Ateneo MBA's reputation in Manila/ASEAN?

[chineseMALAY]

Hi.

I married a beautiful Filipina who was a classmate of mine way back in college at a UK uni. Now, I am in the process of getting my Filipino citizenship and wanted some opinions on Ateneo's reputation in the Philippine/ASEAN market. I believe UP, AIM, La Salle and UA&P are the main players with respect to employers selection process. Is Ateneo GSB well regarded in Manila/Philippines or in the ASEAN at large?

Thanks,

Eugene Khee Kuan Chan

[Stirling]

If you want to go into the finance sector, especially investment banking, then UP is the established brand. La Salle is a long established programme, but is viewed as more "ops technical". UA&P does not have its own MBA programme but it has an Master in Applied Business Economics for experienced managers. AIM is quite loved by the a/c certification associations. Overall, yes, there are a lot of stupid HR people in Manila, who use filters based on their own laziness, but that can work in all kinds of ways.

The best advice is to take the MBA, which suits you - do a bit of research on what they offer, but if you have your heart set on some firm or sector, give their HR dept a ring and ask - most people caught unawares by a reasonable question will tell you more than you need to know.

[BENEFACTORS]

Hi. I’m a BAA graduate of UP and has an MBA from De La Salle. Here’s what I can tell you.

If you want reputation in Manila, my impression is, THE Ateneo is not for you – at present anyway. I fully understand that if you are positioning yourself in a market where the repute of your MBA is a choice criterion, a name brand is essential. And if that is your goal, those name schools will do the trick.
However, if the quality of the programme is a high-weighted criterion, consider what happened to me yesterday.

I've been working on a business review for about a week with a small team of colleagues. Among us is a gentleman with zero grasp of even the barest rudiments of business, finance or strategy. I didn't hold this against him, because he's an IT person by discipline and he claimed he got from THE Ateneo in Loyola, QC.

However, in casual conversation, he mentioned that he did an MBA. I casually asked which school? He gestured at a folder he carries around, with THE Ateneo Graduate School of Business emblazoned on it. (As well!) I stared blankly for a few seconds, trying to reconcile his absolute ignorance of even rudimentary business concepts with what I was hearing.

"Ateneo" I said stupidly. He nodded. Still struggling to resolve the profound cognitive dissonance, I asked "Have you finished?" thinking that perhaps he must be just starting, which would explain his nescience. He nodded. (Naisip ko, patay!)

"Ateneo MBA", I said stupidly. Perhaps it was some other course- management education or MSc. He nodded, and wondered why I was giving him that blank, baffled stare.

Uncharaceristically, I kept my opinion to myself. I was devastated. Sabi ko nalang sa sarili ko, grabe na’to! I could not imagine that after 2 years and circa 150 thousand pesos someone could emerge from a …ahem… *reputable* MBA programme like THE Ateneo's knowing little more about business than my plumber. I mean, we've had plenty occasions to discuss risk management, marketing, finance and strategy, and his contributions show zero aptitude beyond layman level. He knows absolutely zilch – daig pa s’ya nung mga undergrad students ng UP College of Business Administration!

It devastated not only my opinion of Ateneo, but of MBAs in general, I can tell you. I began to wonder whether my grasp of business issues is due more to my training in finance at UP than to my MBA in La Salle. Did the La Salle MBA really add value? But I had to conclude that it did. But was that only because I went over and beyond average effort to get a distinction in De La Salle GSB MBA? I had to conclude that, based on discussions here; other fellow alumni who did not get a distinction must still be leagues ahead of this clueless "Ateneo MBA" grad.

Beware of names, my new Malay friend. If that's what you need, go for it. But please, please, please, also ask about the rigour of the programme. Complex, hard, case-focused exams, that's the way to go. It may be that some of the name schools are also tough, but I just have to wonder whether a school that charges a fortune really has the guts and incentive to fail anybody- irrespective of their performance.


:kyle:

[Nijinsky]

After reading the posts of the bashers above, here are facts from "BusinessWorld" proving that the Ateneo is no. 1:

BusinessWorld
p.11, October 29-30, 2004

RP graduate studies

Only 1% of the country's 195 graduate schools offering programs in education, public administration and business education scored outstanding marks in a recent evaluative survey commissioned by the Commission on Higher Education. The study categorized schools into seven clusters, where the majority (58%) fell into middle ground. Conducted by the Fund for Assistance to Private Education or FAPE, the study found only two graduate schools of business, both in the National Capital Region (NCR), who fell into Cluster I-Outstanding category. The Ateneo Graduate School of Business topped the evaluation with a score of 4.6 out of a possible 5.0. Seven schools from NCR, Southern Tagalog, Western Visayas and Southern Mindanao were classified under Cluster II-Superior. Around 7% scored poorly. These are found in Ilocos, Cagayan Valley, Central Luzon, Southern Tagalog, Bicol, Central Visayas, Central Mindanao, ARMM and Caraga.

_________
Who's more credible? Bashers of the Ateneo, or a study conducted by CHED/FAPE?

Nuff said.

[froshie1]

OT: hmmm..... hmmm...

[Tigre]

After reading the posts of the bashers above, here are facts from "BusinessWorld" proving that the Ateneo is no. 1:

BusinessWorld
p.11, October 29-30, 2004

RP graduate studies

Only 1% of the country's 195 graduate schools offering programs in education, public administration and business education scored outstanding marks in a recent evaluative survey commissioned by the Commission on Higher Education. The study categorized schools into seven clusters, where the majority (58%) fell into middle ground. Conducted by the Fund for Assistance to Private Education or FAPE, the study found only two graduate schools of business, both in the National Capital Region (NCR), who fell into Cluster I-Outstanding category. The Ateneo Graduate School of Business topped the evaluation with a score of 4.6 out of a possible 5.0. Seven schools from NCR, Southern Tagalog, Western Visayas and Southern Mindanao were classified under Cluster II-Superior. Around 7% scored poorly. These are found in Ilocos, Cagayan Valley, Central Luzon, Southern Tagalog, Bicol, Central Visayas, Central Mindanao, ARMM and Caraga.

_________
Who's more credible? Bashers of the Ateneo, or a study conducted by CHED/FAPE?

Nuff said.

You have a point. I'd rather believe CHED than the bashers. One thing is for sure, Ateneo's GSB is better than DLSU's. Even the CHED survey proves this to be so.

For full-time MBA, it's AIM or BUST in the Philippines in my opinion.

[Stirling]

After reading the posts of the bashers above
Bash??? :surprised:

I dunno. But I do recall being continually harried by a talking a$$.

[Stirling]

BusinessWorld
p.11, October 29-30, 2004

RP graduate studies

Only 1% of the country's 195 graduate schools offering programs in education, public administration and business education scored outstanding marks in a recent evaluative survey commissioned by the Commission on Higher Education. The study categorized schools into seven clusters, where the majority (58%) fell into middle ground. Conducted by the Fund for Assistance to Private Education or FAPE, the study found only two graduate schools of business, both in the National Capital Region (NCR), who fell into Cluster I-Outstanding category. The Ateneo Graduate School of Business topped the evaluation with a score of 4.6 out of a possible 5.0. Seven schools from NCR, Southern Tagalog, Western Visayas and Southern Mindanao were classified under Cluster II-Superior. Around 7% scored poorly. These are found in Ilocos, Cagayan Valley, Central Luzon, Southern Tagalog, Bicol, Central Visayas, Central Mindanao, ARMM and Caraga.
After BusinessWorld published that report, its editor-in-chief's scripts appeared in the leading dailies the following week asking for public apologies. BusinessWorld failed to emphasise in their report that the survey was conducted only amongst PRIVATE institutions. That means, UP - the Philippines' number one university - was not part of the survey. The apology can be accessed here in PEX as one UP student posted it in one of the threads here.

Grandpa, if you would read my post above more ardently, it did not say anything damaging to Ateneo. It was a plain and simple advice giving him hindsight of some of the Philippines' more prominent B-Schools. Let me say this again, I did not say anything bad about Ateneo. If he wishes for an Ateneo MBA, so let him have it. It's not that it's not easy to get one anyway. :lol:

[Tissot25]

An Ateneo MBA once asked in a conference call I was on, "How do you calculate the average of those figures?" :glee:

Despite that, I would still be attracted to an Ateneo MBA. I've got not much of a choice – I can't afford AIM and I'm not smart enough to get into UP. I guess I'm only as good any Ateneo MBA wannabe. This is what my smart colleagues have been telling me ever since and I'm so dumb to have not gotten it. So I'm going to Ateneo GSB this June.

[Stirling]

An Ateneo MBA once asked in a conference call I was on, "How do you calculate the average of those figures?"

Yikes!!! Maybe Quantitative Methods should remain a core subject in MBA! :naughty:

Sadly, I would suspect that we could all probably find an MBA from almost any school who is completely inept at business discipline. But the same is likely true to almost all other courses. You've got bad accountants, lawyers, teachers, etc., all coming out of good schools. Passing the course is a pretty good indication of possible ability and interest but it is not foolproof.

One bad MBA grad isn't necessarily indicative of how good a particular program is. Somewhere, sometime I am sure an AIM or UP grad might very well come off the same way. If a programme is churning those types out on a regular basis then there is reason to be concerned.

What are the MBA programmes offered by Ateneo, btw? I’ve heard they have like 4 kinds. :glee:

[BENEFACTORS]

Two things put me off Ateneo - which was my initial choice because I thught I won't make it to La Salle GSB given my poor grades in UP-CBA. One was their arrogant attitude which makes all HRs want to ****, and the second was the "managing financial resources" as I felt that two goes at it might not be a bad idea.

I felt vindicated when their "Ateneo - Regis Program" and "Master in Business and Health" bit the dust. :lol:

[Stirling]

^

You obviously chose the right school. And if you hadn't chosen La Salle we would have missed being entertained by your sparring with Nijinsky aka Tigre aka Greenturd! :lol:

[BENEFACTORS]

What sparring are you talking about???

I think that guy does not even have an undergrad qualification. And I don't recall having a verbal 'cut and thrust' incident with him. I don't stoop to such a "low" living thing, for your information. Duh! :naughty2:

[Tigre]

benefactors = stirling = gerry_lim Obvious ba? :lol:

I'll still stand by Nijinsky's post. Ateneo's MBA is the best and that's according to CHED/FAPE. These are the facts, and not mere opinions of self-confessed Ateneo/UST/DLSU bashers from Warwick ek-ek kuno.

Viva UST!
One Big Fight!
Hail La Salle Hail!

[Ultra_MegaStar]

I agree. Let the insecure basher (under various alternicks) say whatever he wants. The facts still prove AGSB's MBA is tops in the Philippines.


After reading the posts of the bashers above, here are facts from "BusinessWorld" proving that the Ateneo is no. 1:

BusinessWorld
p.11, October 29-30, 2004

RP graduate studies

Only 1% of the country's 195 graduate schools offering programs in education, public administration and business education scored outstanding marks in a recent evaluative survey commissioned by the Commission on Higher Education. The study categorized schools into seven clusters, where the majority (58%) fell into middle ground. Conducted by the Fund for Assistance to Private Education or FAPE, the study found only two graduate schools of business, both in the National Capital Region (NCR), who fell into Cluster I-Outstanding category. The Ateneo Graduate School of Business topped the evaluation with a score of 4.6 out of a possible 5.0. Seven schools from NCR, Southern Tagalog, Western Visayas and Southern Mindanao were classified under Cluster II-Superior. Around 7% scored poorly. These are found in Ilocos, Cagayan Valley, Central Luzon, Southern Tagalog, Bicol, Central Visayas, Central Mindanao, ARMM and Caraga.

