The Gentleman: A Vanishing Species?

[Ada]

When was the last time you saw someone give up his seat on a bus, open a door for a total (female) stranger, or even helped that poor old lady to cross the street?

Did the women ask for this when they came out with women's lib?

'Fess up.

[Aragorn]

It's a strange phenomenon, Ada...when I was still in school (not too long ago=) we were constantly pounded to learn "gentlemanly behavior", and I guess it's something I take for granted now. But yes, there are many guys who've neglected "The Code," as the Arthurian legends put it.
I think this is due in part to the decreasing dichotomy between gender roles. There is hardly anything that men do that women can't get into as well. I have a funny feeling that being gentlemanly has now been absorbed into this gender-conscious mindset.
Don't worry, though. People are working double-time to lessen this phenomenon. In my two years as a high school teacher, I've rarely encountered a boy lacking in the social graces/gentlemanly behavior.
They're out there, Ada, believe me! The gentleman is not a vanishing specie! =)

[seven]

I really think that the gentleman specie has not yet vanished. They are definitely still around. But the thing is, society has become liberal enough na parang pag nagpaka-gentleman ka ngayon, you are being a show-off or pakitang tao ka lang. Maybe it is because of the women modernization thing, you know, men and women being equal. But they are still there, definitely. Sometimes lang, the men really feel different when people starts staring at them because they gave up a seat for a lady or an old woman. My boyfriends' one of them you know. Lucky me, huh? :)

[This message has been edited by seven (edited 08-09-1999).]

[An-T-Eep-S]

I think the gentleman types are really vanishing. Little by little gentlemen get swallowed up by our society. The thing is being a gentleman nowadays doesnt have the "glory" it once had. Many women now interpret a gentleman as a chauvinist. Some of them see men being gentlemen to impress someone.

[Mavi]

My highschool years were spent in a co-ed school. The boys there never once hesitated in slamming glass (ouch!) doors in our faces (I guess we were considered one of the boys). I got the shock of my life when I stepped into college where they held doors open for girls.
They ARE out there.

But is that the true measure of a man? "The Code" included not only courtesy and respect for women, but also a vow to uphold the truth, to protect the weak and to fight for what is right. Chivalry was about all that: courage, honor, and above all, upholding God's laws.
Don't just look for the "gentleman" qualities in a guy. Seek the gallant gentleman, noble in spirit and conduct, and faithful to his woman. Now that's the best part! =)

[Aragorn]

Mavi:
I can't imagine a place where they slam glass doors in girls' faces. Shocking, really! But I do agree: a true gentleman can't be just one-sided: kind and courteous to girls, but cruel and insensitive to the needs of other people...it's gotta be the entire package, or he ends up being one heck of a hypocrite.
An-T-Eep-S:
Just don't let that be an excuse for guys to go slamming doors in girls' faces! We gotta stand up for what we believe in, somehow!

[WINTER]

OK, so maybe you don't get to see that kind of 'gentlemanly behavior' too often -- but just because You don't often see it doen't mean it isn't out there. Admittedly, many guys, though they may want to, are afraid to act lest they be branded as 'baduy' or 'pakita lang'. And for the same reason, many girls are afraid to admit that they really really like the gentlemanly quality in a guy, and often try to avoid such occasions where a guy might be a gentleman. Really, there's no need to hide. Why be ashamed of what's right? It's not the "glory" that's important

[Ada]

We sort of had a debate about this in class a few years back, guys versus girls, with the guys trying to justify why they shouldn't be treating girls like invalids. ;)

Anyhows, I was reminded of something a girl classmate of mine said, that being a gentleman or not basically boiled down to manners. It's something inbred, something you do without thinking. So I guess when guys pause and think about whether they should open that door or not, well... go figure.

And guys, don't hesitate to open that door for her just because you're afraid of being branded as baduy . Do you actually care more about what other people will think rather than what she would? And believe me when I say that it speaks a lot about you and how you were brought up by your parents, although of course this isn't the only basis for saying that you were brought up well. ;)

[archerguy]

Perhaps one of the reasons why gentlemen and gentlemanly acts are now slowly vanishing is the fact that women are also fighting for equal rights. I mean, women nowadays tend to do things that men actually do that the perception "I can do this, I don't need a man to help me" is actually causing a retaliation by men who say that they also have the right to be treated equally in terms to giving women consideration in small things like giving them a seat, let them ride in the next taxi, or when you have to walk them home.

[An-T-Eep-S]

just to clarify what i said before. The gentlemen society still exists. By the term vanishing i mean that these people, although gentlemen by spirit and heart, have kept that side of them from the public eyes. Its not anymore the complete accordance to a certain code of ethics. Most gentlemen today have widthrew to the level of only verbal courtesy and non-tolerance of "un-gentlemanlike" acts. Some still show the gentlemen they are but sometimes, what they recieve are negative reactions. Just to sum it up gentlemen are still existing, still roam around the earth but they keep that trait they possess "invisible" to most people to spare themselves of possible negative reactions.

[ChiQui]

The gentleman is not a vanishing specie... they're just pretty dormant right now. And as has been said by everybody else here, it is basically due to the fight for women's liberation. Women think that I can do what men can do and men think that since you think you can do what we can do, then fend for yourselves, open your own doors,pay for your own bills, etc.

I think it is basically up to the individual male to either be a gentleman or a jerk (pardon my french). It is up to his maturity whether to take women's liberation literally or to learn to "read between the lines". :)

They are out there. Be afraid...be very, very afraid. Hehehehe... j/k :)

[Aragorn]

You know, it's been an interesting exchange concerning this topic, but I can't help but see that the dominant thread here is that Gentlemen are now too few to be noticed.
Ada said that we've gotta stand up for what we believe in, regardless of these trends towards women's lib. I read a story in the Reader's Digest that may prove my point:
A man in his early 60s was walking into a building behind a young woman. As they reached the glass doors, the man reached over to hold the door open for the lady.
"Please don't hold that door open for me simply because I'm a woman," said the career girl curtly.
"No," rejoined the man. "I'm holding it open because I'm a gentleman."

