Business - UP or ADMU?

[wowmygoodness]

First off, I'm cancelling La Salle already because I didn't take the exams (parents didn't want me to). I'd still appreciate your two cents if you're really adamant about it, but it'll fall on deaf ears, since its impossible for me to go there anyway.

What offers a better Business program? This in terms of the quality of education they offer, and the better deal for your money.

Also, does anybody know about the Management Economics program in Ateneo? Is it as good as the BS Business Economics program in UP?

Does it really make that big a difference?

Would appreciate your honest opinions, please.

[MacTurd]

ATENEO has the best undergraduate program in business. It also has the best MBA program according to CHED.

Have you attended the JGSOM Open House in the Ateneo? That should have answered most of your questions regarding Ateneo's MECO program. If you did not attend, you should make an appointment with the program director to discuss your questions. PEx is not a reliable forum for these types of discussions. There are too many insecure bashers around.

Regarding your query - Business - UP or ADMU? Think about it. This is just an analogy: one school is "pang-masa" and left-leaning in its tradition, the other one is known to be elitist and pro-capitalist. Would you expect leftist communists to be good in teaching and promoting capitalistic concepts?

In Ateneo, it's not just the education that's excellent. It's also the environment. There are many students from affluent families (business owners, parents who are senior executives, etc.) just as there are scholars. When you're done with your studies, you maintain this network of contacts which can be invaluable later on.

Your communication skills will also improve in the Ateneo. Communication, although often underrated, is very important in business, particularly in moving up the ranks in organizations. This is where many people trip and fall on their way up. Their analytical skills may be highly developed but if their communication skills suck (big time), they won't go that far.

Ever wondered why there are many Ateneans in the top ranks of most organizations? That's largely due to their holistic education. Ateneo develops the total person. Ateneans are trained to be technically competent, and they are also worldly and knowledgeable about many other 'things under the sun' (eg politics, economics, religion, culture, languages, philosophy, theology, etc.).

Think of the stereotypical image of an Atenean, then compare that with a graduate of another school. An Atenean exudes confidence, which is often mistaken as arrogance. Confidence is a very important quality in business. It separates the leaders from the followers. Again, no wonder there are many Ateneans who occupy the top echelons in business organizations.

There are many reasons why you should choose Ateneo for your business studies. At the end of the day, you should decide for yourself which school will make you succeed in life. My suggestion is -- choose Ateneo, the "Harvard and MIT of the Philippines." You can't go wrong with the Best.

[cortez143]

UP na lang... kahit mga atenista, sinusuka ang business school nila. :glee:

[Stirling]

nakaka-degrade masyado itong ganitong mga tanong. i can't even imagine one would ask something like this. UP is way superior to the next best university in the Philippines - DLSU, what more when it's compared to the 3rd best only - de Ateneo. Already, UP is challanging the best universities in other countries such us - NUS, Chulalongkorn, Malaya, UHK and the like. therefore, comparaing it to de Ateneo is a backward move.

[grun]

^^
Ateneo "more Capitalistic" than UP?

- which school has an economics department that has been advocating free trade and removal of tariffs for many years? UP. The Jesuits in your campus seem to be wary of this. Baket kaya? I thought you were more capitalistic.. hehe

- which school is planning to construct a modern shopping mall?
- which school has a hotel inside its campus?
- which university bids out movie screenings every now and then?
- which university gives permits to clothing sale almost every week?
- which university holds concerts from time to time, sponsored by radio companies and telecoms giants alike?
- from which school are the defending champions in the recent finance (ICFC), accounting, case presentation, and marketing (Agora Youth Awards) competitions.
- where is the Development Center for Finance?
- where is the Ayala Technology Business Incubation facility?
-which school offers the only Master in Technology Management program in the country?
- from which engineering department can you find research labs with tie-ups with corporations like Intel, Texas Instruments, IMI, Yamatake-Honeywell?
-from which physics department can you find labs with tie-ups with Intel and Nokia?

ANSWER: UP DILIMAN

- what UP Diliman offers is not a "one-course" ideology. It offers diversity. It recognizes an Atheist Circle as well as YFC. It gives tambayans to LFS and JMA alike.

And believe me, it's always fun debating with "tibaks". Walden Bello's children versus Gerardo Sicat's babies.

Btw, are registration system is more "capitalistic". Hehe. The higher the priority ranking is the higher the chance you get to enlist the subject. Just like the market. The higher the price you are willing to pay for a good, the greater the chance you will get it. Unlike our neighbors', where they depend on pure luck. Their students are given numbers. Duh! I thought you have the best computer science department

[Stirling]

^

On the bright side, let's just all be thankful that de Ateneo has always been there for those who are not smart and bright enough to pass in UP. For a very long time now, de Ateneo has accommodated hundreds of thousands of UPCAT rejects. If it wasn't for de Ateneo, many students must have committed suicides and this is imaginable.

[Stirling]

^^

-which school offers the only Master in Technology Management program in the country?
actually, in whole Asia! Only UP and the University of New South Wales (UNSW) are offering MTM, and already collaboration between the two prestigious schools are on the blue print.

[Ultra_MegaStar]

ATENEO has the best undergraduate program in business. It also has the best MBA program according to CHED.

Have you attended the JGSOM Open House in the Ateneo? That should have answered most of your questions regarding Ateneo's MECO program. If you did not attend, you should make an appointment with the program director to discuss your questions. PEx is not a reliable forum for these types of discussions. There are too many insecure bashers around.

Regarding your query - Business - UP or ADMU? Think about it. This is just an analogy: one school is "pang-masa" and left-leaning in its tradition, the other one is known to be elitist and pro-capitalist. Would you expect leftist communists to be good in teaching and promoting capitalistic concepts?

In Ateneo, it's not just the education that's excellent. It's also the environment. There are many students from affluent families (business owners, parents who are senior executives, etc.) just as there are scholars. When you're done with your studies, you maintain this network of contacts which can be invaluable later on.

Your communication skills will also improve in the Ateneo. Communication, although often underrated, is very important in business, particularly in moving up the ranks in organizations. This is where many people trip and fall on their way up. Their analytical skills may be highly developed but if their communication skills suck (big time), they won't go that far.

Ever wondered why there are many Ateneans in the top ranks of most organizations? That's largely due to their holistic education. Ateneo develops the total person. Ateneans are trained to be technically competent, and they are also worldly and knowledgeable about many other 'things under the sun' (eg politics, economics, religion, culture, languages, philosophy, theology, etc.).

Think of the stereotypical image of an Atenean, then compare that with a graduate of another school. An Atenean exudes confidence, which is often mistaken as arrogance. Confidence is a very important quality in business. It separates the leaders from the followers. Again, no wonder there are many Ateneans who occupy the top echelons in business organizations.

There are many reasons why you should choose Ateneo for your business studies. At the end of the day, you should decide for yourself which school will make you succeed in life. My suggestion is -- choose Ateneo, the "Harvard and MIT of the Philippines." You can't go wrong with the Best.

I would also recommend the Ateneo for business.

Just look at the top MBA schools in the USA like Wharton, Harvard, Northwestern, U of Chicago, New York U, Columbia, Yale, Stanford, U of Virginia, etc. Ateneans represent the single largest block of Filipino students in these schools, outnumbering the closest group by a factor of at least 3:1. There are many Ateneans who make it to the top US business schools because they are, among many other reasons, intelligent, and the school has an established reputation for excellence among MBA Admission Officers.

John Gokongwei, a Lasallian, even admitted that the Ateneo is the best business school in the Philippines, and he stood by his word by donating P200 million of his own money. Hence, the establishment of JGSOM. That's a clear testament of his firm belief that the Ateneo is the best in business education. He put his money where his mouth is and placed his stamp of approval by having his name emblazoned in the school for posterity. Has anyone done the same for UP's business school? I know they rely on government grants, which ultimately come from the taxpayers, but has any private citizen donated even a tenth or less (10% or P20 million) of Gokongwei's donation to the Ateneo?

Also, look at how the other posters above have argued their points. Do you want to become like them? They don't know how to think and debate. They have simply bashed the Ateneo. Why? Because they feel insecure. Why again? Because they know deep in their hearts and souls that the Ateneo is truly the best. There's a reason why, according to MacTurd, the Ateneo is widely acknowledged as the "Harvard and MIT of the Philippines. It's simply the best.

I'd say --- if you want to be the best, go for the best. Go for the Ateneo. :spinstar:

Nuff said.

[grun]

^^
i believe it's you who is not giving enough proof.. hehe

[grun]

The Management Economics program of the Ateneo does not include mathematical economics and econometrics unlike UP's Business Economics (that is according to my batchmate who is taking Eco at Ateneo). Imagine having a double degree in Management and Economics without even knowing what Cramer's rule is or without seeing the proof of the ordinary least squares. At UPSE, all your teachers have PhD's. There are no fresh grads who are teaching. besides, even if you take Economics at Ateneo, you will use the book of Dr. Rolando A. Danao (PhD. in Mathematics, UCB) from UPSE.

[Ultra_MegaStar]

^ ^ ^ More bashing and fact-twisting (i.e., more commonly called "lies") from insecure, jealous and bitter people won't alter the fact that the Ateneo is the best. No wonder the Ateneo is widely acknowledged as the "Harvard and MIT of the Philippines."

[Nijinsky]

To the threadstarter, if I were you, I'll choose Ateneo over UP. It's still different when you're an Atenean. People look up to you. UP is also good, but Ateneo is better if not the best.

[Ultra_MegaStar]

You did not know that that money was initially offered to UP but UP cannot meet up with the terms asked by JG. He wanted the UP Business School to be named after him when he is not even a UP educated (his 3 daughters are but not him). A school like de Ateneo is much willing to sell its own soul in exchange of material vanities. UP cannot sacrifice its principles in exchange for a few millions that's why it has been consistently admired by great people all over the world, not to mention it has maintained its top position in all surveys may this be locally or internationally administered.


:lol:

Another fake claim. It's not that different from your fake lists, fake articles, etc. :D

It a sign of extreme desperation on your part. :lol:

[Ultra_MegaStar]

^^
- from which school are the defending champions in the recent finance (ICFC).


Let's not forget that UP placed only 3rd in 2003, behind the Ateneo. Ateneo's 3rd year Mgt. Eng. students defeated the top 5th year BAA students of UP. And to think, Ateneo does not have a degree in accounting and these Ateneans only take 6-9 units of accounting. It must be in the superior Atenean genes. :spinstar:

[Coño Guy]

Id say i'll be biased for my school, its UPSE for economics, just think: Its widely recognized not only in the Philippines but also in Southeast Asia, most of the faculty are PhD. Well, even Cielito Habito taught there before going to Ateneo. And for BA, its the B-school of UP, coz *** naman accounting ang Ateneo, id say highly competitive ang MBA nila.

Id just remember when my profs last year made the paper on the fiscal crisis, everybody even GMA listens. hahaha. And it has the best economists in the cournty, C Dean Fab and the White Buddha, Sir De Dios.

And lastly, you get to have good education at low cost, libre aircon and lab for 6thou a sem.

[mba_guy]

You did not know that that money was initially offered to UP but UP cannot meet up with the terms asked by JG. He wanted the UP Business School to be named after him when he is not even a UP educated (his 3 daughters are but not him). A school like de Ateneo is much willing to sell its own soul in exchange of material vanities. UP cannot sacrifice its principles in exchange for a few millions that's why it has been consistently admired by great people all over the world, not to mention it has maintained its top position in all surveys may this be locally or internationally administered.
This is true.

[mba_guy]

in the undergrad, UP is really the best followed by La Salle then Ateneo and UA&P.

[feisty_virago]

^

On the bright side, let's just all be thankful that de Ateneo has always been there for those who are not smart and bright enough to pass in UP. For a very long time now, de Ateneo has accommodated hundreds of thousands of UPCAT rejects. If it wasn't for de Ateneo, many students must have committed suicides and this is imaginable.


I'm being neutral here, okay. But I find your statement full of generalizations.

Anyway, I know people from ADMU who passed UP and ADMU (both quota and honor courses, respectively) but instead chose to study in ADMU because of their parents' perception of the university's 'leftist' and radical environment. And since some of these people are Chinese,(majority of which are ICANs and Xavierians), their conservative parents are a little paranoid about kidnapping incidents and these students have no choice but to follow their parents (even if they wanted to study in UP just for a change from their sheltered lives). I also heard that there are professors in UP who hardly show up in class. And that is a no-no in ADMU (students are shelling out ten thousands of pesos to learn after all). A student doing self-study can only learn so much. Likewise, there are people who would have preferred ADMU but still chose UP because Ateneo does not offer accountancy, HRM, Tourism,engineering, arcitecture or medicine. I've heard of people saying they would have gone to ADMU if only their preferred choices were offered in ADMU. So logically, the next best choice is UP Diliman.

Suicide? Really. That's a rather rash observation. While its true that ADMU accomodates several UPCAT rejects (heck, ADMU rejects even basta may kilalang Heswita, pasok ka na), I don't think they would commit suicide just because they failed UP. If anything, they might become better people because God might be planning better things for them in the Ateneo. Kumbaga, blessing in disguise para sa kanila.

But honestly, I am still pissed off by some Ateneans who are UP rejects and still bitter about it and they bash UP, La Salle and stubbornly insist that Ateneo is number one. If you believe that ADMU is number one, fine, be proud of the fact that you are an Atenean but don't go around boasting verbally. If you are secured enough of your disposition as an Atenean, there is no reason for you to make an isko, a La Sallian or a Thomasian see your way because they would never understand because they have never been an Atenean. (Unless that LaSallian, isko,or Thomasian spent two years of his life in ADMU and eventually transferred to their present school, they too, have no right to bash Ateneans and its system of education) Also Let your actions speak for the holistic education you have learned, the education that you think distinguishes you from graduates of other schools. Be humble for Chrissakes.

You Stirling, on the other hand, are a UP graduate. A scholar. So do this country proud. While I watch the Ateneans become capitalists someday, I shall gladly await for whatever valuable contribution you will do as a token of appreciation to your taxpaying-fellowmen who enabled you to enjoy the privilege of learning in the country's premier university. :)

[HARE]

You dont have to spend that much money to study business.

[Maroonest]

My family is predominantly blue but I ended up in Diliman because I did not get accepted in Ateneo. I have no regrets for having ended up in UP. It's a fine university. However, when it comes to business or management, I think Ateneo has the edge over UP. That's only my opinion. I hope I don't get bashed.

[Ultra_MegaStar]

My family is predominantly blue but I ended up in Diliman because I did not get accepted in Ateneo. I have no regrets for having ended up in UP. It's a fine university. However, when it comes to business or management, I think Ateneo has the edge over UP. That's only my opinion. I hope I don't get bashed.

I commend you for your honesty. It's nice to know there are people like you who can set aside their school pride and personal insecurities and be objective. More power to people like you.

[Stirling]

You Stirling, on the other hand, are a UP graduate. A scholar. So do this country proud. While I watch the Ateneans become capitalists someday, I shall gladly await for whatever valuable contribution you will do as a token of appreciation to your taxpaying-fellowmen who enabled you to enjoy the privilege of learning in the country's premier university. :)
Yes, I am a granduand (a British terminology for a graduating student) but not from UP.

[Ultra_MegaStar]

^ ^ Halatang olats at pikon na pikon na ah. :nuts:

BACK ON TOPIC:

For undergraduate studies in business, choose ATENEO, the "Harvard & MIT of the Philippines." Even Lasallian John Gokongwei agrees the Ateneo is the best. To prove it, he donated P200 million to the business school, with more to follow. Has any individual donated even a measly P5 million to UP's school of business? Nada, none, non, wala, bokya, kalabasa!

Go to Ateneo where the bright Blue Eagles fly! You woudn't want to go to another place and be surrounded by turkeys ...... este sore losers and pikon people, would you? :naughty2:

ATENEO, simply the BEST! :spinstar:

[1asallian]

I am not from UP or Ateneo but if I were to choose between the two, I'll choose Ateneo for business. Mas magaling ang business sa Ateneo IMO. I know many of my batchmates in high school, especially the honor students, who chose Ateneo over UP for business studies. In particular, the bright ones chose Ateneo's BSME over UP's BAA. For MECO versus Business Economics, I'll go for Ateneo.

[wowmygoodness]

Nobody has really told me what "better" really means yet. In terms of their performance after College, what happens to these graduates? Its true that in business, networking is important (which you get in Ateneo). However, in UP you get to have an education that is more diverse in terms of the people and the environment you are submerged in. This asks us then, which is more important in the long run?

Yes I have been to the JGSOM Orientation, but Management Economics falls under the College of Social Sciences, and so is not a full Management course. In this, I think the UP's Business Economics program is better, since its more quantitative. Take note as well however, that the BS Management Honors students from Ateneo have been consistently beating UP BAA students in terms of competitions in the last few years.

These are all the best programs these schools offer. But what about the performance of the regular Business Administration/Management students?

I'm doing my best to sift through the biased/non biased opinions. I understand that these biases cant be fully erased, but I hope that you support your belief with as much facts and/or be as objective as possible. I've been asking my parents, relatives, etc. I'm using Pex as another source of information, and I hope that at least some of it is reliable.

And just to reply to the issue on safety:
I passed both UP and Ateneo, and my older sister as well. However, even if we're not affluent my parents adamantly chose for my sister to go to Ateneo. Even if both my parents are graduates from UP. They say its not safe - and that safety is their top most priority. You cant deny that the education you get from ADMU is good. And so my parents feel that your getting the same quality of education anyway, so they opt for the "safer" college instead.

Its really disheartening to see an honest question being used as another ground for fights on school pride. This is education we're talking about, and not some measly affair on "who's better."

I really appreciate those who gave lengthy comments though, they really thought things through.

[1asallian]

I think your parents were wise as UPians to recommend Ateneo over UP. Better be safe than sorry. That's only my personal opinion. I'm not from either school. Good luck!

[atenean_blooded]

Take up your undergraduate business degree at the Ateneo. UP's a decent alternative.

