sex ed in high school, a no no

[kerfuffled]

we have this debate in school which is actually our periodical exam as well so it's kinda big deal to me and my groupmates..

so the resoultion is this: Resovled, that sex education be taught in the High School Department (of an exclusive, catholic school).

we are the negative side.. please help us provide some arguments.. but make sure they are free from fallacies.. and some possible questions we can give to the affirmative side..

need this badly.. we're having the debate on tuesday already..

[[JZ] Nightmare]

IMHO

it is good to teach kids at hs regarding sex education for them to know the facts about it and what makes it work and tick but how that person will use that knowledge is entirely up to that person and of course the way the person is brought up. there are a lot of circumstances wherein the person's free will reigns more that what he learned from school regarding sex education.

[kungpow]

Sarili ka dapat magsaliksik. Kasi kung galing sa opinion ng iba lang iyan iyang arguments na iyan, mababara ka ng kalaban mo kaagad. Alahanin, ang pinakamahalaga sa mga debate ay hard-core evidence (kahit sa oregon-oxford, british parliamentary type etc.).

[twerpy_craphead]

the problem here lies with the moral fiber at which we filipinos stand on. the filipino culture is too conservative(?). many of us thinks that anything related to sex is taboo-that it shouldn't be discussed in public, that it shouldn't be discussed to the younger ages. the catholic church also plays a part in this partly because their so-called "morality" is being trampled.
because of this, children would learn about sex from their peers or from the media. whenever any word related to sex is being discussed on tv, it will be deleted out with a loud "tooooooot"...children aren't dumb. they know that it is that taboo thing that people dont speak of in public. as a result, they tend to become more curious about what it is, and what sensations :naughty: it can give them, which will start with masturbation...and will eventually lead to pre-marital fornication...

[kerfuffled]

i have another question.. what do you think sex education really is all about? i mean, isn't it sex education already when we discuss about the physical and physiological changes we encounter during puberty stage, reproduction in biology, commandments 6 and 9 in religion classes.. and if sex education would teach us to be open to the concept of homosexuality wouldn't it contradict to what the 6th commandment?

btw, thank you for those replies.. it was a big help.. :)

[zacharaiolsen]

negative side ka? talo na kayo!
e karamihan pa naman ng mga hayskul students ngayon malilibog!
at sugrado ko pati mga classmates mo, hehe..

anyways, i came from a science high school, and we had sex education nung 4th qtr ng 4th yr. and malaki **** naitulong nito sa amin! kasi kasali jan yung family planning, etc.

gawin mo ngang specific.. sex education as a subject? o parang seminar lang??

kung as a subject, siguro pwede mong gawing dahilan, mas marami pang mas importanteng subjects kasya jan, at pwede namang gawing semionar na lang. or masyado pang mura ang mga isip ng hayskul (13-16 yrs old) para sa ganyang edukasyon. imbis na maging edukado sila, dapat siguro pag mga 18 na sila..

kaya nga lang problema nyo, diba nadagdagan na ng 1 yr a hayskul? so mas maraming time alotted para sa subject na yan at sa iba pa..

another point, kasali po sa sex educ. yung mga promtion of use of contraceptives, e kung sa catholic hayskul yan, di pwede dahil di naman sang ayon ang mga pari jan!

anyways, gudluck!

[mozart]

i have another question.. what do you think sex education really is all about? i mean, isn't it sex education already when we discuss about the physical and physiological changes we encounter during puberty stage, reproduction in biology, commandments 6 and 9 in religion classes.. and if sex education would teach us to be open to the concept of homosexuality wouldn't it contradict to what the 6th commandment?

btw, thank you for those replies.. it was a big help.. :)

sex education is different from biology because it addresses social issues that individuals would have to deal with after experiencing biological change.

regarding the sixth commandment question, you may say that education and awareness are not the same as acceptance. it's like studying buddhism in 3rd year history without actually converting.

[mozart]

it's like studying buddhism in 3rd year history without actually converting.

this could be false analogy..

[kerfuffled]

isn't it the responsiblity of our parents to educate us about this matter? i mean.. they could monitor their children more than the school can.. the shows they watch, sites they visit, books they read, etc.