_________
Who's more credible? Bashers of the Ateneo, or a study conducted by CHED/FAPE?

Nuff said.

Say all you want but no less than the CHED says Ateneo's MBA is the best. Until CHED says otherwise, this is a fact.

Sorry na lang to the insecure crabs in PEx. Just file your complaints and biased opinions with the CHED. :nuts:

[Ali]

I'm Atenean, I love the Ateneo so much I have not left since Prep school, but in this case, the so-called bashers have a point.

The Ateneo MBA program has improved by leaps and bounds in recent years, and its high rating is most probably the result of this dynamism. But it still has a very long way to go, because it went through very difficult times in the last two decades. (I surmise that this is because the AIM caused a 'brain-drain'. In case you don't know, the AIM began as a consortium among business (financing/infrastructure), DLSU (administration/networks), and ADMU (faculty/programs). But I'm just speculating.)

From where I stand, the Ateneo de Manila Graduate School of Business, while certainly excellent, is still not perceived as a major player. The AIM and DLSU are considered at the top of those fields. Furthermore, Ateneo MBA programs at this point still seem to lack the maturity and rootedness of the more stable programs at the AIM and at DLSU.

The AGSB is an excellent choice if you're looking for a fresh, dynamic environment to hone skills in social enterprise, marketing, and business processes. But check your options. I would think that if you're looking for a local MBA program with a proven track record and strong institutional partners, the AIM and DLSU are compelling choices.

Even among Ateneo college graduates, the order of preference for a local MBA school seems to be 1. AIM 2. DLSU 3. Ateneo. Of course, everyone wants to go abroad.

[bluerthanblue10]

If you're ambitious, intelligent and rich, go for the best. Go to The Ateneo.

pero ingat lang: kakainggitan ka ng mga patay gutom from UP and UST.

[Tissot25]

Ali, consider me a serious MBA aspirant. I am not a basher. :)

Last year, i did a personal 'survey' of the mba schools in metro manila and i found some noteworthy facts which you might have missed having.

* About 60% of the mba student population in UP have taken their undergrad in UP. many of them are honor grads of BA, BAA, BusEcon, Econ, Math and engineering.

* About 25% of the mba students in UP are Ateneo graduates. Almost ALL of them are ME, Management, Econ and MECO graduates with sterling undergrad GPAs.

* MBA profs in UP have better academic qualifications than those in la salle. all these UP profs have master's qualification and about half of them have gotten it from prestigious b-schools abroad such as harvard, columbia, berkeley, chicago, imperial-tanaka and LSE. they are full-time UP instructors but consultants to some established companies in the philippines, singapore, malaysia, vietnam and hong kong.

* I have yet to meet a UP grad who would readily pick a La Salle MBA to UP's given they have the opportunity to study in both b-schools. however, there are a number of la salle grads who prefer a UP MBA to their own.

* Asiaweek ranked UP several notches ahead of La Salle. For example, UP's part time program ranked #10 in Asia while La Salle was lingering at #24.


Well, these are some of the things i have found out when I did a 'survey' and because it was, like I said, personally done, it might not be 100% accurate. I was surprised that you ranked La Salle above UP. What are your bases for that?

[Tissot25]

If you're ambitious, intelligent and rich, go for the best. Go to The Ateneo.

pero ingat lang: kakainggitan ka ng mga patay gutom from UP and UST.
I have not attended UP but 6 from our top 10 in high school have and they are some of the most affluent filipinos i have met in my entire life. the son of the ownder of st. lukes medical center - who was our top 4 in high school went to UP and is now a med student in UP-PGH.

there are so many of them in UP. I don't think that with all the wealth and power that they have, you can rightly classify them "patay gutom" cause if they are, what makes that to your status? patay-gutom to the 100 power? :glee:

[Ali]

My basis is anecdotal. Admittedly, I omitted the UP for lack of information.

However, honestly, I do not recall any mention the the UP MBA program in any conversation I've had with my batchmates. Despite the fact that MBA's are a rather common topic among us (B.S. Management Engineering 1998).

None of my M.E. friends took a local MBA though, and I don't know if any of my M.E. batchmates took a local program either. As you can imagine, local MBA programs weren't really discussed objectively and in depth. And whenever they were, I usually hear of the AIM and La Salle. The Ateneo MBA Program is mentioned rarely. May panghihinayang pa sa tono.

I apologize if I seemed to imply that UP is inferior to La Salle. But I guess I should be excused. After graduating from business, I went straight to philosophy, education, and design! So what do I know? :D

[dexXA]

Hi. I’m a BAA graduate of UP and has an MBA from De La Salle. Here’s what I can tell you.

If you want reputation in Manila, my impression is, THE Ateneo is not for you – at present anyway. I fully understand that if you are positioning yourself in a market where the repute of your MBA is a choice criterion, a name brand is essential. And if that is your goal, those name schools will do the trick.
However, if the quality of the programme is a high-weighted criterion, consider what happened to me yesterday.

I've been working on a business review for about a week with a small team of colleagues. Among us is a gentleman with zero grasp of even the barest rudiments of business, finance or strategy. I didn't hold this against him, because he's an IT person by discipline and he claimed he got from THE Ateneo in Loyola, QC.

However, in casual conversation, he mentioned that he did an MBA. I casually asked which school? He gestured at a folder he carries around, with THE Ateneo Graduate School of Business emblazoned on it. (As well!) I stared blankly for a few seconds, trying to reconcile his absolute ignorance of even rudimentary business concepts with what I was hearing.

"Ateneo" I said stupidly. He nodded. Still struggling to resolve the profound cognitive dissonance, I asked "Have you finished?" thinking that perhaps he must be just starting, which would explain his nescience. He nodded. (Naisip ko, patay!)

"Ateneo MBA", I said stupidly. Perhaps it was some other course- management education or MSc. He nodded, and wondered why I was giving him that blank, baffled stare.

Uncharaceristically, I kept my opinion to myself. I was devastated. Sabi ko nalang sa sarili ko, grabe na’to! I could not imagine that after 2 years and circa 150 thousand pesos someone could emerge from a …ahem… *reputable* MBA programme like THE Ateneo's knowing little more about business than my plumber. I mean, we've had plenty occasions to discuss risk management, marketing, finance and strategy, and his contributions show zero aptitude beyond layman level. He knows absolutely zilch – daig pa s’ya nung mga undergrad students ng UP College of Business Administration!

It devastated not only my opinion of Ateneo, but of MBAs in general, I can tell you. I began to wonder whether my grasp of business issues is due more to my training in finance at UP than to my MBA in La Salle. Did the La Salle MBA really add value? But I had to conclude that it did. But was that only because I went over and beyond average effort to get a distinction in De La Salle GSB MBA? I had to conclude that, based on discussions here; other fellow alumni who did not get a distinction must still be leagues ahead of this clueless "Ateneo MBA" grad.

Beware of names, my new Malay friend. If that's what you need, go for it. But please, please, please, also ask about the rigour of the programme. Complex, hard, case-focused exams, that's the way to go. It may be that some of the name schools are also tough, but I just have to wonder whether a school that charges a fortune really has the guts and incentive to fail anybody- irrespective of their performance.
Hi BENEFACTORS.

I have had at LEAST two experiences whereby I discovered inadvertently after working with someone who appeared to have very little business acumen that they had not only obtained an MBA from Ateneo, but that they had attained honours (Distinction).

One was a stock broker. The other was a government consultant who had asked me to help her prepare a business card for her. When she asked me to record her MBA designation beside her name, I did 3 double-takes and then asked her what the MBA stood for thinking that it must surely have been some other designation using the same initials.

I had worked on projects with her for at least 4 years. I did a pretty good job feigning my shock although the fact that my head performed a 360 degree spinning maneuver might have given my astonishment away! I can tell you that it was at that very moment (March 2002) when I decided to start looking into MBA programs... and the rest is history.

Anyway, my thoughts... some MBA graduates or any graduate for that matter can perform exceptionally well in studies and course work... but in the real world.... well, that's a different story. Others can do OK too but may need to be shielded behind work groups.

[BENEFACTORS]

Hi BENEFACTORS.

I have had at LEAST two experiences whereby I discovered inadvertently after working with someone who appeared to have very little business acumen that they had not only obtained an MBA from Ateneo, but that they had attained honours (Distinction).

I suppose that explains all the MBA jokes now making the rounds. But it does clash painfully with one's expectations. The MBA designation is a very successful brand. It has come to be synonymous with rigorous business training.

I perhaps have very personal reasons for being besotted with the degree. My grandpa on my mother side (now 72 and retired) is a brilliant Professor of Economics, with a PhD from LSE. He is acknowledged to be an exceptionally smart man. However, in mid life, he went into business. It was large-scale manufacturing that had many innate competitive advantages and should have been very successful. It wasn't.

He failed in one business venture after another. At the end it was obvious he was made for the world of academia, not commerce. Now I am his carbon copy in all ways, and having set my mind on entrepreneurship, this worried me. He didn't succeed for two reasons: lack of basic business and financial knowledge, and a stubborn, inflexible temperament that defined irrational escalation.

It worries me that I have his temperament. This is why I took the 'interpersonal' electives- Negotiation and Influence in De La Salle GSB, and why I wanted an MBA so badly. I basically wanted to overcome his weaknesses so I succeed where he didn't.

So for me, the MBA was a designation with deep significance, the passport that was to guarantee that I would succeed in business. Any indication that it is less than this perfect passport is very disturbing. When even big name MBAs are so incompetent, it makes one feel like one has lost one's religion.

[Ultra_MegaStar]

Opinions are like @ssh0les. Everyone has one.

Bottomline -- according to the CHED/FAPE study in 2004, Ateneo's MBA is ranked no. 1 in the Philippines.

Anything else is just hearsay and the typical sourgraping. People are entitled to their opinion even if they are wrong. I'd rather believe CHED/FAPE.

Peace.

[Stirling]

^

if indeed such a report existed, how come you're hiding the full report from us? :glee:

[Bulldogs_Fans]

After reading the posts of the bashers above, here are facts from "BusinessWorld" proving that the Ateneo is no. 1:

BusinessWorld
p.11, October 29-30, 2004

RP graduate studies

Only 1% of the country's 195 graduate schools offering programs in education, public administration and business education scored outstanding marks in a recent evaluative survey commissioned by the Commission on Higher Education. The study categorized schools into seven clusters, where the majority (58%) fell into middle ground. Conducted by the Fund for Assistance to Private Education or FAPE, the study found only two graduate schools of business, both in the National Capital Region (NCR), who fell into Cluster I-Outstanding category. The Ateneo Graduate School of Business topped the evaluation with a score of 4.6 out of a possible 5.0. Seven schools from NCR, Southern Tagalog, Western Visayas and Southern Mindanao were classified under Cluster II-Superior. Around 7% scored poorly. These are found in Ilocos, Cagayan Valley, Central Luzon, Southern Tagalog, Bicol, Central Visayas, Central Mindanao, ARMM and Caraga.

_________
Who's more credible? Bashers of the Ateneo, or a study conducted by CHED/FAPE?

Nuff said.

Tama ka! CHED na mismo ang nagsasabi na Ateneo ang numero uno sa MBA.
Ang mga PIKON diyan, pag-awayan na lang ninyo ang no. 2 spot.

[Stirling]

Opinions are like @ssh0les. Everyone has one.
You're right, everyone has one but I didn't expect yours can rant. :lol:

[BENEFACTORS]

There's this old maxim: "small knowledge is dangerous" so beware!

