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Ramirez
Sep 3, 2000, 05:53 PM
Amid all these nonsensical ramblings by college and high school kids, is there anyone out there who has studied the finer art of critical thinking?

KeyserSoze
Sep 3, 2000, 07:38 PM
I am a Philo major.
3rd year, ateneo.

Kaso, wag naman sana babaan ang tingin mo sa mga tao dito sa pinoyexchange. Lumalabas kasi na parang ang yabang ng mga philo majors eh at parang tayo lang ang marunong mag-isip eh.

Hindi ganyan ang pagmemeron. Ikinakahon mo sila sa isang konsepto eh. Marami rito ang hindi philo majors ngunit marurunong mag-isip ng malinaw at hindi nakatali sa loob ng yungib.

Moderation is the key to being a superior man, Confucius said. Being boastful is being an inferior man. Don't go into extremes.

Kapayapaan kaibigan.

magmeron ka pa

kesler
Sep 3, 2000, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by KeyserSoze:
I am a Philo major.
3rd year, ateneo.

Kaso, wag naman sana babaan ang tingin mo sa mga tao dito sa pinoyexchange. Lumalabas kasi na parang ang yabang ng mga philo majors eh at parang tayo lang ang marunong mag-isip eh.

Hindi ganyan ang pagmemeron. Ikinakahon mo sila sa isang konsepto eh. Marami rito ang hindi philo majors ngunit marurunong mag-isip ng malinaw at hindi nakatali sa loob ng yungib.

Moderation is the key to being a superior man, Confucius said. Being boastful is being an inferior man. Don't go into extremes.

Kapayapaan kaibigan.

magmeron ka pa

Bravo...well said! I am a Philosophy Major 3rd year DLSU

Theophilo
Sep 4, 2000, 09:08 AM
I'm not a philo major, but I thoroughly enjoyed my classes under Dr. Angeles and Fr. David in ADMU.

uptowngirl
Sep 4, 2000, 09:13 AM
[off-topic]

Galing ng brother ko! :)

[on topic]

Just want to ask you guys your plans after graduation? Law?

KeyserSoze
Sep 4, 2000, 08:45 PM
Oo law.
It's a choice of earth heaven or hell
Earth-teaching
Heaven-Priesthood
Hell-Law

Im going to hell!

l'ange
Sep 4, 2000, 08:48 PM
Philo major din ako--dati. AB Philo 2000. I'm now in law school. :)

Rejoiner to KeyserSoze, for everyone's consumption:

Sa kabilang banda, mayroon din manamang mga ibang mag-aaral na mababa ang tingin sa mga Pilong katulad ko. Tulad na lang nang unang taon ko sa A/S (now, they call it loyola schools). Nang tanungin ako ng isang kaibigan kung ano ang kurso ko at nang nasabi ko na Philo major ako, nagulat na lang ako ng sinabi niya pabalik sa akin, "Ano philo major ka lang?"

Hmmmmm.... Ok lang. Forgive and forget.

Pero, sana maiwasan na lang ito. That's a shocking experience for a freshman; a real confidence booster....

:)

Lasallian_Gentleman
Sep 5, 2000, 04:15 PM
I am a Philo major from La Salle!!!

kesler
Sep 6, 2000, 05:42 PM
Which reminds me of a professor I once had for MEDPHIL, part time siya sa DLSU pero he really teaches full time sa UST. Sabi niya Philosophy Majors must "baffle the minds of the LESSER mortal..." hehehe wala lang cute bang battle cry?

SailorMoon
Sep 8, 2000, 10:44 AM
i finished philosophy, way back in 1993. now im handling a communications-related function. i would hve wanted to study law or teach, but i had a different calling.
what i want to point out is that philosophy doesnt really train you specifically for a profession, but when u hve a degree in philosophy, it's easy for u to fit in to any job bec of the discipline u acquire.

KeyserSoze
Sep 8, 2000, 07:47 PM
I had a different experience though.

When people ask me what my course is and I say that it is Philosophy I receive "Oooh"s and "Ahhhh"s as if my course is the noblest course there is. (well it is). Parang revered ako eh.

Anyway, in Ateneo, Philo professors call Philo majors the Enlightened Ones.

Nuno
Sep 8, 2000, 09:20 PM
Yep, Philo Major
+ Religous values education

Hello Kesler!! ZENBUDD KA 2nd term?

[This message has been edited by Nuno (edited 09-08-2000).]

[-c-h-a-]
Sep 9, 2000, 02:28 PM
We're only studying a branch of Philo (Logic) pero all these critical thinking is making me more illogical! LOL jk... I'm pretty sure basic pa lang yung lessons namin compared to yours pero super nahihirapan na ako (all those obversion-contraposition-all-s-are-p stuff) nakakalito... I'll stick to math...

:)

man
Sep 9, 2000, 03:34 PM
Socrates.

Ramirez
Sep 10, 2000, 07:27 PM
KeyserSoze, I'm a philo grad- San Beda. Actually, no one has the right to say that philo majors have to be this or that. If you say that we have to practice humility and tranquility than you are as guilty as I am in pigeonholing philo or non-philo majors.

Transcend your slave morality.

KeyserSoze
Sep 10, 2000, 10:35 PM
It's not pigeonholing, Ramirez. I said all should practice humility and moderation because we are taught, at least in ateneo, exactly that in Philosophy.