[Mister Dean]

I gave my bus seat up yesterday! ;) Seriously though, the whole women's lib thing, while blown out of proportion in the 1960s to 70s, seems to have come into its own now in the 90s headed into the New Millenium. Personally, it can get confusing. I've had some bad experiences when I open doors and give up seats and these women snap at me rather angrily.

[babyfat]

It's funny how we're all debating about whether it's right or wrong to hold a door open for a woman, but given the society we are in, it's not surprising. I think that as a rule, when any person (male or female) has to open a door to enter a room, and there is someone behind him or her, then he or she should definitely hold the door open so that whoever is behind him or her doesn't get smacked in the face.

Women and men are different, but I am sure we can treat each other equally and with respect, even if we treat each other differently. If a stranger on the bus gave up his seat for me, I would be grateful, and I wouldn't automatically think of him as sexist. If I laugh loudly in the school cafeteria and a male schoolmate tells me, "Get ahold of yourself... kababae mong tao!" then I WILL think he is sexist, and I will tell him so. Believe me guys... there's a difference.

[This message has been edited by babyfat (edited 08-14-1999).]

[jack]

Actually sometimes I could that being a gentleman is a weakness. Some females abuse this behavior and even sometimes invoke it to get some favors. Maybe it's vansihing also because of the rise of feminism.

[ASuL]

baby fat...

smacked in the face! hehehe! funny! now! that one's gonna hurt big time! hehehe!

[ASuL]

baby fat...

smacked in the face! hehehe! funny! now! that one's gonna hurt big time! hehehe!

[ann]

what's this abt ladies not liking it when men give up their seat, open doors, stand up & such for them? that's bull.

most women like it, but not when men make a big production out of it. besides, real gentlemen do those things automatically, without pausing to consider whether or not the act will be appreciated or rewarded [with a smile, perhaps?] ...

in this age of yayas & two-career families & single parents, children r not being taught enough by example ... when the father stands up when a woman enters the room, the son will most likely follow suit if he sees the gesture ... the problem is when the father does not know any better or when his son rarely sees him at all ...

there r still gentlemen in philippine society ... the boors just outnumber them ... :(

[This message has been edited by ann (edited 09-02-1999).]

[Ham]

I'm no gentleman. I open doors for people when I want to, be they female or male. I offer my seat when I see someone in need of it more, be they male or female, young or elderly. I try to help out strangers when I have the time, opportunity or graciousness to do so. That said, most of the time, I refrain from doing these things. Now does that make me less of a man?

[harley quinn]

I will echo what Mavi and Aragorn and some of the others have. Being a gentleman does not just mean opening doors or giving up your seat for women! It means respecting life, showing honor, displaying courage--it's a way of life! And it certainly should just not be expected of men but of women as well.

[Aragorn]

Ham: you're saying exactly what harleyquinn is saying...and no, being repsectful of everyone regardless of age, race, or gender does NOT make you any less of a man. A man who acts in a gentlemanly way while expecting some sort of 'reward' (a smile, or maybe the image that he's a gentleman) is NOT a true gentleman. Style niya bulok, 'kamo!

Being a gentleman or a lady means sacrificing one's personal comfort or advantage in order to help someone who needs it more. Mabuhay kayong lahat, ladies and gents! =)

A real gentleman, and a real lady, does not hesitate to sacrifice his/her personal comfort and advantage in order to help someone who is in more need. Mabuhay kayo, ladies and gents

[Ada]

Kuya Haaaaaaaaam!

Yipeee, andito ka na rin! Welkam to Pinoy Exchange. Post ka lagi dito ha? At saka punta ka na rin sa EB sa Sabdao. See you! :)

[An-T-Eep-S]

Well said Aragorn...Ham: not being respectful does not make you less of a man. That attitude of being respectful and all that goody stuff only when there is an equal reward is despicable. In Filipino, the only term that can be used to describe this behavior is "Super-Plastic, or as some girls say today Tupperware."
You need not be a gentleman, you need not be honorable, you need not be good for all society cares but tell you one thing, its your loss. "The Gentleman" ways are not a prerequisite for men, it is an honor to those who are man enough to adapt to it.
Gentlemen are the pride of the civilized male society and the Power hungry gangs and war freaks are the pride of the barbaric society. "The Gentleman" is a "specie" to be honored!!!!!

[Ham]

Adabru!

Sure thing! Hindi ka na nag-BBS kaya sinundan kita dito. hehehe.. bout the eb, am not too sure, baka pwede kung gabi.

Ooops, off-topic.

[chog]

no, the gentleman in the philippines is not a vanishing specie. as one of the replies pointed out, it just not seen and some would interpret it as being pasikat or in extreme cases being a chauvinist. well, i agree that some can be chauvinist, as in women cannot do this, cannot do that but were in the nineties and all should have equal rights.. so to be a gentleman in this day and age one should adapt, that is retain some of the "code" but throw away those "codes" that interfere with equal rights. but one thing that i don't like in this day and age, the younger generation of females sometimes doesn't appreciate on being treated as a lady, since some of them interpret it as mere pakitang tao (as told by winter) mas maganda pa ang mga matatanda they know how to appreciate a good gesture, maybe that's why some men are not that showy.

