Internet/Gaming Shop

[kennster]

im planning to set-up this kind of business early next year so right now im in the planning stage.. i have some questions:

which is better for a start-up business.. apply for a netopia franchise or start my own?
use licensed softwares (which is really expensive) or use pirated (and hope not get caught)?
buy a network/billing software (which is kupit proof) or just manually do it (i.e excel, notepad)?

im really new here but i wanna start my own business.. hope you guys can help me out here.. even tips/advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks! :)

[kareggiels]

The Question is the location.

[cybernaut]

just start your own, and stay out of paying royalties and those other franchising requirements that will just increase you initial investment. a famous name is worthless to a computer shop! just as long as you offer very competitive prices and offer the best games or fast internet connection, i find no reason why computer addiks wont patronize your com shop. start your own!!!

[testmike]

im also planning to have this kind of business for the longest time. Want a partner on this? Do u already hav a place available for this biz? On ur questions:

start with your own, i agree with cybenaut.

use licensed software, dont put ur business at risk. you can get original licensed software and OS from black market at below half its store price. Just make sure its orig and complete as packaged. Also i hav a better solution to cost cut on hardware and software investment. r u interested?

For internet cafe software, you can get a copy from the internet and hack its license. You can safely use unlicensed or hacked/cracked license software here in the philippines, just make sure that the software company that developed the program is not part of the BSA - Business Software Alliance. Another option is develop your own program. A little help from your programmer geek friends would be handy.

[confusedguy]

what is the name of the software being used by compass internet?

[bluecharm]

hi! im also in the planning stage for this kind of biz.. as for me, start your own din.. right now, im scouting for a good location.. :) hey testmike, baka gusto mo partner tayo... :)

[kennster]

hi guys.. im really torn between starting my own and franchising a netopia branch.. :rolleyes:

just like to ask the peeps here who's into this business, are you using all licensed software? coz i find it very EXPENSIVE if you'll use all licenced software PER PC.. like windows XP, Office, anti-virus + the games.. is it true that if you don't use licensed softwares PER PC, they can confiscate your PCs? :eek:

this is really giving me a headache.. coz the softwares can cost as much as a PC, and the sh!tty thing is, it should be per PC.. Why don't they just allow 1 licensed software for all the PCs.. or better yet just allow us to use pirated softwares!!! :mad:

[kennster]

Originally posted by testmike
use licensed software, dont put ur business at risk. you can get original licensed software and OS from black market at below half its store price. Just make sure its orig and complete as packaged. Also i hav a better solution to cost cut on hardware and software investment. r u interested?

paging sir testmike.. it seems you're really in the know regarding softwares.. can you please PM me your better solution to cost cut on hardware and software investment. thanks!! :)

[sizzling]

Originally posted by kennster
hi guys.. im really torn between starting my own and franchising a netopia branch.. :rolleyes:


Cybernaut gave a very sensible suggestion and backed it with logical reasons. After reading that, why are you still "torn"? Why are you still considering the netopia option?

[little sue]

Originally posted by kennster
hi guys.. im really torn between starting my own and franchising a netopia branch.. :rolleyes:

just like to ask the peeps here who's into this business, are you using all licensed software? coz i find it very EXPENSIVE if you'll use all licenced software PER PC.. like windows XP, Office, anti-virus + the games.. is it true that if you don't use licensed softwares PER PC, they can confiscate your PCs? :eek:

this is really giving me a headache.. coz the softwares can cost as much as a PC, and the sh!tty thing is, it should be per PC.. Why don't they just allow 1 licensed software for all the PCs.. or better yet just allow us to use pirated softwares!!! :mad:

have you calculated the difference (price) if you are going to franchise a netopia branch and your own PC shop?

if you can afford to franchise a netopia branch then you go for it.
but players usually tend not to play in netopia "kasi alam nila mahal", but if you found a nice commercial place baka pwede na rin.

am in the biz for a year and a half, i started on my own, i seek help from my friends who are literate in networking, softwares, installations, etc.

honestly, am using pirated softwares (hahah sana wag ako mahuli :D), pero my friend do something about it.. he upload a hacked serial :*) , but then like what they have said, if you have the money & dont want to risk your biz, go for an original O.S

still if you are torn between the two, calculate my dear

[kennster]

Originally posted by sizzling
Cybernaut gave a very sensible suggestion and backed it with logical reasons. After reading that, why are you still "torn"? Why are you still considering the netopia option?

because if softwares are part of the franchise fee, it's much easier and toruble-free if i go with netopia.. but if i can find cheap licensed softwares, then i can start my own.. im still on the planning stage so im still weighing the pros and cons between the 2 options. :)

[kennster]

Originally posted by little sue
have you calculated the difference (price) if you are going to franchise a netopia branch and your own PC shop?

if you can afford to franchise a netopia branch then you go for it.
but players usually tend not to play in netopia "kasi alam nila mahal", but if you found a nice commercial place baka pwede na rin.

am in the biz for a year and a half, i started on my own, i seek help from my friends who are literate in networking, softwares, installations, etc.