[tianak_me]

atenean_blooded, how come you used to admit to PEXERS you were gay?

[atenean_blooded]

tianak_me: Show me the post, and I'll believe you.

[Stirling]

^ gays really do prefer to go to de ateneo than to UP. gays are also afraid of fraternities. ayaw nila ang brotherhood, only sisterhood. :lol:

no need to hide or deny if you are a gay, atenean_blooded. we are not gay-haters...

[Stirling]

And just to reply to the issue on safety:
I passed both UP and Ateneo, and my older sister as well. However, even if we're not affluent my parents adamantly chose for my sister to go to Ateneo. Even if both my parents are graduates from UP. They say its not safe - and that safety is their top most priority. You cant deny that the education you get from ADMU is good. And so my parents feel that your getting the same quality of education anyway, so they opt for the "safer" college instead.


nakngpuch! matanong ko lang itong alternick na ito: how rich is your family that you think your life wouldbe in danger when you go to a campus like UP?

ang school nyo, 70% mga bata kaya yung utak nyo siguro hindi na lumaki, bata pa rin hanggang ngayon! :lol:

have you been to universities in other countries? Meron ka bang nakikitang elementary at high school students inside the campus??? :naughty:

and lastly, I don't believe you passed in UP. no way! :no:

[atenean_blooded]

^ gays really do prefer to go to de ateneo than to UP. gays are also afraid of fraternities. ayaw nila ang brotherhood, only sisterhood. :lol:

no need to hide or deny if you are a gay, atenean_blooded. we are not gay-haters...

Measurable, quantifiable. Your proof?

Or risk a ban again? :D

[Stirling]

Measurable, quantifiable. Your proof?
mahirap po ito kasi gays in de ateneo won't readily admit that they are. pero ang gay, sa pagsusulat palang, alam mo ng gay, e. :lol:

Or risk a ban again? :D
bakit naman po? did i insult anyone? kung merong mahilig mang-bash dito ay ang mismong mga atenista kaya dapat ma-una muna silang i-ban.

[atenean_blooded]

Can't prove such a simple thing?


So much for your 'uk' education.

[Stirling]

Can't prove such a simple thing?

So much for your 'uk' education.
What makes you think I feel obliged to prove anything to YOU? What will I get from it, your trust, your admiration? Huwag na po. I don't fancy the trust of an atenean... :glee:

Sorry for breaking your heart, eh.

How about proving to us that you're straight? Well, don't get me wrong here. Prove it only when you feel like it, okay? No pressure, at all. :clown3:

[atenean_blooded]

Excuses. :rolleyes:

[Stirling]

Excuses. :rolleyes:
yea, and i'm glad that this time you got it STRAIGHT to your head.

now, prove that you're straight and you're not afraid of fraternities.

[ROYALblood04]

it's hard to prove you're straight if you're NOT straight. :naughty:


Let's go back to topic:

UP has the best business school and has the best business programme. La Salle comes next. third place is a toss up between UA&P and San Beda.

lol tama na ang mga palusot ng mga talunan!

[Stirling]

mga talunan? mga talunan saan?

[wowmygoodness]

Alternick? I'm a High School Senior and I'm simply asking around because I want to know what College I should go to. Why is it that here you automatically label people, even if what is important is the QUESTION being asked, and not the person asking it?

And about security? Ba’t, anak mayaman ka ba? Kidnapped prone ka ba? Saan ka ba nakatira, sa Dasma, Forbes, Ayala heights? Baka dyan kalang sa kanto tapos natatakot ka sa security sa UP? Hoy, kung anak mayaman ka, huwag sa dito sa Pinas, dun ka sa Warwick o sa Oxford!!! Pero, sa tingin ko walang kakayahan ang magulang mo na ipag-aral ka dun kasi – Ateneo lang ang option mo! So, halatang yan lang ang kaya ng pera at utak mo!

So, again, sinong niloloko mo? E, di ang lolo mong panut!

Why would I be asking about a COMPARISON between UP and Ateneo if I didnt pass both? Why would I bother? I told you I passed both UP and Ateneo. And that my sister did too. And that if you bothered reading, we're not that affluent but my parents chose my ate to study in Ateneo because they thought it was better for their kid. My dad finished BSBA and he thinks I should study in UP. I'm a girl and in my family my mother has the most say in terms of my upbringing, eh ayaw niya sa UP. Ganun eh. May pamilya talagang ganun.

As I said before, why don't you just answer the question? Nang-iinsulto ka pa eh.

Best program is relative to personal preference. How can a Business Administration program be the best in UP when you want to study Molecular Biology & Biotechnology, for instance?
How can a Business Administration be the best in UP when you want to study Business and Economics? Olats ka na naman dyan.


I must have not phrased it well, sorry. I know that "best program" is relative. What I meant was that BSBAA and Management Honors are the quota courses, the hard ones to get into. No need to nitpick on the details.

Wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! Sinong niloloko mo? Consistently beating??? Wahahahahaha….

No need to laugh. From what I gathered, those were the facts that I got. Thats why I'm trying to get your honest opinions on which school offers the best program.

and lastly, I don't believe you passed in UP. no way
Maybe you didn't.

I would still like others honest opinions. Thank you to all those who replied, nonetheless. Nakakaaliw, medyo lang nakakainis. Parang hindi tayo lahat Pilipino. Nagtatanong lang po.

[Stirling]

^
E, ba't ka nagtatanong kung ang decision ng mommy mo rin pala ang masusunod, hindi yung sa mga anak nya? bwahahahahaah........ kawawang mga anak naman ito. they can't decide for themselves. Just always hope that your mom is always right.

If you can't get into UP because your mom doesn't want you to, then you don't deserve a UP education.

UP is for those highly achiever, empowered and firm individuals. Buhay mo ang nakakasalalay dito, not your mom’s. So, you should make the decision for yourself.

and, BENEFuCTORS is right, that UP - College of Business is the best in the country, DLSU is next. And it’s UP that has more championship wins in major competitions, not Ateneo. Kanino mo ba ang hagilap yung chismis na mas maraming nakuhang awards ang Ateneo kesa UP? Sa kanto nyo? Sa mga kapitbahay nyong atenista? sa kabasketball-mate mo sa kalye nyo? Kanino? Dapat credible ang source natin before you'll draw a conclusion. Ngayon nakita mo ang website ng awards ng UP-CBA, hindi mo pa rin pinaniwalaan ito. Then, there’s really something is wrong with you.

Alam mo, even the top grad of Ateneo sa UP nagka-college. Ang mga top lang ang ina-absorbed ng UP kaya siguro nag taka si BENEFuCTORS kung pumasa ka nga ba. At sa post mo, halatang you are already deciding to go to Ateneo, tama ba?

I would join all the rest here in saying, I'm sorry, but we're not convinced you passed UPCAT. Maraming ganyang Atenista, nagpapanggap. It’s sad because some of their titsers are even the ones advocating them to do that. Isn’t that lying? It is! Why would I know they lied? Because enrollment yield in UP is very high and you can access the figures in UP Regs. Of course, mas credible naman ang UP kesa mga UPCAT rejects na mga ito.

[atenean_blooded]

Sige nga. Show us the names and figures!

Lalo na yung " even the top grad of Ateneo sa UP nagka-college," and "mga top lang ang ina-absorbed ng UP (sic)."

And patunayan mo na rin yung " It’s sad because some of their titsers are even the ones advocating them to do that. Isn’t that lying? It is!"

[Ultra_MegaStar]

Just look at the posts above. Who are the PIKON ones? Those are the ones who can't think and debate. The losers. And where do you think they come from? Where else? ..... Balara .... este Diliman and Warwick (kuno). :lol:

My recommendation still stands. If you're considering undergraduate studies in business management, the Ateneo is the best in the land.

There you will find the best and brightest students, especially in JGSOM (note: you'll meet many Merit, Oblation and Star scholar-awardees in JGSOM); the safer and more-conducive-to-studying environment; the best holistic education; the best in values formation; students who are technically competent and skilled in communication (not like those from a certain school who struggle with elementary subject-verb agreement.... hehehehehe); world-renowned Jesuit reputation for academic excellence; vast network of highly successful alumni/ae network that can assist you in your career; the "winningest" students in inter-collegiate academic competitions; the largest representation of Filipino students in the Ivy League schools as well as in Oxbridge; etc.

If you want to be a number-cruncher or an analyst for the rest of your life, go to the other school.

If you want to be a senior executive, a leader, a rainmaker, a catalyst for change, a mover and shaker, ...... go to the Ateneo.

I agree with your parents. As UPians, they know what it's like in UP and, yet, they recommend that you go to Ateneo. They only want the best for you, and that's the Ateneo. It's simply the best. :spinstar:

Good luck!

[feisty_virago]

Here we go again. No, you definitely failed to qualify yourself to belong to the neutrals. Worse, you martial evidence like someone trying to herd cats. I’ll show you what I mean as we go along.


Okay, I won't argue with you by merely declaring – "I know people from ADMU who passed in UP but chose to study in Ateneo" – because there really are people who did that, and the statistical data which we can access in UP Reg's would also confirm that UP Diliman & Manila's annual enrollment yield is not 100%, but near. What I'm determined to argue with you is when you insist to aver that – there are many of them who passed UPCAT (for Diliman & Manila) in Ateneo, which at this very moment I decided to hold pursuing the argument for the simple reason that you failed (unconsciously or not) to quantify these alleged UPCAT passers who are now studying in the inferior school, de Ateneo.

Your rhetoric outruns your case. “Since these people are Chinese, their conservative parents are a little paranoid about kidnapping and these students have no choice but to follow their parents.”…” there are people who would have preferred ADMU but still chose UP because Ateneo does not offer accountancy, HRM, Tourism, Engineering, architecture or medicine.” Do you realise how odd (and funny) a particular point would appear when it's derived from two inconsistent arguments?

My mistake, I was not able to clarify this. I was simply referring to 2 kinds of people here. The first batch, the Chinoys with paranoid parents. The second batch consist of my non-Chinese friends who went to UP because of various reasons: their preferred course aint offered in ADMU, tuition is cheaper, scholarship in ADMU was rejected, or yes, because their parents wanted them to go there. I just want to tell you that I am only stating my encounters with different people.

Security is not the main concern for anyone to go to UP no matter how kidnapped prone the subject is. If he is bright and he wants to go to Med School, he will go to UP even if there's 50 million to his price tag. He will set aside the risk and vulnerability in favour to obtaining his objective, which is – to get a medical degree from the best and the grandest university in the Philippines – UP.

Exactly, even if I were taking medicine, I would have gone to UP coz its easier to get into medicine proper in UP if you had your premed courses in UP. But we are talking about undergrad business school here and these students' (Chinoys) parents are the ones paying for the tuition and their parents are only concerened about their children's safety. Indeed, there are 'shallow' and 'obedient' children. This is a reality. Also, not everyone considered UP as his dream school. Take for example a guy Jesuit-educated since his prep days. If you would bother to interview several ADMU HS sttudents, some would still prefer ADMU because of yes, school pride.

As for kidnapping incidents, Robina Gokongwei was kidnapped there, if I recall. And there was a guy who was shot down in CASAA several years ago due to fraternity wars. He was from a financially-challenged family, if I remember. Now that person could have been anyone else. And there are news about rape victims whose bodies are being found in some of the university's vacant lots. So I do think some parents have a reason to worry. And i just want to let you know that while I got to socialize with Chinoys who are not multi-millionaire or billionaires, they have some properties and respectable businesses that I believe still earn them a few millions. Anyway, there are kidnappers nowadays who would settle for P2 million ransom. But then again, even if these things happen in the state university (sanayan nga lang, as they), there are people who are still brave enough to go there. Problem is, there are also people scared to go there.

Yes, I passed both UP and ADMU but I still chose to study in the latter because I want a Catholic education to complement what I have learned for 13 years (preschool-HS). I am also a Marian devotee and Mary is the patron of ADMU. And yes, I am middle-class, even jologz. :) (I just got through because I was a scholar). And yes, I chose a business course in ADMU and I can say ok naman yung training. Then again, nasa tao rin naman yan, especially now in the workplace. (Kung nasa ADMU ka nga, pero bulakbol ka naman, IMO, sinayang mo lang pera pinangaral ng magulang mo don. Other pexers wer correct. It all depends on the determination of the person. Heck, the most successful entrepreneurs and tycoons were drop-outs, or didnt even finish college.) I wouldn't know about UP because I didn't study there so I have no reason to bash/praise it. Although I am conisdering graduate studies in UP solely because of its reputation and its nearer my place than ADMU's b-school (again, a shallow reason, hehe).

Anyway, Benefuctors,I hope you get a chance to study in ADMU and take Mgt-H or ME and graduate with Latin Honors, then you can say that UP is indeed the best because ADMU's business courses are crap coz u experienced the ADMU system for yourself.

BTW, if you noticed, I never claimed ADMU is better than UP or vice versa. I was just here to correct whatever misconceptions some people may have about ADMU because I've been there, done that. And if you bothered to read my previous posts, it was neither my intention to bash nor praise either school. I just stated my encounters in my most objective way and it was never my intention to step on anyone's toes. I apologize if I did unwittingly though. Peace :)

[Crooked_Arrow]

I'm from DLSU but I would choose Ateneo for business if the choice is between Ateneo or UP. Ateneo is the better school for business.

[Limasawa]

I would also recommend the Ateneo for business.

John Gokongwei, a Lasallian, even admitted that the Ateneo is the best business school in the Philippines, and he stood by his word by donating P200 million of his own money. Hence, the establishment of JGSOM. That's a clear testament of his firm belief that the Ateneo is the best in business education. He put his money where his mouth is and placed his stamp of approval by having his name emblazoned in the school for posterity. Has anyone done the same for UP's business school? I know they rely on government grants, which ultimately come from the taxpayers, but has any private citizen donated even a tenth or less (10% or P20 million) of Gokongwei's donation to the Ateneo?

Nuff said.

John Gokongwei initially offered La Salle the P200 million in exchange for the DLSU College of Business and Economics to be renamed into the John Gokongwei School of Management and Economics. The La Sallian brothers refused because it would have confusing effects on La Salle's identity. John Gokongwei then approached the Jesuits. Naturally, Ateneo in dire need of funds for improving their aging facilities accepted thus now having the JGSOM.

I don't think you should be listening to Ateneans. They're the master of of sugarcoating. They're like Nazis, they would twist any story (even history) to serve the interests of their pride. Unfortunately, that is why they're the most popular school in the country and PERCIEVED to be number one.

[atenean_blooded]

John Gokongwei did no such thing.

If you do your research, John Gokongwei himself never really did make any move of the sort. Rather, it was his Jesuit-educated son Lance and other top people at JG Summit who decided to make the move in JG's name, a tribute to Mr. John.

[Limasawa]

John Gokongwei did no such thing.

If you do your research, John Gokongwei himself never really did make any move of the sort. Rather, it was his Jesuit-educated son Lance and other top people at JG Summit who decided to make the move in JG's name, a tribute to Mr. John.

As always, ATeneans will always have their own version of the story ...
Let me guess, you'll cite a fictitious source as your cohorts normally do ...

[atenean_blooded]

I think the Philippine Daily Inquirer is a better resource than YOU.

[frank_chavez]

kung bagsak ka sa UPCAT, Ateneo na!

[Limasawa]

kung bagsak ka sa UPCAT, Ateneo na!

Kung bagsak ka ng PUP Intrans ixam, sa Ateneo na lang bwahahahaha!

[Stirling]

Sige nga. Show us the names and figures!

Lalo na yung " even the top grad of Ateneo sa UP nagka-college," and "mga top lang ang ina-absorbed ng UP (sic)."

And patunayan mo na rin yung " It’s sad because some of their titsers are even the ones advocating them to do that. Isn’t that lying? It is!"
I'm NOT going to waste my time with you, inday. :lol:

[blueSUCKS!]

Sige nga. Show us the names and figures!

Lalo na yung " even the top grad of Ateneo sa UP nagka-college," and "mga top lang ang ina-absorbed ng UP (sic)."

And patunayan mo na rin yung " It’s sad because some of their titsers are even the ones advocating them to do that. Isn’t that lying? It is!"
ang hilig mo sa chismis fafa. okay ka, game ka. :grinroll:

[blueSUCKS!]

John Gokongwei initially offered La Salle the P200 million in exchange for the DLSU College of Business and Economics to be renamed into the John Gokongwei School of Management and Economics. The La Sallian brothers refused because it would have confusing effects on La Salle's identity. John Gokongwei then approached the Jesuits. Naturally, Ateneo in dire need of funds for improving their aging facilities accepted thus now having the JGSOM.

I don't think you should be listening to Ateneans. They're the master of of sugarcoating. They're like Nazis, they would twist any story (even history) to serve the interests of their pride. Unfortunately, that is why they're the most popular school in the country and PERCIEVED to be number one.
You are right. But before it was offered to DLSU, it was first offered to UP but UP officials were not willing to meet up with the terms which JG attached to his 200 million. He wants the UP - College of Business to be named after him. Of course, that's not possible in UP. How can that be possible when he is not a graduate of UP? JG has 4 children - 3 women and a man. All the 3 women went to UP and continuously donate to UP specifically in CAL and CMC where they earned their degrees from. His only son went to UP in the US but it's more popularly known there as UPenn. :lol:

Don't believe the chismis initiated by inday, atenean_blooded that Lnace is an Atenean.

[blueSUCKS!]

I think the Philippine Daily Inquirer is a better resource than YOU.
are YOU that Philippine Daily Inquirer? :glee:

[blueSUCKS!]

Kung bagsak ka ng PUP Intrans ixam, sa Ateneo na lang bwahahahaha!

Kung bagsak ka sa NU, sa Ateneo ang bagsak mo! :lol:

[blueSUCKS!]

I'm from DLSU but I would choose Ateneo for business if the choice is between Ateneo or UP. Ateneo is the better school for business.

Really??? ako naman...

