TOM'S Turbo Corolla or Honda Civic SiR?

[scarab]

hmmmm since there's a toyota vs. honda thread here, ayos lang siguro toh.

so ***'s ur choice?

though we all know honda's goin to introduce the new civic later this year and corolla's comin' up with the TOM'S stage 2 turbo. pero ano trip niyo as of now?

[Ira]

I like Tom's better, although I wish they sell it in different colors instead of just green. It's less "everywhere" and performs better than an SiR.

[DAILO]

I used to be from the old school... racing was my past time when i was in high school and i always prefered a turbocharged engine over any naturally aspirated engine... i dont know too much about the specifications about the TOMS Corolla nor the Honda SIR... but how much has racing dynamics evolved other then being more dependent on computers?

Out of preference I prefer the Toyota... I have always been satisfied with Toyota given that my dyno-tested 500hp rear wheel drive HKS balanced and blueprinted 22RE iron block with its knife-edged crankshaft, port n' polished head and intake, extrude-honed trottle body, TRW pistons and rods, titanium 5-angle valves and springs, bosch racing fuel pump, 550cc injectors, retarded timing and 2mm steel head gasket with custom fabricated intercooled spooling Turbonetics T3/T4 hybrid have always been able to outrun any Honda in my high school/college days. All they saw and heard was my 2 1/2-inch mandral bent exhaust system and swuuuuup and buuuwww of my HKS blow-off valve... I also had all the computers too.. HKS FCON, VBC, SBC, AIC etc.. my Toyota 22RE was also able to handle another 150hp if needed with my blue bottle :D

That was my lifestyle then... now I prefer the comfort of my strong, sleek, and stylish MB E430.

[scarab]

dailo,

i have a good feeling ur not from here with the way your ride goes. i myself is an old skool fanatic. love those mangoes with their weber equipped fully balanced stroked engines.

to enlighten you (as if your previous ride would give a sh*t).
the toms corolla is your basic 4AFE engine slapped with a stage 1 turbo and the SiR is your basic B16A vtec engine. and yes, would be quite pathetic compared to your 22RE.

[onehitboy]

Originally posted by DAILO:
Out of preference I prefer the Toyota... I have always been satisfied with Toyota given that my dyno-tested 500hp rear wheel drive HKS balanced and blueprinted 22RE iron block with its knife-edged crankshaft, port n' polished head and intake, extrude-honed trottle body, TRW pistons and rods, titanium 5-angle valves and springs, bosch racing fuel pump, 550cc injectors, retarded timing and 2mm steel head gasket with custom fabricated intercooled spooling Turbonetics T3/T4 hybrid have always been able to outrun any Honda in my high school/college days. All they saw and heard was my 2 1/2-inch mandral bent exhaust system and swuuuuup and buuuwww of my HKS blow-off valve... I also had all the computers too.. HKS FCON, VBC, SBC, AIC etc.. my Toyota 22RE was also able to handle another 150hp if needed with my blue bottle :D


dailo,

are you for real? 500hp from a 100hp engine? sounds like you've copied pages 1-17 off of the hks catalogue. how about a dynosheet, eh?

[onehitboy]

Originally posted by DAILO:
Out of preference I prefer the Toyota... I have always been satisfied with Toyota given that my dyno-tested 500hp rear wheel drive HKS balanced and blueprinted 22RE iron block with its knife-edged crankshaft, port n' polished head and intake, extrude-honed trottle body, TRW pistons and rods, titanium 5-angle valves and springs, bosch racing fuel pump, 550cc injectors, retarded timing and 2mm steel head gasket with custom fabricated intercooled spooling Turbonetics T3/T4 hybrid have always been able to outrun any Honda in my high school/college days. All they saw and heard was my 2 1/2-inch mandral bent exhaust system and swuuuuup and buuuwww of my HKS blow-off valve... I also had all the computers too.. HKS FCON, VBC, SBC, AIC etc.. my Toyota 22RE was also able to handle another 150hp if needed with my blue bottle :D


dailo,

are you for real? 500hp from a 100hp engine? sounds like you've copied pages 1-17 off of the hks catalogue. how about a dynosheet, eh?