honestly, am using pirated softwares (hahah sana wag ako mahuli :D), pero my friend do something about it.. he upload a hacked serial :*) , but then like what they have said, if you have the money & dont want to risk your biz, go for an original O.S

still if you are torn between the two, calculate my dear

hi little sue.. it's good that i can talk to someone who's currently in this biz.. just have a few questions for you, how long was your ROI? is the biz still good in terms of profit? do you have an internet cafe software? how many people did you hire? sorry for the ton of questions, thanks in advance for the help. :)

[aeon8max]

hey guys i can help you out kung talagang interested kayong mag business ng i-cafe. i've just experience it from setup to maintenance. not to mention at hindi sa pagmamayabang i work from an internet service provider. kaya if you want help just PM me. peace :cool:

[froshie1]

Start your own! Hindi ko gusto ang system ng Netopia as a customer and kung ako man ang magtatayo ng business I'm going to start it on my own. Since nabanggit mo ang Netopia eh diba pag sa Netopia ikaw pa mismo ang maghahanap ng lugar? At hindi ka rin sigurado kung iyong franchise fee eh kasama na dun iyong mga license. Pero para sa akin makakamura ka pa rin kapag sarili mo.

Use licensed software. You don't have to install all MS Office software in all your PCs kasi talagang mahal iyon. Ang nagpapamahal sa lisensya ay iyong Office. Iyong Windows mahal pa rin pero mas mababa ang price nya compared to Office. Sabihin natin mga dalawa o tatlong workstation lang ang may Office tapos maginstall ka pa ng isa pa pero lagyan mo ng label na "TESTING PURPOSES ONLY" iyong pang-apat ang gamitin mo kung sakaling may customer ka pa na kakailanganin ng isa pang PC. Naka-attend ako ng seminar dati na kinonduct ng MS na pwede iyon gawin kung tinetest iyong PC at hindi ka huhulihin. Hhehee. Pero syempre iyong "Test" na iyon eh gawin mo lang kung kapos ka at kelangan din na hindi ito long term. Kung long term eh ibang usapan na iyan better buy another license for your 4th PC. Mag-inquire ka din kung meron ng Filipino na WinXP kasi pag localized ang isang OS eh mas mura sya. Problema mo lang sa huli ay kung paano itroubleshoot ang "localized" OS kasi iba ang reg keys nun. Btw, iyong sinabi kong "iba ang reg keys nun" eh applicable lang sa mga ibang languages like Korean, Chinese etc.. Iyong Filipino or Tagalog hindi pa kasi ako nakakakita pero narinig ko before na magkakaron ng ganun na OS. Anyway, kung merong Tagalog na Windows eh gawin mo lahat ng gaming mo ang OS eh Filipino Win (iyon ay kung meron ah) at iyong mga pang gawa ng resume at Word processing eh gawin mo English. Ihiwalay mo din sana iyong area kung saan pwede lang mag word processing/gaming dun sa PCs na for pure gaming. Kung hindi naman pupwede i-group mo na lang iyong PCs na pang word processing/gaming and iyong pang pure gaming. Isa pa pala, shop around sa Ebay for used Windows XP OSes. Kung technical ka use open source technology as your gateway pag hindi ka naman confident using open source at mas feel mo Win eh mag Win ka na lang.

Isa pang tip, hanap ka ng vendor (ewan ko kung meron pa nito kasi may kaibigan ako before iyong i-cafe nya eh ganito ang setup) na nagpapa-rent ng PC units and pag luma na iyong parts eh papalitan niya iyon agad-agad.

if you want help I can offer my services to you. PM me if you need my services. Cheap lang ang rates ko, sideline ko lang ito and hindi ito iyong main income ko. Sa Paranaque ako nakatira and ang office ko sa Makati.

[little sue]

Originally posted by kennster
hi little sue.. it's good that i can talk to someone who's currently in this biz.. just have a few questions for you, how long was your ROI? is the biz still good in terms of profit? do you have an internet cafe software? how many people did you hire? sorry for the ton of questions, thanks in advance for the help. :)

before nag plan ako nag mag pa install ng internet software, since 6 lang ang unit ko minus the server dinesregard ko na lang yung idea na yun kasi sayang since konti lang naman ang units ko.

no ndi ako nag hire ng tao, kasi sayang yun sa expenses ng shop, i stopped from work and manage the shop. the bix turns out well, kasi nakisabay talaga ako nung super hit ang ragnarok, we open at 2pm and close around 3,4,5,6,7 or even 8 in the morning of the next day, tapos nag su-sub na lang sakin ang pamangkin or ate ko the next day para mag open ng shop tapos ako ulet hanggang closing.

about sa ROI, as what i have said it turns out well naman. kung expeses sa mga PC units ang usapin, nabawi ko na yun in less than a year. but since we totally renovated our garage i'am targeting this coming year untill early next year na mabawi na lahat ng puhunan.

medyo mabagal yung pagbawi ng roi kng iisipin, pero sakin ok lang yun hanga't ndi break even ang net income ko tska expenses ko a month am sure of myself taht the biz running well pa rin.

hope that helps :D

[kennster]

Originally posted by froshie1
Start your own! Hindi ko gusto ang system ng Netopia as a customer and kung ako man ang magtatayo ng business I'm going to start it on my own. Since nabanggit mo ang Netopia eh diba pag sa Netopia ikaw pa mismo ang maghahanap ng lugar? At hindi ka rin sigurado kung iyong franchise fee eh kasama na dun iyong mga license. Pero para sa akin makakamura ka pa rin kapag sarili mo.