I'm from THEE Ateneo but I would choose UP for business if the choice is between Ateneo or UP. UP is the better school for business.

dagdag ko lang: the only reason why I'm here in THEE Ateneo is becuase I failed in UP, DLSU, UA&P, San Beda and UST, and the only option left with me is --- THEEEEEEEEE Ateneo. *okay*

[wowmygoodness]

E, ba't ka nagtatanong kung ang decision ng mommy mo rin pala ang masusunod, hindi yung sa mga anak nya? bwahahahahaah........ kawawang mga anak naman ito. they can't decide for themselves. Just always hope that your mom is always right.

UP is for those highly achiever, empowered and firm individuals. Buhay mo ang nakakasalalay dito, not your mom’s. So, you should make the decision for yourself.


Must you always resort to replying in the most hurtful way? Nag off-topic ka na nga, nanginsulto ka pa ng way of living ng tao. Sorry ah, ganun kasi ako nabuhay. First of, dont get the impression that I'm this rich snotty person. No I'm not. Taga-Bicol nany ko and my dad is from Malabon. Precisely because they lived like that did they choose to "shelter" and "protect" their children in the best possible way. As I said before, just answer the question, and not the reasons behind it.

That is precisely the reason why I am asking around. Kasi ayaw ko sunod-sunuran sa nanay ko.

If you can't get into UP because your mom doesn't want you to, then you don't deserve a UP education.
Everyone deserves a UP education.

Dapat credible ang source natin before you'll draw a conclusion. Ngayon nakita mo ang website ng awards ng UP-CBA, hindi mo pa rin pinaniwalaan ito. Then, there’s really something is wrong with you.

I saw the website and I believe it. Where did I say that I didn't? I said that initially before reading Benefuctors post, that the information I got was that Ateneo won more awards. Now it has been proven otherwise. And I appreciate the person for giving me the link.

At sa post mo, halatang you are already deciding to go to Ateneo, tama ba?

Hindi ka tama.

I would join all the rest here in saying, I'm sorry, but we're not convinced you passed UPCAT.
Too bad. Bakit ba ang importanteng hindi niyo ako paniwalaan? Hindi man lang "congratulations for passing" talagang "I'm sorry, I don't believe you passed" pa ang sagot. I dont need for you to believe me, I just want you to answer the question without trying to get on my nerves.

[Crooked_Arrow]

I am not that active in PEx but it seems to me that the alternicks bluesucks, sitrling, Benefuctors, mba_guy and limasawa belong to the same person. Pitiful in my opinion that some people have to resort to hardsell and bashing just to make a point.

BACK ON TOPIC

I am not from Ateneo or UP, but for undergraduate business education, I believe Ateneo is superior when compared to UP based on the quality of the students, the strength of the core curriculum, the environment, etc. The proof is in the pudding - eg, the number of Ateneans in top positions in business organizations. As a matter of fact the competition is really between Ateneo and La Salle (not UP) when it comes to business.

No doubt UP is also good but Ateneo is better. Ateneo's JGSOM is known for attracting many top HS students including Merit, Star and even Oblation awardees.

Opinion ko lang ha. No bashing.

[Stirling]

Hindi ka tama.

OK. So, you're for real and you’re serious to get a candid answer. Excuse the ghastly behavior earlier. I thought you are another alternick with a solitary purpose to bash UP. Believe me, a lot of Ateneans find bashing schools a reassuring mechanism and their number one target is the number one school in the Philippines – UP. If you have only been in this forum a little earlier than the date you registered, you would realize that this is a bashing zone – war zone. And the funny thing about here is - it's the MODS of this forum who initiates all the bashings around this meaage board. It's really weird given the heading of this forum's section which is theoretically to discuss academics related in a scholarly comportment. But this is PEx ran by an atenean. All weird things take place right here naturally. Cute, no? :D

Now let's go to your queries.

You originally asked: UP or Ateneo? And, which offers a better Business program? This in terms of the quality of education they offer, and the better deal for your money.

First, let's compare the schools' reputation in the local scene. We have to ask which is more prestigious in the Philippines. My reply to this is UP – by a mile. Why?

The only measurement available to approximate our answer is the data of enrollment application.

UP receives more than 70 thousand applicants every year coming from all over the entire Philippine archipelago. Ateneo, on the other hand, receives a little over 12k only.

In the international scene, UP becomes even more undisputedly number. Asiaweek, APRU and the ASEAN University Network are all saying the same thing – UP is the best in the Philippines and DLSU is the next best university. Here are the links:
Asiaweek: http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/universities2000/schools/multi.overall.html
APRU: http://apru.nus.edu.sg/about/members.htm
ASEAN University Network: http://www.aun.chula.ac.th/Memberuni.htm


Second, let's compare the program. You said you aim for a business degree. First of all, the one you passed in ateneo is not a business degree. It’s a management program taught broadly but I cannot comment on it because I have not attended Atenoe. However, some Ateneans said the ME is a mixture of management, philosophy and industrial or operations engineering. The Management-Honors is a mixture of management, Philosophy and humanities. MECO is an integration of Management and Economics – I guess that’s a standalone course name. Ateneo always integrate Humanities in their syllabi which ever course. That’s their style so let’s leave them what fancies them.

The one you passed in UP (let’s assume you passed) is a dual major – Business Administration and Accountancy. This is a business degree with the primary objective “to train students to be professional managers and entrepreneurs and to become a professional public accountant.”

Now, which is a better programme? That’s for you to decide, not your mom.

better deal for your money?
Those "who's who" in the Philippines today have stepped foot on UP grounds for a fraction of a cost of a La Salle/Ateneo education.

Billionaire and Senator Manuel Villar; New York Billionaire Loida Nicholas-Lewis - CEO of TLC Beatrice; Billionaire Robert Kuan - owner/Chairman/President of St. Luke's Medical Center and Chowking; Multi-millionaire Johnlu Kua - owner/CEO of French Baker; multi-millionaire George Araneta - owner/chairman of Araneta Centre Cubao; Cabinet member Emilia BONCODIN - Secretary of Budget & Management; Don Felicito Roxas - exclusive importer and distributor of BMW, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche; Multi-millionaire Jean Henri D. Lhuillier; Billionaire Andrew Tan - Chairman Megaworld developer of Eastwood Libis are some of the successful products of UP-College of Business.

[Stirling]

I am not that active in PEx but it seems to me that the alternicks bluesucks, sitrling, Benefuctors, mba_guy and limasawa belong to the same person. Pitiful in my opinion that some people have to resort to hardsell and bashing just to make a point.

WRONG! On the contrary, it's you who's an alternick. you are an alternick of Ultra_Megastar, Turd, GreenTurd, Maroonest, Linda_Lovelace, ROYALblood04 and several hundreds more that i cannot recall anymore.

and you are one of the mods too. :naughty:


BACK ON TOPIC
I am not from Ateneo or UP, but for undergraduate business education, I believe Ateneo is superior when compared to UP based on the quality of the students, the strength of the core curriculum, the environment, etc. The proof is in the pudding - eg, the number of Ateneans in top positions in business organizations. As a matter of fact the competition is really between Ateneo and La Salle (not UP) when it comes to business.

No doubt UP is also good but Ateneo is better. Ateneo's JGSOM is known for attracting many top HS students including Merit, Star and even Oblation awardees.

Opinion ko lang ha. No bashing.
opinion na nga lang, mali pa. :lol:

[Stirling]

Has any individual donated even a measly P5 million to UP's school of business? Nada, none, non, wala, bokya, kalabasa!

In 1995, Queen Sophia of Spain donated 280 million pesos to UP for the construction of the eye research institute.

[Paris CAC]

On topic: Parehong magaling ang UP and Ateneo. I think these schools both have strengths and weaknesses but pound for pound, AIm is the best.

[MacTurd]

Just sharing. Here's a brief sampling of ATENEANS who have been/are successful in business. The list needs to be updated, but we might run out of space in PEx.

Enjoy!

________________________________

Andres Soriano, founder/head, San Miguel Corporation, The Soriano Group of Companies

Eugenio Lopez, founder of Meralco, Benpres, ABS-CBN, Rockwell Holdings, etc.

Diosdado Banatao, Entrepreneur Extraordinaire, Venture Capitalist, President of Tallwood Venture Capital, Founder of Silicon Valley companies like Mostron, Chips and Technologies, and S3. (Ateneo de Cagayan HS)

Sixto Roxas, founder and former President & CEO, Bancom Group of Companies

Vicente Jayme, Former President & CEO, Private Development Corp. of the Phil..

Oscar Reyes, CEO of the Shell Companies and President of the Pilipinas Shell Petroleum

Roberto de Ocampo, Finance Minister

Rene Buenaventura, President, Equitable-PCI Bank, Inc.

Manny Pangilinan, CEO, First Pacific Ltd.; President & CEO of PLDT

Ernest Leung, President, Phil. Deposit Insurance Corporation

Antonio "Tony Boy" Cojuangco, President, PLDT

Francisco Dizon, Chairman, Philippine National Bank

Simon Paterno, President, Development Bank of the Phil.

Ben Sison, President, Exim Bank

Carlos Velez, Chairman, Vintage Enterprises

Alfred Ramos, Chairman, National Book Store

Robert Romulo, former Chairman, IBM Philippines, former Dept. of Foreign Affairs Secretary

O.V. Espiritu, former Chairman & CEO, Far East Bank

Javier Loinaz, President & CEO, BPI

Aurelio Montinola III, President, BPI Family Bank

Valentin Araneta, President, RCBC

Justo Ortiz, Chairman & CEO, Union Bank

Renato Vergel de Dios, President, Prudential Insurance; former President, Philamlife

Jose Ma. Locsin, Chairman Emeritus, Hawaiian Pacific Sugar Mills

Teodoro Locsin, Sr., Publisher (CEO), Philippine Free Press

Carlos Dominguez, Chairman & President, PASAR

Luis Lorenzo, Jr., Chairman & CEO, Lapanday Holdings Corp.; Chairman, Macondray and Co.

Josephine Gotianun-Yap, President & COO, Filinvest Development Corporation

Andrew Gotianun, Jr., (Xavier GS, HS, Ateneo BSME72/73), Director, Filinvest Development Corporation; Filinvest Holdings Corp.

Lisa Gokongwei, President & Publisher (CEO), Summit Publishing (The Manila Times)

Gregorio Domingo, Governor, Dept. of Trade & Industry, Board of Investments

Jose B. Fernandez, Former Central Bank Governor, former Chairman, President & CEO, Far East Bank & Trust Co.

Gabriel Singson, Governor of the IBRD (World Bank) and Asian
Development Bank; Former Central Bank Governor;

Alan Ortiz, former Vice-Chairman & COO, Development Bank of the Philippines

Cesar Virata, former Finance Minister

Rufo Colayco, President, Clark Development Corporation

Eduardo Escueta, Administrator, Philippine Coconut Authority

Rene Banez, Comissioner, BIR

Eugenio Lopez III, Chairman & CEO, ABS-CBN Broadcasting Corp.; Chairman & CEO, Lopez Communications Group; Vice Chairman, Bayan Telecommunications; President, Sky Vision Corp.

Oscar Lopez, Chairman & CEO, First Philippine Holdings

Gabriel Lopez, Chairman & CEO, ABS-CBN Broadcasting Corporation; Chairman & CEO, CommGroup

Roberto Romulo, Chairman, Equitable Cardnetwork, Inc.; Chairman, Interpharm Investments Ltd.; Chairman & CEO, Romulo Navarro, Inc.; Chairman, Philam Insurance

Monico Jacob, former Governor, Phil. Stock Exchange; Chairman & CEO, Phil, National Oil Co.; CEO, Home Development Mutual Fund

Norberto Nazareno, Vice Chairman, President & CEO, Phil.. Deposit Insurance Corp.; former President & CEO, Phil. Banking Corp; former President & CEO, Citicorp Securities, Inc.

Josiah Go, President & CEO, Waters Philippines

Stephanie del Rosario, Owner of Fontagraphics Design

Miren Padilla, Owner, Malice Lambanog

Audrey Que, Owner, Humor Post

Charlie Doble and Andrew Marcelo, Owners, Spoofs Ltd. Inc.

Noel Canivel, FI Head, Standard Chartered Bank

Nestor Padilla, President, Rockwell Land Corp.

Genju Lapez, President, PT Nabisco, Indonesia

Robert Kelvin Kuan, COO, Creative Design Inc.

Uy Chun Bing, EVP, RCBC

Cesar Balota, Head of Johnson & Johnson (Singapore)

Rafael Alunan III, President, Maynilad Water Systems Inc.

Ceferino Carreon, mega-mega $millionaire international telecom investor and real estate developer

Carol Carreon, CEO & President, BayanTrust

Amador Vallejos, Jr., Director of Phil. Business Bank; Director of Phil, Association of Food Technologists;

Benjamin Loong, President & CEO, BJ Coco Oil Mill, Inc.; Chairman, BJ East Asia Inc.

Antonio Abaya, founder & Chairman, TAPATT Foundation Inc.

Baltazar Endriga, President, Cultural Center of the Phil.; Former President, Andersen Consulting Inc.; Partner, SGV; President, FINEX

Nono Felipe, CEO, Mp3Manila

Manuel Tordesillas, President & CEO, ATR Kim Eng Capital Partners

Ruben Jimenez, SVP, ABS-CBN

Manuel Quiogue, President & COO, GMA Marketing; CEO, ABS-CBN Narrowcast Group; former CEO of ABS-CBN Studio 23

Elena Delgado, President & CEO, Irwin Home Equity

Antonio Aquino, President, Manila Water Company

Rene Tenazas, President, iMergence Technologies (Rutherford, NJ)

James ****, President, Federation of Filipino-Chinese Chambers of Commerce & Industry, Inc.

Asterio Favis, Director & SVP, AB Capital and Investment Corp.; EVP of PNB.

Roger Zenarosa, EVP, PNB

Samie Lim, President, Phil. Franchise Association

Enrique Santos, President & CEO, Pygmallion Systems, Inc.

Nicasio Alcantara, Chairman, ALSONS; Chairman, Petron

Teodora Marasigan, President & CEO, M&S International Business Consultants, Inc.

Albert Zenarosa, Chairman of ASCOJA; President of PHILJEFA

Mark Ira, President & CEO, JPComm Center (Connecticut, USA)

Jovino Lorenzo, President, National Development Corp.; Vice Chairman & Former President, Citadel Holdings, Isla Communications, Coonsolidated Industrial Gases Inc.

Alex Villamar, President, Philweb.com; former President & CEO, Major Telecoms, Inc., Philcom Corp, DATELCO Global Communications & Metro Kidapawan Telephone Co.

Carlos Arellano, Chairman, President & CEO, Social Security System

Enrique Herrera-Davila, former President & CEO, Ayala Leasing Co; Makati Leasing & Finance Co.

Jose Faustino, Vice Chairman, FRANCORP Philippines

Henry Leung, President, Petrochemicals Corporation of Asia Pacific

Nicardo Pascua, Vice Chairman, President & CEO, First Pacific

Mikko Perez, Founding CEO, The Stellar Foods; CFO of Chikka

Edward Go, Executive Director of Global Business Bank; former President of Bankers Association of the Philippines; President of Management Association of the Philippines; Chairman & CEO, China Banking Corp.; President & COO, Asian Bank Corp.; Member of the Ateneo Board of Trustees

Arthur Palou, Sugarcane baron

Jose Tuazon, Real Estate baron

Ramon Yulo, Real Estate baron (Canlubang Estates, etc.)

Emmanuel Gonzalez, Founder & CEO, Plantation Bay Holdings Corp.

Benjamin de Leon, CEO, National Life Insurance Co.

Roberto Guevara, President & CEO, Seed Capital Corp.; President, Guevent (owner of Volkswagen Franchise); President, Radiowealth Finance Co. (HK) Ltd.

Benjamin Guevara, President, Wack-Wack Golf & Country Club

Carlos V. Tria, Jr., President, ABS-CBN News Channel; Managing Director, Integrated Broadband Services; Managing Director, Benpres Holdings Corporation

Elpidio Ibanez, President & COO, First Philippine Holdings Corporation

Jose P. De Jesus, President, Manila North Tollways Corp.

Jeffrey Yao, Director of the following companies: Solmac Marketing, Inc.; Harman Foods (Phils) Inc.; Amchem Marketing , Inc.; Semexco Marketing Corp.; SMI Developmrent Corp.; Zesto Corp.; Americasn Brands (Phils) Inc.

Jose Trinidad, CEO, World Dominion Netcorp.

Guillermo Carague, Secretary, Dept. of Budget & Management; Member, Monetary Board of the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas; Partner, SGV

Dan Lachica, President, Intel Philippines

Frederick Dael, former Chairman & CEO, Isla Comunications Co. Inc.; President & CEO, CEOs, Inc.

Felipe Alfonso, Vice-Chairman, Manila Electric Co.; Vice-Chairman, Asian Institute of Management

Virgilio Pena, former President & General Manager, IBM Philippines; President & Managing Director, San Miguel Brewery International.

Vicente Ramirez, President, Mercator Finance Co.; President, PNB Leasing

Lance Gokongwei (Xavier GS, HS), President & CEO, Cebu Pacific Air; CEO, Cambridge Electronics, Inc.

Victor Limlingan, Managing Director, Cristina Research Foundation, Regina Capital Development Corp., and Visa Development Corp.

Tomas Lopez, President & CEO, Club Noah Group of Companies

Mario Tanchangco, President & CEO, Professional Fire Protection Mgt., Inc.

Robert Yupangco (Ateneo MBA), President & CEO, Yupangco Corporation. Yamaha Corporation (Phil)

Francis Cezar Perez, President & CEO, Datablade, Inc.

Edgardo Espiritu, Chairman, Land Bank of the Phil.; former President, CEO & Vice-Chairman, Westmont Bank; Director, First Pacific Fund; Chairman, Philippine News; Chairman, NAPOCOR; President, PNB; Chairman, Century Holding Corp.; President, Metropolitan Bank & Trust Co.; President, International Bank of California; Director, Century Bank (California)

Dino Gil, President & General Manager, Citipharma

Dato' Mohd. Ghazali Bin Mohd. Khalid. Chairman, Golden Frontier Berhad.