[BadGiRL]

ada i would give up my seat for a guy...provided that he is of course like 50 yrs older than i am...

there are still gentlemen out there.... but only a few remain in existence...sa lrt out of the blue when u are really dead tired from school...some guy will some how stand up and let me have his seat...happens but minsan lang...as in sobrang minsan lang....

[Ada]

Just curious. Has anyone seen a girl give up her seat for a guy?

And if you're a girl, would you?

[Wangie]

PEPS: hehe...about the Xaverians being gentlemen, i'm sure a lot of females would avidly disagree with you...hehe...

ARAGORN, HARLEY, and everyone else: Agree ako that being a gentleman doesn't just end with pulling chairs for a lady, or opening doors, or what-have-you. Gentlemen RESPECT anyone, REGARDLESS of man, woman, non-man, non-woman, old, young, pretty, ugly, yada yada yada. I find that I am more akin to respecting men who are inherently kind and respectful of others but who don't necessarily open doors for women, than those who do "act" gentlemanly, but who, behind everyone else. they just badmouth anyone.

o, diba?
=)

[Artemis]

Not really. It depends a whole lot on the environment that you are in. But sometimes, especially when your guy friends are pretty much close to you, they tend to treat you as one of the boys, that they think they can omit the gentleman act. Although some of my guy friends seem to have a natural gentleman in them.
We may tend to be feminist at times, but that doesn't mean that we dont want to be treated the right way. We still want someone to open the door for us, have us seat before they do, wait for us to enter the gate before they drive off, and other stuff.
I'm just so glad to have a supergentleman boyfriend who has never missed to open the car door for me. Maybe the specie isn't vanishing, they're just too shy to show the gentleman that they are. So guys, kahit sabihin pa ng mga girls na ayaw nila ng pinagbubuksan sila ng pinto and other things, believe me, they're just dying to be treated that way.

[Ira]

LOL @ Wangie!!!! The day I see my brother and his barkada, my relatives and all my friends who all graduated from Xavier pull out a chair for women would be the day the Red Sea parts. And if the girl was ICAn, they're more likely to pull the chair out from under these girls. Trust me and Wangie on this. We grew up around them.

Have to agree with Wangiebabes too...being a gentleman requires a more deeply-rooted behavior and attitude than superficial habits like pulling out chairs or giving up a bus seat.

[CaRaMBa]

Ehehehehe sorry to the Xavier guys... But I vehemently disagree to what Peps just said. :)

The gentleman is not a vanishing specie. They're out there. Sometimes we look for the wrong things. Like opening doors, giving up seats. But there's more to it than just that. I agree with Wangie that the real gentlemen are those who are inherently good and kind and respectful of others. Sometimes they do forget to open the door for you or let you go ahead. But these actions, nice as they are, could be just fronts. Look inside before you start admiring someone for being a gentleman. JMHO. :)

[Zen]

Ditto with Wangie, Ira and CaRaMBa. I know too many Xaverians who aren't gentlemen.. ehehe sorry. There are gentlemen out there.. sa tabi-tabi... Though I don't think being a gentleman has anything to do with where you studied. I know some who came from public schools..

:)

[MO]

does that mean m off the hook?

[Zen]

*batok* Les

[wickwater]

nope. it's not true that our kind is vanishing...scarce maybe, but not vanishing. i for one would consider myself as a true gentleman (modesty aside) i open doors for women, stay on the danger-side of the street, help the elderly cross the street, give up my seat for ladies, old people, disabled persons, pregnant women, women pretending to be pregnant and men pretending to be women. i am one of those modern-day gentlemen you now call "suckers"

a man is branded ungentlemanly when he does not give up his seat in a crowded bus or train yet women push for equal rights!!! that sucks!!! when u see a sardine-packed bus don't get in it. the problem is u know its packed and u still want to go catch it, halfheartedly expecting someone to give u his seat.u know, both men and women pay the same fare and suffer in the same traffic.

the problem with women is that they want the best of both worlds...they want to be treated as equals yet they ask for soooo many favors and considerations.

so which is it?!
after u creatures pick one...shut ur trap!!!

after reading this...u would probably say that i'm not a gentleman...fine with me coz that's how u shallow creatures think. when a man agrees with u...he's good, when he disagrees with u...he's rude.

[mparaz]

Xavierian Here! LoL! :)

Well for my self-assessment, I don't consider myself too much of a gentleman in the the good-manners-and-right-conduct department. I follow the spirit of the idea - or I try to - anyway!

Wala na rito si Wangie no? Well her brother... was my classmate in Xavier HS.

[RevenanT]

xavierians? try bosconians! :D

seriously... sad to say this pero i agree. but then it's also the signs of the times. not many females are bothered by that anymore since now, they're very much independent and believe in their strengths more. i even have this friend, i offered to carry her books for her kasi i notice ambigat-bigat talaga pero she insisted she could carry it. muntikan na nga kami nag-away e.

[janelle_yap]

well mannerred ang mga taga Xavier at Don Bosco Makati.

[cong]

Originally posted by Ada
When was the last time you saw someone give up his seat on a bus, open a door for a total (female) stranger, or even helped that poor old lady to cross the street?

Did the women ask for this when they came out with women's lib?

'Fess up.



thought women want to be treated equally?

[EverAfter]

Well, yes, they are vanishing, but there still are a handful of true gentlemen out there. It's funny though. We women asks for equal rights but then we get pissed when guys beat us to the last seat in the bus or they don't open the door for us.

I used to think I was a radical feminist until I fell in love with a gentleman. And then I realized that I'm also just like any other girl. So there.

Anyway, the gentleman I fell in-love with turned out to be fake pala. He turned out to be this really pompous jerk who acts as if I don't exist.

Or maybe I'm just bitter because up to this day, he still hasnt loved me back.