And true enough, this basher's poor knowledge about the topic has cruelly endangered the supposed desired accord expected from these well-bred contributors whose only objective is but good – to seek the truth about Ateneos's standard vis-à-vis other shools' in Metro Manila as exactly what the thread starter has asked for.

Instead this brainless blue-blooded breathing mammal did nothing but ruin a good thread. And the disgusting yet funny part about it, bashing schools has become his most fervent nocturnal fantasy. It shows exactly the kind of education he bought from an expensive yet overrated institution, which worries our bereaved friend, Ali and his company that the survey results they've gathered might have been exact.

[hekyll31]

I'm an MBA student at DLSU-PS. i have few classmates from ateneo. some of them are really turned-off "daw" sa AGSB. :)

[Turd]

^ ^ ^^ Why? Were they rejected by Ateneo GSB? Is that why they are in DLSU?

Back to the topic --
According to the CHED, Ateneo's MBA is no. 1. As someone said before, the bashers and sourgrapers can argue on and on as to who's no. 2, but the top spot definitely belongs to Ateneo according to CHED. That's the fact. Yours are just opinions. Nuff said.

Bawi na lang kayo sa next CHED study.

Peace.

[hekyll31]

it's the opinion of my Atenean classmates.

okay lang yun, mas magaling naman kayo sa undergrad, e. :)

[chineseMALAY]

Is that how bad the reputation of Ateneo in Manila/Philippines?

Goodness, I wonder how many people get suckered in...

[chineseMALAY]

BENEFACTORS


Hi. I wonder why did you prefer the La Salle MBA to the UP/AIM MBA?

[froshie1]

Iyong mga ayaw sa ADMU and vice-versa, tanong ko lang na-ace nyo ba ang graduate school ninyo or maski ang inyong undergrad school ninyo? :D

[BENEFACTORS]

BENEFACTORS

Hi. I wonder why did you prefer the La Salle MBA to the UP/AIM MBA?
Hi.

It wasn't really a matter of preference going to La Salle instead of UP.

In the case of UP: I have always this utmost preference for a UP education. UP is way better than a La Sallle MBA – this is a no-brainer! I did not go to UP College of Business for the simple reason that I failed in their entrance exam. It's tough to get into UP MBA and it's hard to go through its program.

In the case of AIM: It's a good school and has a good brand name. I just don’t feel like going to AIM. I thought I would rather go to CEIBS in China or Melbourne in Australia than going to AIM.

In the case of Ateneo: What, are you nuts! This school is abused by clerks, secretaries and bank tellers who fancy a 5% rise in their monthly salaries after getting an MBA. And I'm not like that! Yikes..........

[intensity1214]

ok na ok. basta walang editan, lapastanganan, at dugasan ng listahan ha?

:)

[Turd]

Benefactors = Stirling = chineseMalay = gerry_lim :evil_lol:

Who's more credible? The bashers? Or the CHED study that says Ateneo's MBA is the best in the Philippines?

Go figure.

As usual ....... after more than 5 years, the same basher hasn't outgrown his jealousy and insecurity of Ateneo, the Harvard of the Philippines. Ganyan talaga basta ACET reject. :lol:

[chineseMALAY]

Benefactors = Stirling = chineseMalay = gerry_lim

Who's more credible? The bashers? Or the CHED study that says Ateneo's MBA is the best in the Philippines?

Go figure.

As usual ....... after more than 5 years, the same basher hasn't outgrown his jealousy and insecurity of Ateneo, the Harvard of the Philippines. Ganyan talaga basta ACET reject.
OK, I've given you a lot of stick, and vice versa. However, it has always been in the spirit of lively, honest discussion that I was hoping to get from you but instead you've shown nothing but incompetence for any form of professional verbal tussle and did absolutely nothing but accuse everyone here in the forum (thanks to your ateneo education!:glee: ) And for me it has been motivated solely by the desire to give feedback as a potential customer of Ateneo, and to make my prospective alma mater the best it can be. I believe we both love Ateneo,:bigvomit:and can disagree energetically without impugning each others' motives or integrity.

But when you hint about me writing under multiple user names or having suspicious motives for hiding my identity, that goes beyond disagreeing with my opinions (which I heartily welcome) to saying something unflattering about my character (which I think is unfair). In any case, my identity isn't any more secret than intensity1214 or the coward, Ultra_MegaStar or anyone else using a pseudonym. I correspond by e-mail with a few people who have contacted me off list.

Now if you don't have anything sensible to contribute to this thread as what many ateneans do in other message forums, you better play your childish games some where else. Not here.

thanks in advance.



best regards,
Eugene Khee Kuan Chan

[chineseMALAY]

In the case of UP: I have always this utmost preference for a UP education.
I did not go to UP College of Business for the simple reason that I failed in their entrance exam. It's tough to get into UP MBA and it's hard to go through its program.
I would neither confirm nor deny that assertion but I have heard several times of similar confessions from some of the highly intellectual people I have met in my entire life. Indeed UP is not just the most famous brand name in the Philippines but its graduates are highly sought after in the whole ASEAN region.

The truth is, I've always set my sight for a UP MBA but my somewhat poor grades in the undergraduate, which I have earned from LSE btw, wouldn't make my application stirring enough for those UP admission officers to accept me.

I'm really glad to have found a very useful tool of information from you, BENEFACTORS. I hope the Ateneans would conduct themselves in a more cultured behavior, but then again, that is if they know how to do so.

[Ultra_MegaStar]

Right on target!

Rest assured, many of us in PEx already know of this insecure person.

Benefactors = Stirling = chineseMalay = gerry_lim :evil_lol:

Who's more credible? The bashers? Or the CHED study that says Ateneo's MBA is the best in the Philippines?

Go figure.

As usual ....... after more than 5 years, the same basher hasn't outgrown his jealousy and insecurity of Ateneo, the Harvard of the Philippines. Ganyan talaga basta ACET reject. :lol:


I agree. CHED is more credible than the bashers. Some losers cannot accept reality. Oh well........

[Stirling]

Right on target!

Rest assured, many of us in PEx already know of this insecure person.

I agree. CHED is more credible than the bashers. Some losers cannot accept reality. Oh well........

These people have made serious unsympathetic indictments about your low wit's level like being the dumbest person in this forum, and all you can say is just that?

Goodness, granny, get yourself a tutor and come back again when you can contribute something relevant to the discussion, or when you can eloquently defend yourself from their mockery so you won’t look very stupid like what you appear to be now. Pathetic.

[Stirling]

But when you hint about me writing under multiple user names or having suspicious motives for hiding my identity, that goes beyond disagreeing with my opinions (which I heartily welcome) to saying something unflattering about my character (which I think is unfair). In any case, my identity isn't any more secret than intensity1214 or the coward, Ultra_MegaStar or anyone else using a pseudonym. I correspond by e-mail with a few people who have contacted me off list.

best regards,
Eugene Khee Kuan Chan
I have this impression that you don't speak well in Tagalog but if you do, I’d like to ask a little favour from you to translate the paragraph which I quoted above for this pex joker, Ultra_Megastar. (Don’t you find his user name funny too?) :lol:

It's so depressing that his expensive Ateneo education miserably failed to equip him the knack to comprehend the simplest denotation of your supposedly uncomplicated message. And if a guy like him who has shown us nothing but a serious lack of the rudimentary skills in understanding the English language, I’m afraid I have to counsel you not to take this clown’s post with seriousness. He could be amusing from time to time but he’s also a big deception and the mods here just simply love him because he’s one of their own! :naughty:

[Turd]

I have this impression that you don't speak well in Tagalog but if you do....

Try carabao English. I'm sure you'll understand yourself, Mr. Vivid UPian. :naughty: :lol:

Breeze ourselves for an exhilarating experience. :evil_lol:

[intensity1214]

excuse me, but it should be "brace ourselves."

i might have missed something. :)

[Stirling]

Try carabao English. I'm sure you'll understand yourself, Mr. Vivid UPian. :naughty: :lol:

Breeze ourselves for an exhilarating experience. :evil_lol:
Let's get into carabao english only when you answer my question, promise po! Gusto mo kabayo english pa basta po sagutin mo yung tanong ko.

Is THE Ateneo the Harvard of America po ba?

[mandennis]

OK, I've given you a lot of stick, and vice versa. However, it has always been in the spirit of lively, honest discussion that I was hoping to get from you but instead you've shown nothing but incompetence for any form of professional verbal tussle and did absolutely nothing but accuse everyone here in the forum (thanks to your ateneo education!:glee: ) And for me it has been motivated solely by the desire to give feedback as a potential customer of Ateneo, and to make my prospective alma mater the best it can be. I believe we both love Ateneo,:bigvomit:and can disagree energetically without impugning each others' motives or integrity.

But when you hint about me writing under multiple user names or having suspicious motives for hiding my identity, that goes beyond disagreeing with my opinions (which I heartily welcome) to saying something unflattering about my character (which I think is unfair). In any case, my identity isn't any more secret than intensity1214 or the coward, Ultra_MegaStar or anyone else using a pseudonym. I correspond by e-mail with a few people who have contacted me off list.

Now if you don't have anything sensible to contribute to this thread as what many ateneans do in other message forums, you better play your childish games some where else. Not here.

thanks in advance.



best regards,
Eugene Khee Kuan Chan

Eugene or chineseMalay,

for someone like you who's saying you're new in the country and new to PEx (as of this month) to ask around about the reputation of AGSB, this thread you started, it is quite surprising for you to be getting up to speed about the situation and topic of this thread to have an inkling or come to a conclusion about people getting "suckered in" and be quick to judge someone's character, particularly calling someone a "coward."
i do not believe how a newbie like you, with more or less 10 posts to show, can be in the know so soon. this is the reason some people here have their doubts. why? It is hard to imagine how a foreigner like you (claiming to be applying for Filipino citizenship and said to be engaging in a "professional" discussion) can figure it out that fast to arrive at a determination of the reputation of AGSB, much more abrasively judge, in general, ateneans and ateneo education (with a matching vomitting icon) based on the 40 or so posts in this thread, that are quite frankly mostly BS.
An intellligent person, who i presume you are, should be able to discern that the tone and character of the "professional" discussion going on in this thread has deteriorated into bashing with sweeping genralizations of stupidity of this or that person. it makes you realize that this thread of yours is not really the place to address your query. I am no former AGSB student, but if you really think you have formed an impression about the reputation of AGSB based on what you've been reading here, then doubts may do arise here.

[Turd]

It's quite obvious to most PExers.

chineseMALAY = stirling = BENEFACTORS = the banned gerry_lim = the banned HURST = the banned charlie_g = the banned Singapore_guy = KADIRIpagBLUE = other 100+ banned alternicks

Mr. Vivid UPian
Mr. Breeze Yourselves
Mr. Schizphrenic Pretentious
Mr. Warwick_Guy (kuno)

and so on............ :evil_lol:

[Stirling]

^

Some people in this forum have challenged you to say something objective about Ateneo's MBA programme and that's the only thing you'll going to say? Another bash! Yan lang ba - ang mang bash - ang natutunan mo sa apat na taon mong nag-aral sa Ateneo?