Galo Garchitorena, former President & CEO, QUEDANCAR; founder, Quedan Guarantee Fund Board; acknowledged as the Father of Quedan Agri-Credit System.

Ernesto Boydon, President & CEO, Inobbar Technologies Corp.

Gabino Mendoza, Chairman, Allied Metals, Inc.; Director-Treasurer, Foodmach, Inc.; Director, PHINMA and NCR (Phil.)

Felipe Alfonso, Chairman, Manila Electric Company; Vice Chairman, First Metro Investment Corp.; member of the boards of Benpres Holdings, Jollibee Foods Corp., Bacnotan Cement Corp., Coca-Cola Foundation of the Phil., Makati Commercial Estates Association, Wockhardt Limited of India, Chemoil Asia, Phinma and Chase H&Q (Phil.)

Fritz Server, Chairman, RFM

Ramon Jacinto, Chairman, Jacinto Group

Martin Ignacio Lorenzo, General Manager & CEO, Macondray & Co.

Gregorio Araneta (the patriarch), Founder, The Araneta Group

Luis Araneta, President, The Araneta Group

Federick Go, EVP, Robinsons Land Corporation

Ramon Ilusorio, Chairman, Multinational Investment Bancorporation, Real Estate Mogul

Cecilio Pedro, Chairman & CEO, Lamoiyan Corp.

Victor Soliven, Founder & Owner, V.V. Soliven, Real Estate Mogul

Alexandra Ramos, President, Powerbooks

Jose Mendoza, President & General Manager, Lucent Technologies South Asia

Jocelyn Jalandoni-Perez, Finance Director, The Phinma Group of Companies

Beatriz Delgado-Padilla, Former CFO, Islacom

Jose Z. Oledan, Owner of Oledan Building (Ayala Ave.), Real Estate Baron, Philippine Ambassador to Spain.

Zamy Zamora, President, Consumer Bank

Carlos Dominguez, President & CEO, PASAR

Atom Henares, President & CEO, Progressive Broadcasting Corporation; CEO, NU107

Ronnie Henares, President & CEO, Primeline, Inc.

Boyboy Reyes, President & CEO, PENTA Capital

Benny Medrano, Owner, Sports Grille

Paquito Tanjangco, Pwner, Tender Bob's Steak House

Boy Aurelio, Owner, Aurelio's Steak

Jose Alonte, Head, Franklin Baker Company (Kraft Food Philippines.)

Anna Irmina Navarrete-Elicano, General Manager, Shangri-La Plaza Corporation

Antonio de Joya, former Chairman, AMA-DDB Needham Worldwide, Inc.

Jose Alberto Alba, President, Prudentialife Group

Art Borjal, Founder, The Philippine Star; President of Philippine Star

Jose Ong, Owner, Food Sphere Inc. (Maker of CDO Food Products)

Simon Roces Paterno, President, Development Bank of the Philippines

Ma. Nieves Confesor, Dean, Asian Institute of Management (first woman dean of AIM).

TO BE CONTINUED


A T E N E O: The Harvard, MIT & OXBRIDGE of the Philippines :spinstar::spinstar::spinstar:

[Limasawa]

More alumni of Ateneo de Manila:

George Javier
Kris Aquino
Joseph Ejercito Estrada
Willie Revillame

(to be continued)

By the way, paki-edit nung listahan mo. Kalahati yata nung listahan mo La Sallista na ninakaw niyo nanaman.

[tianak_me]

Yeah he should edit. For one, the founder of Meralco is a UP Law graduate.

[KuyaDanny]

I thought I would never see that list again. Could the corresponding La Salle list be close behind?

[wowmygoodness]

Stirling, thanks for the links. Really helpful.

And yes, it was surprising to see that "The Academe" boards were filled with people bashing one another, when the information is what is important.

Essentially, we all should just try and help each other out. Sayang lang, its not a perfect world.

Thanks uli.

[Dennis21]

Go to UP if I were you. the best talaga ang business course ng UP. Makikita naman sa grad nila. at prestigous na, mura pa kaya great deal talaga.

re: security naman, maraming rick kids sa UP especially sa college of business ad at hindi naman sila na kidnap or na harm so, hindi talaga issue ang security sa UP.

[Dennis21]

1. Andres Soriano, founder/head, San Miguel Corporation, The Soriano Group of Companies

2. Andrew Gotianun, Jr., (Xavier GS, HS, Ateneo BSME72/73), Director, Filinvest Development Corporation; Filinvest Holdings Corp.

3. Lisa Gokongwei, President & Publisher (CEO), Summit Publishing (The Manila Times)

4. Gregorio Araneta (the patriarch), Founder, The Araneta Group

5. Ma. Nieves Confesor, Dean, Asian Institute of Management (first woman dean of AIM).

Natawa ako sa list nya. hindi ako sure sa iba kasi hindi ko pa nadining ang name nila pero yung number:

1. is a La Salle grad
2. He did not attend formal school. basta i read somewhere that he did not finish college education. His wife though was a magna cum laude grad of UP Diliman. She is actually the brain of filinvest. sa totoo lang, may utang pa sa amin ang filinvest. more than 6 years na yang utang na yan. :D
3. Lisa Gokongwei is an alumna of UP College of Arts and Letters.
4. Gregorio Araneta is also an alumnus of UP.
5. Nieves Confesor is an alumna of Miriam College.

[bleep01]

^^
Ateneo "more Capitalistic" than UP?

- which school has an economics department that has been advocating free trade and removal of tariffs for many years? UP. The Jesuits in your campus seem to be wary of this. Baket kaya? I thought you were more capitalistic.. hehe

- which school is planning to construct a modern shopping mall?
- which school has a hotel inside its campus?
- which university bids out movie screenings every now and then?
- which university gives permits to clothing sale almost every week?
- which university holds concerts from time to time, sponsored by radio companies and telecoms giants alike?
- from which school are the defending champions in the recent finance (ICFC), accounting, case presentation, and marketing (Agora Youth Awards) competitions.
- where is the Development Center for Finance?
- where is the Ayala Technology Business Incubation facility?
-which school offers the only Master in Technology Management program in the country?
- from which engineering department can you find research labs with tie-ups with corporations like Intel, Texas Instruments, IMI, Yamatake-Honeywell?
-from which physics department can you find labs with tie-ups with Intel and Nokia?

ANSWER: UP DILIMAN

- what UP Diliman offers is not a "one-course" ideology. It offers diversity. It recognizes an Atheist Circle as well as YFC. It gives tambayans to LFS and JMA alike.

And believe me, it's always fun debating with "tibaks". Walden Bello's children versus Gerardo Sicat's babies.

Btw, are registration system is more "capitalistic". Hehe. The higher the priority ranking is the higher the chance you get to enlist the subject. Just like the market. The higher the price you are willing to pay for a good, the greater the chance you will get it. Unlike our neighbors', where they depend on pure luck. Their students are given numbers. Duh! I thought you have the best computer science department

Well said!!!
Proud to be Iskolar ng Bayan!!!

[mr. yotsuya]

did you apply in BE instead of BAA? my barkada is a BAA grad from UP. it really suited him well. Walang kahirap hirap maghanap ng work (and magpalipat lipat ng work i might add...hehe). siya pa ang hinahanap ng companies. Sometimes napapaisip nga ako na mali course ko e.

[mr. yotsuya]

i find listing the graduates of each school pretty weird. For an Ateneo list, there is an equivalent Lasalle and UP list of course. i guess i'm biased myself since my friends are from UPBAA but i realized hinde pala objective yun and useless for your decision making. My point is, my friend may not be a Manny Pangilinan, but i think he's doing pretty well pa rin naman with his UP education.


nasa tao pa rin talaga if he'll succeed IMO and you shouldn't compare yourself with the great alumnis. You can use them as your inspiration but using them as basis for your school is not good IMO kasi out of one successful graduate, i'm pretty sure there are a lot of graduates who are failures too. of course hinde na natin sila nababalitaan.

just check this out and get all the information you need :
UP BAA
http://www.upd.edu.ph/~cba/admin_PRIMA.htm
UP Econ
http://www.econ.upd.edu.ph/home/index.php
Ateneo
http://www.ateneo.edu/som/index.htm

i suggest you check out each college's research output. I think each site has them. IMO the number (and quality) of published research is a good indication of the quality of the school and its students. You can also check out the quality of the faculty. The number of Professors can also be a factor.

finally, if you can, check out the curriculum and compare it. maybe you can ask the people here about certain subjects that you are interested in. I think that would make for better decision making than my first post.

[Xtrapolate]

Just sharing. Here's a brief sampling of ATENEANS who have been/are successful in business. The list needs to be updated, but we might run out of space in PEx.

Enjoy!

________________________________
[i]
Andres Soriano, founder/head, San Miguel Corporation, The Soriano Group of Companies

Eugenio Lopez, founder of Meralco, Benpres, ABS-CBN, Rockwell Holdings, etc.


I must admit that's a very impressive roster of Ateneans. I am a student in UC Berkeley. I know quite a few Ateneans here, and they are all performing well as students.

[Limasawa]

The Few, Loud, and Proud La Sallian Owners of Business Empires:


John Gokongwei, JG Summit, John Gokongwei School of Management in Ateneo
(The pride of the Loyola Campus is named after a LaSallian)

Jaime Zobel de Ayala, Ayala Corporation

Don Paquito Ortigas, Ortigas Center

Jorge Araneta, Araneta Center

Enrique Zobel

Danding Cojuangco, San Miguel Corporation

Jose Concepcion Jr., RFM Corporation

Virgil Villavicencio, Triple V, Kamayan, Dad's, Saisaki

Mr. Soong, Rack's, Jaguar Philippines


Other La Sallian Business Leaders:

Roberto de Ocampo, former finance minister, main cast of the 1997 La Salle Animo Video

Mr. Madrid, CEO - Pru Life of U.K.

Many CEOs in the Philippines are La Sallians.


La Sallians in other fields:

Benigno Aquino Jr.
Capt. Jesus Villamor, WWII Hero
Eduardo Manzano, Vice - Mayor of Makati
Ralph Recto, House of Representatives
Babe Ruth, US Baseball Legend


A few names in the list are incomplete, your legitimate corrections are highly appreciated. You may also add more.

Note that the biggest commercial centers in Metro Manila are owned by La Sallians.


Ako kaya, kailan kaya ako nanakawin ng Ateneo na alumni daw nila?

[paralusi]

Note that the biggest commercial centers in Metro Manila are owned by La Sallians.

kawawa naman pala kami. one of our better graduates was a mere "son of a grocer."

[camerlengo]

dlsu alumni own the companies
admu alumni are the presidents
up alumni are the company think tanks

[pulang leon]

I heard a lot of MBA students/executives from ADMU's MBA program who felt they were ripped off by their program, and now regret their decision of going to the school. Ateneo is a social science/arts school, not a business school. They're one of the best in teaching philosophy, english, history, stuffs like that. UP on the other hand has an accounting department which passing rate in the CPA exams rivals ateneo's passing rate in the bar exams. Ateneo only has business classes that are pre-requisites to their other upper division classes but they're not really into business. They probably don't even offer an accounting degree, which is very important because it is the language of business. If you don't know the roots of accounting, then how can anyone expect you to fully understand business? If ateneo offers an accounting degree, well it's never heard of. Because I don't see them in the list of schools that have a high passing rate every CPA Board exams nor in the topnotcher lists, like UP has. DLSU is good, so is UST, and so is UP. Ateneo may have a Masters in Business Administration program, and I'm not saying they're that bad, but it just doesn't mean that Ateneo's MBA program exist because of their roots in teaching business. They don't have those essential roots. They're only in it for the business (of making money). And that's probably why their students feel that they are getting ripped off, because they paid money expecting they could learn more than the basic stuffs from the name ateneo.

I'm not saying that ateneo has no right to teach business in the graduate level. They're new in it. In time, they'll probably be better than some other schools. Maybe, because without the undergraduate roots of business, it will be very very difficult to be good at it. So if I have to pick which MBA program I'd go to between UP and Ateneo, I'd pick the one that understands the business from the ground-up in teaching business. I'd definitely go to UP.

**Just read the previous posts, ****, daming gulo/away at pangalan ng alumni. lol. Daanin na lang natin kaya sa basketball. May mga nag-panggap pang mga taga UC Berkeley. Cal students don't start with "I must admit..." We can't expect ourselves to move up as a whole or even as an individual if we pretend to be what we're not or use names of other schools who has established names and somehow connect it to our own.. talk about social climbing. So you shouldn't say Ateneo is the Harvard, Oxford, or MIT (though you're no better than Mapua in engineering, etc., or does your school even offer engineering? which is one of the many things MIT is known for?) in the Philippines. Where's the pride in that?? You're glorifying their names even more and make Ateneo's name seem more like "saling-pusa". Instead, you should say: "San Beda is not the Harvard of the Philippines, but Harvard is the San Beda of the East in the USA." "Stanford is the San Beda of the North." "Oxford is the San Beda of England." And in business: "Wharton is the San Beda of the United States."

[atenean_blooded]

I heard a lot of MBA students/executives from ADMU's MBA program who felt they were ripped off by their program, and now regret their decision of going to the school. Ateneo is a social science/arts school, not a business school. They're one of the best in teaching philosophy, english, history, stuffs like that. UP on the other hand has an accounting department which passing rate in the CPA exams rivals ateneo's passing rate in the bar exams. Ateneo only has business classes that are pre-requisites to their other upper division classes but they're not really into business. They probably don't even offer an accounting degree, which is very important because it is the language of business. If you don't know the roots of accounting, then how can anyone expect you to fully understand business? If ateneo offers an accounting degree, well it's never heard of. Because I don't see them in the list of schools that have a high passing rate every CPA Board exams nor in the topnotcher lists, like UP has. DLSU is good, so is UST, and so is UP. Ateneo may have a Masters in Business Administration program, and I'm not saying they're that bad, but it just doesn't mean that Ateneo's MBA program exist because of their roots in teaching business. They don't have those essential roots. They're only in it for the business (of making money). And that's probably why their students feel that they are getting ripped off, because they paid money expecting they could learn more than the basic stuffs from the name ateneo.

I'm not saying that ateneo has no right to teach business in the graduate level. They're new in it. In time, they'll probably be better than some other schools. Maybe, because without the undergraduate roots of business, it will be very very difficult to be good at it. So if I have to pick which MBA program I'd go to between UP and Ateneo, I'd pick the one that understands the business from the ground-up in teaching business. I'd definitely go to UP.

**Just read the previous posts, ****, daming gulo/away at pangalan ng alumni. lol. Daanin na lang natin kaya sa basketball. May mga nag-panggap pang mga taga UC Berkeley. Cal students don't start with "I must admit..." We can't expect ourselves to move up as a whole or even as an individual if we pretend to be what we're not or use names of other schools who has established names and somehow connect it to our own.. talk about social climbing. So you shouldn't say Ateneo is the Harvard, Oxford, or MIT (though you're no better than Mapua in engineering, etc., or does your school even offer engineering? which is one of the many things MIT is known for?) in the Philippines. Where's the pride in that?? You're glorifying their names even more and make Ateneo's name seem more like "saling-pusa". Instead, you should say: "San Beda is not the Harvard of the Philippines, but Harvard is the San Beda of the East in the USA." "Stanford is the San Beda of the North." "Oxford is the San Beda of England." And in business: "Wharton is the San Beda of the United States."

Points:

1. How can you say that the Ateneo is "not a business school" but rather a "social science/arts school?"

2. Qualify how the business classes offered are merely pre-requisites and are "not really into business."

3. There is a clear rational as to why the Ateneo has chosen not to offer an accounting degree. The Ateneo's programs are geared toward entrepreneurship and general management, which explains, why there are no degrees offered that merely pertain to particular functional areas such as accounting, marketing, finance, and so on. Rather, these areas are delved into by each program, with options for specialization available to students through concentration programs. You obviously have never experienced accounting at the Ateneo.

And the general management thrust isn't exactly something bad. How else would one account for the success of Ateneo business graduates? Again, this may be because this thrust is consistent with the whole liberal education that the Ateneo is known for. Wouldn't it be weird for the Ateneo to suddenly develop a regimented, super-specialized undergraduate business program when business is, for all intents and purposes, multi-disciplinary?

4. The Ateneo isn't exactly new to teaching business at the graduate level. In my opinion, what really killed a lot of opportunities for the Ateneo Graduate School of Business is the fact that the Ateneo signed the consortium deal which gave birth to the Asian Institute of Management. If all the Atenean faculty there were to teach at the AGSB, then the AGSB just might be one of the top business schools for graduate students.

However, I must admit that UP CBA's MBA program is a great option if you're choosing to take up an MBA in the Philippines. Just this afternoon, I was trading stories with Helena Valderrama, the chair of the Finance and Accounting department. Lots of interesting stories.

5. You seem to be able to speak with confidence that CAL students don't begin with "I must admit..." Can you qualify and quantify for us please?

[Stirling]

Wala ka na bang ibang masabi liban sa "can you qualify?" :glee:

He's stating his opinions about how "bulok" de Ateneo is in a subtle way and I think his points are excellent.


They're only in it for the business (of making money). And that's probably why their students feel that they are getting ripped off

[Ultra_MegaStar]

^ ^ They are only "excellent" from the point of view of Ateneo bashers -- that is, those who did not quite make it in Ateneo and are jealous of the "Harvard, MIT and Oxbridge of the Orient."

[Bright_Blue]

Originally Posted by MacTurd
Just sharing. Here's a brief sampling of ATENEANS who have been/are successful in business. The list needs to be updated, but we might run out of space in PEx.

Enjoy!