[EverAfter]

Well, yes, they are vanishing, but there still are a handful of true gentlemen out there. It's funny though. We women ASK for equal rights but then we get pissed when guys beat us to the last seat in the bus or they don't open the door for us.

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edit ko lang, wrong grammar eh :)

[SHINJIN]

Question: When was the last time na you saw a woman na pinaupo muna, ginive up mo na yung chair allted to you. Tapos nung nakaup na hindi man lang marunong ngumiti at mag thankyou.

Hey hindi namin obligasyon na we always have to please you. Since na gentleman lang talaga kami. Do we need some gesture of apreciation man lang sa gnawa namn. Tanong lang naman.

[Jogalogs]

[i]the problem with women is that they want the best of both worlds...they want to be treated as equals yet they ask for soooo many favors and considerations.

so which is it?!
after u creatures pick one...shut ur trap!!!

after reading this...u would probably say that i'm not a gentleman...fine with me coz that's how u shallow creatures think. when a man agrees with u...he's good, when he disagrees with u...he's rude.

I agree so much with u. this femenist thing is crap. parang women theses days want the best of both worlds. u make us guys feel worthless like that. parang u want to be treated equally pero at the same time u want still want guys to be gentlemanly. parang spoiled brats men! ang arte nyo kase p*uta!

call me a jerk if u want coz i dont give a crap. I can live without femenists anytime. femenists are losers.

another thing is when i try to be a gentleman, i never recieve any gratitude for it. so kung ganun dehins na yung pagiging gentlemen. why bother if you dont recieve and appreciation...

[solace]

There still are gentlemen. I see them in the MRT. At work. My best friend is a gentleman.

I think there's a gentleman in every guy. It's just up to him whether he wants to let it out or not. :D

[terry ilaes]

Originally posted by Ada
When was the last time you saw someone give up his seat on a bus, open a door for a total (female) stranger, or even helped that poor old lady to cross the street?

Did the women ask for this when they came out with women's lib?

'Fess up.

chivalry's not dead. probably a bit toned down since both men and women want and need to be treated equally.

anyway, to answer your question other question, yes i would give up my seat open doors for a complete female stranger but if i see an old man standing or a guy carrying tons of stuff in the metro then i'd give it to him instead... gets? a gentleman doesn't neccessarilly mean he has to be considerate towards a woman you know...

but i rarely see a woman give a "gentleman" their seat either. what's up with that?! :rolleyes: frankly speaking, men are more considerate than women... concerning this matter anyway.

[rampage]

ITS SO EASY TO ACT LIKE A GENTLEMAN WITHOUT REALLY BEING A TRUE GENTLEMAN AT HEART.

AKO, AYOKO NANG GUYS NA INAAKAY PA KO OR PINAGDADALA NG PURSE. HELLO, KUNG DAMI YUNG DALA KO OKAY , BUT NOT WHEN ALL IM HOLDING IS MY HANDBAG.

I LIKE A MAN WHO'S A LITTLE ROUGH AROUND THE EDGES. HE PROBABLY WONT OPEN DOORS FOR ME, HE MIGHT EVEN FORGET TO OFFER ME A SEAT NOW AND THEN...OKAY LANG YON. FOR AS LONG AS I FEEL SAFE AND PROTECTED IN HIS PRESENCE, FOR AS LONG AS I FEEL A QUIET STRENGTH IN HIM- HELL BEAT ANY OLD GENTLEMAN TO MY HEART. IF I HAD ONE, THAT IS.HEHEHEH...:D

BESIDES HOW CAN I EXPECT TO BE TREATED EQUALLY IF I CANT STAND ON MY OWN TWO FEET AND TAKE IT LIKE A MAN?

[KrAyzEE_CooL]

there still are gentlemen out there somewhere..... wait tingin me sa mirror...... ayun i saw a gentleman at the mirror ahehehehe.... not naman as if im being boastful noh.... but im a gentleman and i practice the code of chivalry..... i fight for women if they need it....:) :) :)

[cong]

Originally posted by rampage

AKO, AYOKO NANG GUYS NA INAAKAY PA KO OR PINAGDADALA NG PURSE. HELLO, KUNG DAMI YUNG DALA KO OKAY , BUT NOT WHEN ALL IM HOLDING IS MY HANDBAG.


thats right. unless you are a ***** or have a *****, you dont carry a purse, ever.

[tamisguy]

You can turn a very honest, unassuming comment, and make it to something really offensive. :D

But I do agree with the comment. I think carrying a girls purse is overkill. It she's carrying books or a heavy bag then by all means offer to carry it. But a purse? People might really think you're gay. :D

Originally posted by rampage

AKO, AYOKO NANG GUYS NA INAAKAY PA KO OR PINAGDADALA NG PURSE. HELLO, KUNG DAMI YUNG DALA KO OKAY , BUT NOT WHEN ALL IM HOLDING IS MY HANDBAG.


Originally posted by cong


thats right. unless you are a ***** or have a *****, you dont carry a purse, ever.

[cong]

Originally posted by tamisguy
You can turn a very honest, unassuming comment, and make it to something really offensive. :D

my ability to elevate and demean a subject in one sentence is just one of my many endearing qualities.

i was of course, talking about all the ******* out there who salivate on women.

:D

[!@#$%*]

definitely not :lol:

[rampage]

TAMISGUY GET USED TO IT.CONG IS SOMEONE THAT'S SO EASY TO HATE.YOU HAVE TO BE A VERY GENEROUS AND REMARKABLY BROAD-MINDED PERSON TO FIND HIM " ENDEARING" AS HE SAID. I THINK IM MORE GENEROUS AND BROAD-MINDED THAN I EVER THOUGHT I COULD BE.HAHAHA...