Use licensed software. You don't have to install all MS Office software in all your PCs kasi talagang mahal iyon. Ang nagpapamahal sa lisensya ay iyong Office. Iyong Windows mahal pa rin pero mas mababa ang price nya compared to Office. Sabihin natin mga dalawa o tatlong workstation lang ang may Office tapos maginstall ka pa ng isa pa pero lagyan mo ng label na "TESTING PURPOSES ONLY" iyong pang-apat ang gamitin mo kung sakaling may customer ka pa na kakailanganin ng isa pang PC. Naka-attend ako ng seminar dati na kinonduct ng MS na pwede iyon gawin kung tinetest iyong PC at hindi ka huhulihin. Hhehee. Pero syempre iyong "Test" na iyon eh gawin mo lang kung kapos ka at kelangan din na hindi ito long term. Kung long term eh ibang usapan na iyan better buy another license for your 4th PC. Mag-inquire ka din kung meron ng Filipino na WinXP kasi pag localized ang isang OS eh mas mura sya. Problema mo lang sa huli ay kung paano itroubleshoot ang "localized" OS kasi iba ang reg keys nun. Btw, iyong sinabi kong "iba ang reg keys nun" eh applicable lang sa mga ibang languages like Korean, Chinese etc.. Iyong Filipino or Tagalog hindi pa kasi ako nakakakita pero narinig ko before na magkakaron ng ganun na OS. Anyway, kung merong Tagalog na Windows eh gawin mo lahat ng gaming mo ang OS eh Filipino Win (iyon ay kung meron ah) at iyong mga pang gawa ng resume at Word processing eh gawin mo English. Ihiwalay mo din sana iyong area kung saan pwede lang mag word processing/gaming dun sa PCs na for pure gaming. Kung hindi naman pupwede i-group mo na lang iyong PCs na pang word processing/gaming and iyong pang pure gaming. Isa pa pala, shop around sa Ebay for used Windows XP OSes. Kung technical ka use open source technology as your gateway pag hindi ka naman confident using open source at mas feel mo Win eh mag Win ka na lang.

Isa pang tip, hanap ka ng vendor (ewan ko kung meron pa nito kasi may kaibigan ako before iyong i-cafe nya eh ganito ang setup) na nagpapa-rent ng PC units and pag luma na iyong parts eh papalitan niya iyon agad-agad.

if you want help I can offer my services to you. PM me if you need my services. Cheap lang ang rates ko, sideline ko lang ito and hindi ito iyong main income ko. Sa Paranaque ako nakatira and ang office ko sa Makati.

wow it's seems you know a lot.. you'll be a great help here.. :)

i already emailed netopia and they said that they will help look for a good location if you doesn't have one yet.. they said they can set-up a meeting but im still weighing things out.. right now, if i can find a black market where i can get CHEAP licensed softwares, that will sort of pave the way for me to start my own.. :)

[froshie1]

Thanks sa sinabi mo.

I strongly suggest that you start it on your own. I'm assuming that you're into IT. kung ikaw iyong person na nasa IT na and who knows kung paano paikutin ang money ikaw na lang mag setup. Kaya lang naman nagfafranchise ang mga negosyante eh BESIDES sa brand noong product eh ang binibili dyan eh iyong work/process flow or iyong methodologies na ginagamit nila. Kagaya nga ng sinasabi ko, if you're an IT guy and you know a little about business hindi mo kailangan mag franchise ng Netopia. Ikaw mismo ang makakagawa nun at mas cool pa sa Netopia.

For me as a customer don't like Netopia's system. Biro mo kung ang pinunta mo doon eh mag surf at maglaro ng games eh ipapaalam mo pa dun sa attendant na magsusurf ka kung sa una eh naglalaro ka and vice-versa.

[elyserva]

Using cracked serial numbers are still illegal!:D

Server (gateway, proxy, firewall, etc.) mo Linux para makatipid ka!:D

Sa franchising, ang franchisor ang kumikita ng malaki! Biro mo, kumikita sila sa pangalan lang. You still have to pay for everything, rent, equipment, personnel, etc. And you still have to pay them for the franchise fee. I don't know if it's yearly or monthly. Assist ka lang nila!

Patulong ka na lang sa mga kaibigan mo na marunong sa networking. Re i-cafe management s/w, may mabibili naman diyan. Punta ka sa Greenhills!

[theSLASHER]

sa dami ng internet and gaming cafe ngayon, paano magsusurvive ang mga new comers?

[little sue]

Originally posted by theSLASHER
sa dami ng internet and gaming cafe ngayon, paano magsusurvive ang mga new comers?

depende kung saan mo ilalagay, paano set up ng shop mo at kung paano ka makikisama sa mga players mo

believe it or not, my shop is located in a residential area. nakakasabay kami sa mga shop sa labas. parents prefer to see their kids/sons playing here kahit abutin sila ng madaling araw. atska mas nadadalian sila umuwi pag super antok na sila pagkatapos nila maglaro :D

[theSLASHER]

if i were to setup my own gaming cafe, i would limit student's gaming! kasi di na sila nakakapag aral nang mabuti dahil sa games!

pero kung pera lang ang gusto ko... sige lang magsawa sila! wahahaha!

pero sana malakas parin kita ng mga internet cafe. ksi pag nagkapuhunan, un din ang plano ko. :D

[kennster]

Originally posted by theSLASHER
sa dami ng internet and gaming cafe ngayon, paano magsusurvive ang mga new comers?

yep naisip ko na din yan.. but with a good location plus good # of followers, ok pa din.. sa bf nga dami computer shops eh, but there is one shop sa may pres. ave, 24 hrs open, never ko pa nakita nawalan ng customer.. :)

[theSLASHER]

magkano ba ngayong ang lowest rates sa gaming at internet? sa mga cafe ba parehas lang ang fee sa games at internet?