________________________________

Andres Soriano, founder/head, San Miguel Corporation, The Soriano Group of Companies

Eugenio Lopez, founder of Meralco, Benpres, ABS-CBN, Rockwell Holdings, etc.


indeed, we are the best in ASIA! mamatay kayo sa inggit! nyahahahahaha

[atenean_blooded]

Wala ka na bang ibang masabi liban sa "can you qualify?" :glee:


That's an important part of education. Didn't the professors in your UK school require the same from you? :D

[Stirling]

^
You don't need to "qualify" the obvious. Doing that would be redundant even stupidity at best!

[atenean_blooded]

Being "obvious" is relative, hence, the need for proper qualification.

This is true, even in mathematics.

[intensity1214.]

if "proper qualification" were part of school bashing, yakang-yaka 'yan ni esterleng.

:)

[Limasawa]

Natawa ako sa list nya. hindi ako sure sa iba kasi hindi ko pa nadining ang name nila pero yung number:

1. is a La Salle grad
2. He did not attend formal school. basta i read somewhere that he did not finish college education. His wife though was a magna cum laude grad of UP Diliman. She is actually the brain of filinvest. sa totoo lang, may utang pa sa amin ang filinvest. more than 6 years na yang utang na yan. :D
3. Lisa Gokongwei is an alumna of UP College of Arts and Letters.
4. Gregorio Araneta is also an alumnus of UP.
5. Nieves Confesor is an alumna of Miriam College.

May sariling mundo ang mga Atenista. They have their own version of history, biographies, and alumni list. Their archives ought to be called the Goya Fun Factory.

[Caloy_O]

I passed BAA in UP diliman and ME in the Ateneo. If I did not qualify for the INTARMED, I would have gone to UP BAA.

[Limasawa]

"A T E N E O: The Harvard, MIT & OXBRIDGE of the Philippines"

Napaka-insular mo mag-isip. Hanggang Asia lang ang Ateneo, is that what you mean? Outside the continent, Ateneo lang kayo. Dito lang sa Asia kayo Harvard. That is if you think your better than universities in Japan and Singapore (who occupy more slots in Asia's top 50 by the way and non by the ADMU-Truly Asia haha!)

[Gangreen]

I am not a business major, but if I were one, I'll choose Ateneo over UP. I think, in business the choice is really between Ateneo and DLSU, and Ateneo is still better than DLSU.

[bouncybanana]

I am not a business major, but if I were one, I'll choose Ateneo over UP. I think, in business the choice is really between Ateneo and DLSU, and Ateneo is still better than DLSU.

can i have your reasons for choosing ateneo? i'm having a hard time choosing between which college to go to...

[Stirling]

Being "obvious" is relative, hence, the need for proper qualification.

This is true, even in mathematics.
Not in this case. A green is green. A maroon is maroon. a blue is blue.
if you're seeing the obvious, you would see that a maroon is maroon, not blue, unless you're 1. blind, or 2. you pretend to be blind.

if you're number one, you need an ophthalmologist. if you're number 2, you're stupid.

[intensity1214.]

basagulero vs. basagulero = basag-ulo.

:)

[Craig_North]

UP is the best :no: If you want to win contest deateneo :naughty:

[atenean_blooded]

Not in this case. A green is green. A maroon is maroon. a blue is blue.
if you're seeing the obvious, you would see that a maroon is maroon, not blue, unless you're 1. blind, or 2. you pretend to be blind.

if you're number one, you need an ophthalmologist. if you're number 2, you're stupid.

Your use of colors as an analogy is flawed. Your stringent "green = green" "maroon = maroon" "blue = blue" argument falls short of capturing the essence of what qualification I was asking for. If you reread my asking for qualifications, there I was asking for the logical reasons for a particular conclusion, which come from a variety of things, not just things that correspond 1:1.

And if you want to talk about your colors, just for the sake of amusement, can you differentiate, using a color spectrum or some other quantifiable measure, mauve, maroon, and crimson?

[wichita_kansas1]

kung bisaya ka, sa UP ka bagay. you can easily get along with your classmates.

If you have the brain, the money and you want to be part of the elite circle of Management graduates, go for the best, go to The Ateneo!

[Craig_North]

kung bisaya ka, sa UP ka bagay. you can easily get along with your classmates.

If you have the brain, the money and you want to be part of the elite circle of Management graduates, go for the best, go to The Ateneo!


Elite circle of what??? :ferocious: UPCAT rejects and contest pirates :crazytongue: Kayabangan :eyecrazy:

[zureee]

Imho, it depends...

quality of educ: UP

BUT

as the saying goes: "it is not what u know, but who u know..."

so 4 connections: ateneo

It's your choice.

[atenean_blooded]

^^

That must be quite an innovative chemistry class, teaching you how to make hamburger dressing and spaghetti sauce.

Seriously, though, I think Tony Tancacktiong's a great guy. Got to meet him personally already.

[mac_bolan00]

^^
liar! tony t. doesn't meet with his crewmen in the branches! :lol:

[Thoma§]

huh? tony tan-caktiong graduated chemical engineering from UST and not chemistry. halatang hindi tomasino.

[pulang leon]

Points:

1. How can you say that the Ateneo is "not a business school" but rather a "social science/arts school?"

2. Qualify how the business classes offered are merely pre-requisites and are "not really into business."

3. There is a clear rational as to why the Ateneo has chosen not to offer an accounting degree. The Ateneo's programs are geared toward entrepreneurship and general management, which explains, why there are no degrees offered that merely pertain to particular functional areas such as accounting, marketing, finance, and so on. Rather, these areas are delved into by each program, with options for specialization available to students through concentration programs. You obviously have never experienced accounting at the Ateneo.

And the general management thrust isn't exactly something bad. How else would one account for the success of Ateneo business graduates? Again, this may be because this thrust is consistent with the whole liberal education that the Ateneo is known for. Wouldn't it be weird for the Ateneo to suddenly develop a regimented, super-specialized undergraduate business program when business is, for all intents and purposes, multi-disciplinary?

4. The Ateneo isn't exactly new to teaching business at the graduate level. In my opinion, what really killed a lot of opportunities for the Ateneo Graduate School of Business is the fact that the Ateneo signed the consortium deal which gave birth to the Asian Institute of Management. If all the Atenean faculty there were to teach at the AGSB, then the AGSB just might be one of the top business schools for graduate students.

However, I must admit that UP CBA's MBA program is a great option if you're choosing to take up an MBA in the Philippines. Just this afternoon, I was trading stories with Helena Valderrama, the chair of the Finance and Accounting department. Lots of interesting stories.

5. You seem to be able to speak with confidence that CAL students don't begin with "I must admit..." Can you qualify and quantify for us please?

Points:

1. Common sense, "LOOK AT YOUR CURRICULUM"

2. Look at MY answer above (no. 1) and to YOUR point number 3, you answered it yourself. Read your last sentence on your point no. 3, where you "exaggerated" in describing a real major course with the word "super". An "accounting major" is just a regular major as a "nursing major", it's not a "super-specialized" undergraduate program. It's simply a specialization, not "super-specialization". Some school who offer it may seem to hard or "super" to ateneans when it comes to business, that's understandable because it's either alien to you, overwhelming to you, or maybe simply because "the ateneo" is lacking in it, but it's not really considered "super" to many schools who has it.

3. Again, di ko alam kung bakit kailangan pa ng ateneo magpalusot dito at sabihin na mas tamang decision na walang accounting program at dapat "multi-disciplinary" ang dapat ituro. This is okay, like I said, if you're in like pre-requisites type of major just like what ateneo offers. When I took business law, our law teacher said we'll learn every little bit of everything about law, like a "multi-disciplinary" subject on constitutional, criminal, civil, business law, etc. because "law" is a deep subject that's why it takes lawyers 4 years to finish the specialized degree.

Now ateneans or atenean blooded students would say "multi-disciplinary" is better, yeah, sure, if you're not going to be that serious in business, i mean, if u want to learn a "little bit" of everything, and you'll find it at "the ateneo", "little bits" of some things. UC Berkeley has an accounting program, so does USC, and the rest of "BEST UNDERGRAD BUSINESS SCHOOL IN THE WORLD". There is not one on the list of the Best Undergrad Business School without an accounting degree.. it just doesn't make sense... the ateneo and ateneans, "THEY BELIEVE" they do make a good business school with the little bits instead of the "deep" specialization of study in a certain subject, which truly they lack, but they like to believe in everything they want to believe in... they believe they can be one of the bests with the little bits that they learn, which is pretty dangerous for a school to put that in their students mind...

4. If there was an atenean at AIS, I'm sure he/she was not teaching a specialized subject... and if he/she was, i'm 100% sure that he/she DID NOT learn it in the Ateneo... because me, the ateneo, and the ateneans are a 100% sure that the ateneo is not teaching the specialized business subject... you said it yourself too... and that's the truth, "ATENEO DOES NOT HAVE (SUPER) SPECIALIZED UNDERGRAD BUSINESS PROGRAMS" like i'm 100% sure that there has never been a CPA from ADMU since kopong-kopong or since.. 1859?? and that's why i still don't get why ateneans are the ones who are proclaiming it (that they don't have a specialized business program), but they are the very ones who don't believe it either... (that they're not a REAL business school, like UP, UST, or DLSU that has specialized business programs) they're consfused.. why can't they just admit the fact that they really are no business schools at tama na ang palusot... tama na din ang mga pantasya, na... "if ateneans at AIS where teaching in ateneo, they will be like this or that..." welcome to reality ateneans, they're not teaching in ateneo, so stop dreaming that your school may be like AIM or that your school is a business school.. it's not! AIM President is a Bedan but you don't hear bedans whine about fictionary situations like ateneans do... we don't whine "AIM president should've been san beda's MBA programs dean or president, so would be aacsb accredited too, etc." bedans live in reality while ateneans live in fantansies...

5. "I must admit..." this phrase is an over-used phrase by Filipinos "who" grew up in the Philippines, same with the phrase "in fairness", which was made famous by atenean Kris Aquino in her TV shows... If that phrase was ever used in essays, etc., in english speaking countries, any english teacher would put a big "X" on that and right beside it would say "re-phrase"...

"Qualify and quantify" for you? Now, what the heck does that mean?!?? Is that the new phrase the ateneo community is trying to make famous again after "in fairness"? (in fairness to what? or to whom? it's supposed to be used with comparison) It sounds good but do you know what you're talking about?? Don't use it just because it sounds good or just because it rhymes.. Qualify who for what, what category, what description, for what?? When you said "quantify", I'm guessing you want me to tell you how many cal students i know who uses it? ZERO. Does that answer your question? Zero. Nada! My close friend went to berkeley and i did hang out and talked with his friends and never heard anyone made as starting "trying-hard" english of a comment as "I must admit..."

Don't start a new phrase that's idiotic, baka kunin at gamitin yan ni Kris sa TV, our poor Filipino citizen who wants to learn proper english might learn it from Kris Aquino on TV... baka bigla niyan sabihin sa show niya, "Sure ka na ba sa sagot mo? Bakit yan ang sagot mo, sige nga, Qualify and Quantify mo nga?" And the rest of the Filipino are made stupider by her because of a phrase that started by you in your community...

[MacTurd]

Yung mga KSP na hindi kasali sa Big 2 o Big 3 o Big 4, pwede ba tigilan ang pag-ge-gate crash sa discussion dito. Dun na lang kayo sa NCAA or Small Talk fora. Mas bagay kayo dun. Bawas-bawasan ang pagka-social climber. Mag-rally na lang kayo. :naughty:

[DescartesCB2000]

Mcturd itama mo ang listings mo.

Diosdado Banatao got his undergraduate degree from MAPUA- BS Electr ical Engineering and his Masters Degree from STANFORD University.
Pag nag Grade 2 ka sa Ateneo eh Deateneo ka na ba. Ayusin ang listahan walang dagdagan baka may NAMFREL diyan. :eyecrazy: :diablo:

[MacTurd]

^ Ang daming naiinggit sa Ateneo, "The Harvard, MIT and Oxbridge of the Orient."

And rightfully so. Kasi the Best eh.

Daming crabs and talangka.

Study hard na lang kayo at magsumikap para maging "rich and famous" din kayo tulad ng mga Atenista. That way, you won't envy us so much.

Ateneo: Pride of the Philippines; Envy of the Losers
:rpflag:

[atenean_blooded]

Points:

1. Common sense, "LOOK AT YOUR CURRICULUM"

Common sense?

Qualify. Quantify. (see explanation below)


2. Look at MY answer above (no. 1) and to YOUR point number 3, you answered it yourself. Read your last sentence on your point no. 3, where you "exaggerated" in describing a real major course with the word "super". An "accounting major" is just a regular major as a "nursing major", it's not a "super-specialized" undergraduate program. It's simply a specialization, not "super-specialization". Some school who offer it may seem to hard or "super" to ateneans when it comes to business, that's understandable because it's either alien to you, overwhelming to you, or maybe simply because "the ateneo" is lacking in it, but it's not really considered "super" to many schools who has it.



So it's exaggerated. But that's to make a point. (If you don't get it yet, please think a bit more).



3. Again, di ko alam kung bakit kailangan pa ng ateneo magpalusot dito at sabihin na mas tamang decision na walang accounting program at dapat "multi-disciplinary" ang dapat ituro. This is okay, like I said, if you're in like pre-requisites type of major just like what ateneo offers. When I took business law, our law teacher said we'll learn every little bit of everything about law, like a "multi-disciplinary" subject on constitutional, criminal, civil, business law, etc. because "law" is a deep subject that's why it takes lawyers 4 years to finish the specialized degree.

Now ateneans or atenean blooded students would say "multi-disciplinary" is better, yeah, sure, if you're not going to be that serious in business, i mean, if u want to learn a "little bit" of everything, and you'll find it at "the ateneo", "little bits" of some things. UC Berkeley has an accounting program, so does USC, and the rest of "BEST UNDERGRAD BUSINESS SCHOOL IN THE WORLD". There is not one on the list of the Best Undergrad Business School without an accounting degree.. it just doesn't make sense... the ateneo and ateneans, "THEY BELIEVE" they do make a good business school with the little bits instead of the "deep" specialization of study in a certain subject, which truly they lack, but they like to believe in everything they want to believe in... they believe they can be one of the bests with the little bits that they learn, which is pretty dangerous for a school to put that in their students mind...


"BEST UNDERGRAD BUSINESS SCHOOL IN THE WORLD?"

Err, the Wharton School does not have an undergraduate degree in Accountancy.

Nor does MIT-Sloan.



4. If there was an atenean at AIS, I'm sure he/she was not teaching a specialized subject... and if he/she was, i'm 100% sure that he/she DID NOT learn it in the Ateneo... because me, the ateneo, and the ateneans are a 100% sure that the ateneo is not teaching the specialized business subject... you said it yourself too... and that's the truth, "ATENEO DOES NOT HAVE (SUPER) SPECIALIZED UNDERGRAD BUSINESS PROGRAMS" like i'm 100% sure that there has never been a CPA from ADMU since kopong-kopong or since.. 1859?? and that's why i still don't get why ateneans are the ones who are proclaiming it (that they don't have a specialized business program), but they are the very ones who don't believe it either... (that they're not a REAL business school, like UP, UST, or DLSU that has specialized business programs) they're consfused.. why can't they just admit the fact that they really are no business schools at tama na ang palusot... tama na din ang mga pantasya, na... "if ateneans at AIS where teaching in ateneo, they will be like this or that..." welcome to reality ateneans, they're not teaching in ateneo, so stop dreaming that your school may be like AIM or that your school is a business school.. it's not! AIM President is a Bedan but you don't hear bedans whine about fictionary situations like ateneans do... we don't whine "AIM president should've been san beda's MBA programs dean or president, so would be aacsb accredited too, etc." bedans live in reality while ateneans live in fantansies...



Ad hominem. Non sequitur.

So you mean to tell me that the Wharton School is not a real business school based on your above arguments?

The point is, why dabble into a particular specialization in a particular functional area? That might work if you're going to be an employee, or a corporate mogul in a particular department. But the general curriculum is broad enough for you to get to look at everything, which you can then focus in by taking minor concentrations in particular areas (Finance, Marketing, Decision Science, IT, International Business, etc.). I don't think you understand it. Ho-hum.

AIM President (from www.aim.edu.ph)

"Roberto F. De Ocampo
President

Mr. Roberto F. De Ocampo is the current president of the Asian Institute of Management. From 1992 – 98, he served as Secretary of Finance under President Fidel V. Ramos and was widely recognized as the principal architect of the resurgence of the Philippine economy.

Pres. de Ocampo began his career in public service in 1972 by pioneering the rural electrification program. He was then recognized as the youngest administrator in the history of the national government and received the Ten Outstanding Young Men of the Philippines (TOYM) award in 1975. After working as a senior loan officer at the World Bank, he was appointed chairman and CEO of the Development Bank of the Philippines (DBP) in 1989. Under his leadership, the DBP won national and international recognition and was named “the world’s second soundest bank” by The Banker magazine. For his groundbreaking initiatives in the field of development banking, he was presented with the very first “Man of the Year Award” by the Association of Development Finance Institutions in the Asia-Pacific (ADFIAF) in 1997.

As Secretary of Finance, Pres. de Ocampo introduced and implemented a number of landmark policies and measures, particularly in the areas of economic liberalization, privatization and tax reform. This resulted in the Philippines’ return to international capital markets after a decade-long absence, the first fiscal surplus in twenty years, and an unprecedented and sustained combination of healthy economic growth, low interest rates and single-digit inflation. The liberalization of the banking and insurance industries opened up these sectors to foreign investment for the first time and marked the exit of the Philippines from a nearly continuous thirty years of IMF economic rehabilitation and reform programs.

By 1995, these accomplishments were hailed by the international finance community. He was named “Finance Minister of the Year” by Euromoney magazine -- the first Filipino and first ASEAN finance minister to be so recognized. He was chosen in 1996 by Euromoney as “Finance Minister of the Year,” and in 1997, he was again cited as “Asian Finance Minister of the Year,” this time by the Asiamoney magazine.