[scarab]

good observation onehitboy. in one magazine, a BMW M3 with almost the same mods was only able to juice out 410hp (dynoed).

[scarab]

Originally posted by Ira:
I like Tom's better, although I wish they sell it in different colors instead of just green. It's less "everywhere" and performs better than an SiR.

i believe it also comes in power blue.

[DAILO]

Originally posted by scarab:
dailo,

i have a good feeling ur not from here with the way your ride goes. i myself is an old skool fanatic. love those mangoes with their weber equipped fully balanced stroked engines.

to enlighten you (as if your previous ride would give a sh*t).
the toms corolla is your basic 4AFE engine slapped with a stage 1 turbo and the SiR is your basic B16A vtec engine. and yes, would be quite pathetic compared to your 22RE.

I had the opportunity to be raised in the States where racing really grew on the streets... that was and probably is still the lifestyle...

before I decided to stage up my Toyota I ran dual Mukuni 44s carbs with the "blue bottle"... I couldnt keep it tuned... bog here.. backfire there... then finally i blew it... couldnt get a balanced mixture... and with the need for speed I decided to do it right with a new engine and throw my EFI back on and stage up with forced induction rather than the naturally aspiration.

Is the 4AFE any similar to the 4AGZ? I used to run for a while a supercharged rear wheel drive Toyota Corolla fully modified. If it is then thats a good engine to work with...

The B16A is the standard engine in the Integra right? Thats also a good engine too when modified.

I still prefer Toyota! It never let me down...

[DAILO]

Originally posted by onehitboy:
dailo,

are you for real? 500hp from a 100hp engine? sounds like you've copied pages 1-17 off of the hks catalogue. how about a dynosheet, eh?



As real as my mid 12-sec timeslip from LACR... couldve hit low 12s or high 11s but i still wanted a daily driver not some stripped down rocket. I guess i forgot to mention... after i blew my 1st 22RE my friends in Torrance considered my new stock 125hp GTS for the HKS prototype which probably explains why all my modifications, electronics, gauges, and the such were HKS. You think i can afford all of that without a sponsor?

What do you drive ?

[DAILO]

Originally posted by scarab:
good observation onehitboy. in one magazine, a BMW M3 with almost the same mods was only able to juice out 410hp (dynoed).

You'll be suprised with all the modifications, custom fabrications, and testing that I did to my GTS. It is far more costly to modify a BMW... give me a M3 and I'll get it to hit 500hp.

Btw... my GTS was dyno tested at 500hp but at the wheels much less... i had a problem getting the wheels to stick to the ground... i was always breaking loose with my 16 x 7 SSRs wrapped with Yokoyama A008s... but like i said... i wanted a daily driver... so consider it stealth... if i was published in a magazine i would underrate my performance so i can take all the money of those punks at the tracks over at marie in LB, areinth in WestCo in my time and the new school kids at imperial and ontario. Now you know why i never wanted my car published in a mag... why be mayabang?

Sandbag here and there... up the ante and go home with the cash and bragging rights!

That was fun... My Toyota has since then retired and im now content with my E430 which is smoking fast stock! :D :D :D

Scarab and onehitboy where you guys from PI or States? You dont know me... so dont bother...

[scarab]

Originally posted by DAILO
Originally posted by scarab:
dailo,

i have a good feeling ur not from here with the way your ride goes. i myself is an old skool fanatic. love those mangoes with their weber equipped fully balanced stroked engines.

to enlighten you (as if your previous ride would give a sh*t).
the toms corolla is your basic 4AFE engine slapped with a stage 1 turbo and the SiR is your basic B16A vtec engine. and yes, would be quite pathetic compared to your 22RE.

I had the opportunity to be raised in the States where racing really grew on the streets... that was and probably is still the lifestyle...

before I decided to stage up my Toyota I ran dual Mukuni 44s carbs with the "blue bottle"... I couldnt keep it tuned... bog here.. backfire there... then finally i blew it... couldnt get a balanced mixture... and with the need for speed I decided to do it right with a new engine and throw my EFI back on and stage up with forced induction rather than the naturally aspiration.