[kennster]

Originally posted by theSLASHER
magkano ba ngayong ang lowest rates sa gaming at internet? sa mga cafe ba parehas lang ang fee sa games at internet?

lowest is 20 pesos per hr.. of course netopia's rates are much higher.. :)

[little sue]

Originally posted by theSLASHER
if i were to setup my own gaming cafe, i would limit student's gaming! kasi di na sila nakakapag aral nang mabuti dahil sa games!

pero kung pera lang ang gusto ko... sige lang magsawa sila! wahahaha!

pero sana malakas parin kita ng mga internet cafe. ksi pag nagkapuhunan, un din ang plano ko. :D

when i was about to open my shop last year na sip ko rin yan... you can't just do it ng ganung kadali

ang payo ko, if your shop is located near sa mga schools, wag mong gayahin yung ibang shop na 6am pa lang bukas na. kaya ang ngyayari ang mga bata ayaw na pumasok, nag lalaro na lang. yun ang bawal! nakalagay naman yun sa mayor's permit eh and a sign "minors are not allowed during class hour" shouls be posted outside your shop. pero yun nga sa sobrang gahaman ng mga computer shop na taghabol sa kita nagpapalaro ng mga student na ndi pumapasok or kaya nag ka-cutting. kaya ako we open our shop at 2pm kasi uwian na ng mga students ng 3pm kaya pwede na

tapos nag sasara kami morning of the next day, mostly adults na yung mga naglalaro during that time kaya ndi na questionable :D

kaya dun po sa mga nagbabalak magbukas ng mga internet/gaming shop dyan... makisama naman kayo sa mga magulang ng bata at tska sa mga schools. wag nyo namang pagkaperahan yung mga bata sa umaga

peace

[theSLASHER]

Originally posted by little sue
when i was about to open my shop last year na sip ko rin yan... you can't just do it ng ganung kadali

ang payo ko, if your shop is located near sa mga schools, wag mong gayahin yung ibang shop na 6am pa lang bukas na. kaya ang ngyayari ang mga bata ayaw na pumasok, nag lalaro na lang. yun ang bawal! nakalagay naman yun sa mayor's permit eh and a sign "minors are not allowed during class hour" shouls be posted outside your shop. pero yun nga sa sobrang gahaman ng mga computer shop na taghabol sa kita nagpapalaro ng mga student na ndi pumapasok or kaya nag ka-cutting. kaya ako we open our shop at 2pm kasi uwian na ng mga students ng 3pm kaya pwede na

tapos nag sasara kami morning of the next day, mostly adults na yung mga naglalaro during that time kaya ndi na questionable :D

kaya dun po sa mga nagbabalak magbukas ng mga internet/gaming shop dyan... makisama naman kayo sa mga magulang ng bata at tska sa mga schools. wag nyo namang pagkaperahan yung mga bata sa umaga

peace

Amen! :D

[theSLASHER]

hmmm, magkano naman ang average expenses per month for a number of units?

[little sue]

dito sa akin since 6 units lang ako, mga P600-1,500 per day pro P800 na kita ok na ko

pero pag bakasyon (christmas & summer) dyos ko po sobrang hina ang kita! kaya minsan you wish na sana wag na mag bakasyon ang mga bata :D

[theSLASHER]

bakit parang baliktad? diba pag bakasyon dapat malakas ang kita kasi walang pasok?

so how much is your electric bill?

[little sue]

akala ko din nung una ganyan ang principle, pero ndi pala kasi pag bakasyon ang bata wala silang pera, pag may pasok nakakaipon sila ng panlaro

electric bill ko iba-iba eh 2 to 3.5k a month, pero yung normal is 2k something

[theSLASHER]

pero siguro kung ang location eh maraming mayayaman, siguro naman malakas parin kita. kasi naobserve ko sa alabang town center , dami customer netopia atbp kahit bakasyon.

sya nga pala, little_sue, how much is your all time low gross income in a day?

[elyserva]

Ok lang if you don't have to pay for rent. E.g. sa bahay lang. But if you consider rent, which is quite substantial din, liliit ang margin of profit mo.

[little sue]

Originally posted by theSLASHER
pero siguro kung ang location eh maraming mayayaman, siguro naman malakas parin kita. kasi naobserve ko sa alabang town center , dami customer netopia atbp kahit bakasyon.

sya nga pala, little_sue, how much is your all time low gross income in a day?

P500.00 po

[little sue]

Originally posted by elyserva
Ok lang if you don't have to pay for rent. E.g. sa bahay lang. But if you consider rent, which is quite substantial din, liliit ang margin of profit mo.

i agree with you elyserva, pag nag rerent ka ng place you should have atlest a minimum of 10 units para cgrado kang ok ang net income mo per month

[theSLASHER]

noong nag umpisa kayong mag internet/game shop busness, paano kayo nag promote? nakilala ba kayo kaagad or unti-unti lang?

[little sue]

i have friends who are computer addicts playing in a shop nearby. halos word of mouth lang talaga nangyari eh, until yung mga friends nila dito na nag play, friends ng mga friends nila, classmates, girlfriends & boyfriends and so on & s forth.

promise wala talaga akming kahit anong ginawa, walang flyers, streamers, discount coupons, etc

pakikisama lang talaga ang importante, lalo na pag dayo yung customer or galing sa kabilang shop. unti-unti na pi-pirate na namin (uso rin yun hahhahhaha) :D

[GeT`PSyCHo]

how much will it cost me for starting just 5 units(1 unit is for the server)? inlcuding permits, softwares and all else... by the way im building it in our home.



:beg:

[tqbfjotld]

little sue, with 6 units you're saying that your average income is 800php per day, right? how much are your monthly expenses? may assistants (taga-bantay) ka ba? i've been planning on engaging on this business for almost a year now, di ko lang natuloy kase i found a better source of income (pero di pang-matagalan), now that my current savings is more than enough para magtayo ng 6-unit lan shop... nag-iisip ulet ako kung ok pa rin ba ang business na to considering na palaos na nga ang ragnarok (na bumuhay sa lanshop business after counterstrike)

masyadong matagal lang talaga ang ROI kaya nag-aalangan ako. :D

[Droc]

always think about security issues...like fire, robery,holdup...hehehe...

[little sue]

QUOTE]Originally posted by tqbfjotld
little sue, with 6 units you're saying that your average income is 800php per day, right? how much are your monthly expenses? may assistants (taga-bantay) ka ba? i've been planning on engaging on this business for almost a year now, di ko lang natuloy kase i found a better source of income (pero di pang-matagalan), now that my current savings is more than enough para magtayo ng 6-unit lan shop... nag-iisip ulet ako kung ok pa rin ba ang business na to considering na palaos na nga ang ragnarok (na bumuhay sa lanshop business after counterstrike)

masyadong matagal lang talaga ang ROI kaya nag-aalangan ako. :D [/QUOTE]

monthly (net) income range from 12-22k, iba iba po eh. depende rin kung may tinopak na parts sa CPU, need another mouse, need a repair, need ganito, need ganyan, etc. wala po akong assistant. kami po ng bf ko nagtutulong to run the shop kasi ndi na kakayanin kung magpapasweldo ako ng 6k a month (in which underpaid na yung bantay ha)

ang monthly expenses ko *** PLDT DSL (P4-5k) , Meralco (P2-4k & Montly Percentage Tax of 3% sa BIR (depende sa net income per month)


@ GeT 'PShCHo

nung nag start kami, nag budget kami ng maximum of 23k per unit (including the Gforce 4 Video card, which is separate sa package), nag end up lang *** ng mga 21.5 k yta or 22k per unit. right now iba na presyo eh. yung friend ko mag o-open ng shop nya on February, kumuha sya ng PC dun sa kinuhanan ko rin sa Cyberzone SM Carpark (SM North Edsa), kasi inikot muna talaga namin dati bago kami bumili ng mga PC. he told me na mas mura na ngayon ang Pentium 4, becoz nag upgrade ang AMD and mas maganda na ngayn yun compared sa Pentium.

enways, bsta payo ko lang po, pag bibili ka ng mga PC magsama ka ng marunong sa mga specs, yung ndi kaya paikutin ng mga technician. tska ikutin mo lahat ng mga bilihan ng shop. if possible wag ka po bibili ng surplus, para ndi sumakit ulo mo sa bandang huli

:*)

[mertzvox]

i recommend sa PC option kayo bumili sa gilmore. ang dahilan kung bakit dumami computersales dyan sa gilmore aurora

[theSLASHER]

ano ba meron sa pc option?

[paulgilbert80]

** sa lugar namin marami ng computershop pababaaan nga ng presyo. yung ibang walang aircon mas mababa ang price. yung iba naman mas mataas ang price .meron isang shop ** na gusto mag conduct ng meeting na pataasin daw ng presyo ang lahat ng shop at dapat pareho lahat ng presyo ang lahat ng shop.dahil malaki daw bill ng meralco at mataas ang maintenance. tama ba na dapat gawing parehas ang price ng lahat ng shop. paano yung walang aircon kakayanin ba nila makisabay.paano naman yung hindi maganda ang ambiance ng shop sa price lang ang dahilan kaya pumupunta yung tao. ano sa tingin nyo.

[little sue]

Originally posted by paulgilbert80
** sa lugar namin marami ng computershop pababaaan nga ng presyo. yung ibang walang aircon mas mababa ang price. yung iba naman mas mataas ang price .meron isang shop ** na gusto mag conduct ng meeting na pataasin daw ng presyo ang lahat ng shop at dapat pareho lahat ng presyo ang lahat ng shop.dahil malaki daw bill ng meralco at mataas ang maintenance. tama ba na dapat gawing parehas ang price ng lahat ng shop. paano yung walang aircon kakayanin ba nila makisabay.paano naman yung hindi maganda ang ambiance ng shop sa price lang ang dahilan kaya pumupunta yung tao. ano sa tingin nyo.

magkano po yung price na gusto nila ipa-implement? magkano yung highest & lowest rate per hour na inoofer ng mga shop dyan sa inyo?

dito kasi sa lugar namin though walang formality na usapin between shop owners. we maintained a P20.00/per hour rate. nakaka alarm talaga pag meron nag o-ofer ng mas mababa sa normal rate kasi yung ibang customer wala talagang loyalty.

i agree na mataas talaga ang meralco & dsl bill halos kinakain nila ang 20-30% na kita ng isang shop. PLDT alone is 4.8k my gulay!

[paulgilbert80]

** kasi sa amin 15 per hour 30 pag two hours. yung sa mga may aircon

at sa mga wala naman 15 per hour 25 two hours at may mga promo pa .
may mga shop naman ** na advantage nila na malapit sila sa school.

may mga shop kasi na maganda ang ambiance at meron din hindi kaya mababa price nila.
sa sitwasyon ng shop ko walang aircon at sa likod ako ng school. marami shop na malapit sa school ang magkakadikit.
at marami akong mga customer na loyal sa akin.
so pagtinaasan ko price at magkakaparehas lahat ng price paano ako, ako naman ang talo. dahil sa walang aircon shop ko at lumaki pa price ng rent ko. aalis na lang yung mga loyal customer at mga napapadaan para mag rent.

[paulgilbert80]

sa sitwasyon ko dapat bang makisundo ako sa price?
pagalingan na lang ng market strategy yan kung paano mo maaakit ang customer, kaya mababa ang price ko dahil sa wala naman ako aircon, wala akong inuupahan sa haus lang namin at medyo malayo ako sa school sa likod ako ng school so price talaga ang panlaban ko.

[sizzling]

Originally posted by paulgilbert80
sa sitwasyon ko dapat bang makisundo ako sa price?
pagalingan na lang ng market strategy yan kung paano mo maaakit ang customer, kaya mababa ang price ko dahil sa wala naman ako aircon, wala akong inuupahan sa haus lang namin at medyo malayo ako sa school sa likod ako ng school so price talaga ang panlaban ko.

kung magtaas ka ng presyo at umalis ang mga loyal customers mo, hindi pala sila "loyal" sa iyo, loyal lang sila sa presyo mo :)

ang hina naman nung taong nagpopropose na pareho ang lahat ng presyo, wala na ba siyang maisip na diskarte para makahatak ng customers?
opinyon ko lang: huwag kang papayag na imanipulate ka nila. patatagan lang naman ang ganung klaseng highly competitive business. kung hindi na nila kaya ang operational expenses, edi magsara na sila. kung maaawa ka sa kanila, baka in the end, ikaw ang kawawa.

maganda ang situation mo kasi wala kang overhead expense na rent. lubus-lubusin mo ang "strength" na yan. like you said, price talaga ang panlaban mo. as long as may profit ka pa rin sa mababang presyo mo, huwag mong pagbigyan ang mga
"kalaban" mo. hintayin mo silang magsara, pag kaunti na lang kayong internet shop sa area, tsaka ka magtaas ng presyo kasi no choice na mga customers mo, hehehe :D .

btw, may nakita akong pc/internet rental na 10 pesos per hour. grabe, kumikita pa kaya yung shop na yun? :eek:

[little sue]

omg pababaan kayo ng rent dyan sa place nyo ha. just wana ask kung ilan po units nyo?

[justine_mommy]

hi guys!

dito sa shop namin, P20 per hour ng games at P 25 ang internet...pag bababa pa dito yung price, mukhang di ka na gaanong kikita...8 years na ang shop namin and still may loyal customers pa rin kami...kahit mag P15 yung mga bagong sulpot na shop, dito pa rin sila, kasi naniniwala ako sa "pakikisama" at kilalanin nyong maigi yung mga customers nyo...mas ok sa kanila yung alam nilang kilala mo sila sa pangalan nila...yung ibang customers namin from grade 6 to college sa amin na talaga, ang sarap ng feeling ng ganon d b?

[theSLASHER]

bakit mas mahal ang internet kesa games? di ba mas maraming nirerequire na resources ang games kesa internet? mga online games ba un or pang LAN o isahan lang?

[paulgilbert80]

PC ko 20 units

[kennster]

well kanya-kanyang marketing strategy yan.. ako when the time comes na meron nkong sariling computer shop, i'll make sure na comfortable yung customers ko, like comfy chairs, nice keyboard & mouse, 17 inch monitor.. kahit gumastos ako ok lang kasi in the long run mas maeensure ko na magkakaloyal customers ako.. :)

[justine_mommy]

Well Kennster you're right, dapat talagang comfortable yung mga customers mo, kasi hindi sila magpapabalik-balik sa isang shop kung hindi sila comfortable. kahit malaki monthly bills (meralco) around 14,000 a month, ok lang.... yung ibang shops kasi dito malapit sa amin P 15 per hour ng games pero di na sila nagbubukas ng aircon sobrang init naman di ba? kaya dapat pina-pamper mo rin sila...dahil malaki rin ang balik nito sa business mo... :)

[jazzy]

MARKETING is the bottom line.
Not all shops we've seen are doing well. May mga nalulugi na dyan.

[YoBaKs]

i am also planning to start my own net cafe biz...i am planning to convert our garage into a netshop and 1 thing i've learned about my surveys is...you can easily gain customers if you have a nice PC setup. Pag maganda ang setup ng PC mo, mabilis ang internet, maganda ang upuan and service...kahit tago pa yung place mo eh dadayuhin ka pa din. Yan kse nangyari sa friend ko, sobrang tago ng shop nya sa Malabon, he converted their garage din...he started out with 8 PCs and after a few months..16 na PCs nya plus the server pa. Word of mouth din ng mga gamers kaya dumami ng husto mga customers nya...imagine ay free water din sya sa shop nya for gamers (w/c works). Medyo importante din pag may CR ka, advantage din yun. And also consider those other services such as CD Burning, DVD Burning if possible, Digital editing, Desktop Publishing, PC Troubleshooting, buy webcams (malakas din ito pag madaling-araw), printing and scanning siyempre, net cards or even Autoloads, konting snacks etc etc...

Basta isa sa pinaka-crucial is yung PCs.

Can you guys give me some tips on what PC specs should I buy? My budget is 25K max/pc.

Thanks, I really find this thread very informative. :)

[clio]

I have several custom made computer tables & some pc units for sale from our internet cafe business before... if interested, text me at 09189062834

[rilkean]

I'm also looking into the feasibility of putting up a netcafe, too, and one thing that I've noticed is: bakit walang gumagamit ng thin client setup? Or meron, pero di advisable? It looks ideal since tipid sa hardware e. Pano pala Windows licensing din dito? Also, correct me if I'm wrong here: its better to have fully-rigged PCs for gaming (than connect it to the thin client)...?

Big concern ko din software licensing. Gusto ko nga sana puro open-source OS ang gagamitin e (for internet and office terminals), tapos OpenOffice na lang pag kelangan gumamit ng Word, etc., pero I think customers are not quite ready for that.

To everyone else who has business proposals to help a netcafe startup, I'm game :)

[ready2go]

what does thin client setup mean?

thanks.

[Revelations]

I have been in the internet/computer center business for 2 years already. Nagsimula ako nung sikat pa ang counterstrike.

As we all know mabilis magdevaluate ang mga computer units. ilang months pa lang hindi na sya ang latest. here are some suggestions lang from my experiences:
1. big problem talaga ang software license but there is such a thing as "corporate license" wherein you will purchase 1 license for x number of units (eg 1 win ME license good for 5 units for 3 years).
2. location is a big factor. masmaganda malapit sa schools
3. one advantage of online games is that you don't need license for this
4. use an alternative software for MS Office. try openoffice and configure it para magmukahang MS Office

problem with a gaming cafe setup is that you need to keep updating your games, continually adding more games, and you need to keep "investing" to upgrade your computer units. Patay ako sa gastos ng upgrading.

Until I realized I don't need to upgrade my computers. Why? Ang mga customers ko tumatanda, nagsasawa rin eventually sa games. However, their needs change into research, encoding, layouting, internet surfing and chat. nagfocus na lang ako sa SERVICES and went away from the gaming cafe scene. guys... i assure you masmalaki ang kita sa printing, encoding, layouting, and internet rental kaysa sa games.

think about it... 1 hour ng game rental is P20 while sa printing and encoding is on a per page basis. if 2 pages ang natapos mo versus 1 hour rental alin ang masmalaki ang kita?

and you don't need to upgrade your computers for office desktop services. I assure you that masmalaki ang survival ng computer center business ninyo if you focus more on services than on the gaming rental.

[rilkean]

I have been in the internet/computer center business for 2 years already. Nagsimula ako nung sikat pa ang counterstrike.

As we all know mabilis magdevaluate ang mga computer units. ilang months pa lang hindi na sya ang latest. here are some suggestions lang from my experiences:
1. big problem talaga ang software license but there is such a thing as "corporate license" wherein you will purchase 1 license for x number of units (eg 1 win ME license good for 5 units for 3 years).
2. location is a big factor. masmaganda malapit sa schools
3. one advantage of online games is that you don't need license for this
4. use an alternative software for MS Office. try openoffice and configure it para magmukahang MS Office

problem with a gaming cafe setup is that you need to keep updating your games, continually adding more games, and you need to keep "investing" to upgrade your computer units. Patay ako sa gastos ng upgrading.

Until I realized I don't need to upgrade my computers. Why? Ang mga customers ko tumatanda, nagsasawa rin eventually sa games. However, their needs change into research, encoding, layouting, internet surfing and chat. nagfocus na lang ako sa SERVICES and went away from the gaming cafe scene. guys... i assure you masmalaki ang kita sa printing, encoding, layouting, and internet rental kaysa sa games.

think about it... 1 hour ng game rental is P20 while sa printing and encoding is on a per page basis. if 2 pages ang natapos mo versus 1 hour rental alin ang masmalaki ang kita?

and you don't need to upgrade your computers for office desktop services. I assure you that masmalaki ang survival ng computer center business ninyo if you focus more on services than on the gaming rental.

Very sound, very good advice, for someone like me who's planning to set up a netcafe biz. Tsaka di naman ako gamer, so alam ko wala akong edge sa competitors.

I have some questions, though: How did you configure OpenOffice to look like MS Office? Was it easy to convince your customers to use the software? I've had OO on my system for years no, and I still fire up MS Office, kasi, mas madali.

[rilkean]

what does thin client setup mean?

thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_client


A thin client is a computer (client) in client-server architecture networks which has little or no application logic, so it has to depend primarily on the central server for processing activities. The word "thin" refers to the small boot image which such clients typically require - perhaps no more than required to connect to a network and start up a dedicated web browser.

Advantages of thin clients

Obviously, boot image control is much simpler when only thin clients are used - typically a single boot image can accommodate a very wide range of user needs, and be managed centrally, resulting in:

Lower IT admin costs. Thin clients are managed almost entirely at the server. The hardware has fewer points of failure and the local environment is highly restricted (and often stateless), providing protection from malware.

Easier to secure. Thin clients can be designed so that no application data ever resides on the client (it is entirely rendered), centralizing malware protection.

Lower hardware costs. Thin client hardware is generally cheaper because it does not contain a disk, application memory, or a powerful processor. They also generally have a longer period before requiring an upgrade or becoming obsolete.

Worthless to thieves. Thin client hardware, whether dedicated or simply older hardware that has been repurposed via cascading, is useless or of little interest outside a client-server environment. Burglars interested in computer equipment have a much harder time fencing thin client hardware (and it is less valuable).


In simpler terms, its a setup wherein you have a central server that runs on, say, Windows XP, programs installed, and deploys that to all the other PC's connected to it; the PCs connected to the network can even be Pentium I's, thats ok, it just needs to at least be able to boot itself.

[DEATHWALK]

Guys, I need some help!! My friend is selling his computer shop. He has provided me the specs of each computer (18 computers all in all). Some parts of the other computers were replaced with new ones so hindi na parepareho ang specs. Other parts have warranties pa nga. As we all know, mabilis mag depreciate ang value ng computers kaya I would like to know sana how much ang estimated price ng bawat part para we can compute kung magkano papatak ang units. I tried calling some computer shops like PC Express, PC Options.. and told them na Im willing to drop by sa shop nila to discuss about the matter kaso they were so busy. I even offered a consultation fee pero *** daw talaga mag eentertain. Di naman pwede sa phone kasi nga wlang time. Hope u guys know someone na mapagtatanungan ko about this. I really need it asap. Any feedback would really be appreciated. Hope to hear soon from you guys! Thanks! :)

[beefnmushroom]

^ deathwalk, friend mo ang nagbebenta ng computer shop niya, pero ikaw ang excited magbenta, malaki ang commission sa iyo no? :)

[DEATHWALK]

Im excited kse balak ko bilin yung computer shop! hehehehe :)

[paulgilbert80]

paano ba yung corporate license? at saan pwede mag inquire o bumili?

[aeneas]

^^ oo nga .. i'm interested in this corporate license thingy. I will be opening a computer shop within the next few weeks. I already have the units and the place ready, I'm just waiting for the phone line and DSL connection to be installed. I have ten units and only three of those have "licensed" OS (windows XP).. I plan to buy licenses one by one so as not to be a big burden on me... can you tell me more about this corporate license?

[froshie1]

^^ oo nga .. i'm interested in this corporate license thingy. I will be opening a computer shop within the next few weeks. I already have the units and the place ready, I'm just waiting for the phone line and DSL connection to be installed. I have ten units and only three of those have "licensed" OS (windows XP).. I plan to buy licenses one by one so as not to be a big burden on me... can you tell me more about this corporate license?


hope this helps!

http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/sa/saolsleacompare.mspx

[chelm]

try nyo www.tipidpc.com

[cybernal0929]

paano ba yung corporate license? at saan pwede mag inquire o bumili?

pede mo lang i-install within your company... punta ka sa cyberzone sa SM Mall.

[armi_rds]

hi kennster
if your interested, we can email you a proposed
quotation for your hardware

if you are planning for a computer shop business
you should assemble your own hardware.

;-):rotflmao:

[armi_rds]

hi DEATHWALK

basta remember lang...
the price of the CPU should not be greater than 16K..
kasi makakapag assemble ka na ng sobrang bilis na CPU
at that cost.

:rotflmao:

[stepehenyan@12]

kung di ka kasing bigtime ng netopia mamumulubi ka sa kuryente at sa bayad ng upa tingin ko dyan quits lang wala naman yumaman dyan pag tagal mabubogbog lang yung computer tapos yung mga gumagamit ng pc kung ano anu dl magugulat ka na lang me virus na yung pc mo. kailan yung katiwala at the same time marunong mag troubleshoot ng pc para me malasakit sa gamit kasi kung sino sinu lang kukunin baka pabayaan computer mo.

[AkoPoSiPipoy]

any marketing strategy or tips sa pagpapatakbo ng cafe? mga discounts or promos na maipapayo nyo?

[Krakista]

Imbes na gaming shop gawin mo nang pr0n shop. Tapos maglagay ka ng isang promo girl sa entrance ng shop mo. Serve beer.

[saint_enaj]

guys yung gaming ba.. for ex. Left4Dead, DOTA, Counter Strike, Warcraft etc.. kailangan bang licensed din ito bawat PC, or dapat yung server lang yung may licensed,.. kasi kung may 10 units ako... at mag iinstall ako ng games ng Left4Dead each unit.. lalabas mga 15thousand ang gastos ko sa isang game palang yun...