Pres. de Ocampo is a much sought-after speaker at international conferences and acts as advisor on Asian and international economic matters. In September 2000, he earned another distinction as the first Filipino and the first from the ASEAN to sit in the Trilateral Commission, an organization whose selected membership include distinguished leaders in the fields of business, politics, civil society, the academe, and the media from the European Union, North America and Japan.

A consistent honor student, Pres. de Ocampo graduated from De La Salle College (1962) and the Ateneo de Manila University (1967) where he received his Bachelor of Arts degree in Economics (Cum Laude). He has a Master in Business Administration from the University of Michigan (1970) and a post-graduate diploma from the London School of Economics (1971)."




5. "I must admit..." this phrase is an over-used phrase by Filipinos "who" grew up in the Philippines, same with the phrase "in fairness", which was made famous by atenean Kris Aquino in her TV shows... If that phrase was ever used in essays, etc., in english speaking countries, any english teacher would put a big "X" on that and right beside it would say "re-phrase"...


I never knew English professors were so pretentious. I've never had any problems with English. Do you want me to run through your post?



"Qualify and quantify" for you? Now, what the heck does that mean?!?? Is that the new phrase the ateneo community is trying to make famous again after "in fairness"? (in fairness to what? or to whom? it's supposed to be used with comparison) It sounds good but do you know what you're talking about?? Don't use it just because it sounds good or just because it rhymes.. Qualify who for what, what category, what description, for what?? When you said "quantify", I'm guessing you want me to tell you how many cal students i know who uses it? ZERO. Does that answer your question? Zero. Nada! My close friend went to berkeley and i did hang out and talked with his friends and never heard anyone made as starting "trying-hard" english of a comment as "I must admit..."

Don't start a new phrase that's idiotic, baka kunin at gamitin yan ni Kris sa TV, our poor Filipino citizen who wants to learn proper english might learn it from Kris Aquino on TV... baka bigla niyan sabihin sa show niya, "Sure ka na ba sa sagot mo? Bakit yan ang sagot mo, sige nga, Qualify and Quantify mo nga?" And the rest of the Filipino are made stupider by her because of a phrase that started by you in your community...

Qualify. Quantify.

If you're a business major, you'll probably be used to something like this. After all, shouldn't you be concerned about measurable, quantifiable information and logic when it comes to particular matters like this, instead of resorting to your ad hominem strategy?

[keep_in_touch_]

kung bisaya ka, sa UP ka bagay. you can easily get along with your classmates.

If you have the brain, the money and you want to be part of the elite circle of Management graduates, go for the best, go to The Ateneo!

you're so mean. :bash: not all UPians are bakya naman, ah.

[keep_in_touch_]

Atenean_blooded, 'wag mong patulan. taga mendiola lang pala e. ang lakas naman ng loob. :)

[keep_in_touch_]

haay. i was hesitant to post this, baka kasi sumama ang loob ng mga taga UP. :) anyway, this is not off-topic naman e.

Justin dela Cruz (IV BS Mgt-H) represented the Philippines at the Asia-Pacific Entrepreneurship Society (ASES) Summit at Stanford University last April 3-9, 2005.

ASES is an international student entrepreneurship organization dedicated to networking student leaders worldwide and educating them on technology and business. The organization was formed through the collaboration of students from Stanford University, Fudan University (Shanghai), and KAIST and Seoul National University (Korea). The group has since grown, with multiple chapters in Canada, China, Hong Kong, India, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and the United States. A chapter at the Ateneo de Manila University, headed by Oliver Salva, is currently being formed and is applying for ASES accreditation.

The ASES Summit gathers top students interested in starting their own businesses. It features lectures by veteran businessmen, hands-on workshops, and personal interaction with delegates from other regions. ASES provides an opportunity to start networking with entrepreneurs and student leaders worldwide who can become future business partners, mentors, and support groups.
This year's summit focused on Silicon Valley. The delegates had the chance to hear professors, successful student entrepreneurs, CEO’s of top companies, and venture capitalists talk about the dynamics and trends in various traditional and emerging markets. They learned about how Silicon Valley started and what factors keep it growing, such as strong cooperation between the investors, entrepreneurs, and the academe. They were given tours inside the facilities of companies such as Google and IDEO, and had workshops in which they pitched multi-million dollar ideas to real venture capitalists.

Justin dela Cruz is currently enrolled at the University of San Francisco for the spring semester as part of JGSOM’s Junior Term Abroad Program. Aside from his studies and ASES, he commits his time to the Ateneo Management Association as its Secretary General. He has represented the school in events such as the L’Oreal e-Strat and the PJMA National Leadership Seminar. Justin hopes to gain entrepreneurial experience and find the right partners to reach his goal of establishing people-oriented and technology-driven businesses.

[tianak_me]

So, ihaharap nyo ba 'yan sa dadating na FINEX competition? :lol:

BAKIT KAILANGANG MAGHANAP NG CONTEST LA LABAS KUNG 'DI NYO NAMAN KAYANG MAG-CHAMPION SA 'PINAS?

[MacTurd]

^ ^ re FINEX -
As a friendly reminder, in the 2003 FINEX competition, the Ateneo 3rd year BS Mgt Eng students, with barely 6 units of accounting, soundly defeated the top 5th year BAA students of UP. The FINEX competition is about accounting, finance and investments.

Ang galing ng mga Atenista noh. Kakairita at kakainggit.

Now..... that's what you call superior Atenean genes. No wonder the Ateneo is widely known as "The Harvard, Wharton, MIT and Oxbridge of the Orient."

re Ateneo's participation in international competitions -
No match ang mga local schools sa Ateneo, that's why we have to look elsewhere to find out match. Ateneo is world-class kasi eh. That's why we want to compete against world class schools, not third-rate 3rd world iskul bukols. And besides, we can afford to travel abroad. Kayo, afford niyo ba? Baka Visa application pa lang, rejected na kayo kasi mga mukhang potential TNTs and illegal aliens. :lol:

Tianak, where's the coffee I ordered you to buy? Panay ang PExing mo. You're forgetting your job. I'll make sumbong to your boss Mac_Bolano. :naughty2:

[ayamanika]

as an atenean, of course it would be my school!

but i think the edge of ateneo when it comes to business is the family or peer relations. most of the students that go into ateneo especially in management course comes from prominent families. having relations with prominent businessmen gives you the edge to have nice jobs in the future. furthermore, most (and i really mean MOST) of ateneans have chinese blood. here in the philippines, most of business are owned by chinese elites. i'm not saying that there is a discrimination between chinese and pure blood filipino but somehow, chinese always end up being the rich.

[feisty_virago]

Imho, it depends...

quality of educ: UP

BUT

as the saying goes: "it is not what u know, but who u know..."

so 4 connections: ateneo

It's your choice.


DITTO! :) and if I may add, Its not what you know or who you know, but what you know about who you know! :naughty:

Blackmailed anyone prominent yet? Hehe, kidding... :)

[Dacs]

It's not what you know, but who you blow :D

[atenean_blooded]

as an atenean, of course it would be my school!

but i think the edge of ateneo when it comes to business is the family or peer relations. most of the students that go into ateneo especially in management course comes from prominent families. having relations with prominent businessmen gives you the edge to have nice jobs in the future. furthermore, most (and i really mean MOST) of ateneans have chinese blood. here in the philippines, most of business are owned by chinese elites. i'm not saying that there is a discrimination between chinese and pure blood filipino but somehow, chinese always end up being the rich.

Hey. Please clarify having "chinese blood." Do you mean that most Ateneans are Chinese? Because if you simply mean having some Chinese stock and not Chinese descent, then most Filipinos are like that. But not all Filipinos are Chinoy. Gets?

[honeybfly]

I took entrance exams only from Ateneo and UP during my last year in high school. I passed both (Management Engg w/ a merit scholarship) and Industrial Engg.. However, I chose UP over ateneo.. After two years in IE, I shifted to BSBA and I would say I made a good choice...
Career-wise, if you're a graduate from the UP CBA, you wouldn't really have a hard time looking for a job compared to graduates from other universities..Just the BSBA or BSBAA course on your resume puts you on the top of the pile of most companies.. Based on personal experience, there would even be instances wherein you would get calls from companies you did not even apply to..

[honeybfly]

Btw, I remembered a piece of trivia given to us by the college dean when i graduated last year: there is an average of 60,000 high school seniors who take the upcat every year.. Of this number, 8,000 or 13% put either BSBA or BSBAA as their first choice for a course.. And do you know how many get accepted?

Only 240 students (for both the BSBA and BSBAA programs) are privileged to study business in UP...

[intensity1214.]

Only 240 students (for both the BSBA and BSBAA programs) are privileged to study business in UP...

not saying much. only 240 because that's the only number the up budget can allow.

bakit ba parang big deal na maliit ang kinukuha ng up na number of students, na kung tutuusin eh kaya ganun eh dahil sa limitations ng budget n'yo.

:)

[ayamanika]

Hey. Please clarify having "chinese blood." Do you mean that most Ateneans are Chinese? Because if you simply mean having some Chinese stock and not Chinese descent, then most Filipinos are like that. But not all Filipinos are Chinoy. Gets?

i mean most ateneans are chinese descent... sorry for the term

[atenean_blooded]

Ayamanika:

That's what I meant for you to clarify. Are they nationalists, in the sense that they claim they're part Chinese? And where did you get the figures to say "most?"

[KING de II]

not saying much. only 240 because that's the only number the up budget can allow.

bakit ba parang big deal na maliit ang kinukuha ng up na number of students, na kung tutuusin eh kaya ganun eh dahil sa limitations ng budget n'yo.
hindi mo talaga maintindihan ang mga bagay na ito kapag lagpak ka sa UPCAT. :nuke:

[intensity1214.]

sorry, i didn't even bother to take your upcat.

:)

[BlackLabel]

UP ang piliin mo kung wala kang malaking pera, Ateneo naman kung kaya mo tuition.Both have the same quality of education (I guess). It's only in the money side that there arises a great divide..

[Dacs]

sorry, i didn't even bother to take your upcat.

:)

Well, I suppose you have no right in anyway to say such (ludicrous) claim then :no:

[Introvert_S]

^ Kung UP admin siguro ang tatanungin, hindi naman talaga big deal yung kakaunti lang yung ina-admit na students. In the UPCAT form, it was stated kung bakit kailangang mag-impose ng quota.

Kaya lang, nagiging big deal siya sa iba, lalo na dun sa mga parents and high school officials na nagrereklamo kung bakit di pumasa yung anak/estudyante nila. So they started to question the quota system and the UP admission system in general.


Lucky are the obtuse, they always get the attention. :D

[MacTurd]

Choose the Ateneo if you want to become a President, CEO, COO, or CFO.

Choose UP if you're only aspiring to become a bookeeper, analyst, associate, admin assistant, filer, etc.

In addition, choose the Ateneo if you want to take up your MBA in Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, Northwestern, Columbia, LBS, Said, Judge, etc. Mas kilala and respected ang Ateneo among all of the Philippine schools.

[straightshooter]

Choose the Ateneo if you want to become a President, CEO, COO, or CFO.

Choose UP if you're only aspiring to become a bookeeper, analyst, associate, admin assistant, filer, etc.

In addition, choose the Ateneo if you want to take up your MBA in Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, Northwestern, Columbia, LBS, Said, Judge, etc. Mas kilala and respected ang Ateneo among all of the Philippine schools.

Oo nga. Eh kung geological engineering, maganda po ba sa Ateneo?

[MacTurd]

^ ^ Sa UP ka na lang kung geological or geodetic engineering ek-ek lang ang kaya mo. 19th and 20th century pa yan eh.

But if you can handle a 21st century engineering course like Materials Science and Engineering (i.e., nanotechnology or even photonics), it's being offered in the Ateneo and why not go to the best school in the Philippines, the Ateneo. That is, kung kaya mo ah.

Kakainggit noh?

[dalawa_puso_ko]

Pero bakit may philosohy at theology pa rin sa Ateneo? Hindi ba noon panahon payun ni mahomma? Hindi ba sayang lang sa tuition yun mga yun?

[KING de II]

UP ang piliin mo kung wala kang malaking pera, Ateneo naman kung kaya mo tuition.Both have the same quality of education (I guess). It's only in the money side that there arises a great divide..
I disagree with you!

Hinay-hinay lang sa comment mo. Magagalit sayo ang CHED, ASIAWEEK, PRC, the ASEAN UNIVERSITY NETWORK, APRU at mga matatalino.

[KING de II]

In addition, choose the Ateneo if you want to take up your MBA in Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, Northwestern, Columbia, LBS, Said, Judge, etc. Mas kilala and respected ang Ateneo among all of the Philippine schools.
kakatanong ko lang kay harvard at wharton at ang sabi nila di daw nila kilala si de ateneo... sabi ko skul yon sa Pinas... sabi nila "ganun ba, kasi parang beauty parlor ang dating sa kanila e... sabi skul talaga yon... sabi nila "whatever, dude!"

la lang. share ko lang. kasi halatang di ka pa nakarating sa stits.

[KING de II]

^ ^ Sa UP ka na lang kung geological or geodetic engineering ek-ek lang ang kaya mo. 19th and 20th century pa yan eh.

But if you can handle a 21st century engineering course like Materials Science and Engineering (i.e., nanotechnology or even photonics), it's being offered in the Ateneo and why not go to the best school in the Philippines, the Ateneo. That is, kung kaya mo ah.

Kakainggit noh?
sa totoo lang po mamang turd, nakapag-aral po ba kayo? parang ang dami mong hindi alam.

meron pong geology sa MIT, Cambridge at Oxford. paano yan? papatanggal nalang natin para talagang "de ateneo is the MIT, Oxbutt of the Orient" na...

[MacTurd]

^ ^ Nakakatuwa. Ang daming napipikon at naiinggit sa the Ateneo. Iba na talaga ang "The Harvard, Wharton, Stanford, MIT and Oxbridge of the Orient." Ang daming naiinggit.

No wonder the Ateneans comprise the largest single block of Filipino students in the top schools in the USA and the U.K. No Philippine school even comes close.

Ang daming inggit. Ang saya!

[BlackLabel]

UP ang piliin mo kung wala kang malaking pera, Ateneo naman kung kaya mo tuition.Both have the same quality of education (I guess). It's only in the money side that there arises a great divide..

[atenean_blooded]

^ ^ Nakakatuwa. Ang daming napipikon at naiinggit sa the Ateneo. Iba na talaga ang "The Harvard, Wharton, Stanford, MIT and Oxbridge of the Orient." Ang daming naiinggit.

No wonder the Ateneans comprise the largest single block of Filipino students in the top schools in the USA and the U.K. No Philippine school even comes close.

Ang daming inggit. Ang saya!

Pano yung Thames?

[MacTurd]

Thames? That's just an overpriced diploma mill. It's a miniaturized version of our archrival.

[atenean_blooded]

Mods, paki-ban si MacTurd.

[GR8_GUY]

I would also recommend the Ateneo for business.

Just look at the top MBA schools in the USA like Wharton, Harvard, Northwestern, U of Chicago, New York U, Columbia, Yale, Stanford, U of Virginia, etc. Ateneans represent the single largest block of Filipino students in these schools, outnumbering the closest group by a factor of at least 3:1. There are many Ateneans who make it to the top US business schools because they are, among many other reasons, intelligent, and the school has an established reputation for excellence among MBA Admission Officers.

John Gokongwei, a Lasallian, even admitted that the Ateneo is the best business school in the Philippines, and he stood by his word by donating P200 million of his own money. Hence, the establishment of JGSOM. That's a clear testament of his firm belief that the Ateneo is the best in business education. He put his money where his mouth is and placed his stamp of approval by having his name emblazoned in the school for posterity. Has anyone done the same for UP's business school? I know they rely on government grants, which ultimately come from the taxpayers, but has any private citizen donated even a tenth or less (10% or P20 million) of Gokongwei's donation to the Ateneo?

Also, look at how the other posters above have argued their points. Do you want to become like them? They don't know how to think and debate. They have simply bashed the Ateneo. Why? Because they feel insecure. Why again? Because they know deep in their hearts and souls that the Ateneo is truly the best. There's a reason why, according to MacTurd, the Ateneo is widely acknowledged as the "Harvard and MIT of the Philippines. It's simply the best.

I'd say --- if you want to be the best, go for the best. Go for the Ateneo. :spinstar:

Nuff said.

Stop these name-dropping and pompous calling of Ateneo the "Harvard and MIT of the Philippines". Don't you know that this may not be amusing, to say the least, to Harvard and MIT. Harvard is world class and has an endowment of more than 20 billion US dollars, which makes your 200 million Philippine pesos of JG mere loose change to them. Good schools stand on their own merit, they don't need to ride on the coattails of the great!
20 billion US dollars 200 million Philippine pesos

[MacTurd]

BACK ON TOPIC

Choose Ateneo if you want to hone your leadership and communication skills and if you're aspiring to become a President, CEO, COO, CFO, etc. Aside from this, you'll develop a network of valuable contacts in the Ateneo, comprised of the sons and daughters of the captains of Philippine industry and government, that you won't find anywhere else in the Philippines. In addition, choose Ateneo if you want to pursue an MBA degree in the top MBA schools in the USA and the U.K. The admissions officers of the top business schools are already familiar with the world-class Ateneo education because Ateneans comprise the largest single group of Filipino students in most of these schools.

Choose UP if your goal is to become an analyst, associate, assistant, bookeeper, etc. If you're good in following orders and do not want to stress yourself out by climbing the corporate ladder, then UP is not a bad choice. You'll mingle with the masses and you'll learn how to become subservient. You'll also gain technical competency, although your communication and leadership skills may remain undeveloped.

Two schools with different philosophies and target markets.

Just the facts.