[mozart]

isn't it the responsiblity of our parents to educate us about this matter? i mean.. they could monitor their children more than the school can.. the shows they watch, sites they visit, books they read, etc.

many parents dont even have the time nowadays to bring their children to school. most kids grow up spending more time with their tv, friends, and yayas than with their parents. you cant blame parents for that too because the rising costs of living require them to spend more time at the office than at home. it's even worse for single parents, which isnt a rare occurrence today.

education also is a responsibility shared by many and not just one social insitution. parents can supplement what is taught at school, and vice-versa. moreover, if sex ed is taught at school, you can be sure that it is studied within the right contexts and under the supervision of a knowledgeable individual. not all parents can teach their kids the right stuff about sex. some wont even know basic info about STDs and contraceptives. having experienced sex doesnt make them experts and qualified educators.

[jheng22]

mukhang talo ang panig mo ah......

gud luck na lang po kasi ako pro.....

[faaip_de_oiad]

to win this debate, you have to prove that an widely encompassing legislation to facilitate the instruction of sex eduation in the secondary level will cause adverse effects as it goes through congress amidst the hee-hawing of Manoling Moratos of the world. Make the scope of the debate bigger and beg for the proverbial bigger picture. Prove that even if sex education has it benefits, it is outweighed by the societal strains that such a contentious issue puts on various sectors. Proceed to a sector analysis (government antagonism, church, etc.). Note: don't concede to all the merits of the proposal - just use the 'assuming without conceding' clause. :D

At the end of the day, it's all about convincing adjudicators that you know what you're saying so if you could pull off one or two 'convincing' exaggerations of the truth, it would help your side immensely - especially considering your tough stand.

[Stirling]

Doc, you sound like a professional lawyer whenever you articulate your thoughts in a forum. Tell me if we're seeing another few but quite successful doctor-lawyer in the making here? ;)

[intensity1214]

ok 'yan. basta walang dayaan, editan, at dugasan ng listahan ha?

:)

[Stirling]

kilala mo pala si Editan? bisaya ka man dong. diba Edith Tan yon? classmate ko nung 1st yr sa UP bio. :lol:

[intensity1214]

ay, korni na. :clown3:

[faaip_de_oiad]

Stirling, I love myself and I won't subject myself to such torture.

--
kerfuffled: Debate has also a lot to do with the packaging of the arguments. Make sure that you flesh out your cases well and make it a point to be believable and confident all throughout your speech. Adjudicators would also appreciate nice structure.

If all else fails, try to make the affirmative side cry by assaulting them with pencil rockets. :glee:

[Ischaramoochie]

try to establish, as a premise, the traditional victorian approach to sexuality which catholic schools subscribe to, and contrast this with the liberal idologies of sex-ed. once you've successfully established an apparent contradiction between the two, watch your opponents blabber away. :D

[kerfuffled]

hahah! i couldn't explain the feeling of winning in my first ever debate.. though we tied with our opponent on the basis of debating techniques, our teacher sided with us in terms of the points we presented.. argh! we should have won both if not for those cheaters.. well, there is nothing i can do about it.. but thanks, guys.. you were such a help.. :handsdown:

we were kinda panicky that time.. we did not realize that once we have amended their resolution, the debate could/should have ended.

the good thing about it is that we are finished but the bad thing is that our thoughts have been corrupted by this resolution/issue.. :toofunny:

[ach_soo]

To tell kids that sex is great but getting pregnant or AIDS is stupid.

[speQter]

Focus on the maturity level of high school students.
Education is a good thing, but it could have a negative effect depending on audience.

A little learning is a dangerous thing, ika nga.

High school students are still kids and are still discovering themselves. They have the tendency to try different things, just for the sake of experience. Of course, experience is not a bad thing (which is another debatable topic), but the consequences of one's actions, brought about by curiosity and a little learning, can be severe.

[mac_bolan00]

i came from a public school and sex ed was taught to us in grade five. outside the usual grins and giggles, the subject was pretty straightforward. everyone understood how one gets pregnant and STD.

why the hell do you guys keep treating people like they're stupid?

[intensity1214]

baka kasi takot humarap? :shrug:

[mac_bolan00]

you talking to me? :)

[cccc]

dapat pinanood niyo yung yspeak dati...

[MINIONXY]

You cannot teach something that personal to someone. You can advocate but you cannot teach that's my point. SAFE SEX on advocacy but not on actually making someone learn about SEX. lolz. that's crazy. even a whole semester cannot bluff itself out of making you "learned" in sex. tsktsk... it's a total waste of time.

just advocate and do not ever dare teach someone else especially high school students to that stupid sex "education." :D