[Stirling]

Eugene or chineseMalay,

for someone like you who's saying you're new in the country and new to PEx (as of this month) to ask around about the reputation of AGSB, this thread you started, it is quite surprising for you to be getting up to speed about the situation and topic of this thread to have an inkling or come to a conclusion about people getting "suckered in" and be quick to judge someone's character, particularly calling someone a "coward."
i do not believe how a newbie like you, with more or less 10 posts to show, can be in the know so soon. this is the reason some people here have their doubts. why? It is hard to imagine how a foreigner like you (claiming to be applying for Filipino citizenship and said to be engaging in a "professional" discussion) can figure it out that fast to arrive at a determination of the reputation of AGSB, much more abrasively judge, in general, ateneans and ateneo education (with a matching vomitting icon) based on the 40 or so posts in this thread, that are quite frankly mostly BS.
An intellligent person, who i presume you are, should be able to discern that the tone and character of the "professional" discussion going on in this thread has deteriorated into bashing with sweeping genralizations of stupidity of this or that person. it makes you realize that this thread of yours is not really the place to address your query. I am no former AGSB student, but if you really think you have formed an impression about the reputation of AGSB based on what you've been reading here, then doubts may do arise here.
do you have anything to say about Ateneo's MBA programme?

[chineseMALAY]

Eugene or chineseMalay,

for someone like you who's saying you're new in the country and new to PEx (as of this month) to ask around about the reputation of AGSB, this thread you started, it is quite surprising for you to be getting up to speed about the situation and topic of this thread to have an inkling or come to a conclusion about people getting "suckered in" and be quick to judge someone's character, particularly calling someone a "coward."
i do not believe how a newbie like you, with more or less 10 posts to show, can be in the know so soon. this is the reason some people here have their doubts. why? It is hard to imagine how a foreigner like you (claiming to be applying for Filipino citizenship and said to be engaging in a "professional" discussion) can figure it out that fast to arrive at a determination of the reputation of AGSB, much more abrasively judge, in general, ateneans and ateneo education (with a matching vomitting icon) based on the 40 or so posts in this thread, that are quite frankly mostly BS.
An intellligent person, who i presume you are, should be able to discern that the tone and character of the "professional" discussion going on in this thread has deteriorated into bashing with sweeping genralizations of stupidity of this or that person. it makes you realize that this thread of yours is not really the place to address your query. I am no former AGSB student, but if you really think you have formed an impression about the reputation of AGSB based on what you've been reading here, then doubts may do arise here.

Hi mandennis

It was never my intention to hurt, surprise or appall you for which I am willing to offer inadequate apologies, but, well, I take a lot of stick from these Atenean clowns, much of it reflecting on the professionalism of me and my comrades.

A short list of their "contributions" to re-designing the very purpose of this thread would include that Ateneo is the best b-school in the Philippines because CHED says so (though he/they couldn’t provide the link to this alleged CHED’s report) and specifically that he/they:

* Hinted about me writing under multiple user names which I think is unfair.

* Every now and again, someone, unnamed, writes to PEX suggesting one or other of the above, or some new one, which I try to respond to with patience and good grace and then your good self (also writing under a user name) joins in and condemns my good purpose for any or all of the above (your good writing style makes it bearable and your logic is impeccable nevertheless you have not said anything about the topic).

* You are surprised and appalled that I comment on the anonymity of our critics. I am no longer surprised at much nowadays but stating critical views usually is best undertaken by the courtesy of identifying oneself.

* I have no way of knowing, nor do other readers, of the credibility of these critics, or worse (because we can judge credibility by the worth of their contributions) of their motivations - are they MBA students/alumni contributing in the interests of their School and themselves as valued customers, or are they interlopers with zilch knowledge about the topic enjoying themselves by undermining other schools’ feats and getting us all arguing endlessly about the merits or otherwise of the MBA in the Philippines?

and probably others I have forgotten about




Kind regards
Eugene Khee Kuan Chan

[Stirling]

chineseMALAY,

The sad and ridiculous thing about this bashings in this forum is that this/these basher/s is/are but the mods of PEX.

Sana lang bagohin na nila ang ugali nila. what they're doing is not funny at all. Sinisira pa nila ang image ng alma mater nila.

[paralusi]

A short list of their "contributions" to re-designing the very purpose of this thread would include that Ateneo is the best b-school in the Philippines because CHED says so (though he/they couldn’t provide the link to this alleged CHED’s report) and specifically that he/they:


I hope this article (http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2005/01/28/YNCP2005012827293.html) helps.

peace.

[Turd]

^ ^ ^ Now, that's what you call pure, unadulterated fact....
....unlike the lists and posts of the PEx clown (i.e., the one who has major problems with simple subject-verb agreement) who deliberately tampered with and edited "The Top Accounting Schools in Asia-Pacific" (originally published by the University of New South Wales) and "The Top Schools According to SMS Survey" (originally published by University of Warwick). :lol:

[mac_bolan00]

"best private business school." what a title! :lol:

[Turd]

may nainggit na naman. :rolleyes:

[mac_bolan00]

yep, any first-placer will be jealous of the second fiddle. :rolleyes:

[Turd]

^ ^ ^ Not true. I'm not jealous of UP, UST, DLSU or whichever is the 2nd placer. :D

For full-time MBA programs, I also doubt if AIM is jealous of the 2nd placer.

[mac_bolan00]

fool. knows the first but not the second.

[Turd]

We don't really care that much who's under us.

[BENEFACTORS]

^ ^ ^ Now, that's what you call pure, unadulterated fact....
....unlike the lists and posts of the PEx clown
Well, that Stirling chap certainly appears dashing enough. If the voting for ranking the number one clown were based on cool sunshades and Miami Vice appeal, it's clear why he was ranked number one clown in PEX.

However, as we all know rankings are subjective and capricious. A more credible ranking process would have certainly revealed that the top Clown worldwide is one Turd, Atenean. :lol:

[dexXA]

Stirling is PEX's Mr. Clown? :eyecrazy:

Turd aka Ultra_Megastar aka intensity1214 would probably ran a very close second and I am certain that he will soon be receiving word from PEX members that he was indeed the runner-up and if for any reason Stirling cannot fulfill his obligations and live up to the PEX rankings for Mr Clown morality code then him, as first runner up, will become PEX’s Mr. Clown for 2005! :grinroll::grinroll::grinroll:

[mandennis]

do you have anything to say about Ateneo's MBA programme?

it will not matter what my views are about AGSB. besides, i said earlier that I am not a former AGSB student. like chineseMalay, i was hoping for some informative views about the topic and none of those bashing that we are seeing again after our posts.

[dexXA]

then tell the moderators este Turd and alllllllllllll his alternicks to behave. Ateneans in PEX are so gara.

gara is the visayan word for jologs este kalogs. :lol:

[BENEFACTORS]

"best private business school." what a title! :lol:
What a honorable title for a business school! :lol::lol::lol:

[dexXA]

"best private business school." what a title! :lol:
uy, napakagandang slogan nyan...

De La Salle U - the Best Private University in the Philippines!

Ateneo GSB - the Best Private Business School in the Philippines (except AIM!)


hmmn... ganda! :lol::rocker::lol:

[mandennis]

Hi mandennis

It was never my intention to hurt, surprise or appall you for which I am willing to offer inadequate apologies, but, well, I take a lot of stick from these Atenean clowns, much of it reflecting on the professionalism of me and my comrades.

A short list of their "contributions" to re-designing the very purpose of this thread would include that Ateneo is the best b-school in the Philippines because CHED says so (though he/they couldn’t provide the link to this alleged CHED’s report) and specifically that he/they:

* Hinted about me writing under multiple user names which I think is unfair.

* Every now and again, someone, unnamed, writes to PEX suggesting one or other of the above, or some new one, which I try to respond to with patience and good grace and then your good self (also writing under a user name) joins in and condemns my good purpose for any or all of the above (your good writing style makes it bearable and your logic is impeccable nevertheless you have not said anything about the topic).

* You are surprised and appalled that I comment on the anonymity of our critics. I am no longer surprised at much nowadays but stating critical views usually is best undertaken by the courtesy of identifying oneself.

* I have no way of knowing, nor do other readers, of the credibility of these critics, or worse (because we can judge credibility by the worth of their contributions) of their motivations - are they MBA students/alumni contributing in the interests of their School and themselves as valued customers, or are they interlopers with zilch knowledge about the topic enjoying themselves by undermining other schools’ feats and getting us all arguing endlessly about the merits or otherwise of the MBA in the Philippines?

and probably others I have forgotten about




Kind regards
Eugene Khee Kuan Chan

Sir,

point taken. that is why we have to be careful of our reactions and/or inputs. remember, like you originally intended, we are viewing this thread of yours to gather some info/thoughts on the subject, and not engage in any form of prejudice. let's try to keep it that way.

[barako_cafe_00]

Try carabao English. I'm sure you'll understand yourself, Mr. Vivid UPian. :naughty: :lol:

Breeze ourselves for an exhilarating experience. :evil_lol:

duh! are you an atenean?
Vivid UPian? don't you mean Bright? Intelligent?
and it's not Breeze it's BRACE!
para kang t@ngang bisayang nag-aaral sa isang third-tier university sa UK! :rolleyes:

[barako_cafe_00]

On topic: i admire ateneo's MBA program. :) though it's not as good as AIM or NUS, it's still one of the best in Asia. :)

so there...

[BENEFACTORS]

Stirling is PEX's Mr. Clown? :eyecrazy:

Turd aka Ultra_Megastar aka intensity1214 would probably ran a very close second and I am certain that he will soon be receiving word from PEX members that he was indeed the runner-up and if for any reason Stirling cannot fulfill his obligations and live up to the PEX rankings for Mr Clown morality code then him, as first runner up, will become PEX’s Mr. Clown for 2005!

Credible reports in today's edition of The National Enquirer reveal that Mr TURD has already compromised the PEX rankings morality code. Inside sources reveal that he gamed the rankings for PEX Mr. Clown process by misrepresenting facts to boost his 'cool factor'. :lol:

Sources close to the ranking journalist claim that Mr TURD when responding to the PEX questionnaire (answers are essential for the selection process) exaggerated his physical height by 15% of one centimetre, underestimated his girth by a full 70% of an inch, and inflated his tally of past girlfriends by including 2 unconsummated dalliances. Certain other bodily measurements which cannot be referred to directly on a family forum, were also reported to have been wildly exaggerated.

There have also been credible allegations appertaining to governance issues with regards to his service as a PEX host. Insiders claim Mr TURD was instrumental in smoothing reported numbers of log- ons to the PEX, of recognising log-ons that were terminated halfway, and hiding off-database liabilities to boost his annual performance bonus of $0.01 by as much as 60%.

I therefore take this opportunity to publicly call on Mr TURD to do the honorable thing and resign as Mr Clown. I call on PEX to restate their published rankings and name Ultra_Megastar as Mr Clown 2005. All benefits previously accruing to MR TURD, including girlfriends resulting from the publishing of "adulterated facts", are to be transferred to Ultra_Megastar forthwith. :grinroll::grinroll::grinroll:

[IasaIIite]

I'm confused. Isn't gerry_lim the widely acknowledged PEx clown? As I recall, he's the guy fom UP who is pretending to be from Warwick and LSGH, but that's highly doubtful because he can barely communicate in proper English. Someone here in PEx said he's from one of the Visayan islands. Peace.

[chineseMALAY]

Time to join the brainy bunch! (Of course I’m not talking about these pretenders from Loyola!!!) :lol:


LOL!!!

Poor Turd, the greatest pretenders in the history of man kind! What will become of him?

Unfortunately, reports from insiders at PEX are indicating that there may have been some controversies with the tabulation of votes... something about hanging chads or some such. These issues apparently didn't change the standing of the first place finisher (Stirling) but rather, and you probably guessed this, the second place finisher. It is alleged that he was toppled by one lousy vote after eleven recounts were conducted. They haven't formally announced the new second place finisher but informed sources have leaked it out. It is some guy from the Loyola, QC hiding by a name as "Lasallite" who possesses magnificent yet "mystical" business acumen. The one vote differential is attributed to the rating question relating to "Superior Marketing Skills". I think PEX is delaying its announcement until it first deals with Turd's legal representation. They may negotiate a compromise because they really, really, really want to be able to use Turd's photo on the cover of ultra "Mega" magazine. The compromise might involve Tuird giving up the title but agreeing to provide his likeness in the magazine's prestigious centrefold. We will wait and see what happens..............