[GR8_GUY]

BACK ON TOPIC

Choose Ateneo if you want to hone your leadership and communication skills and if you're aspiring to become a President, CEO, COO, CFO, etc. Aside from this, you'll develop a network of valuable contacts in the Ateneo, comprised of the sons and daughters of the captains of Philippine industry and government, that you won't find anywhere else in the Philippines. In addition, choose Ateneo if you want to pursue an MBA degree in the top MBA schools in the USA and the U.K. The admissions officers of the top business schools are already familiar with the world-class Ateneo education because Ateneans comprise the largest single group of Filipino students in most of these schools.

Just the facts.

If, indeed, your claim is true that Ateneo is the best in the country and the educator of leaders and bureaucrats in government and businesses, then why is our country still mired in poverty and corruption? There is something amiss here! Is Ateneo really what it claims to be? Perhaps, we can start looking for the real best somewhere else!

By the way, what are you doing in the Smoky Mountains this time of the year? Brr...

[GR8_GUY]

BACK ON TOPIC



Choose UP if your goal is to become an analyst, associate, assistant, bookeeper, etc. If you're good in following orders and do not want to stress yourself out by climbing the corporate ladder, then UP is not a bad choice. You'll mingle with the masses and you'll learn how to become subservient. You'll also gain technical competency, although your communication and leadership skills may remain undeveloped.

Two schools with different philosophies and target markets.

Just the facts.

"You'll mingle with the masses..." I'm afraid for you Ateneans. What's your problem? What's wrong with mingling with the masses. If that's the kind of values the Jesuits teach you there in Ateneo, your school is really down in the pits. That kind of talk is rubbish and despicable! It's not the kind you hear from decent educated people.

[spanish_cuisine]

wow! a lot of bashing posts here.. geesss...

in my opinion, ATENEO is better than UP.
that's MY OWN OPINION.

[spanish_cuisine]

BACK ON TOPIC

Choose UP if your goal is to become an analyst, associate, assistant, bookeeper, etc. If you're good in following orders and do not want to stress yourself out by climbing the corporate ladder, then UP is not a bad choice. You'll mingle with the masses and you'll learn how to become subservient. You'll also gain technical competency, although your communication and leadership skills may remain undeveloped.

Two schools with different philosophies and target markets.

Just the facts.

your funny. but i have to agree that UP is not bad option. when i thought na babagsak me sa ACET, i focused my mind in UP. sabi ko maganda naman sa UP.
:lol:

[spanish_cuisine]

not saying much. only 240 because that's the only number the up budget can allow.

bakit ba parang big deal na maliit ang kinukuha ng up na number of students, na kung tutuusin eh kaya ganun eh dahil sa limitations ng budget n'yo.

:)

i have to agree on this. my mom works in UP. sabi nya that's the reason why may quota quota course sa UP. but still i was lucky i passed. :)

[will_stayed]

If, indeed, your claim is true that Ateneo is the best in the country and the educator of leaders and bureaucrats in government and businesses, then why is our country still mired in poverty and corruption? There is something amiss here! Is Ateneo really what it claims to be? Perhaps, we can start looking for the real best somewhere else!

By the way, what are you doing in the Smoky Mountains this time of the year? Brr...

hikahos pa rin ang bansa natin because the masses (thomasians, etc.) just refuse to cooperate.

e kasi, ginagatungan lagi ng destabilizers from up.

yan tuloy.

so don't blame the rich. magbanat kasi kayo ng buto. wag puro rally.

[GR8_GUY]

hikahos pa rin ang bansa natin because the masses (thomasians, etc.) just refuse to cooperate.

e kasi, ginagatungan lagi ng destabilizers from up.

yan tuloy.

so don't blame the rich. magbanat kasi kayo ng buto. wag puro rally.

Which rich are you talking about? The truly rich or the wannabees? The rich in the likes of Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, the Rockefellers, the Vanderbilts, the Fords, the Basses, etc.? They are the truly rich who don't wear their affluence on their sleeves and who consider mingling with the masses part of their everyday life! They have millions/billions of US dollars in their family foundations to help the disadvantaged and the poor.

Or is it the "Ateneo rich" who think mingling with the masses is degrading! In the global scale of affluence, my friends, you're peanuts. You and your cohorts are the wannabees, as in "wanna be rich" quickly, far from being there but long on guile and pretense. Isn't that pathetic? Theodore Roosevelt says: "To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society". That, my friends, is my opinion in a nutshell. I hope you and your cohorts are a minority of Ateneo's student population.

[GR8_GUY]

i have to agree on this. my mom works in UP. sabi nya that's the reason why may quota quota course sa UP. but still i was lucky i passed. :)

And you spanish_cuisine, don't be cutie-cutie with that mommy dearest story. I can smell form a mile that you're a fake. Proud Blue Eagle, with your 3 posts you're more like a Walking Eagle... so full of bovine manure you can't fly!

[MacTurd]

ON TOPIC

Ateneo is the best choice if you're aiming for top managerial positions and if you want to become a mover and shaker of society.

On the other hand, if you're more comfortable taking orders, listening, and doing repetitive tasks (like bookeeping, financial spreadsheets, data entry, credit analysis), UP is not a bad choice for you.

[Dacs]

^ With all due respect, but if we following your logic, can we blame Ateneo for the sh*t we're in right now?

[intensity1214.]

^ Kung UP admin siguro ang tatanungin, hindi naman talaga big deal yung kakaunti lang yung ina-admit na students. In the UPCAT form, it was stated kung bakit kailangang mag-impose ng quota.

Kaya lang, nagiging big deal siya sa iba, lalo na dun sa mga parents and high school officials na nagrereklamo kung bakit di pumasa yung anak/estudyante nila. So they started to question the quota system and the UP admission system in general.


common sense nga. bakit quota? kasi maraming gusto pumasok sa course na 'yun. bakit kakaunti lang kinukuha ng up? kasi 'yun lang kaya ng budget nga, hindi dahil salang-sala na palaging pinapalabas. kung salang-sala naman eh bakit may bumabagsak pa sa board exams o kaya hindi nag-totop consistently?

:)

[Introvert_S]

common sense nga rin. paano pipiliin ang 100 students na kayang suportahan ng isang program out of 1000 applicants? bunutan? dart?

oh, I see, you expect UP pala to have a 100% passing rate sa lahat ng board exams for you to believe its quality control system. It's your call. There are some board exams though na 100% ang passing rate ng UP (ECE, Dentistry,Library Science, ME, Nursing, etc) and UP has the most number of times it became a top performing school in terms of passing rate in its category. Give me other university which matches this performance. Oh, and we do have topnotchers although not consistently in the top 1. There are many reasons kung bakit may bumabagsak, and one of them is lack of preparation or overconfidence.

Again, if another basis of an effective quality control is dapat laging nasa top 1, it's your call. Kungsabagay, it's much more convenient to discredit the stellar performance of UP (konti examinees, most UP students are high school achievers blah blah blah) than to discuss why other schools didn't perform that well. :)

[intensity1214.]

common sense nga rin. paano pipiliin ang 100 students na kayang suportahan ng isang program out of 1000 applicants? bunutan? dart?

--> o eh parang hindi rin ginagawa sa ibang schools 'yang pagpili na 'yan? pataasan ng score? sabihin nating 100 nakakuha ng 100% at 'yung sumunod na 200 eh 99% etc. etc. so bobo at bagsakin 'yung 200 at hindi tinanggap ng up? eh kung may budget eh 'di dapat na-accommodate pa sila. common sense nga.

oh, I see, you expect UP pala to have a 100% passing rate sa lahat ng board exams for you to believe its quality control system. It's your call. There are some board exams though na 100% ang passing rate ng UP (ECE, Dentistry,Library Science, ME, Nursing, etc) and UP has the most number of times it became a top performing school in terms of passing rate in its category. Give me other university which matches this performance. Oh, and we do have topnotchers although not consistently in the top 1. There are many reasons kung bakit may bumabagsak, and one of them is lack of preparation or overconfidence.

-->ang sa akin lang naman eh palagi niyong sinasabi na kesyo 100 lang ang nakakapasok sa isang course etc. etc. na kesyo salang-sala at piling-pili. mali 'yun. 'wag ipagpilitan 'yun kasi kung piling-pili nga ang mga 'yun eh bakit bumabagsak sila? bakit hindi palaging #1? bakit natatalo ng ibang schools kung talaga nga namang ang tatalino niyo?

Again, if another basis of an effective quality control is dapat laging nasa top 1, it's your call. Kungsabagay, it's much more convenient to discredit the stellar performance of UP (konti examinees, most UP students are high school achievers blah blah blah) than to discuss why other schools didn't perform that well.

-->kaunting students. kaunting examinees. kasi kaunti budget. ang sagot niyo: kasalanan ng gobyerno

kaya 'wag magyabang na salang-sala.

:)

[mac_bolan00]

ikaw pala ang engot, eh. kahit ano pa dahilan, salang-sala.

[Dacs]

Malabo ka brad. Sabihin na nating kulang sa budget, will it stop UP from picking the best from the pool of applicants?

The fact that a lot of students are aspiring to be a UP student speaks for itself. Na sa dami nila, kaunti lang ang kinukuha. So porque na kulang sa budget eh yung mga nakapasa ay walang kwenta?

[intensity1214.]

o kung salang-sala, bakit may bumabagsak at hindi nagta-top consistently? nakalusot lang sa upcat?

:)

[Dacs]

o kung hindi salang-sala, bakit sa karamihan ng pagkakataon, puro galing sa UP ang nasa top ten? ibig sabihin yung ibang school walang kwenta?

Just following your logic :)

[straightshooter]

^ ^ Sa UP ka na lang kung geological or geodetic engineering ek-ek lang ang kaya mo. 19th and 20th century pa yan eh.

But if you can handle a 21st century engineering course like Materials Science and Engineering (i.e., nanotechnology or even photonics), it's being offered in the Ateneo and why not go to the best school in the Philippines, the Ateneo. That is, kung kaya mo ah.

Kakainggit noh?

Ayaw ko po sa UP. Gusto ko sa Ateneo at gusto ko mag geological engineering - ganda pakinggan eh. Parang interdisciplinary studies. Wow!

Kaya ko po sa Ateneo. Marami na naipon Tatay ko eh. May pambayad na po kami para sa leakage sa ACET.

Kainggit talaga Ateneo. Meron silang geological engineering. Wala niyan sa kahit na anong eskwela sa kahit na anong bansa sa kahit na anong continent sa kahit na anong planeta sa kahit na anong galaxy. O di ba kainggit talaga?

Wan Vig Pite!

[intensity1214.]

o kung hindi salang-sala, bakit sa karamihan ng pagkakataon, puro galing sa UP ang nasa top ten? ibig sabihin yung ibang school walang kwenta?

Just following your logic :)

eh bakit naman magiging walang kwenta kung hindi nila pinagpipilitang salang-sala. mas nakakahiya naman 'yung pinagpipilitang salang-sala tapos sa bandang huli eh palpak naman pala, hindi po ba?

:)

[intensity1214.]

pahabol....

at kung bakit nakaka-100% passing ang up eh dapat lang. 'wag mong sabihing pipito o sasampu o dose na nga lang ang nag-exam ay may babagsak pa?

:)

[Introvert_S]

as if naman makukumbinsi ka na kung more than 20 examinees and 100% pa rin. nangyari na yan :naughty:

[Introvert_S]

eh bakit naman magiging walang kwenta kung hindi nila pinagpipilitang salang-sala. mas nakakahiya naman 'yung pinagpipilitang salang-sala tapos sa bandang huli eh palpak naman pala, hindi po ba?

:)

agree. kaya nga big deal kung may bumagsak eh. Di tulad ng iba diyan na tuwang tuwa na sa 50% passing rate dahil, tutal, marami naman daw examinees and yung mga students ay di salang sala at mga ordinary students etc.... :crazytongue:

[intensity1214.]

negligible pa rin. try 100+.

:)

[intensity1214.]

agree. kaya nga big deal kung may bumagsak eh. Di tulad ng iba diyan na tuwang tuwa na sa 50% passing rate dahil, tutal, marami naman daw examinees and yung mga students ay di salang sala at mga ordinary students etc.... :crazytongue:

big deal talaga kasi pinangangalandakang salang-sala, hindi naman pala.

:)

[mac_bolan00]

intense, are you an engineer? you don't sound like one.

[intensity1214.]

nah. :lol:

[Dacs]

Anong palpak sa consitent showing sa top 10 sa mga board exam? Anong palpak sa sobrang daming kumukuha ng UPCAT at sa kanila, wala pang 10% ang kinukuha? Anong palpak sa pagiging consistent ng UP at nanggagalaiti ka sa paghahanap ng maipipintas? http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/images/smilies/crazytongue.gif

[Introvert_S]

mas madali kasing mamintas, most of the time, di na kailangang pag-isipan pa, so there :lol:

[intensity1214.]

consistent showing? the supposedly best university getting the supposedly best students should always be number one even in minor competitions ateneo is fond of joining.

wala pa ngang 10% ang kinukuha kasi nga 'di kaya ng budget ang mas malaki run.

eto ang kapalpakan: the supposedly best students become punching bags of other schools when it comes to topping the boards and winning competitions. dapat kung the best kayo, hindi kayo matatalo kahit kelan ng kahit sino.

consistent 100% passing rate in almost all the board exams? dapat lang eh sasampu o dose na nga lang ang kumukuha eh may babagsak pa ba?

:)

[intensity1214.]

mas madali kasing mamintas, most of the time, di na kailangang pag-isipan pa, so there :lol:

madali talagang mamintas lalo na kung 'yung pipintasan eh madali lang talagang pintasan. talagang hindi na dapat pang pag-isipan pa. :lol:

[Dacs]

So it all boils down to this, according to you, since we're not "oh so" consistent, mas magaling ang Ateneo?

I'm not claiming na lagi kami 100% ah. I'm not saying na walang bumabagsak sa board exam. I'm not saying na sa lahat ng competitions eh lagi kaming 1st placer. But would that negate the performance UP is showing through the years?

Don't get me wrong, I have high regards in Ateneo as an institution. After all, I have a cousin who graduated cum laude there. But saying things that place UP in complete disregard is complete and utter BS.

consistent 100% passing rate in almost all the board exams? dapat lang eh sasampu o dose na nga lang ang kumukuha eh may babagsak pa ba?

Last time I checked, profile ng Ateneo yan sa ECE board exam ah.

Kung ganyan ang benchmark ng greatness mo, na hindi nagkakamali - na laging # 1 sa lahat, it's time for you to have a reality check.

[Introvert_S]

^Ayun naman pala. Pabrika pala ng telebisyon at hindi eskwelahan ang pinag-uusapan dito. All finished products must not fail.

dapat kung the best kayo, hindi kayo matatalo kahit kelan ng kahit sino
I see, so no school can actually claim to be the best or outstanding among the rest, following your criteria. I doubt though that your "basher-friends" here in PEX will agree :)


zzzzzzzz...........

[intensity1214.]

nakana niyo. so hindi up ang the best ha at hindi rin ateneo.

:)

[Dacs]

Wala kaming nakana :) May sinabi ba ako? And I think Introvert_S is only pointing out the flaw in your logic. Galeng mo mag deduce ah! If you think that way, then bahala ka, but don't make it sound that we share your opinion because we don't!

^Ayun naman pala. Pabrika pala ng telebisyon at hindi eskwelahan ang pinag-uusapan dito. All finished products must not fail.

Maski na sa pabrika at planta, may bumabagsak sa QA, sa institusyon pa na pinapatakbo ng tao?

Grabe sobrang OT na tayo :D

[intensity1214.]

oh, so the best ang up? dapat ba ganyan ang deduction ko?

:)

[Kolmogorov]

OT:

If money is not your concern, then maybe you can weigh your options based on convenience (study in makati or diliman). Both schools have reputable MBA program kahit ano pang sabihin ng mga asungot diyan

[Dacs]

I didn't say that either :) but kung ganyan ang iniisip mo edi feel free to do so :D

[KING de II]

Pabayaan nyo na yang si intensity1214. As usual, he's not making any intelligent post... He's only trying to justify his being a mediocre. nakakatawa at nakakaawa siya.

alam naman natin na hindi siya pumasa sa UPCAT...kaya isa sya sa libo-libong "sinala" ng UP...

[will_stayed]

ang mga thomasians, insecure sa upians :lol:

[KING de II]

at ang mga ateneans, insecure naman sa mga thomasians :lol:

[Dacs]

Pabayaan nyo na yang si intensity1214. As usual, he's not making any intelligent post... He's only trying to justify his being a mediocre. nakakatawa at nakakaawa siya.

alam naman natin na hindi siya pumasa sa UPCAT...kaya isa sya sa libo-libong "sinala" ng UP...

So in other words, "patulan ba?" :)

[GR8_GUY]

ON TOPIC

Ateneo is the best choice if you're aiming for top managerial positions and if you want to become a mover and shaker of society.

On the other hand, if you're more comfortable taking orders, listening, and doing repetitive tasks (like bookeeping, financial spreadsheets, data entry, credit analysis), UP is not a bad choice for you.

MacTurd, why do you always attempt to put down other schools after praising your Ateneo to the high heavens? I don't get it, my friend. That's symptomatic of an Ateneo with deeply ingrained insecurity and inferiority complex that you and your cohorts so desperately but unsuccessfully hide by putting down the better schools, name-dropping, purported affluence of the students (what a joke!), and the nauseating and ridiculous "Harvard, MIT, Wharton, etc. of the Philippines", just to name a few. You and your cohorts can drumbeat Ateneo until you drop dead from doing it (St. Ignatius will meet you at Heaven' gate!), but don't put down other schools whose only fault is that they happen to be better than yours. After all, what's wrong with being number 2 or number 3 if your school is really that good?

[intensity1214.]

oh, so hindi the best ang up ha? buti naman nagkaintindihan na.

:)

[tianak_me]

CERTIFIED PUBLIC ACCOUNTANTS [Ranked according to Passing Percentage (%P)]
No. Name of School "Percentage
Passed
(%P)"
1. University of the Philippines - Diliman 87%
2. Xavier University (Formerly Ateneo De Cagayan) 76%
3. University of Saint La Salle 76%
4. De La Salle University - Manila 70%
5. Silliman University 63%
6. University of Santo Tomas 63%
----
Consolation to #6: The CHED made them a COE (not in accounting, dummy, I'm talking about ECE!) :glee::glee::glee::glee::glee:

[intensity1214.]

namaaan, 87%??? may bumagsak pa? 'kala ko ba salang-sala? at ilan pala ang kumuha?