Is the 4AFE any similar to the 4AGZ? I used to run for a while a supercharged rear wheel drive Toyota Corolla fully modified. If it is then thats a good engine to work with...

The B16A is the standard engine in the Integra right? Thats also a good engine too when modified.

I still prefer Toyota! It never let me down...


i guess you're referring to the 4AGZE which is a supercharged 4AGE. this is totally different from the 4AFE.
the "G" designation in the 4AGE is first thought to mean having two camshaft well in fact that both of these engines are already DOHC. the difference, 4AGE uses two timing belt sprockets to drive the cams while 4AFE uses only one sprocket to drive one cam and a gear inside to drive the other. in actuallity the "G" designation means performance while the "F" means economy.

i believe the integra uses the B18A.

regarding your 22RE, if its 500hp then so be it. besides its kinda off topic. and like you, i still prefer toyota (in general, not geared towards the TOMS turbo corolla available here in the market).

peace.

[onehitboy]

Originally posted by DAILO

Now you know why i never wanted my car published in a mag... why be mayabang?

That was fun... My Toyota has since then retired and im now content with my E430 which is smoking fast stock! :D :D :D



just a little suspect, that’s all. oh I’m sure that the 22RE is a tough little engine. Ben Benavides just recently brought his factory SR20DE up to 513 with an FMAX turbo, and as it is, he is well known in the racing scene. so it stands within reason that a 4 pot daily driver is indeed capable of that much power.

without timeslips or a dyno sheet though, it’s all smoke.

gotta love the internet. anonymity and bs at its best

[DAILO]

Its all good guys! Race on!

[:Þ]

Huh? 500hp from a Corolla??? Did you had an engine swap from a Supra??? What the hell......?? :confused:

I have a 3rd gen 92 Camry V6 dynoed @ ~310hp FWD (almost the same as heavily modded RX7's and stock supras)
and hey, that's AFTER literally TONS of work that I've done with it (TRD s/c, intake, exhaust, etc) PLUS 50shot of NOS. So with pure motor + mods w/o NOS, I can say it only gives out only about 250hp on the front wheels. It barely runs low 12's and one time my friend recorded an amazing HIGH 11 in Fairplex in Pomona raceway, but that was it. It constantly runs mid 13's - not bad for a Camry.

What mods you got? And BTW.. I've never heard of an RWD Corolla. :confused: Are you running a hybrid? How many shot of NOS?

MAN, 500hp are for 18-wheeler trucks!!!!

[:Þ]

84 Corolla vs. Viper (http://www.speedmagazine.com/stories/entries/11349.shtml)


:lol:


Corolla vs. acura NSX (http://www.speedmagazine.com/stories/entries/13966.shtml)


:lol:

[DAILO]

Originally posted by :Þ
Huh? 500hp from a Corolla??? Did you had an engine swap from a Supra??? What the hell......?? :confused:

I have a 3rd gen 92 Camry V6 dynoed @ ~310hp FWD (almost the same as heavily modded RX7's and stock supras)
and hey, that's AFTER literally TONS of work that I've done with it (TRD s/c, intake, exhaust, etc) PLUS 50shot of NOS. So with pure motor + mods w/o NOS, I can say it only gives out only about 250hp on the front wheels. It barely runs low 12's and one time my friend recorded an amazing HIGH 11 in Fairplex in Pomona raceway, but that was it. It constantly runs mid 13's - not bad for a Camry.

What mods you got? And BTW.. I've never heard of an RWD Corolla. :confused: Are you running a hybrid? How many shot of NOS?

MAN, 500hp are for 18-wheeler trucks!!!!