BACK TO THE TOPIC,ACTUALLY THRERE ARE WOMEN IN WHOSE PRESENCE MEN FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE GENTLEMEN. THESE WOMEN ARE CALLED "LADIES." LADIES IN THE CONTEXT OF DAINTY, FRAGILE BEINGS WHO WILL FAINT AT THE MENTION OF A VULGAR WORD, GANON.

ME, IM NO LADY. IM A PERSON. THAT'S WHY I DONT INSIST ON SPECIAL TREATMENT TO FEEL SPECIAL.

[bEngZ]

i agree with the guy who said chilvalry's not dead, at least, yet.

but how do you define a gentleman, anyway? i know of men who'd readily give up their seats for women they find attractive, but would turn the other way if the woman standing doesn't look good to them. there are men who'd pull out chairs for you and even foot the bill when you're dating, but would soon forget these when he has finally gone to bed with you. you know, being a gentleman could just be a show off, or they simply do these to earn "pogi" points.

on the other hand, if the man is well-mannered (or let's just a real GOOD guy), he would always open doors for women, the elderly, the disabled without the feeling of pressure that he's being watched or being sized up on his gentlemanly ways. he'd do these without qualms, without expecting women to fall for them.

gentlemen vanishing? you could see them everywhere.

well-mannered men vanishing? i hope not.

[terry ilaes]

women have been trying hard to gain respect from men and women alike but when are you "ladies" going start being indepedant and not cry about it?! boo hoo...

there's nothing more insulting than a woman yelling "girl power" then ask men to pay or do everything...

[cong]

Originally posted by bEngZ
but how do you define a gentleman, anyway? i know of men who'd readily give up their seats for women they find attractive, but would turn the other way if the woman standing doesn't look good to them.

good looking women get all the breaks.

there are men who'd pull out chairs for you and even foot the bill when you're dating, but would soon forget these when he has finally gone to bed with you. you know, being a gentleman could just be a show off, or they simply do these to earn "pogi" points.

well, yeah. some men put their better foot forward to "get in there". some men dont hear a word until theyve seen the girl naked.

on the other hand, if the man is well-mannered (or let's just a real GOOD guy), he would always open doors for women, the elderly, the disabled without the feeling of pressure that he's being watched or being sized up on his gentlemanly ways. he'd do these without qualms, without expecting women to fall for them.

these are gay guys. or straight single guys because women dont want GOOD guys. nice guys finish last. of course they dont expect any woman to fall for them because theyre most likely been disheartened. theyre the biggest ******* on earth.

[cong]

Originally posted by terry ilaes
women have been trying hard to gain respect from men and women alike but when are you "ladies" going start being indepedant and not cry about it?! boo hoo...

there's nothing more insulting than a woman yelling "girl power" then ask men to pay or do everything...

thank you sir. well said.

women want to be treated equally yet all they do is complain and whine about not being offered the seat, not being opened the door to. blah, blah, blah.

[cong]

Originally posted by rampage
GET USED TO IT.CONG IS SOMEONE THAT'S SO EASY TO HATE.YOU HAVE TO BE A VERY GENEROUS AND REMARKABLY BROAD-MINDED PERSON TO FIND HIM " ENDEARING" AS HE SAID. I THINK IM MORE GENEROUS AND BROAD-MINDED THAN I EVER THOUGHT I COULD BE.HAHAHA...



haha. thought you were about to compliment me again, you ended up complimenting yourself instead. crazy. ;)

[misbee]

i think if a guy is a true gentleman, it comes out naturally. i think it has something to do with a guy's breeding na rin.

[tamisguy]

He's tolerable, rigth Pareng Cong? :D

Does a person who would gladly give his seat on a bus to a beautiful woman in the bus a gentleman, even if he goes home and mistreats his wife badly? Or does a guy who goes home and gives all the respect his wife deserves and more, and yet fails to give his seat to a lady in the bus because he so damned tired from work not a gentle man?

I guess what I'm saying is that being a gentleman means more than opening a door for a girl or giving your seat so that she can sit. If a girl is young and strong, isn't it a great way of showing you're a strong woman by not expecting someone to offer his seat to you?


[QUOTE]Originally posted by rampage
TAMISGUY GET USED TO IT.CONG IS SOMEONE THAT'S SO EASY TO HATE.YOU HAVE TO BE A VERY GENEROUS AND REMARKABLY BROAD-MINDED PERSON TO FIND HIM " ENDEARING" AS HE SAID. I THINK IM MORE GENEROUS AND BROAD-MINDED THAN I EVER THOUGHT I COULD BE.HAHAHA...

[KuHRant^21]

It is almost a definition of a gentleman to say he is one who never inflicts pain. This description is both refined and, as far as it goes, accurate. He is mainly occupied in merely removing the obstacles which hinder the free and unembarrassed action of those about him; and he concurs with their movements rather than takes the initiative himself.

His benefits may be considered as parallel to what are called comforts or conveniences in arrangements of a personal nature: like an easy chair or a good fire, which do their part in dispelling cold and fatigue, though nature provides both means of rest and animal heat without them.

The true gentleman in like manner carefully avoids whatever may cause ajar or a jolt in the minds of those with whom he is cast; -- all clashing of opinion, or collision of feeling, all restraint, or suspicion, or gloom, or resentment; his great concern being to make every one at their case and at home.

He has his eyes on all his company; he is tender towards the bashful, gentle towards the distant, and merciful towards the absurd; he can recollect to whom he is speaking; he guards against unseasonable allusions, or topics which may irritate; he is seldom prominent in conversation, and never wearisome. He makes light of favours while he does them, and seems to be receiving when he is conferring.

He never speaks of himself except when compelled, never defends himself by a mere retort, he has no ears for slander or gossip, is scrupulous in imputing motives to those who interfere with him, and interprets everything for the best.

He is never mean or little in his disputes, never takes unfair advantage, never mistakes personalities or sharp sayings for arguments, or insinuates evil which he dare not say out. From a long-sighted prudence, he observes the maxim of the ancient sage, that we should ever conduct ourselves towards our enemy as if he were one day to be our friend.

He has too much good sense to be affronted at insults, he is too well employed to remember injuries, and too indolent to bear malice. He is patient, forbearing, and resigned, on philosophical principles; he submits to pain, because it is inevitable, to bereavement, because it is irreparable, and to death, because it is his destiny. If he engages in controversy of any kind, his disciplined intellect preserves him from the blunder. [From The Idea of a University, 1852]


I'm sure it takes more to being a gentleman than just giving up seats and opening doors.

[unregistered]

does it always have to be men.
i don't understand why there's no such gentlewomen in this world?
i thought they're demanding for equality?
women are so impossible :lol:

[bEngZ]

terry ilaes - perhaps some women are still in that "trying" stage, but you've got to widen your horizon. more and more women have made a name for themselves without a man "behind their success".

tamisguy- i agree with you. i would have to say thank you for seeing beyond the face of a gentleman. and kudos, too, to kuHRant^21 for sharing that bit of information.

i don't think that nice guys finish last and that women don't like them. hey, i do. it's just that some women (like me) prefer men who are a little rough, you know. no, not the pa-macho effect, just a little tough and at the same time, gentle. i personally don't like seeing men carrying our bags. i can handle that. when i'm with male bosses, i don't expect them to open doors for me or pull out a chair for me. social graces are different from business etiquette. (but i'm glad my boss still does that!)

we do demand equality but not in the sense that, okay you play basketball. give me a ball, i can play it, too. i can climb a tree. i can fix the faucet, and the like. what we demand for is that we be treated as your equal, that we be given equal opportunities at work (it's happening now), that our rates be equal with men who hold the same position as ours, that we be not discriminated against simply because we are women. we demand that you men share housework, that we alternate feeding the baby...those are some of the things we women demand equality for.

[tamisguy]

:)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bEngZ

tamisguy- i agree with you. i would have to say thank you for seeing beyond the face of a gentleman. and kudos, too, to kuHRant^21 for sharing that bit of information.

[cong]

Originally posted by bEngZ
what we demand for is that we be treated as your equal,

equal? guys, how many times has a woman asked you to lift that 50lbs stack of paper from the supplies room? or the 5 gallon water jar?

that we be given equal opportunities at work (it's happening now)

this is what i dont get, it really is happening now, yet women continue to whine.

that our rates be equal with men who hold the same position as ours, that we be not discriminated against simply because we are women. we demand that you men share housework, that we alternate feeding the baby...those are some of the things we women demand equality for.

theres that explanation about fair rates. when your kid suddenly feels sick, women usually are the ones who skip work to take care of the kid. having said that, WOMEN DONT WORK HARDER THAN GUYS. WOMEN DONT PUT IN AS MUCH HOURS AS MEN. if only women will, then youd be compensated equally. look at oprah. she makes over 100 million a year because she works so hard, she works 18 hrs a day. she also doesnt small kids to take care of. now, if you women are going to sh*t out babies left, right and center, dont complain about equal rates because you cant put in the same hours on the job.

julia roberts. makes 20 million per movie. why do you think that? its because she works hard. she doesnt sh*t babies out every year.

[tamisguy]

Here comes the Beesssss!!!!! :eek: :D

Originally posted by cong


equal? guys, how many times has a woman asked you to lift that 50lbs stack of paper from the supplies room? or the 5 gallon water jar?



this is what i dont get, it really is happening now, yet women continue to whine.



theres that explanation about fair rates. when your kid suddenly feels sick, women usually are the ones who skip work to take care of the kid. having said that, WOMEN DONT WORK HARDER THAN GUYS. WOMEN DONT PUT IN AS MUCH HOURS AS MEN. if only women will, then youd be compensated equally. look at oprah. she makes over 100 million a year because she works so hard, she works 18 hrs a day. she also doesnt small kids to take care of. now, if you women are going to sh*t out babies left, right and center, dont complain about equal rates because you cant put in the same hours on the job.

julia roberts. makes 20 million per movie. why do you think that? its because she works hard. she doesnt sh*t babies out every year.

[terry ilaes]

Originally posted by bEngZ
terry ilaes - perhaps some women are still in that "trying" stage, but you've got to widen your horizon. more and more women have made a name for themselves without a man "behind their success".


although i see more and more of them, most women still expect us to do everything for them... not some. why are we even talking about this? cause most women are still in that trying stage...

[bEngZ]

terry ilaes - we're still in that trying stage because men still dominate everything...

[mscrookshanks]

sad but true, chivalry is dying. just imagine this: monday rush, you get into a jampacked bus, and i'll bet my ten fingers that the probability of a guy offering his seat is 0.01. wanna bet?:rolleyes:

[bEngZ]

this is what i dont get, it really is happening now, yet women continue to whine.

cong - ...because this is STILL happening, women continue to struggle (and yes, whine) because this is still the norm...

[rampage]

PERSONALLY, I LOOK AT PEOPLE AS PEOPLE. NOT AS MAN, WOMAN. THE ONLY TIME I MAKE ANY KIND OF DISCRIMINATION BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN IS WHEN IT COMES TO SEX.

I ONLY SLEEP WITH MEN.

AS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, IT HARDLY MATTERS TO ME. THAT'S WHY I DONT DEMAND TO BE TREATED LIKE A FAIR DAISY.

[bEngZ]

Originally posted by cong

theres that explanation about fair rates. when your kid suddenly feels sick, women usually are the ones who skip work to take care of the kid. having said that, WOMEN DONT WORK HARDER THAN GUYS. WOMEN DONT PUT IN AS MUCH HOURS AS MEN. if only women will, then youd be compensated equally. look at oprah. she makes over 100 million a year because she works so hard, she works 18 hrs a day. she also doesnt small kids to take care of. now, if you women are going to sh*t out babies left, right and center, dont complain about equal rates because you cant put in the same hours on the job.

julia roberts. makes 20 million per movie. why do you think that? its because she works hard. she doesnt sh*t babies out every year.

cong, you're only looking at the physical level e. you have to understand that men and women are built differently. you are physically stronger, but we are emotionally stronger. it's not an issue of strengths and weaknesses. you've got to look deeper, and beyond the physical aspect.

how dare you say this [WOMEN DON'T WORK HARDER...]! i wish your mom could hear you...natural pregnancy is not a woman's job alone, i bet you're aware of that. you make it sound like it's our sole responsibility. i wonder where you came from...and what does "work" mean to you? does work equal office? now what do you call the things we do at home? what about working moms, after a hard day's work at the office, you still expect (and demand) we prepare dinner, tutor the kids, bathe and get them to bed while you drink beer and watch ballgames. and just when we are about to retire to bed, you still demand sexual obligation from us. from the moment we open our eyes in the morning to the time we close them at night, we work, work, work...

[rampage]

Originally posted by cong


equal? guys, how many times has a woman asked you to lift that 50lbs stack of paper from the supplies room? or the 5 gallon water jar?



this is what i dont get, it really is happening now, yet women continue to whine.



theres that explanation about fair rates. when your kid suddenly feels sick, women usually are the ones who skip work to take care of the kid. having said that, WOMEN DONT WORK HARDER THAN GUYS. WOMEN DONT PUT IN AS MUCH HOURS AS MEN. if only women will, then youd be compensated equally. look at oprah. she makes over 100 million a year because she works so hard, she works 18 hrs a day. she also doesnt small kids to take care of. now, if you women are going to sh*t out babies left, right and center, dont complain about equal rates because you cant put in the same hours on the job.

julia roberts. makes 20 million per movie. why do you think that? its because she works hard. she doesnt sh*t babies out every year.

WOMEN DONT **** BABIES CONG, THEY GIVE BIRTH TO THEM. IM SURE YOUR MOM DID NOT SH*T YOU OUT.

THE METRO AID WHO CLEANS OUT THE STREET IN FRONT OF MY SUBDIVISION WORKS AS A STREETCLEANER DURING THE DAY AND SELLS CIGARETTES AT NIGHT. SHE ALSO DOES LAUNDRY. SHE EARNS AROUBND FIVE HUNDRED PESOS A DAY ON A GOOD DAY. SHE DID NOT SH*T OUT ANY BABIES, BUT SHE HAS SISTERS GOING TO SCHOOL. THEY ARE ORPHANS. I EARN MORE THAN SHE DOES, WITH TWO HOURS OF MY WORK.

MY POINT IS, DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES CALL FOR DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. SOME PEOPLE DONT GET TO EARN THEYRE LABORS WORTH. ITS NOT BECAUSE JULIA ROBERTS HASNT GOT KIDS AND THAT SHE WORKS SOOOO HARD THAT SHE GETS PAID SO MUCH. REALLY CONG, LISTEN TO YOURSELF. SHE JUST FOUND THE BEST CIRCUMSTANCES, WITH HARDWORK YES, BUT ALSO WITH A LOT OF LUCK.

BESIDES, IF WOMEN WONT SH*T OUT BABIES, WOULDNT MEN BE EXTINCT TOO?

[cong]

Originally posted by tamisguy
Here comes the Beesssss!!!!! :eek: :D


there they are.

here we go, bro. :cool:

[cong]

Originally posted by bEngZ
this is what i dont get, it really is happening now, yet women continue to whine.

cong - ...because this is STILL happening, women continue to struggle (and yes, whine) because this is still the norm...

you can whine all you want. a lot of times, women are not heard because of the irritating way you utter your sentiments. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. pass those earplugs please.

speaking of equal opportunity, the president of the company i work for is a lady. shes in her 40s and shes pretty, has a husband whos equally successful, no kids. 20 years ago, she started as a marketing associate for the company that eventually bought this company, promoted until she headed marketing. promoted again to become president of this company. now, i wonder where shell be if all she did was whine.

if only women will shut their pie hole and buckle down to work.

[tamisguy]

heheheheh...:D I'm just an innocent bystander here. No drive by shooting aimed towards me pls. :)

[cong]

Originally posted by bEngZ
cong, you're only looking at the physical level e. you have to understand that men and women are built differently. you are physically stronger, but we are emotionally stronger. it's not an issue of strengths and weaknesses. you've got to look deeper, and beyond the physical aspect.

now you totally contradicted yourself. thought you can ball? thought you can climb trees? thought you can fix faucets? if youre going to draw the line at lifting stuff, then the line of compensation has to follow. you cant ask for fair rate if you cant do what we do.

how dare you say this [WOMEN DON'T WORK HARDER...]! i wish your mom could hear you...

irrelevant. first, you sliced my argument to half. but let me address that just the same, if youre out taking care of your sick kid and your husband stays at work, do you still work just as hard?

then, you ruin a perfectly good discussion with that "i wish your mom could hear you" crap. thats totally unacceptable. you dont include god, or family in an argument, unless its about god and family.

natural pregnancy is not a woman's job alone, i bet you're aware of that. you make it sound like it's our sole responsibility. i wonder where you came from...and what does "work" mean to you? does work equal office?