:)

[tianak_me]

Yes. May bumagsag na UP that year. 87% is waaayyyy low compared with UP's traditional 100%. So kahit salang-sala, nahihirapan pa rin sa board. Salang-sala. Hindi naman namin sinabing mga supermen kami, 'di ba?

But then, 87% is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too high for Lasalle and UST. :glee::glee::glee::glee::glee:

[Kolmogorov]

at bakit nauwi sa sourgraping ang thread na ito? Bakit nga ba 63% lang ang passing rate ng UST? Any "intelligent" reasons?

[Dacs]

Patulan pa kasi eh

:)

[intensity1214.]

87% and how many takers? if i remember correctly, nung 2004 cpa exams, super baba pa nga ng passing ng lahat ng schools, up got 48% (20 examinees), UST, 30-35% (80+ examinees), la salle, 60% (100+ examinees).

diyan kayo talo ng UST at la salle. UST at la salle mahina na ang 75, pero up malakas na 'yung 20, may sumasablay pa.

teka, 'wag mo akong tanungin tungkol sa ateneo ha. :lol:

[GR8_GUY]

kung bisaya ka, sa UP ka bagay. you can easily get along with your classmates.

If you have the brain, the money and you want to be part of the elite circle of Management graduates, go for the best, go to The Ateneo!

I wonder just how rich are the Ateneans? I have never seen any boasting about wealth anywhere else outside of Ateneo, not even in the Ivy League schools in the United States. But then again, the truly rich are low-keyed about their wealth, they don't talk about it, and never ever brag about it (how gauche!).

[ayamanika]

^^^ wichita_kansas1, are you really an atenean?

here in ateneo, people don't brag about their wealth. they may tell you the about their expensive possesions, foods, etc. but these things are just natural. it's not a big deal. they may discuss anything they want but they never boast that they are rich.

[orangepink]

I'm an IT graduate but my dad and my grandfather, both have their separate businesses, attest that the best business school is the real world. My dad learned business from my grandfather, who learned from his father and so on.

[GR8_GUY]

^^^ wichita_kansas1, are you really an atenean?

here in ateneo, people don't brag about their wealth. they may tell you the about their expensive possesions, foods, etc. but these things are just natural. it's not a big deal. they may discuss anything they want but they never boast that they are rich.

Good for you, then maybe you are the closest to a true Atenean I've ever encountered the past few days at PEX. So far they were more of the wannabees, far from being there but long on pretenses. And I hope you don't consider mingling with the masses degrading. From where I come from, we just talk about wealth casually, no big deal. Nobody flaunts it. I come from a school with diverse student population (poor, middle class, the rich and the super rich), so we are sensitive to the feelings of others. That's why we have the quota system. It's more like what they have at the Ivy League schools, diversified student population. It exposes us to the real world.

[pulang leon]

Common sense?

Qualify. Quantify. (see explanation below)



So it's exaggerated. But that's to make a point. (If you don't get it yet, please think a bit more).



"BEST UNDERGRAD BUSINESS SCHOOL IN THE WORLD?"

Err, the Wharton School does not have an undergraduate degree in Accountancy.

Nor does MIT-Sloan.




Ad hominem. Non sequitur.

So you mean to tell me that the Wharton School is not a real business school based on your above arguments?

The point is, why dabble into a particular specialization in a particular functional area? That might work if you're going to be an employee, or a corporate mogul in a particular department. But the general curriculum is broad enough for you to get to look at everything, which you can then focus in by taking minor concentrations in particular areas (Finance, Marketing, Decision Science, IT, International Business, etc.). I don't think you understand it. Ho-hum.

AIM President (from www.aim.edu.ph)

"Roberto F. De Ocampo
President

Mr. Roberto F. De Ocampo is the current president of the Asian Institute of Management. From 1992 – 98, he served as Secretary of Finance under President Fidel V. Ramos and was widely recognized as the principal architect of the resurgence of the Philippine economy.

Pres. de Ocampo began his career in public service in 1972 by pioneering the rural electrification program. He was then recognized as the youngest administrator in the history of the national government and received the Ten Outstanding Young Men of the Philippines (TOYM) award in 1975. After working as a senior loan officer at the World Bank, he was appointed chairman and CEO of the Development Bank of the Philippines (DBP) in 1989. Under his leadership, the DBP won national and international recognition and was named “the world’s second soundest bank” by The Banker magazine. For his groundbreaking initiatives in the field of development banking, he was presented with the very first “Man of the Year Award” by the Association of Development Finance Institutions in the Asia-Pacific (ADFIAF) in 1997.

As Secretary of Finance, Pres. de Ocampo introduced and implemented a number of landmark policies and measures, particularly in the areas of economic liberalization, privatization and tax reform. This resulted in the Philippines’ return to international capital markets after a decade-long absence, the first fiscal surplus in twenty years, and an unprecedented and sustained combination of healthy economic growth, low interest rates and single-digit inflation. The liberalization of the banking and insurance industries opened up these sectors to foreign investment for the first time and marked the exit of the Philippines from a nearly continuous thirty years of IMF economic rehabilitation and reform programs.

By 1995, these accomplishments were hailed by the international finance community. He was named “Finance Minister of the Year” by Euromoney magazine -- the first Filipino and first ASEAN finance minister to be so recognized. He was chosen in 1996 by Euromoney as “Finance Minister of the Year,” and in 1997, he was again cited as “Asian Finance Minister of the Year,” this time by the Asiamoney magazine.

Pres. de Ocampo is a much sought-after speaker at international conferences and acts as advisor on Asian and international economic matters. In September 2000, he earned another distinction as the first Filipino and the first from the ASEAN to sit in the Trilateral Commission, an organization whose selected membership include distinguished leaders in the fields of business, politics, civil society, the academe, and the media from the European Union, North America and Japan.

A consistent honor student, Pres. de Ocampo graduated from De La Salle College (1962) and the Ateneo de Manila University (1967) where he received his Bachelor of Arts degree in Economics (Cum Laude). He has a Master in Business Administration from the University of Michigan (1970) and a post-graduate diploma from the London School of Economics (1971)."





I never knew English professors were so pretentious. I've never had any problems with English. Do you want me to run through your post?



Qualify. Quantify.

If you're a business major, you'll probably be used to something like this. After all, shouldn't you be concerned about measurable, quantifiable information and logic when it comes to particular matters like this, instead of resorting to your ad hominem strategy?


First, I shouldn't have asked for your "common sense" but I wish you were more knowledgable about what a real business school ought to be... I did not mean to call ateneo, "not a business school" but of course it is, they are offering business classes and an MBA, of course, ateneo must have a business school... what I meant was, it "really" is not a business school in terms or in comparison to "real" business schools like I have mentioned before. That's what I meant. That's what I meant from the start, but of course, I have to explain more. The "Where's Your Common Sense?" question would have been more appropriate if I were speaking to a fellow Bedan. Otherwise, I have to explain myself further. Yes, it is subjective in my part, but that's what you would expect from Bedans. No mediocrity. When we say you're a singer, that means you are a good singer, not just a singer, if you know what I mean. If you don't get it, I also ask you to "think" a bit more. What you call a "super-specialized" undergraduate in accountancy, we simply call it an undergraduate degree. What you call "Ateneo Law School is the Harvard, Oxford, Yale, etc. Law School of the Philippines", we simply call ours, San Beda Law School, it's uncomparable, like its students, us Bedans, we're uncomparable, our culture, camaraderie, loyalty, faith, etc. not even to Harvard or any of those Ivy League schools. So if we see anything that is mediocre, we'd simply rather not see it around. In San Beda, we have recently graduated our first batch of nursing students. We have a nursing program, but we have a very expectation on our fellow Bedans to get a 100% passing rate on our first graduating class. And we don't call our a nursing school or a medical school as such if it's mediocre or if it's not what we expected. Our first graduating batch of law students in the '40s or '50s got 100% passing rate the first time they took the exams and we don't expect anything less for our doctors and nurses who are taking our exams in the future.

Let me use your terms "quantity" and "quality" since you weren't clear about them at first. In ateneo, it'd be hard to "measure" the "quality" of their business program without having "anything" to measure it with or "quantify" it with. Ateneo does NOT offer enough classes or programs that can "qualify" its students to take board exams like the CPA Board Exams. Wharton, Sloan, etc... you will NOT find "accounting" as one of their majors as we do have it in the Philippines in order to be qualified to take the cpa board exams. But what makes Wharton and Sloan a "VERY GOOD" school in business, graduate and undergraduate ( or what Bedans would simply say: "Iyan ang business school."), they offer ENOUGH classes to "qualify" their students to take the cpa board exams. As there are no atenean that can become a cpa, at Upenn, Sloan, you can.. and you don't have to take or be an "accounting major" to be able to "qualify" to seat for the cpa exams. Until recently, in the US, anyone who has taken enough accounting classes (12 to 15 total i think) can take the cpa exams, yup, even if you don't have a bacherlor's degree yet. Wharton and Sloan are complete with those, that's how good those schools are. And that's probably what's confusing you, because you obviously didn't know that. In those Ivy League schools, they actually do offer THOUSANDS of majors in all kinds of study. You can make up your own major as long as they're approved by your dean, etc. In the US, schools like those are so well equipped, they may not write down the thousands of possible majors you could take, but they DO have an accounting program if you do want to earn that degree and become a cpa. That's why I do not know what you're talking about when you said that they do not have an accounting program, they are in the TOP 5 in THIS YEAR in the undergraduate business program, "SPECIALIZING IN ACCOUNTING". How the heck is it possible to specialize in something and be one of the top schools that teaches it when you don't offer all the necessary classes, "super" as you call it, undergradaute accounting classes that would earn you that degree?? I hope you are not making up about your claims, I mean, aren't WE supposed to be objective when it comes to matters of business? I mean, no lying, no making up information, no pretend information, no jesuitic claims. Maybe you can get back to me and TELL ME what your sources are. Wherever you got them or whatever your sources are, I am already telling you right now that they are wrong. I could TELL YOU how I know but I don't want to embarrass you even further, unless you want me to, all you need to do is ask me.

On your choice of word "pretentious." I think you were referring to the phrase "I must admit." If you are, "prejudice" is a better choice of word if you "got" what I meant, which you probably didn't. English language isn't prejudiced, but English professors can be. Anyone can be. It's inevitable. One can always say something about a person that starts with that phrase, almost the same way with someone who starts with "In Fairness..." like Kris Aquino does. But if you want to use your word "pretentious"... a prejudiced English professor can call you or Kris Aquino being "pretentious" for starting with those phrases, explaining to you further, not the English professor but Kris Aquino. As an example, you should use words that you understand fully its meaning, not pretentious ones. Talk about being pretentious, yes I do want you to run my posts, because with all these confusing choice of words that you use, I need to know WHAT THE HECK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

Ad Hominem strategy? Damn... another pretentious use of words. If I was the Philosophy dean and you were studying in San Beda, I'd kick you out. Unless you're a freshman and have just taken the class "Debate and Argument 101" very recently, then I'd just fail you and have you take the class again because you obviously do not know what you're talking about. Let me know if you need further explanation, but try printing this out first and show it to your teacher, a philosophy teacher would be better, and MAYBE they can point out where you don't make sense and just being pretentious... But if I kick you out, you'd have to transfer, probably to Ateneo, they'll probably teach you right... oh wait, you are in Ateneo... hahahaha.. Keep_in_touch_ go to ateneo school too? like you guys "keep in touch"? lolz.

And I don't get it why you posted Mr. Ocampo's biography. I read the whole thing and I couldn't make sense with it. Then finally towards the end, I saw where he went to school for college and he's the president of the best graduate school in the Philippines, I saw your point. You were somehow trying to connect the name of ateneo to AIM, like this mac-turd guy connecting ateneo with harvard... a different kind of a pathetic social climber.. good thing Bedans don't have that kind of attitude, not in our culture, like I said, we're simply called Bedans... unconnected to any other schools that is not SAN BEDA... we don't need to associate ourselves with any other school to make our school sound better or seem better... that's "pretentious"... NO NEED FOR SAN BEDA... ateneo obviously does, but not SAN BEDA... Bedans doesn't need to boast either, we know who we are and where we came from.... the problem is, others don't and would try to belittle us by calling us as "taga-mendiola lang"... as if to try to make it seem like they're better than those who are in mendiola... well, go ahead, if that's the only way that would make you guys feel better about yourselves, like yourself the harvard of asia... so pathetic.. both a parasite and a copycat of other schools' achievements as if they were their own.... no pride like bedans do... at least mr. ocampo still recognizes it...


In his address, Mr. de Ocampo recounted his many roots with San Beda, where he attended preschool. “If you are to believe noted child psychologist Dr. Benjamin Spock, then the earliest education is the most critical element, and that would be my formative years at San Beda,” he said. “The conferment of this degree gives me one more blessing, but it also adds another burden of responsibility of yet more expectations. Rest assured that I will do my best to live up to your expectations to the highest levels of my ability.”

He also invited his fellow Bedans to “declare war on ignorance, patronage, and mediocrity,” and to let the light of the San Beda motto Ora et Labora (Prayer and Work) shine and, through practice, redirect society towards a common vision.





( i hope you now understand what "pretentious" means after i've used it several times... lolz..)

[atenean_blooded]

pulang leon:

I never needed your posts to understand what "pretentious" means.

Some points:

1. Sige. Let's do it your way. Define "real business school." Cite examples.

2. Since you said in an earlier post that the Ateneo wasn't a "real business school" because it did not offer a degree in accounting, and since you claim UPenn and Sloan are "real business schools," maybe you can show us their degree programs in accounting. Specializations in the form of tracks within a general management program, I can understand since that's the same thing that we have at the Ateneo. I think I've made clear what sort of educational philosophy the programs at the JGSOM are grounded on. Surely, even Bedans will realize that this is what even the "real business schools" do, and that a "specialization in accounting" can be quite different from "an undergraduate degree in accounting."

3. Your self-referential arguments nonwithstanding, yes, ad hominem. While you've cited lots of wonderful and laudable San Beda examples, you've only used these to attack the appletives which MacTurd has actually applied to the Ateneo (which is tragic, since it's obvious that MacTurd's just out to bash).

4. There's no need to connect the Ateneo with AIM. AIM acknowledges that it was a consortium which included the Ateneo, La Salle, UP, and HBS that led to its birth. Rather, it was your citing Ocampo's San Beda roots which was both unnecessary and an attempt to connect San Beda to AIM's president.

Not that Ocampo's San Beda roots are a bad thing at all. But your having to bring them up was, to use your own word, pretentious.

[KING de III]

4. There's no need to connect the Ateneo with AIM. AIM acknowledges that it was a consortium which included the Ateneo, La Salle, UP, and HBS that led to its birth. Rather, it was your citing Ocampo's San Beda roots which was both unnecessary and an attempt to connect San Beda to AIM's president.

maki-epal lang...

kumare, huwag mo naman idamay ang UP sa mga kalokohan at kayabangan mo. UP was never a part of the "consortium" that established AIM.

[atenean_blooded]

Aba, tama ka!

Nagbago ka na nga!

Ng pangalan. :D

[KING de III]

^ at ikaw, hindi ka na nag bago........
sobrang mahal mo pa rin ang de ateneo :glee:
what's in it fr you?

[grade_1]

o sige na nga, mas magaling ang UP. pero tanggapin n'yo na mas magaganda at Ivy league material ang mga taga Ateneo. :)

[tyanak_m3]

Tama ka! Tignan ninyo naman kun gaano ka-guapo sina Joey Salceda at Manny Pangilinan. :lol:

[grade_1]

oh, so hindi the best ang up ha? buti naman nagkaintindihan na.

:)

nakakahiya namang ipangalandakan ng the best ang UP. :)

[KING de IV]

Tama ka! Tignan ninyo naman kun gaano ka-guapo sina Joey Salceda at Manny Pangilinan. :lol:

HA HA HA... :rotflmao:

[KING de IV]

I wonder just how rich are the Ateneans? I have never seen any boasting about wealth anywhere else outside of Ateneo, not even in the Ivy League schools in the United States. But then again, the truly rich are low-keyed about their wealth, they don't talk about it, and never ever brag about it (how gauche!).
That's exactly why they’re labeled "mayabang, sinungaling or social-climber"...

I'm presently attending a university in England where about half of the students in our department are from THE Eton College!!! Helloooo! I mean, we're made-up of a horde which posses of a unique genetic make-up... we smell, eat and breathe wealth... yet never did it come to pass where my classmates and I crafted richness or wealth as somewhat worth mentioning, either in casual or formal conversation. In fact, even a classmate within the clique who speaks about wealth with haughtiness wouldn’t be free from any form of social condemnation, regardless of his royal connections. Sadly, the Ateneans – or likewise known in the Philippines as the – "pseudo-elite", were misguided of this "rule of the privileged".

Nakakahiya talaga kapag atenista kalang. You'll do everything within your little power to put UP and La Salle people down. (Isn’t that pathetic???) The good news, however, is that, they always fail. Hahaha... They just don't have a single potent brain cell to crack a Maroon or Green-blooded creature. What a bloody shame! :hmm:

[atenean_blooded]

Name dropping, now is it?

Read the post above. Performative contradiction.

[queen_of_taft]

^^ the ateneans from katipunan are at it again!

:lol:

[grade_1]

eh bakit naman magiging walang kwenta kung hindi nila pinagpipilitang salang-sala. mas nakakahiya naman 'yung pinagpipilitang salang-sala tapos sa bandang huli eh palpak naman pala, hindi po ba?

:)

nakakahiya naman kung ganun.

[KING de IV]

grade_1 aka intensity1214,

bayut ka daw ba? :lol: