netopia wants govt to censor local ISPs

[sadirmata]

ano ba naman ito? ano, nasa singapore, china o middle east ba tayo kung saan sine-censor ng gobyerno nila ang internet at pinaparusahan ang maraming internet users?

masama ito. sana huwag pansinin ng gobyerno natin ang kagustuhang ito ng netopia. later, hindi na lang porn ang idadahilan para i-censor na ang lahat ng mga bagay na gustong pigilan at ipagbawal.

Cybercafe chain urges creation of Internet censorship body (http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=7&story_id=55091)

[gokou]

Pornographic or not, ISPs don't have the right to filter the content and information that their users are paying to access. These are things that people are using for their own personal purposes and there's no need for a governing body to decide what can or cannot be viewed by an Internet user.

Not to mention that this is a highly ambitious crusade they are trying to undertake. There are milions of users and sites containing mature content. That's more smut than they can wag a finger at.

[topnotch97]

censor sites?!?! ba't saan ba nag-ooriginate ang mga contents ng mg porn sites na yan? di ba dito sa Pinas? hindi naman sa ibang bansa ah.

linisin muna ang bakuran sa pinas bago tayo maglinis sa ibang bakuran.

[st.anger]

what? THEY WANT TO STOP PORN?!? NOOOO!!!!

[babygurl_archer]

^^ bakit avid fan ka noh? hehe :D *peace*

[ginoledesma]

Pornographic or not, ISPs don't have the right to filter the content and information that their users are paying to access. These are things that people are using for their own personal purposes and there's no need for a governing body to decide what can or cannot be viewed by an Internet user.

Not to mention that this is a highly ambitious crusade they are trying to undertake. There are milions of users and sites containing mature content. That's more smut than they can wag a finger at.

Actually, ISPs can do but only if it is outlined in their Service Agreement or Acceptable Use Policy. That is the agreement entered between you and the ISP.

However, having the government do the filtering is both a waste of time and taxpayer's money. There are far more pressing concerns that need to be addressed.

[MsEerie]

This country is going backwards!

[speeka]

weh ang KJ. bago yung internet ang atupagin ng gobyerno ubusin muna nila yung mga nagtitinda ng porn dvds/vcds sa bangketa. kung yun nga lang hindi maawat, sa internet pa kaya.

[Dunedain]

Great! Maybe they can also brainwash people while they're at it. :rotflmao:

"Give us everything you own, including your lives, and we'll have a "perfectly" controlled society... ...just like the communists and the Talibans".

:lol:

[pro_tempore]

ano yan, nagpapasikat sa moralists?

baka balak tumakbo for office ng may-ari ng netopia.

they can censor all they want, but if we're going to talk nationwide censorship, excuse me. we're not china.

[joeblack1231]

If they want to censor the content that goes into their netcafes that's fine. Frankly I wouldn't want to be surfing for porn in a public place anyway. But what "indecent material" people check out in their own homes in none of Mr.Ricafort's ƒucking business.

That other poster was right. We have more pressing issues that combating "indecency".

[gokou]

Actually, ISPs can do but only if it is outlined in their Service Agreement or Acceptable Use Policy. That is the agreement entered between you and the ISP.

However, having the government do the filtering is both a waste of time and taxpayer's money. There are far more pressing concerns that need to be addressed.

I stand corrected. I wonder why Netopia would risk alienating Internet users when those are the people who frequent their cafes?

I want to echo everyone else's sentiment that the censorship of pornography is the least of our troubles right now. There are better things to exert effort on.

[TheWookie]

Malamang publicity stunt lang yan ng Netopia para dumami customers nila. :lol:

On a serious note, wala kasing Civil Liberties Union dito sa Pilipinas to prevent people from imposing their own beliefs on the rest of the population.

Isipin mo, biglang pumasok yung idea na yan sa utak ni Ricafort habang nag-se-sex sila ng asawa niya, tapos bigla na lang niyang gusto i-impose sa buong Pilipinas yung idea na pumasok sa kukote niya. Don't you hate people who insist on imposing their beliefs on other people?

[topnotch97]

Malamang publicity stunt lang yan ng Netopia para dumami customers nila. :lol:

nah. actually making a statement like these surely making "customer" upset. lalo na kung di na nila puwedeng gawin sa cafe ang mga usual surfing habits nila, wala ng p(.)rn! :lol:

it's like pushing away your customers (who are perverted). :lol:

siyempre di mo magawa sa bahay dahil may naka-tinggin sa likod mo. o kaya dial-up lang. gaya ng: "bagal mag-load ng pix ni Maui Taylor! bagal! maka-netopia nga! mabilis access duon!" *peace* :rotflmao:

[sadirmata]

saka hindi madaling i-filter ang p0rn. milyon-milyon ang sites na p0rn at halos minu-minuto ay may bagong sumusulpot na sites. baka pag pati na mga educational naman o for research na sites ay madadamay na ma-block.

at ano naman kaya ang gusto ng netopia na parusang ipapataw sa mga violators?

[soulassassin547]

Sinubukan noon ito, susubukan pa ngayon? Laging palpak kung gagawin na naman ang net censorship na yan.

Mga pr0n king e daming alam kung paano makalusot at magbomba ng sangkatutak na spam sa email mo't browser.

[Agapito]

Alam nating lahat na mahirap ma-censor ang pornography sa internet. Ang masaklap nito, yung idea na yan eh sina-suggest sa mga lawmakers na wala namang alam sa cyberscape technology.

Naalala nyo ba yung Congressman na nagsabing marami daw Pinay na pokpok sa internet based dun sa website na pinuntahan niya: adultfinder.com - eh halos lahat ng babae dun sa site na yun eh FAKE at ninakaw lang yung mga picture.

[p3rsmag]

This Mr. ricaforte (Netopia owner) is setting his goal to be the number one internet "guru" here in the Phils. He made a group of ISP/Internet cafe owners.. now he wants to dominate and make his presence felt.

I say we BAN NETOPIA! So he would know what its like!

Feeling masyado yang kups na Ricaforte na yan!

[As Seen On TV]

If my ISP started censoring content I'd switch to another provider. People Power-style protest dont work. Let your wallet force idiots like Ricaforte to recant.

[TheWookie]

Subukan nilang i-censor ang pornography sa net, baka gusto nilang maghalo ang balat sa tinalupan! :bop: :lol:

[soulassassin547]

This Mr. ricaforte (Netopia owner) is setting his goal to be the number one internet "guru" here in the Phils. He made a group of ISP/Internet cafe owners.. now he wants to dominate and make his presence felt.

I say we BAN NETOPIA! So he would know what its like!

Feeling masyado yang kups na Ricaforte na yan!
Oo nga naman, imposible ang gagawin para magpa-pogi... He's going to get entangled in a huge morass he wants to combat.

An ISP or the government should not act as the nanny of the masses, and it will be a waste of time and money, and it infringes on the right to the freedom of expression and communication, while trying to look good before the conservatives and the so-called "paragons of moral values".

The truth is, it is the responsibility of the individual who should know how to use his/her freedom as a 'net user.

Ika nga't tama ang sinabi ni Peter Parker sa sarili niya: "With great power comes great responsibility".

[jon_prez]

Guy just wants to reduce his bandwidth usage. :lol:

[MsEerie]

does netopia already censor porn surfing? maybe they want to do so but dont want to offend their customers that's why they want the government to do this then when their customers get angry, they can point their finger to the government as an excuse.

[Romancon]

bat nila i ce-censor eh Art yun diba.

[Agapito]

bat nila i ce-censor eh Art yun diba.
It's actually biology lessons on human reproduction, so I'm not sure what's so indecent about it. Madumi lang siguro talaga ang pag-iisip nitong si Ricarforte.

[Romancon]

^ korak ka dyan! ^_^

[Madgrunty]

Parang ironic. Diba sila yung minsan o makalawang na-raid dahil sa child porn materials. And nung wala pa kong pc diyan ako nagnenet. Bawat PC na ginagamit ko puro kabastusan laman. Actually hinanahanap ko sa history. Hehe
Sana umpisa muna sila sa bakuran nila.

[ezra is better]

smells like someone wants to run for congress as a partylist rep tsk tsk...

[ka_enteng]

This Mr. ricaforte (Netopia owner) is setting his goal to be the number one internet "guru" here in the Phils.

no he's not, he's an idiot. hindi nya alam ang kanyang pinagsasabi. sobrang pasipsip lang sya at papansin :lol:

[Kukuru]

Nakakainis yung ibang tao na yung method nila ng pagdi-disiplina sa loob ng bahay nila gusto nila lahat ng tao sa Pilipinas eh ganun din ang gawin.

Ang point ko dito, yung tingin nila eh malaswa, dapat ang tingin mo rin eh malaswa. Siya ayaw niyang manood ng porn sa internet, gusto niya lahat ng tao sa Pilipinas eh wag ding manood ng porn sa internet. Bangag ba siya? Tinuturing ba niyang manyak lahat ng tao sa Pilipinas?

Inis na talaga ako. Maapektuhan ako nito pag nagkataon. :lol:

[digitalrock]

i sent (thru email) this thread to Mr Ricafort, and here's his reply:

Just for your information and you may forward this to the people on the thread, let me give you the complete facts:



· Congress, despite all protest from any group, shall enact an Internet censorship policy. We either participate in the process or accept the current form of the various bills pending in Congress. I assure you that if people like you are concerned, you should contact the offices of Senator Villar and Senator Revilla. The pending proposals are quite restrictive and if these were posted on the Internet, I assure you the threads would more emotional and probably a lot more numerous.

· Netopia’s position is not for strict and conservative censorship, it is for liberal and selected censorship especially recognizing that some amount of censor ship is required by a large number of society, but more importantly that there is real danger to minors who are lured to child pornography.

· Sadly, Congress will try to “kill a mosquito with a cannon” and we are trying to moderate their opinions but providing them a moderate view.

· Netopia and myself have been ask for our opinion on how we can best do this and our key recommendations are:

1. Absolute regulation is impossible and unreasonable;

2. However, like old media, New Media (the Internet) can be regulated especially for those who provide public service at public establishments. Our proposal is above but simply put we have suggested that rather than ban what is bad content at Internet Cafés, regulate age limits, etc. In addition, we suggested that site that solicit local minors to sell naked or nude pictures should be regulated with the help of ISPs. I am sure that none of the people in the thread have thought of child pornography as the key focus of the Congressional bills. A copy of our proposal is attached.

3. Focus censorship on the underage groups rather than on content itself – public providers can be regulated but private homes will have to be self-regulated.

4. As a responsible player in the industry, we will have to make suggestions and our studies have yielded the suggestions we have formally put forward.

· The people on the thread seem very enthusiastic about lambasting me given what was highlighted by the newspaper article. However, I wonder how many of them are willing to responsibly attend these Congressional hearings and make their opinion formal and in writing. Are they concerned enough to speak-up, be seen and recognized and more importantly to put forward a compromise between what Congress wants and what consumers believe is their right to free speech and information???

· Sadly, like in most cases in the Philippines, many want their opinion heard but very few want to put the proper effort into the matter. I challenge people in the thread to read our proposal in its entirety, compare it with what the various bills in Congress propose and fight for their civil liberties they so much want to keep through the proper process.

· These threads can lambaste me all they want but the Congressional Bills will continue to move forward into laws. These laws just might be very restrictive unless all of those concerned voice out their opinions.

· Unfortunately, these threads do not stop the possibility of very restrictive law for the Internet in the Philippines. A China-like situation may not be far fetched if we let the conservatives push their agenda with civil libertarians pushing their own rights at these Congressional hearings.

· If the people on the thread really want their voice to be heard, I suggest that they organize, write a position paper and lobby with all their political voices.

· Note that the numbers game is always what the politicians look at. If the numbers prove that civil liberties are more important than moral concerns, then we will have a more liberal law. However, if the moralists are louder then we shall have a more conservative law.

· Which one would you want to see??? And more importantly, how many of these opinionated thread participants are really willing to spend time and effort to protect their civil liberties???



I have stated our position clearly and we hope that Congress shall listen to our views but more importantly we hope that each person shall do the same, not in the spirit of trying to prove who is smarter, but in the interest of the greater good.



Raymond H. Ricafort

President
Digital Paradise, Inc.
Owner, Operator & Franchisor of Netopia Internet Cafes

[sadirmata]

si bong revilla ang isang gumagawa ng internet censorship policy ng gobyerno????? ano???? suskopo naman! pati si villar! ano bang alam ng mga taong ito? ba't tila walang public hearing o consultation? sa loob lang ba ng congress nagaganap ang mga ito? ba't walang nababalita sa media tungkol sa mga panukalang ito? :rolleyes:

[sadirmata]

isa pa, kapag ipinataw na talaga yang internet censorship sa pilipinas, maniniwala na akong may martial law na nga at dapat lang na ibagsak na ang gobyernong ito o any government na magpapataw ng internet censorship sa bansa.

[sadirmata]

ganito siguro ang ibig mangyari nina villar at revilla?

China cracks down on sex and violence on websites (http://news.inq7.net/infotech/index.php?index=1&story_id=55886)

[p3rsmag]

Imagine a bill by Bong Revilla with special participation of Mr. Ricaforte? How could you go wrong with that combo?

Now that is in the line of G. Washington et al when he wrote the constitution!

So please.. wala ng ko-kontra dun sa dalawa!

PS; Mr. Ricaforte, pengneng free pass! promise i won't surf porn!

[sadirmata]

sino kaya ang IT consultant ni revilla? di ba dapat nakikipagtulongan ang CICT at DOST at iba nga GOs at NGOs na concernde sa usaping ito?

[sadirmata]

o baka ito ang gustong isensor: www.blacknwhite.com na website daw ng black and white movement na grupo ng mga gustong magpatalsik sa rehimeng arroyo.



errr... mali daw pala, mali, (http://news.inq7.net/infotech/index.php?index=1&story_id=56025) hehehe. (honest mistake daw? imposible naman. hindi ba tsinek muna kung yan ang ang website nila o hindi?)

[Agapito]

Kung meron mang mag-o-oppose sa plan ng internet regulation, ito ay ang mga Internet Service Providers (ISP) tulad ng PLDT, Tri-Isys, Globe, etc. Yun nga lang pag-ta-track ng mga SIM cards eh ino-oppose nitong mga telecom firms, internet regulation pa kaya?

I think it is too early to react whether this is going to be a law or not. Hindi pa pina-publish yung details nung Bill. Saka wala pang response yung PLDT at yung iba pang mga ISP kung ano ang opinion nila. Itong opinion pa lang ng kumag na si Ricaforte ang nabasa natin.

[booksale]

ganito siguro ang ibig mangyari nina villar at revilla?

China cracks down on sex and violence on websites (http://news.inq7.net/infotech/index.php?index=1&story_id=55886)

Here's what will happen if Villar and Revilla follow China's model. this from Rebecca McKinnon.

http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2005/09/china_fear_of_s.html

[booksale]

http://news.inq7.net/infotech/index.php?index=1&story_id=55886

here's the crucial part from that PDI article re china na pwedeng mangyari rin sa Pinas:

Although the campaigns mainly target sites that contain sex and violence, those with sensitive religious and political content are also often banned.

The Chinese government announced revised Internet rules in September that require Internet operators to re-register their news sites and police them for content that can "endanger state security" and "social order."

Any content that "harms national security, reveals state secrets, subverts political power, (and) undermines national unity" is also banned.

The regulations further prohibit posts that "instigate illegal gatherings, formation of associations, marches, demonstrations or disturb social order."

With this new Revilla-Villar law, Arroyo can also now apply CPR on the Internet?

[cryb4by]

Even if they do pass it, do Revilla and Villar think that the law is enforcible? But, what they should pursue is not censorship but responsible usage of the internet. If they're concerned with the minors visiting adult content then the parents should certainly look for those net nanny types. Besides censorship is never a good idea. :)

[jisc]

i think what mr ricaforte saying is right, just ban this porn on public places rather than banning it all over the philippines, its just as simple as sex, you can have sex on your own backyard but not on public places.

let the internet cafes implement their own cencorship, walang gastos ang gobyerno don, although they will lose pervert users, which i think is fine with them, but when they implement it too stricly, they will lose more costumer.

i'm against child pornography also, yung ibang site kasi sobra na eh.
wala pang balahibo eh kumakain na ng "ahas" eh :D

what i dont like is when they censor political matters. like banning communist sites or anti-government movement. magiging parang marshal law na ito.

[sadirmata]

kapag gobyerno ang humawak o nagtalaga ng censorship na yan, malamang na prone to abuse at baka i-censor hindi na lang p0rn kundi lahat na ng makursunadahan nila. magiging parang china o singapore na tayo dito.

[TheWookie]

i think what mr ricaforte saying is right, just ban this porn on public places rather than banning it all over the philippines, its just as simple as sex, you can have sex on your own backyard but not on public places.

Actually, bawal naman talaga ang porn sa public places eh. So we need to learn exactly kung ano ang coverage nitong bill na ito.


let the internet cafes implement their own cencorship, walang gastos ang gobyerno don, although they will lose pervert users, which i think is fine with them, but when they implement it too stricly, they will lose more costumer.

Yan ang medyo mahirap gawin. Kung ikaw ang may-ari ng internet cafe, pano mo ma-i-implement na wag i-access yung mga porn sites? Mahirap naman yung paikot-ikot ka buong araw sa loob nung cafe para lang i-monitor yung screens nila. Ok siguro kung maliit na cafe lang at meron ka lang apat na computer. Saka, pwede namang i-ALT-Tab yung screen para itago yung pinapanood.

Maraming technical at logistics issues itong "censorship" na ito. Madaling sabihin, pero mahirap gawin.

[jisc]

Actually, bawal naman talaga ang porn sa public places eh. So we need to learn exactly kung ano ang coverage nitong bill na ito.


Yan ang medyo mahirap gawin. Kung ikaw ang may-ari ng internet cafe, pano mo ma-i-implement na wag i-access yung mga porn sites? Mahirap naman yung paikot-ikot ka buong araw sa loob nung cafe para lang i-monitor yung screens nila. Ok siguro kung maliit na cafe lang at meron ka lang apat na computer. Saka, pwede namang i-ALT-Tab yung screen para itago yung pinapanood.

Maraming technical at logistics issues itong "censorship" na ito. Madaling sabihin, pero mahirap gawin.

You can implement it using your proxy to block porn sites, you can even download a list of porn sites to block, and there is also the option in IE in Internet Option->Security Tabs->Restricted Sites Icon, here you can specify the porn domains. and this can be easily set by the server or user settings, there are even programs that has will automatically edit the restricted site list for you, and will update it automatically.

Other companies (like mine) have been doing it, they were able to block porn sites, mp3 downloads, public emails, etc. it they can do it, why cant the internet cafes?

[sadirmata]

pero there are millions of porn sites. at dumadami pa. di lang naman mga sites. pati nga groups maraming porn. sa emails may attachments ng porn. maraming paraan.