:lol:

[Spyderman]

Hi.

I married a beautiful Filipina who was a classmate of mine way back in college at a UK uni. Now, I am in the process of getting my Filipino citizenship and wanted some opinions on Ateneo's reputation in the Philippine/ASEAN market. I believe UP, AIM, La Salle and UA&P are the main players with respect to employers selection process. Is Ateneo GSB well regarded in Manila/Philippines or in the ASEAN at large?

Thanks,

Eugene Khee Kuan Chan

How come you're asking these questions, yet it seems that you are so anti-Ateneo based on your other posts, especially your subsequent posts? Did you start this thread to bash Ateneo?

Anyway, back to the topic -
In the Philippines, Ateneo and DLSU are the best for part-time MBA. AIM is the best for full-time MBA. Nothing follows IMO.

[chineseMALAY]

How come you're asking these questions, yet it seems that you are so anti-Ateneo based on your other posts, especially your subsequent posts? Did you start this thread to bash Ateneo?
am i anti-ateneo or anti-ateneans who are so gaga over UP's feats and successes??????

Anyway, back to the topic -
In the Philippines, Ateneo and DLSU are the best for part-time MBA. AIM is the best for full-time MBA. Nothing follows IMO.
ah........o......kay...........
so what are your basis? have you studied in those b-schools?
thanks for the input.



Now, I shall go back to my stick factory to prepare plenty more stick to give to these pretenders from Loyola.

[Stirling]

hello po.
magtagalog naman po kayo please.
my atenean friends have a hard time sundan po ang mga banat nyo kasi nga english.
sobrang sosi talaga ang mga taga UP....... british connections..... kaso, some insecure ateneans can't accept it.
eh, maski nga Paris o Milan hindi narating tapos ang yabang!
may guts pang mang bash. pwe!
master nyo muna ang subject-verb agreement.

thank you po.

[barako_cafe_00]

^^ bisaya ba ang friend mo?

[dexXA]

chineseMALAY,

I’m just done with my little research about ateneo business school and now i can conclude that it's the least prestigious b-school amongst the schools you mentioned.

PRESTIGE/RANKING: failed!
it's not ranked. i checked with asiaweek’s ranking of the best mba schools in asia/australia and to my surprised, it was not in the list, not even in the bottom of the league. However, 3 prestigious b-schools in the philippines are ranked. in the full-time programme, AIM ranked first in the philippines followed by UP then La Salle. in the part-time programme, UP was the undisputed number one in the philippines then la salle was a far second. in both categories, ateneo failed to creep in the rankings.

QUALITY OF STUDENTS: Failed!!
it's true that a number of students at ateneo gsb are clerks, secretaries, sales rep and bank tellers. there are also a number of students who are very young aged 21 to 23, menaing no sufficient work experience.

QUALITY OF FACULTY: Failed!!!
only 2 instructors in ateneo gsb have phd. a number of instructors handling mba programmes don't even have any master's qualifications

PROGRAMME: still to checked
i have not checked how good its programme is........

so there. it's up to you if you're still interested to go to ateneo...

[vivothomasino]

Feeling ko lang ha, hindi masyadong significant ang Ateneo MBA sa ASEAN. Sa Philippines siguro, medyo ok pa ang reputation niya, after AIM, La salle and UP. At fourth place, mejo hindi na nakakahiya hindi ba? But if you would really want a quality MBA education, AIM or La Salle or UP. I heard kasi sa Ateneo, pwede mong tulugan yung mga klase. My two cents.

[intensity1214]

chineseMALAY,
Sana lang bagohin na nila ang ugali nila. what they're doing is not funny at all. Sinisira pa nila ang image ng alma mater nila.

what's "bagohin"? :shrug:

[Stirling]

YIKES!!!!!! :surprised:

I was searching for a very important document in my dad’s office and found myself holding copies of our domestic helpers’ profiles by accident. I was stunned when I flipped the pages and saw our matron’s profile – there in front of my 20/20 vision written in bold and in all caps by a typewriter an MBA from Ateneo right after her name.

BTW, her dad is from Cebu and her mom is from Leyte but she grew up in Loyola, QC. i guess i picked from her some of those weird tagalog words that i know.....

[Royal_Highness]

This has turned into a bashing thread due largely to one insecure person with multiple alternicks.

This is the most sensible post so far. Let's stick to facts, not opinions.

After reading the posts of the bashers above, here are facts from "BusinessWorld" proving that the Ateneo is no. 1:

BusinessWorld
p.11, October 29-30, 2004

RP graduate studies

Only 1% of the country's 195 graduate schools offering programs in education, public administration and business education scored outstanding marks in a recent evaluative survey commissioned by the Commission on Higher Education. The study categorized schools into seven clusters, where the majority (58%) fell into middle ground. Conducted by the Fund for Assistance to Private Education or FAPE, the study found only two graduate schools of business, both in the National Capital Region (NCR), who fell into Cluster I-Outstanding category. The Ateneo Graduate School of Business topped the evaluation with a score of 4.6 out of a possible 5.0. Seven schools from NCR, Southern Tagalog, Western Visayas and Southern Mindanao were classified under Cluster II-Superior. Around 7% scored poorly. These are found in Ilocos, Cagayan Valley, Central Luzon, Southern Tagalog, Bicol, Central Visayas, Central Mindanao, ARMM and Caraga.

_________
Who's more credible? Bashers of the Ateneo, or a study conducted by CHED/FAPE?

Nuff said.

[Stirling]

^

but UP was excluded in that survey so walang silbe yan.

ang basher dito ay ikaw lang naman at yung multiple alternicks mo, diba? :naughty:

[Linda Lovelace]

This is a horrible thread. My observation - too much bashing by the same person with multiple alternicks.

Let's stick to facts. I agree with the post of Nijinsky. CHED is reliable and, according to CHED, Ateneo's MBA is the best. The others who claim this and that are the best are only expressing their own personal opinions and biases. Crab mentality. Peace.

[Stirling]

Time to join the brainy bunch! (Of course I’m not talking about these pretenders from Loyola!!!)


LOL!!!

Poor Turd, the greatest pretenders in the history of man kind! What will become of him?

Unfortunately, reports from insiders at PEX are indicating that there may have been some controversies with the tabulation of votes... something about hanging chads or some such. These issues apparently didn't change the standing of the first place finisher (Stirling) but rather, and you probably guessed this, the second place finisher. It is alleged that he was toppled by one lousy vote after eleven recounts were conducted. They haven't formally announced the new second place finisher but informed sources have leaked it out. It is some guy from the Loyola, QC hiding by a name as "Lasallite" who possesses magnificent yet "mystical" business acumen. The one vote differential is attributed to the rating question relating to "Superior Marketing Skills". I think PEX is delaying its announcement until it first deals with Turd's legal representation. They may negotiate a compromise because they really, really, really want to be able to use Turd's photo on the cover of ultra "Mega" magazine. The compromise might involve Tuird giving up the title but agreeing to provide his likeness in the magazine's prestigious centrefold. We will wait and see what happens..............


L o L .................

I would reluctantly abdicate my hard earned title - as PEX's clown - to the intelligent soul (Turd aka Ultra_Megastar aka intensity1214 aka LaSallite and now aka Linda_Lovelace - what a name! :lol: ) whose posts sighted on this forum and several others which all of them about bashing UP and its students, and who apparently goes by the initials KD and is NOT a bonafide MBA grad from a prestigious b-school.

This person has demonstrated a real application of arcane theories learned in subjects such as Philosophy, Theology, Humanities and Finance (ie, it's important to have a legal and up to date will), among others.

So, I hereby hand over my title as soon as this genius can be located. :grinroll:



Why is Ateneo not ranked? :throwup:

[Hun]

I hope this article (http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2005/01/28/YNCP2005012827293.html) helps.

peace.


Thanks for the link to the article on the CHED study.

[Stirling]

^

that does not answer my question and the thread starter's. that survey is incomplete. UP was excluded.
and in any ranking accrediting body, local or international, the name Ateneo was always absent. why?

[Turd]

Please stop showing the link to the article as proof that Ateneo's MBA is no. 1 according to CHED. You're driving somebody here in PEx nuts with envy. :naughty:

Let's breeze ourselves for more fake lists, altered articles, non-stop sourgraping and bashing from this insecure person. :evil_lol:

[mba_guy]

L o L .................

Why is Ateneo not ranked?

I’d like to make this on record that ateneo does not participate in any ranking game whether credible or not or either local or international.





ateneo intentionally avoided to participate in last 2000 survey of asiaweek’s best MBA in Asia and that is the reason why it is “not ranked” in that survey.

I teach part- time in Ateneo gsb. And btw, i agree with you that some ateneans in this thread are just nuisance and a big disgrace to their alma mater.

[mba_guy]

Here's an interesting article on an oft-discussed issue in this forum:

http://www.ebfonline.com/at_forum/at_forum.asp?id=420&linked=418


In this article, Ilja van Roon argues against the narrow pursuit of rankings and infers that focusing on rankings and ignoring broader avenues of improving an institution's reputation could result in a higher ranking with an inferior reputation(!)

[Stirling]

I’d like to make this on record that ateneo does not participate in any ranking game whether credible or not or either local or international.

ateneo intentionally avoided to participate in last 2000 survey of asiaweek’s best MBA in Asia and that is the reason why it is “not ranked” in that survey.

meron ho bang "phobia" ang Ateneo sa ranking (and accreditation?) :naughty:

[SSS_GSIS]

Ateneo MBA's reputation in Manila --- second to Asian Institute of Management.

Ateneo MBA's reputation ASEAN ----- at par with NUS, Chulalangkorn's.

[dexXA]

Ateneo MBA's reputation in Manila --- second to Asian Institute of Management.

Ateneo MBA's reputation ASEAN ----- at par with NUS, Chulalangkorn's.
akala ko ba sabi ng ched #1. :naughty:

[SSS_GSIS]

akala ko ba sabi ng ched #1. :naughty:

basahin at intindihin mo muna yung article from CHED. :naughty:

[dexXA]

binasa ko, magkaiba pa rin sa sinabi mo....

[Turd]

Ang saya saya. Many alternicks from the same person na walang tigil sa pagka-insecure and bitter. Same S-V problems no matter what alternick is used. :naughty2:

Basta, based on facts from no less than the CHED itself, Ateneo's MBA is tops. Anything else is "down under." :evil_lol:

[dexXA]

Ang saya saya. Many alternicks from the same person na walang tigil sa pagka-insecure and bitter. Same S-V problems no matter what alternick is used.
nagtatagalog naman ako. :glee:

alternick? :naughty:

[zippo_d_frog]

Browsing through this forum and seeing the thread started, I knew immediately that responses would be tainted with undue comparisons and subjective comments.

The quality of an MBA education does not rest solely on the institution itself to execute the program but the students' learning ability and the knack of maximizing the knowledge from the faculty and classmates. Learning starts and ends with the desired interaction.

As much as I cannot intelligently speak about today's current academic competence level of students, faculty, administration and the curriculum of the Ateneo Graduate School of Business, I surely have learned a lot through the rigors of obtaining my degree when I took it years ago.

We had field experts considered as top of the heap in practice that included top executives from the biggest corporations in the Philippines and Asia.