You sound like you have a nice camary, but I never said a 500hp Corolla... I had a RWD Celica.. If you know anything about Toyota Engines a 22RE was the stock engine in what i remember as the 81-85 Celica GTS and later Trucks and early 4Runners. I basically had the engine of 88 truck (i think the only year Toyota came out with a 22RTE .. T for Turbo)modified by HKS and other associates... there is a difference between your bolt-on upgrades and MY upgrades... i had ALL bolt-on, internal, and electronic upgrades. Let me repost:

Out of preference I prefer the Toyota... I have always been satisfied with Toyota given that my dyno-tested 500hp rear wheel drive HKS balanced and blueprinted 22RE iron block with its knife-edged crankshaft, port n' polished head and intake, extrude-honed trottle body, oversized TRW pistons and rods, titanium 5-angle valves and springs, bosch racing fuel pump, 550cc injectors, retarded timing and 2mm steel head gasket with custom fabricated intercooled spooling Turbonetics T3/T4 hybrid have always been able to outrun any Honda in my high school/college days. All they saw and heard was my 2 1/2-inch mandral bent exhaust system and swuuuuup and buuuwww of my HKS blow-off valve... I also had all the computers too.. HKS FCON, VBC, SBC, AIC etc.. my Toyota 22RE was also able to handle another 150hp if needed with my blue bottle

Given if I time it in a lower elevation track like Pomona or better Carlsbad it would easily hit 11's.

FYI... there is a RWD Corolla... i think its the 82-86.. that was the model used in racing given its twin cam 4AGE motor... it was later used in the mid engine MR2 with a supercharger 4AGZE in the 88 model. I used to have one.... i love Toyota engines.

[:Þ]

Uh wait. Okay, my bad! :D I never noticed that you have a GTS since the thread is all about comparing an SiR to a Corolla. I somewhat got confused in the middle..

I remember what you're talking about - it's the 4A-GE (Type: Levin?) Corollas way back from 80's? Those are 1576cc 16V and I can't even remember how they looked like. (like a Pinto maybe?) :D

Anyways, 500hp from a Celica? Y'know, the stock 2000 Celica GT-S has 1.8 liter DOHC 16v and about 180 horses STOCK.
(just saw it in MotorTrend Site) Even if you have one of those 4Runner/Tacoma/Tundra/T100 engines, I still seriously doubt it could go 500hp. The BMW M5 can pull 400hp@6600
so does it mean your Celica could smoke an M5??? :eek:

Anyways, I'll believe you when you post the dyno sheet and some timeslips here :D

P...Peace! :)

[scarab]

hmmmm...lumayo na talaga sa topic ha. masisindak yung mga TOMS and SiR owners nito eh. :D

[onehitboy]

Originally posted by :Þ
I remember what you're talking about - it's the 4A-GE (Type: Levin?) Corollas way back from 80's? Those are 1576cc 16V and I can't even remember how they looked like. (like a Pinto maybe?)


that's right. in the early 80's (83 i think?), toyota produced a rear wheel longitudal drive vehicle (4AGE) in different forms: ae86 corolla, sprinter trueno, corolla levin and the aa63 celica.

they started out with 1500 SOHC carbs.

pretty cool cars back then, when you think about it.

none of this direct injection, throttle by wire nonsense we have today.

:)

[scarab]

Originally posted by onehitboy
Originally posted by :Þ
I remember what you're talking about - it's the 4A-GE (Type: Levin?) Corollas way back from 80's? Those are 1576cc 16V and I can't even remember how they looked like. (like a Pinto maybe?)


that's right. in the early 80's (83 i think?), toyota produced a rear wheel longitudal drive vehicle (4AGE) in different forms: ae86 corolla, sprinter trueno, corolla levin and the aa63 celica.

they started out with 1500 SOHC carbs.

pretty cool cars back then, when you think about it.

none of this direct injection, throttle by wire nonsense we have today.

:)

sinabi mo onehit! smoking rear wheels, growling carbs, strokers, big bores, mangoes, 2TG, 18RG, saturns, ortigas...those were the days.

[Uncle Johnny]

SiR of course....maka-honda ako e...and besides...that's the reason why there are lots of honda SiR's in the street because its good...

for me, the body of the old corolla is better than the new one...the new one is "boxy" and it looks like "pangmatanda"