"The Bible Code" by Michael Drosnin

[neth_row]

i know mejo luma na tong book na to, pero i just read it a few days ago, and it's sooooo creepy!!....at first i was reluctant to read it, coz akala ko this certain "Bible code" was just coincidental....pero after reading it, talagang u'll believe that there is a Bible code, and that God really has a plan for us....so, get your copy na!! (hehehe dapat bayaran ako ni Michael Drosnin for advertising :p)

[Ira]

My sister has a copy of that book, but being agnostic myself, I never got interested enough to even read the back of the book. Is it fiction or nonfiction? Does it have a religious bent?

[uptowngirl]

its creepy alright! i want to have a copy of the software they used for the Bible code! baka nandun ako, hehehe! :D

actually, because of that book, na-appreciate ko yung Bible and it must really be holding the whole history of mankind past, present and future...

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[KeyserSoze]

I read it two years ago....Let's wait for the End of Days....coming this 2004 or 2012 or ewan...
I liked it.

[brownpau]

I read a webpage which said similar codes were found by independent researchers in Herman Melville's "Moby ****," and in a bunch of other books.

Christian scholars say we should accept the Bible not for a secret code embedded in its text, but for what it explicitly says about Jesus and salvation.

[BODACIOUS]

On a personal note I'd say that I believe that GOD exists or that there's a Superior Being much greater than us.

I wouldn't know if you or people would agree with me so I would just like to quote what
the author wrote in his book:

The code may be neither "right" or wrong". It probably tells us what might happen, not what will happen. But since we cannot let our world be destroyed, we cannot simply wait - we must assume that the warning in the Bible code is real.

[ebtg]

A lame attempt at trying to keep this post on topic: The Bible Code, I think, is something which we can use to test the gullibility of the population.

Now:

Moby D*ck. See the post above by brownpau. I really don't think we should automatically replace some words with asterisks. The only reason a word becomes offensive, in my opinion, is if it is used in a context that's offensive.

[brownpau]

From now on I will refer to Melville's classic as "Moby Richard."

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[green grin]

testing...

charles dickens

[BODACIOUS]

ebtg: I am hurt because of what you said in your post that "A lame attempt at trying to keep this post on topic: The Bible Code...." http://www.pinoyexchange.com/crying.gif

Shouldn't you even be glad that I am giving credit where credit is due and giving neth_row the spotlight considering that she was the topic starter and

Wouldn't you think that I am doing a great favor for Administrators and Moderators by reviving topics which decongest a forum which already is repetitive and are of similar nature.

I see your'e relatively new here, just an advice LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP!!!!

[neth_row]

makikisinget lang......neth_row is a HE.....

[ebtg]

BODACIOUS:

Where did THAT come from? When I was talking about a lame attempt, I was talking about what I was going to say after the colon in my very first sentence in the original post. I wanted more to talk about the problem of censoring certain words than The Bible Code and to prevent others from accusing me to be OFF-topic, I wrote what I wrote.

I never said "A lame attempt at trying to keep this thread active:" and even if I did do that, it still wouldn't be in reference to you or to your very GRACIOUS and COMMENDABLE effort to revive a dying topic.

Please, don't judge my character because I am new here at PEx. I have been participating in various bulletin boards since 1995, whether in the Internet or in local BBS networks, including Fidonet. I'd like to think that I've got more experience than most people here.

Now, I'm sorry if you had mis-read or misinterpreted my message but if you had read closer, you would've noticed that the post was in NO WAY an attack against you.

It seems that you should also LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP. (I reserve the mutliple exclamation points.) http://www.pinoyexchange.com/smokin.gif

[green grin]

we should all read the posts carefully before reacting to it. it's easy to misunderstand others; maybe we should always give each other the benefit of the doubt.

now....

"my friend **** de los reyes read the bible code and he found it interesting reading."

[ebtg]

I don't know if that **** was intentional, green grin. But I laughed when I saw it. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/smokin.gif

Grabe, is it with my nick? People seem to misinterpret me more than the others. Just check out the On Campus forum, with the topic UP Diliman - mapanganib na campus (or something to that effect). blue babe completely misread what I wrote.

Anyway, going back to The Bible Code...c'mon. Anyone who wants to find SOMETHING will find it. Everyone can put meanings into numbers and to pass it off as the eternal truth is, to me, unacceptable.

[blue babe]

i agree with green grin. i also think that in addition to reading carefully the posts of others, we should re-read our own posts carefully. we have to remember that our thoughts are put down in words, with no facial expressions or body language to accompany them. we have to make do with graemlins here online. how its written, (syntax, words used, arrangement of sentences) and the context of what was posted (the surrounding posts, the nature of the topic) contributes a lot to how people will react to our posts. i think that's the function of the edit button.

ebtg: okay. sabi mo eh...

as for the bible code...

gg: do you remember CQ giving us a copy of this 2 years back? i recall you taking it... or mali ba pagkakaintindi ko. she seemed so fascinated by it.