If you happen to bump into a lemon with academic distinctions, remember that there are tons of MBA aspirants who are excellent in the classroom but cannot execute a single program. MBA is after all an academic program and the academe is very distant from actual practice. Remember, AIM professors themselves fail miserably in business ventures they enter as an entrepreneur.

I am still an advocate that the responsibility to optimize and actualize the potential of an MBA degree leans on the student's will and situation to maximize it. Some may learn better use of numbers, some become more articulate and become better presentors, some may learn nothing because their situation does not permit.

Rather than judge an MBA program or commend, take a serious look at the dynamics of academic management. It is not as easy as it seems.

[Turd]

I agree. For example, there are certain students from the south (translation: Bisaya) who are allegedly (translation: daw or kuno) studying in foreign universities (eg Warwick), but who remain practically illiterate (i.e., cannot master simple spelling and S-V agreement). :naughty2:

[intensity1214]

hehehe
:D

[BENEFACTORS]

I’d like to make this on record that ateneo does not participate in any ranking game whether credible or not or either local or international.


ateneo intentionally avoided to participate in last 2000 survey of asiaweek’s best MBA in Asia and that is the reason why it is “not ranked” in that survey.

I teach part- time in Ateneo gsb. And btw, i agree with you that some ateneans in this thread are just nuisance and a big disgrace to their alma mater.
I'd like to know how will Ateneo benefit from avoiding ranking games?

did ateneo consult its students for that decision because prestigious schools like UP and AIM observe an open communication with their students. In these 2 prestigious schools, surveys showed that 67% of their students favoured participating in ranking games.

[BENEFACTORS]

I agree. For example, there are certain students from the south (translation: Bisaya) who are allegedly (translation: daw or kuno) studying in foreign universities (eg Warwick), but who remain practically illiterate (i.e., cannot master simple spelling and S-V agreement). :naughty2:
you're soo your user name... turd... :lol:

[Turd]

Bottomline, CHED already declared Ateneo's MBA to be no. 1. For the losers - specifically, the Bisaya who's not good enough to pass ACET - better luck next time. Kayo rin. Ang puso niyo. Baka lalong magka-leche-leche na naman ang mga subject-verb agreement niyo. :naughty:

Ang saya! :lol:

[BENEFACTORS]

Here's an interesting article on an oft-discussed issue in this forum:

In this article, Ilja van Roon argues against the narrow pursuit of rankings and infers that focusing on rankings and ignoring broader avenues of improving an institution's reputation could result in a higher ranking with an inferior reputation(!)Let me start this by saying your article basis is not 100% relevant to Philippine based business schools.

Anyway, is THAT how you interpreted it?

Interesting... I suppose that illustrates the psychological principle of selective perception (or perceptual defence as it was called in Marketing). We all see what we want to see, distort what we do recognise and interpret information to suit our biases. Well, here's my own biased, subjective interpretation (note that I advocate pursuing ranking without the expense of quality):


from the article:
"95 per cent of the nearly 5,000 then recent MBA graduates cited rankings as the most influential media source in helping form their impression of the schools" That simply supports my assertion that rankings are a choice criteria for potential students (i.e. customers). And if a business is not about aligning their offering to meet the choice criteria of potential customers, then Ateneo has misguided its students with their Marketing teachings. (Or there isn't a Marketing subject in Ateneo?)


from the article:
"While they criticise the methodology and criteria, schools hope for increased student applications associated with positive ranking results" Flaws in the ranking process are no reason to shun them. They bring in customers, which Philippine business schools needed so badly to survive, thrive and be competitive in the global arena. Business Schools in India, Hong Kong, Singapore and Australia are now realising that. And if bringing in customers is not what your business is about, then what IS it about?


from the article:
"Schools, however, say they try hard to resist pressure to radically alter the school on a more fundamental level to cater better to the ranking's criteria, seeing this as a challenge to their identity " No kidding.

- - - - - - - - - -


It's hardly any surprise that by any criteria of success or quality Philippine business schools (AIM, UP, La Salle, Ateneo, UST ) are leagues behind their American counterparts. On average, whatever the criteria, a list of top 100 business schools worldwide will comprise 65% American schools, 5% Asian and 0% ASEAN!

The difference?

American schools realised long ago that they were in business. Thus, they look to customers, competitive position and private-sector accreditation as measures of success and sources of funds. Asian schools, particularly the Philippines, is still tied to their government's apron strings – that organization we call CHED, and still look to their governments for legitimacy, accreditation and to some extent, funding and control.

It must be manifestly difficult to teach competitive business when you are yourself little more than an extension of our local CHED. When Philippine businesses start thinking of themselves as businesses and of their students as customers, they will raise their game, focus more on customer-relevant metrics like rankings, and -maybe- start giving their American colleagues - sorry, competitors- a run for their money.

There is no logical reason to suppose that aspiring to a good ranking should be mutually exclusive to quality pedagogy. I agree with the writer that it is foolish to pursue the former at the expense of the latter. That would be like trying to market a bad product. First, you develop a quality pedagogy (Product), Price it appropriately, distribute it effectively (Place), then communicate its benefits via Promotion (with ranking as the testimonial advertising).

- - - - - - - - - - - -

Let's just ignore these pretentious Ateneans na wala nalang ginawa kung hindi putak ng putak wala naman palang laman ang utak! :lol:

[dexXA]

Bottomline, CHED already declared Ateneo's MBA to be no. 1. For the losers - specifically, the Bisaya who's not good enough to pass ACET - better luck next time. Kayo rin. Ang puso niyo. Baka lalong magka-leche-leche na naman ang mga subject-verb agreement niyo. :naughty:

Ang saya! :lol:
calling on the mods of this forum: paki ban naman si Turd at yung alternick nyang si intensity1214. wala nalang ginawa kung hindi mag post ng mga flame baits. or ikaw yan mods??? :splat:

[Turd]

Ang saya-saya when the CHED itself says Ateneo's MBA is no. 1.

Wawa naman ang mga talunan. Better luck na lang next time, especially to the Bisaya from Warwick kuno na hindi marunong mag-spelling at mali-mali lagi ang grammar. :naughty:

Work harder na lang.

[Stirling]

^ who would believe you e, alam naman ng lahat na walang laman yang utak mo. read your post kung meron nga ba? :lol:

mods, ban mo na itong basher na ito.

[BENEFACTORS]

^ who would believe you e, alam naman ng lahat na walang laman yang utak mo. read your post kung meron nga ba? :lol:

mods, ban mo na itong basher na ito.
ano ka ba? hindi pwede yung request mong yan. pinapa-ban mo yung mismong mods? :naughty:


mag-isip ka naman dyan. nag mukha ka tuloy atenista... :lol:
gimik nila 'to, tol. kung baga sa business, ito yung marketing ek-ek ng pex. *** naman at parang hindi mo alam yan... ga-graduat ka na this July ng Business Studies from a very prestigious school in England pa tapos, hindi mo pa alam ito? let's not elaborate further yung school mo kasi, naiingit yung mga mods este atenista dito. :crazytongue:

[Attila]

Stirling = BENEFACTORS = stirling = blueSUCKS = HURST

You're not fooling anyone here in PEx. By engaging in a "self-dialogue," you have just admitted defeat under the hands of Turd. Turd has managed to get inside your head to the point of forcing you to engage in a "self-dialogue." Think about it. You've lost the war.

I must also admit it's difficult to dispute CHED's findings. No amount of opinions and sourgraping can topple CHED.

Peace.

[Stirling]

BENEFACTORS,

ang pangit naman pala ng marketing ek-ek ng mga atenista to promote their alma mater school. kailangan daanin mo pa sa bashing other prestigious schools including the most prestigious school - ang UP!

ang babaw ng style nila.



hoy, Turd aka Atilla na nama this time. Mali ka na naman. ako po yung bisaya na nag-aaral sa Warwick. ako yung sinasabi mong mali-mali ang grammar na parang true-blu atenean.

[Attila]

It's CHED that claims Ateneo is no. 1 in MBA. If you consider that marketing from Ateneo, you're entitled to your own opinion even if you're wrong.

Peace.

[BENEFACTORS]

Stirling = BENEFACTORS = stirling = blueSUCKS = HURST

You're not fooling anyone here in PEx. By engaging in a "self-dialogue," you have just admitted defeat under the hands of Turd. Turd has managed to get inside your head to the point of forcing you to engage in a "self-dialogue." Think about it. You've lost the war.

I must also admit it's difficult to dispute CHED's findings. No amount of opinions and sourgraping can topple CHED.

Peace.
one, if you think stirling and me are one and the same, you're wrong.

two, war? what war? i don't see any war here except your flame baits. The war is in iraq and lately, I’ve been hearing news of a war in Jolo, near the birthplace of your father.

three, your posts or your alternicks' are what’s making there seem to have a war in this forum. Delete all your post and you won’t see a war.

four, you did nothing but insult persons and when you're terribly pissed of their reprisals you lock threads. You don't play fair.

five, the CHED report excluded UP and you are not accepting it. That’s the one that’s pathetic, not me.

six, we are now discussing about Philippine business schools participating (or avoiding) in international ranking games and accreditations

seven, dahil kulang ang laman ng utak mo sa talakaying ito (thanks to your Ateneo education) you failed to follow in the discussion. Instead what you do, you intercept the discussion and again bash persons. Nagmukha kanang t.a.n.g.a, hirit ka pa rin ng hirit.

eight, if you don't have anything to contribute to this thread, umalis ka, don’t post anything. no one needs your bashing.

nine, you're a disgrace. pinag-uusapan ka sa UP-CBA at sa ibang mga schools na yang style mong bulok huling-huli na. mods who instead instigate bashing, that's quite low.

ten, did you understand? Hindi po british English yan but Filipino English.

[Turd]

^ ^ ^ ^ OMIGOD!!

Why are you so PIKON just because you're losing? Okay ... okay. To assuage your shattered pride and your deflated ego, let's say UP and Warwick are the top schools in the whole universe. Okay? Are you happy now?

But at the end of the day, you still have to deal with CHED. According to CHED, Ateneo is no. 1.

Ang saya when you're on top. Bwahahahahhahahaha :evil_lol:

By the way....., a friendly advice -- try to shorten your posts next time. The longer they are, the more subject-verb mistakes there are. Nabubuking ang pagkukulang mo.

Peace.

[Stirling]

Is this thread all about subject-verb agreement (which I think some of your posts have suffered from it as well?) Now, if not, let's stick to our topic.

About CHED’s report, we already new that when paralusi provided the link to us. Again, I’ve read the whole piece but it seemed a truncated report and obviously suffered from reliability because it did not include UP, which we all would agree, is more prestigious, more selective, better faculty line-up, and has a better MBA programme.

Alam ko wala ka namang alam about business studies, so huwag mo ipagpilitan ang sarili mo sa discussion na ito kasi like what BENEFACTORS just said, nagmukha kanang t.a.n.g.a hirit ka pa rin ng hirit.

about grammar, pwede ba mag bukas ka nalang ng thread about grammar and let's all discuss about my flaws as well as yours and your fellow ateneans' para mas enjoy. okay?

and btw, yung english mo, hindi dapat ipagmalaki. parang ka lang nagtatagalog at isa-isa mo itong ni-translate into an English word. If you want an American English, read Macbolan00, faaip and Carl Ng's articles. doon, matututo ka. if you want Brittish English naman, read my friend's post.

[Turd]

Wowwwwwww. Pikon na pikon na talaga ha.

Pati si Benefactors nagiging second person ang turing, maski na siya rin. Nalolowkah na talaga sa pagka-PIKON. Wawa naman.