Just like Socrates said. "Wala akong alam". THis admission is what separates him from the others because he knows and admits that he knows nothing as compared to other people who think that they know everything. His admission also makes him search for knowledge.

It's not pigeonholing. It's like saying any management major should know what a derivative is because they were taught that in their math classes.
Since we are taught humility then we should paractice it diba?Knowledge when used is wisdom. Not acting correctly on what you know is foolishness.

Youre saying that I shouldnt impose humility on philo majors when they are taught exactly that? Eh para saan pa yung pinag-aaralan natin kung hindi natin isasabuhay diba?

"Lundagin mo beybe!", ika nga ni Padre Ferriols.

Kapayapaan Kaibigan.

kesler
Sep 11, 2000, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Nuno:
Yep, Philo Major
+ Religous values education

Hello Kesler!! ZENBUDD KA 2nd term?

[This message has been edited by Nuno (edited 09-08-2000).]

Yup...ZENBUDD under Ms. Velasco..pero super syang I wish i could take ASIPHIL kasi we have a visiting prof from China (Dr. Garcia told me about it nung Course Card Day) He is specializing on Chinese Philo and wants to teach pero yun lang nga puno na electives namin(graduating..that is in 2 terms..) so baka he will teach ASIPHIL nalang daw!

l'ange
Sep 13, 2000, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by KeyserSoze:
It's not pigeonholing, Ramirez. I said all should practice humility and moderation because we are taught, at least in ateneo, exactly that in Philosophy.

Just like Socrates said. "Wala akong alam". THis admission is what separates him from the others because he knows and admits that he knows nothing as compared to other people who think that they know everything. His admission also makes him search for knowledge.

It's not pigeonholing. It's like saying any management major should know what a derivative is because they were taught that in their math classes.
Since we are taught humility then we should paractice it diba?Knowledge when used is wisdom. Not acting correctly on what you know is foolishness.

Youre saying that I shouldnt impose humility on philo majors when they are taught exactly that? Eh para saan pa yung pinag-aaralan natin kung hindi natin isasabuhay diba?

"Lundagin mo beybe!", ika nga ni Padre Ferriols.

Kapayapaan Kaibigan.

Sang-ayon ako sa iyo diyan. Ngunit, sa akin ring palagay, isang personal na karanasan ang pilosopiya. Kaya't ang magagawa lamang ng mga namimilosopo'y imungkahi ang kanilang mga pinagmuni-munihan. Ngunit, hindi kailanman magiging absoluto ito.

Kaya't sakabila ng pag-sang-ayon ko, naniniwala ako na may katuturan ang sinasabi rin ni Ramirez. Isang uri din ito ng pango-ngonsepto...ang pagsasabi na ang pilosopo'y kinakailangan maging mapagkumbaba (ngunit, tinatanggal ko na ang negatibong pagtingin ni Padre dito). Gumagawa ka ng konsepto ng isang pilosopo... ngunit kailangan gawin... at hindi mahihindian. Ngunit kailangan din tukuyin na hindi istatiko ang konsepto.

Kaiba ba ang sinasabi ko sa sinasabi ni Padre? Sa tingin ko, oo. Ngunit, sa tingin ko hindi rin naman nagkakalayo. Pinag-uusapan ni Padre ang isang uring pagkakakilala sa meron bilang "istatiko"--ang pagkakahon--ngunit may isang uri rin ng pagkakakilala sa meron bilang "presence" na dinamiko. Sa parehong pagkakataon, gumagamit tayo ng mga konsepto. Iyon lang nga, sa nauna, ang meron ay pinamumunuan na ng konsepto--at ito marahil ang sinasabi ni Padreng pagsasakonsepto.

Malayo na ba? Ito lang ang sinasabi ko: sa tingin ko, tama ka sa sinasabi mong hindi dapat magmalaki ang isang namimilosopo.

Ngunit, iwasan din natin ang sasa-absoluto nito. Kailangan natin muling isip-isipin ito. Marami rin kaming mga mag-aaral ni Padre ang namangha sa tinuro niya sa amin. Ngunit, kung mananatili lang tayo sa tinuro niya, siguradong hindi niya ito ikakatuwa. Tinuturo niya na dapat tayo mag-isip. Na maging ang kanyang mga kaisipan ay muling pag-isipan pa.

Kaya't sa huli, ang pagiging mapagkumbaba ng isang namimilosopo ay hindi isang artipisyal na pangungumbaba dahil sa utos ni Padre o ni Socrates.... ito'y bunga ng pa-ulit-ulit na pag-iisip. Kaya't ito'y isang personal na bagay bigla-bigla na lamang na nababanaag. Kaya nga sinasabi, ang pilosopiya ay ginagawa.

Munti ko lang na pag-mumuni-muni na muli ko pang pagmumunihan muli... http://www.pinoyexchange.com/lol.gif

Ano sa tingin ninyo? :)

[This message has been edited by l'ange (edited 09-13-2000).]

KeyserSoze
Sep 18, 2000, 11:01 PM
You maybe right.
However, I did not say that once you are not humble, then then you are no longer a philosopher.
I still firmly believe that a philosopher should be humble.

Knowing but not doing is nothing.
Philosophy practically teaches humility.

Where you go from there is your decision.

purple_madness
Apr 4, 2001, 12:12 AM
ay, ako din sali :lol:
philo major ho, galing UP Diliman.
hindi naman nakikinig sa class. :lol:

Nestle`sCrushhh
Apr 4, 2001, 03:21 PM
:D