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[nadesico]

i read it and it's really scary. i don't know if i'll belive it or not.

uptowngirl: i want to have the copy of the software,too.

[ebtg]

Frankly, blue babe, my dear, you haven't proven otherwise. All you could say after my clarification were one-liners which not only do I find meaningless and useless, but also just a simple space-filler.

No matter. This is a discussion too low for me and if you elect to continue it, you will only be talking to a wall which will not respond.

I'd be glad to discuss other issues with you, though. You strike me as a very smart mother, fit to be riding the waves of the pseudo-new millennium.

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[blue babe]

ebtg, my dear, whatever you say, dah-lin http://www.pinoyexchange.com/lol.gif

whatever points i feel need to be proven, i have expounded enough on. hence, my "one-liners". whatever you may not have caught on to may be "clarified" by a more careful reading of previous posts. if you feel that the things i post are meaningless and useless space fillers, then you are entitled to your opinion, as i am entitled to mine.

with regard to the bible code, my opinion stands, i think, like all pieces of controversial prose, it should be read carefully, and re-read if necessary in order to avoid hasty and ill formed misconceptions

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[green grin]

ebtg & blue babe! now stop fighting over me!

no waitaminute, let me read your posts again.......(read read read)


oh, sorry. i'm....so......embarrassed.

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seriously, girls - both of you sound like really smart dudettes. you've both exchanged less than friendly posts reacting to previously innocent ones. it's really all a misunderstanding :) . getting pissed over an imagined slight isn't worth the wrinkles you're getting.

ebtg - i personally know blue babe and she's really a super nice person. i think her s.o.'s detractors at the u.a.a.p. has made her just a little more defensive here at pex. you probably would be too if you read the nasty remarks made about her hubby. in person, she's funny and she loves to laugh! and.....there's nothing wrong with your nick.

blue babe - i've encountered ebtg's posts at the other fora and i found them rather friendly and humorous, actually. i wouldn't be too surprised if ebtg turned out to be the kind of person we'd enjoy chilling out with.

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now.......

"my friend dickie de los reyes admitted he hadn't read the bible code. when i asked him, 'hey, **** , why haven't you read it yet?' he replied, 'i was going to but i had to go to my doctor first to have my penis checked.'"

[green grin]

A-HA!!!!

[blue babe]

gg: http://www.pinoyexchange.com/lol.gif do i hafta stop fighting? oh di i hafta?? it was just getting good... :D kidding...

[ebtg]

blue babe:

"do i hafta stop fighting?"

So you were FIGHTING with me? Funny, I thought it was just another discussion. I haven't been invovled in an ACTUAL fight/flaming war here at PEx, and I wouldn't want to start with you, really. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/smokin.gif

green grin :D:

Thanks for the, well...mediation? One correction, though: "dudette" isn't the noun that would best describe me. Cross over to the other side of the sexuality spectrum, please. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/smokin.gif

I do think that blue babe is a nice person, judging from her posts (well, if you take away the UAAP forum, that is--but still, her reactions there were probably provoked). Digression: who is her hubby? Well, I think it would be best if she would answer that question, if she would like to.

At any rate, there are no hard feelings on my part.

[Ada]

Can we please go back to the topic, which is "The Bible Code" by Michael Drosnin? All personal messages should be exchanged in the Personals forum. Thanks.

[blue babe]

Originally posted by blue babe:
gg: http://www.pinoyexchange.com/lol.gif do i hafta stop fighting? oh di i hafta?? it was just getting good... :D kidding...

i was kidding

ada:
sorry po ma'am... :D

[CookieNgInaMoRin]

Here's something!

31:28 And hast not suffered me to kiss my sons and my daughters? thou hast now done foolishly in so doing.

If you start at the R in "daughters," and skip over three letters to the O in "thou," and three more to the S in "hast," and so on, the hidden message "Roswell" is revealed! This message has a step value of 4, as shown.
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Skeptical Inquirer : Subscribe Back Issues Comment to the Editor
Home : Skeptical Inquirer magazine : November/December 1997
Hidden Messages and The Bible Code
"Hidden messages" can be found anywhere, provided the seeker is willing and able to harvest the immense field of possibilities. But do they mean anything?
David E. Thomas

See also:
Follow-up: Bible-Code Developments in the March/April 1998 Skeptical Inquirer



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Bible Code: The Book
A new book entitled The Bible Code (Drosnin 1997) came out last June and has occupied the bestseller lists since then. It is written by journalist Michael Drosnin, who claims that the Hebrew Bible contains a very complex code that reveals events that took place thousands of years after the Bible was written. Drosnin contends that some foretold events later happened exactly as predicted.
The book has been reviewed widely and has stimulated pieces in Newsweek and Time. Drosnin has also been making the rounds of the talk-show circuit, including the Oprah Winfrey Show in June. Time said that Warner has reportedly bought the movie rights (Van Biema 1997).

Drosnin's technique is heavily based on that of Eliyahu Rips of Hebrew University in Israel, who published an article entitled "Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis" in the journal Statistical Science (Witztum, Rips, and Rosenburg 1994). Like Rips, Drosnin arranges the 304,805 Hebrew letters of the Bible into a large array. Spaces and punctuation marks are omitted, and words are run together one after another. A computer looks for matches to selected names or words by stepping to every nth letter in the array. One can go forward or backward; and for each value of "step distance," n, there are n different starting letters. Drosnin's match for "Yitzhak Rabin" had a step value n equal to 4,772.

Both Rips and Drosnin work with the original Hebrew characters, which are said to have been given by God to Moses one character at a time, with no spaces or punctuation, just as they appear in "the code." The code is considered to exist only in the Hebrew Bible and not in translations or any other books. The code concept, however, can be easily demonstrated with English characters. Consider the following verse from the King James Version (KJV) of the Book of Genesis:


31:28 And hast not suffered me to kiss my sons and my daughters? thou hast now done foolishly in so doing.
If you start at the R in "daughters," and skip over three letters to the O in "thou," and three more to the S in "hast," and so on, the hidden message "Roswell" is revealed! This message has a step value of 4, as shown in Figure 1.

When Drosnin finds a name or word match for a given step value n, he then rearranges the letters into a huge matrix (which he calls a "crossword puzzle"). The matrix is n letters wide, and inside this puzzle, the letters for the "hidden message" line up together vertically. (Sometimes, a slightly different procedure is used to make the hidden word run diagonally, every other row, and so forth.) The analyst or the computer can then look for more keyword-related "hits" around the given hidden word. Secondary matches can be picked off vertically, horizontally, or diagonally. Drosnin found the word "Dallas" (connected with keywords "President Kennedy") in one of his puzzles by starting at a D, and then picking the next letters by moving one space over to the right and three spaces down several times.

An example of such a matrix for the "Roswell" mention in KJV Genesis appears in Figure 2. The letters of "Roswell" now appear vertically at the center of the puzzle. The actual matrix of unique letters is only four characters wide here (dashed box), but I took the liberty of showing extra letters for context. A companion hidden message -- "UFO" -- is indicated within circle symbols. This "UFO" is itself a hidden message with a step value of 12. Drosnin accepts any such messages, even words running horizontally (i.e., the actual words of the Bible strung together). If either "Roswell" or "UFO" had been found encoded in the Hebrew Bible, Drosnin would not have hesitated to use words from the direct text as a "match" (for example, the words "thou hast now done foolishly.")
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The unusual pairing of "Roswell" and "UFO" is shown in linear form in Figure 3. This match is as stunning as any described in Drosnin's book -- yet none claim that the Bible code would have translated gracefully over to the KJV Genesis.

Drosnin claims mathematical proof that "no human could have encoded the Bible in this way" (Drosnin 1997, 50-51). He says, "I do not know if it is God," but adds that the code proves "we are not alone."
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[neth_row]

ebtg, blue babe.......hnlabo niyo :D

cookie....have you read the book? ganda ng book, if you read it, talagang mapapa-paniwala ka na the code does exist....

[xywiz]

I've read the book...I saw the TV show...but still I'm not convinced that there is such a thing.

Let's take the argument of "codes" in a mathematical sense. Given a "book"...or nay book, what is the probability that a given word exists in that book if you take the

i, n+i, 2n+ i,... [1]

where: i= intial position
n= increment

letter at any given part of the book? I'd say P ~= 1. Why? because the alphabet is finite. For the Latin alphabet, 26 letters. Now you ask, what is the probability that the word "sex" can be found in a 100,000 letter book using the "formula" in [1]? Think about it.

Now, extend that argument by taking another book, say "The Book of Mormons" (for arguments sake), and ask yourself what would be the probability that I can find the word "hell" and "earth" using the same eq [1]? I'd bet P=1. You'll find it!!!

Comments?

[adlaw]

more like coincidence. mathematically, you can investigate any book you want and try to find combinations and i think you can find it somehow.

[blue babe]

neth: http://www.pinoyexchange.com/lol.gif

i read a critique on this though i've never read it myself. the criticism is that if you look hard enough daw, you can find almost anything if you make all the letters into a matrix. something like that.

[MEM]

2 Thessalonians 2
9The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10and with all
unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.