It's only a study by CHED. Try harder na lang next time and you might become the best also, just like the Ateneo, one of these days. But for now, Ateneo's MBA is the best according to CHED. If you disagree, talk to the CHED director.

Ang saya saya talaga when you're on top. Daming crabs na naiinggit. :nuts:

[Turd]

This is a horrible thread. My observation - too much bashing by the same person with multiple alternicks.

Let's stick to facts. I agree with the post of Nijinsky. CHED is reliable and, according to CHED, Ateneo's MBA is the best. The others who claim this and that are the best are only expressing their own personal opinions and biases. Crab mentality. Peace.


You hit the nail on the head with your comments. Peace.

[mac_bolan00]

best private MBA school. no...best private part-time MBA school. ok. agreed. :lol:

[buy_some]

up mba is as reputable as ust nursing :rotfl:

[barako_cafe_00]

^^ mas maganda ang nursing sa LA SALLE - DASMA!!!
Roxanne Guinoo and MArk Herras are from LA SALLE!

[mba_guy]

It's hardly any surprise that by any criteria of success or quality Philippine business schools (AIM, UP, La Salle, Ateneo, UST ) are leagues behind their American counterparts. On average, whatever the criteria, a list of top 100 business schools worldwide will comprise 65% American schools, 5% Asian and 0% ASEAN!

The difference?

American schools realised long ago that they were in business. Thus, they look to customers, competitive position and private-sector accreditation as measures of success and sources of funds. Asian schools, particularly the Philippines, is still tied to their government's apron strings – that organization we call CHED, and still look to their governments for legitimacy, accreditation and to some extent, funding and control.

It must be manifestly difficult to teach competitive business when you are yourself little more than an extension of our local CHED. When Philippine businesses start thinking of themselves as businesses and of their students as customers, they will raise their game, focus more on customer-relevant metrics like rankings, and -maybe- start giving their American colleagues - sorry, competitors- a run for their money.

There is no logical reason to suppose that aspiring to a good ranking should be mutually exclusive to quality pedagogy. I agree with the writer that it is foolish to pursue the former at the expense of the latter. That would be like trying to market a bad product. First, you develop a quality pedagogy (Product), Price it appropriately, distribute it effectively (Place), then communicate its benefits via Promotion (with ranking as the testimonial advertising).

For those who value ‘rankings’ (i.e., measures of inputs) over outputs (tough exams that attests to our students’ competence and fitness), there are plenty of Schools (AIM, UP, DLSU), which they can apply to attend. Indeed, the majority of Schools in fact. For those who value our measure of output performance, Ateneo exists and, in contrary evidence that there is something wrong with your gloom about serving our customers, we are the largest MBA programme in the Philippines.

Your North American perspective of the Philippines/Asia--USA divide does not take account of the fact that the main Business Schools in the ASEAN/Asia are all ‘ranked’ and buy totally into your philosophy.

Our exam regime, which we will not dilute nor compromise our quality standards, would not meet some of the criteria in the ‘rankings’ – final exams only, no course work, no grades for attendance, no course assignments written out of sight, no choice of questions, etc.,).

Your statement that “Philippine schools are still tied to the government's apron strings, and still look to their governments for legitimacy, accreditation, funding and control” indicates an alarming misdirection of your bile. Ateneo is a 100 per cent self-financed Business School, receives no money from government or the taxpayers. We apply for no grants from government or the University of which we are the graduate school of business of Ateneo; we are not subject to any government interference. We need take no lessons in running the School as a business, or in how to market our products from any Business School on the planet. No government ‘controls’ Ateneo or funds our operations. True, we are accredited under Ateneo de Manila University but that is the law in the Philippines. Without that official accreditation we could not function as a degree awarding body. But we trade nothing off for that accreditation. You should direct your criticism to the unofficially ‘ranked’ b-schools for being in thrall to government, not Ateneo.

Given that our developed pedagogy is NOT accepted by the ‘ranked’ Schools, and therefore cannot be accommodated in the ‘rankings’, could you explain how we can maintain our successful pedagogy and marketing and become ‘ranked’

[Ultra_MegaStar]

No less than the CHED itself says that the Ateneo MBA is no. 1 in the Philippines.

Who cares about the opinions of the bashers, spoilsports, bitter losers? Only losers.

Congrats to Ateneo for being the no. 1 MBA school in the country according to CHED. :spinstar:

[dexXA]

masyadong defenseless ang mga Ateneans sa forum na ito. Sobrang kaawa-awa basahin ang mga posts nila. Pag mga taga UP na talaga ang makakabangga nila, walang kalaban-laban ang mga Atenista. Ba't kasi ayaw nalang nila tanggapin ang katutuhanang ito? Napaka-supreme ng UP kumpara sa mga UPCAT rejects na yan...



mba_guy,
pinatay na ng mods si BENEFACTOR. How can he respond to your post?

[intensity1214.]

what's "katutuhanang"?

:)

[MacTurd]

:lol: Parang taga south tulad ng mga maids namin. Baka kamag-anak. :lol:

[dexXA]

^ ows, may maid kayo? you can afford to hire maids? e, diba atenista ka lang? baka yung mga askal na paliguyliguy sa kalye nyo...:glee:

[MacTurd]

ON TOPIC

Just sharing the news and the facts:

According to the CHED study, Ateneo's MBA is no. 1 in the Philippines.

Bash all you want. That will not change the facts.


Ateneo: The Pride of the Philippines
:rpflag:

[dexXA]

Ateneo: The Pride of the Philippines
:rpflag:
wala ka namang originality, dude. lumang slogan na ng UP yan.


On Topic: the so-called CHED study excluded UP, hence it's not reliable and does not answer to the question of the thread starter.

Ateneo is an okay school. in fact, this is one of the only two favorite fall-back schools of UP wanabees.

[MacTurd]

^ ^ CHED says Ateneo's MBA is no. 1 in the Philippines and that says a lot about the reputation of Ateneo's MBA program.

As for the schools that are not considered as top schools by the CHED, you can invent your own excuses as to why you did not make it. You can also invent your own rankings/articles or fabricate your so-called lists of whatever as some people here are so fond of doing. :D

The fact remains, the CHED ranked Ateneo's MBA program no. 1 in the Philippines.

As to which school is the fallback school, that's really irrelevant to the discussion, but if you ask me, UP is the fallback school for those who don't pass ACET. Just think about it. If you can afford it or are bright enough to get a scholarship, why go for 2nd or 3rd best? Of course you would go for the best -- the Ateneo, the "Harvard of the Philippines." But then, there are always exceptions.

Ateneo: The Pride of the Philippines
:rpflag:

[mac_bolan00]

best private MBA school in the philippines. fair enough.

[Ventada]

Why dont we ask HR Professionals about their opinion on hiring MBA graduates? That is what counts. Anyone from HR here?

CHED says Ateneo is no. 1 in the PHilippines ... coming from a government institution
idled with corruption?
AsiaWeek ranked La Salle as no. 1 in the Philippines ... could be true, could be not...
UP is still the State University, no doubt about it ... yet still, does it have enough
funding?

I'm already disenchanted with the promises of UP, Ateneo, La Salle with all its promises of glory after graduation. Go ahead and take MBA from all three schools, Call Center pa rin bagsak niyo!

[Stirling]

Why dont we ask HR Professionals about their opinion on hiring MBA graduates? That is what counts. Anyone from HR here?

CHED says Ateneo is no. 1 in the PHilippines ... coming from a government institution idled with corruption?
CHED excluded UP Business School. UP would have been the number one if CHED included it. Again, CHED excluded UP in that survey.

AsiaWeek ranked La Salle as no. 1 in the Philippines ... could be true, could be not...
Asiaweek ranked AIM and UP at number one and 2, respectively.


I'm already disenchanted with the promises of UP, Ateneo, La Salle with all its promises of glory after graduation. Go ahead and take MBA from all three schools, Call Center pa rin bagsak niyo!
I can assure you UP MBA grads don't end up working in call centres. do you have a copy of their profiles? one of my dad's companies recruits MBA grads from UP and AIM.

[MacTurd]

Hahahahahahaha..... :lol:

Ang daming in denial.

The bottom line is, it's official. "The Ateneo MBA program is the best in the Philippines" according to CHED. To those who can't accept this fact, you can fabricate your own articles, lists and stories. Libre naman ang managinip eh. Try harder next time.

Ang saya talaga when you're #1. Just ask the Ateneans. :evil_lol:

Ateneo: The One and Only Pride of the Philippines
:rpflag:

[haiya]

what's the use... stop arguing.. wala namang mananalo eh... surveys and studies come from everywhere... and yung hindi top will always say na it isn't reliable...

kaya nga surveys and studies are always redone...

[haiya]

masyadong defenseless ang mga Ateneans sa forum na ito. Sobrang kaawa-awa basahin ang mga posts nila. Pag mga taga UP na talaga ang makakabangga nila, walang kalaban-laban ang mga Atenista. Ba't kasi ayaw nalang nila tanggapin ang katutuhanang ito? Napaka-supreme ng UP kumpara sa mga UPCAT rejects na yan...



mba_guy,
pinatay na ng mods si BENEFACTOR. How can he respond to your post?

hay.. i know kung di ako say pumasa ng acet and sa up ako nag aral di ibig sabihin na ateneo talga gusto kong puntahan at napilitan lang ako sa up...

or di akong pumasa sa up pero nag-ateneo ako... di ibig sabihin na napilitan lang ako sa ateneo...

i do know of a lot of people na pumasang up, but nag ateneo
pumasang ateneo but nag-csb
pumasang la salle but nag-ateneo,
etc...

tapos may mga di pumasa ng ateneo and la salle
pero sa UP nag-aral...

may di pumasa ng miriam pero sa la salle, oo...

etc...

it really varies... and in a way most (im not saying all) of us are really just rejects...

[MacTurd]

i do know of a lot of people na pumasang up, but nag ateneo

tapos may mga di pumasa ng ateneo and la salle
pero sa UP nag-aral...

it really varies... and in a way most (im not saying all) of us are really just rejects...

I agree with your points. There are definitely always exceptions. But as far as I'm concerned, based on my experience, the two points that I underlined above reflect the overall trend. There are more ACET rejects in UP rather than the other way around. There are even threads in atenista.net and peyups.com that support this.

But at the end of the day, we must still admit that UP is also a good school even if there are many students there who did not pass ACET. Success ultimately depends on the individual student, not on the school. The insecure people who think they can rely on their school's reputation to achieve success are in for a rude awakening when they enter the workforce. In the corporate world, nobody walks around carrying their school banner or wearing their school uniform. Before getting admitted to the workforce, better pass the initial interviews first and make sure you have mastered your subject-verb agreement. You may have a college diploma but if you do not have the basic grammatical and communications skills, wala rin. Baka hanggang minimum salary ka lang or kargador sa pier. :lol:

Anyway, ang saya talaga when you're no. 1.

Ateneo: The One and Only Pride of the Philippines
:rpflag:

[Ventada]

CHED excluded UP Business School. UP would have been the number one if CHED included it. Again, CHED excluded UP in that survey.


Asiaweek ranked AIM and UP at number one and 2, respectively.


I can assure you UP MBA grads don't end up working in call centres. do you have a copy of their profiles? one of my dad's companies recruits MBA grads from UP and AIM.

Hmm... is MBA even worthwhile taking for a person in his late 20s without relevant experience or undergraduate degree in business? What do you think Stirling? Does someone of that profile still stand a chance in advancing (or at least getting a start) with a career in the corporate world.

I think whether undergraduate or MBA, UP talaga ang number one. AFter all, it is still the State University. I don't know how they do it with such minimal funding. Companies still prefer UP over all schools (especially if your from UP yet have the coñotic character). Actually yun lang naman ang habol ng companies sa mga LaSallista at Atenista, they exude the exact profile of their ideal professionals. Yet nothing beats a UP graduate na coño pa. (pardon the term but there is no other means to describe such a profile. Face it, either you are jologs, coño, or coñotic. No confusing grey area)

In fact, there are companies I've applied to that do not quite like LaSallites and Ateneans ... especially companies with majority of employees coming from lesser schools like UST, PUP, TIP, FEU, etc. This is especially true with pharmaceutical companies. One supervisor even told me that "walang tumatagal na Atenista at LaSalista sa companyang toh". AT least if you are from UP, wala kang kagalit whether your interviewer is from La Salle or Ateneo.

I'm almost done with MS Marketing in La Salle and thinking of taking MBA naman. I was thinking of UP because less biased sila (at wala silang kagalit). La Salle thinks its number one in MBA and so does Ateneo. La Salle MBA are filled with Ateneo undergraduates and I heard ATeneo MBA are filled with La Salle undergraduates as well. Both schools have quite a number of UP undergraduates too. Hiring employers who graduates of Ateneo MBA are biased against La Salle applicants and vice-versa. So if you are from eighter Ateneo or La Salle, you have to find out pa if that company is pre-dominantly ATenean or LaSallian. Limited tuloy options mo. At least if you are from UP, your options might extend overseas since its name suggests State University.

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Pa Bash lang isa, can't help it. Bakit ganyan kayong mga Atenista? PUro entrance exam ang pinagyayabang. Kaya pala ganyan mga graduates niyo, nabo-bobo. Two years sa classroom pero isang araw lang nag-aral (THE NIGHT BEFORE THE ENTRANCE EXAM)

[Stirling]

Let's all avoid cheap talks when we're discussing something about business and management.
:eyecrazy:
Dream on, dude. These so-called Ateneo educated living creatures are not acquainted to a "classy" type of conversation. If you want to lose them in this debate, insult them. That's the only way to do it.

If you argue on something that requires lies and fabrication to succeed, you will have to bleed to win the argument. Sadly, deception is their thing hence the win in several pa-contest even when it's obvious that their representatives are the lousiest amongst the contestants.

[Ultra_MegaStar]

Cheap talk or no cheap talk by schizophrenic pretentious alternicks of the same poster (eg Benefuctors = Stirling), no one can dispute the fact that the CHED proclaimed Ateneo's MBA as the best in the Philippines.

To the sore losers, you can try harder next time the CHED survey is done. But for now, the Ateneo reigns supreme in the land. :spinstar:

[Ultra_MegaStar]

^ ^ ^ But Ateneo swept all top three places - 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

And the Ateneo contestants did not struggle with diction, pronunciation, and basic subject-verb agreement.

And where was your school? Not good enough to make it to the final round? :D

I know it hurts to be a loser but please learn to move on and get a life. At least you can say you lost to the best school in the Philippines, the Ateneo. That should assuage your bruised ego a bit. :lol:

[Ultra_MegaStar]

^ ^ Your post reeks of insecurity, jealousy and bitterness of the Ateneo, which is not surprising.

As I said earlier, it's CHED itself that says the Ateneo MBA program is the best in the Philippines. If you can't accept that fact, address your complaints to the CHED. :spinstar:

[Ultra_MegaStar]

It's almost always "lutong macau" for the losers in whatever competition. It only seems that way because the Ateneans swept all top three positions. That should not be surprising given the fact that it's only a local contest. Ateneans are known to be world class competitors. :spinstar:

I know it hurts to lose. At least you can have some comfort in the fact you lost to the BEST, the ATENEO. :spinstar:

[Ultra_MegaStar]

So it's settled.... We all agree the CHED ranked the Ateneo MBA as the best in the Philippines. Good!

Let peace reign in PEx.

[mba_guy]

Did you miss the irony of the fact that you yourself just ranked Ateneo - by size - and were taking pride in its 1st place ranking?

People think in rankings - even you, evidently. There's no point pretending that they don't. It's the first law in both rational and irrational decision-making. We rank when we want to discriminate.
I have no wish to rehash our differences - and I admire your tenacity in support of your views - but I think you miss the point being made by the 'biggest' statement.

It is your case, eloquently expressed, that outside the rankings game, a non-player like Ateneo, suffers from a marketing point of view. You assert that inside the rankings game Ateneo would gain more customers, would do better than non-rankers and would be better placed in reputation. You also assert - also eloquently - that being outside, Ateneo loses reputation and it makes it additionally difficult for our customers in the jobs market. And so on.

Now if the Ateneo programme was a small minnow trying to make its way, you might have a point and your case would be stronger, namely that our absence from the rankings was harming us. You express many reasons why this would be so, but your arguments lack evidence and, indeed, the evidence is against you.

Our market size is such as we are the largest, not the smallest. Even discounting your school – La Salle – because of its perceived low quality, we are bigger than perceived high quality rivals (UP, AIM, etc. which are not only 'ranked' but also members of private self-accredited agencies, some of them members of three of these bodies). I have expressed our sound reasons for not wishing to play the rankings game, or to be 'accredited' by unofficial private agencies that welcome into their membership certain Schools where the examination standards they employ are suspicious, to put it mildly.

You are entitled to disagree with my assessment. The evidence, however, prevents you from bolstering your case by claims that our marketing has 'failed', that we are 'damaged' by it and that our 'failures' are shown by our unsuccessful recruitment strategies. That is the point of quoting the 'largest' data (compared to 2,500 other MBAs in the world - some population, eh?) not to show the virtues of 'rankings', or to be caught in some sort of contradiction.

[mba_guy]

Cheap talk or no cheap talk by schizophrenic pretentious alternicks of the same poster (eg Benefuctors = Stirling), no one can dispute the fact that the CHED proclaimed Ateneo's MBA as the best in the Philippines.

To the sore losers, you can try harder next time the CHED survey is done. But for now, the Ateneo reigns supreme in the land. :spinstar:

Yes, both UP and AIM were excluded in that CHED survey therefore, that should not matter in this argument.

[mba_guy]

have you heard the jokes making the rounds in business schools these days? The Ateneo contestants in pacontest we're all in "ahhhhh" and "ammmmmm" in between phrases. :lol:

Is this what they call Ateneo english? That sucks, dude!

My students at the Ateneo can't complete a sentence without uttering "ammmm" in between phrases. Despite that they still get high grades from their instructors. Because of the low quality of students that enroll in our school, curving the grades to pasang-awa level is unavoidable.

[Stirling]

^
what do you teach in de Ateneo?

[Ultra_MegaStar]

:lol: stirling = BENEFACTORS = Benefuctors = mba_guy = DexXa = chineseMALAY = blueSUCKS :lol:

Grabe na ang pagka-schizophrenic pretentious. Pikon na pikon at inggit na inggit sa pagka-superior ng Ateneo. Nalowlowkah na. Even the alternicks are talking to each other. :nuts:

Ang saya-saya pa rin when the CHED itself says the Ateneo MBA is the best in the land. To those people (such as the above alternicks of the same poster) whose schools are not as good as the Ateneo, just try to do your best next time. Who knows? You might make it to the no. 2 spot. hehehehehe

Galing talaga! Ateneo: no. 1 in MBA, no. 1 in Law, no. 1 in Business, and in the future, no. 1 in Medicine. :spinstar:

[tianak_me]

Ganun ba talaga kabobo mga Atenista? Ang linaw nun sabi, "...among private graduate institutions..."

Grabeh talagahhhh....

[Ultra_MegaStar]

Ang saya talaga when you're no. 1

To repeat - according to the CHED study, the Ateneo MBA is #1 in the Philippines.

Grabeh!!!! Kakainggit noh?

Kasi ang galing talaga ng the Ateneo. :spinstar:

[tianak_me]

Bobs nga talaga.

[Limasawa]

Kawawa naman yung threadstarter nito, nagtatanong nga matinong tanong hindi na sagot ng matino. Sinagot nga matanino kunong mga Atenista na pinagmamalaki ang CHED results which excluded UP in the survey. Dude subukan mong makinig sa mga ATenista at siguradong masisira buhay mo. Ay, foreigner nga pala threadstarter nito.

[frank_chavez]

nakakahiya talaga ang mga atenista dito sa pex. kung hindi mambababash, io-over sell ang kanilang school na pang liberal arts at Law lang. :glee:

Ateneo: No. 1 in Pex Bashing, No. 1 in Hard Sell.

yehey! :clap:

[cluelessss8]

i'm taking up MBA at DLSU, less than a year nalng ako... actually, dpat one term nalng, but i'm planning to avail international exchange programs of my school.

DLSU GSB is now applying for PAASCU accreditation. I know, because i'm part of the PAASCU task force.

all i can say, for my school, we have a very extensive program, with qualified faculty professors (almost all of them are part-time professors, since this is a major requirement to be able to teach at DLSU). so they teach what they know.. and here in the Philippines, we all have to be realistic.. not all theories are applicable, right?

for me, before i started my MBA, i also looked into the programs of AGSB, AIM.. i don't have budget for AIM.. but DLSU is not cheap either.

i think Mr. ChineseMalay, if you really like to pursue your MBA. for one, look at the programs of the school, the faculty professors also. because what's the use of studying if you won't able to learn?

goodluck! :)

[frank_chavez]

My students at the Ateneo can't complete a sentence without uttering "ammmm" in between phrases. Despite that they still get high grades from their instructors. Because of the low quality of students that enroll in our school, curving the grades to pasang-awa level is unavoidable.

i heard it's common in the ateneo. :naughty:

[Ultra_MegaStar]

Personal opinions and bashing aside, we still can't deny the fact that the CHED itself ranked Ateneo's MBA #1 in the Philippines.

Ang saya talaga when you're #1. Ang daming naiinggit. Just check out the posts/bashing above. Iba na talaga when you're #1.

ATENEO: The Pride of the Philippines :spinstar:
:rpflag:

[Asia Trekker]

naka lagay dun, "...among private graduate institutions..."??? State U not included, siyempre....

hay nakuuu!

[Limasawa]

Ten years ago when ADMU was still second and DLSU third, it was remote to hear even a single Atenean bashing. Now that DLSU is second with ADMU slipping to third, there was a radical increase in bashers from Katipunan correlating to ADMU's slip in rank.

Talk about insecurity hahaha! Yeah! Go Ateneo! Bash some more! Exude your insecurity. Join the dark side!

Oh! Oh! Can't wait for one them small brains to correct my grammar!

[paralusi]

Ten years ago when ADMU was still second and DLSU third, it was remote to hear even a single Atenean bashing.

on the internet?

[Thoma§]

I can't help it but doubt people who registered just this month (lalo na 'yung taong nahuling nag-iinternet sa megamall and wasting cash on public computers just to spread futility online).

[Thoma§]

^^ sana ma-ban na rin ang mga tulad nito.

[Limasawa]

Thomas,

I think San Beda occupies the third spot of top law schools in the country after UP and ATeneo. Personally, I would prefer UST. I read somewhere before (though the source is also a PExer) that UST has overtaken San Beda. I'm sure you can shed light on that part. By the way, nagstart na ba law entrance exam sa UST?

I'm still the basher you despise but I assure you, UST deserves respect when it comes to Law.

[aucklander_222]

Ateneo's reputation? e natakot nga silang sumali sa survey/ranking e...
ka level nila ang UE-MBA and San Bebastian.