compensation meaning, MONEY. this is the seed of this discussion, which by the way you started and i only picked up. feel free to start an entirely new one with household stuff and ill meet you there.

now what do you call the things we do at home? what about working moms, after a hard day's work at the office, you still expect (and demand) we prepare dinner, tutor the kids, bathe and get them to bed while you drink beer and watch ballgames.

what about those things you do at home? theres that whining again. how typical. you dont take beer and tv out after a hard days work on a guy, after all, he been chained to a desk all day. hes lifted boxes for women who couldnt. a man will work until a tumor in his brain or balls or colon claims his life.

and just when we are about to retire to bed, you still demand sexual obligation from us. from the moment we open our eyes in the morning to the time we close them at night, we work, work, work...

we dont whine about our obligations, as you too shouldnt. thats right, you better keep us happy in between your legs, dont even think that youre irreplacable.

im just telling the truth baby. if it hurts, holler OUCH!

[cong]

Originally posted by rampage
WOMEN DONT **** BABIES CONG, THEY GIVE BIRTH TO THEM. IM SURE YOUR MOM DID NOT SH*T YOU OUT.

why are you taking me literally?

THE METRO AID WHO CLEANS OUT THE STREET IN FRONT OF MY SUBDIVISION WORKS AS A STREETCLEANER DURING THE DAY AND SELLS CIGARETTES AT NIGHT. SHE ALSO DOES LAUNDRY. SHE EARNS AROUBND FIVE HUNDRED PESOS A DAY ON A GOOD DAY. SHE DID NOT SH*T OUT ANY BABIES, BUT SHE HAS SISTERS GOING TO SCHOOL. THEY ARE ORPHANS. I EARN MORE THAN SHE DOES, WITH TWO HOURS OF MY WORK.

MY POINT IS, DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES CALL FOR DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. SOME PEOPLE DONT GET TO EARN THEYRE LABORS WORTH. ITS NOT BECAUSE JULIA ROBERTS HASNT GOT KIDS AND THAT SHE WORKS SOOOO HARD THAT SHE GETS PAID SO MUCH. REALLY CONG, LISTEN TO YOURSELF. SHE JUST FOUND THE BEST CIRCUMSTANCES, WITH HARDWORK YES, BUT ALSO WITH A LOT OF LUCK.

its more hardwork than luck. you think shed make 20 million per picture now if she had a baby than star in pretty woman? or had she gotten pregnant before my bestfriends wedding, you think shell make that much now? anyways, this isnt just about her, this is about women working hard.

BESIDES, IF WOMEN WONT SH*T OUT BABIES, WOULDNT MEN BE EXTINCT TOO?

of course. to all whiny women out there, this maybe a solution.

[terry ilaes]

Originally posted by bEngZ
this is what i dont get, it really is happening now, yet women continue to whine.


:crazytongue:

[terry ilaes]

i forgot to post this the other day but i saw a guy give up his comfy seat in the metro to a guy in crutches...

like i said chivlary's not dead yet. it will always be there and is undergoing many changes...

[terry ilaes]

Originally posted by bEngZ
terry ilaes - we're still in that trying stage because men still dominate everything...

we'll if that's how you think then fine... but is it a reason to whine? stop thinking and complaining about those little things, i.e. giving up seats, never treats me dinner, and prove us men that your worthy enough of our respect. whining never helps...

[cong]

Originally posted by terry ilaes


we'll if that's how you think then fine... but is it a reason to whine? stop thinking and complaining about those little things, i.e. giving up seats, never treats me dinner, and prove us men that your worthy enough of our respect. whining never helps...

bet you shes single.

[rampage]

"why are you taking me literally?"


BECAUSE ITS NOT NECESSARY TO USE SUCH AN UGLY TERM TO PROVE YOUR POINT. YOU CAN JUST SAY, " IF THEY WERENT HAVING BABIES ALL THE TIME." YOU DO NOT HAVE TO INSTIGATE HOSTILITY YOU KNOW.


"its more hardwork than luck. you think shed make 20 million per picture now if she had a baby than star in pretty woman? or had she gotten pregnant before my bestfriends wedding, you think shell make that much now? anyways, this isnt just about her, this is about women working hard. "


I CONCEDE, NO SHE WOULDNT HAVE. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE HER FIGURE MIGHT CHANGE, BECAUSE HER FANS WONT LIKE IT. BECAUSE ITS HARDER TO MARKET A FILM STARRED IN BY A MOMMY. ITS NOT JUST THE HARDWORK, CONG. SHE WAS BORN WITH THE LOOKS, AND THE TALENT AND THE "IT"- GENETIC GOOD LUCK, COUPLED WITH THE RIGHT KIND OF BREAK. SHE'S GOOD AT KEEPING WHAT SHE HAS ACQUIRED THOUGH, BUT ITS NOT SHEER HARDWORK. LIFE ISNT JUST ABOUT SHEER HARDWORK.


"of course. to all whiny women out there, this maybe a solution. "

IM NO WHINY WOMAN. IN FACT IM NOT ARGUING WITH YOU IN DEFENSE OF WOMEN. IM ARGUING WITH YOU ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON SUCCESS AND HOW PEOPLE- NOT JUST WOMEN- ACHIEVE IT.

MAN, IVE MISSED THIS. WEVE BEEN TOO NICE TO EACH OTHER LATELY.:D :D :D

[bEngZ]

cong - reading your replies incensed me! you may very well be the chair of a male chauvinist society. but lest tamisguy concludes that "ladies (don't) understand that you enjoy this kind of bantering", let me assure you that i do. in fact i like the way you sort of defend men. at least i'm sure you're a man, not a boy. *okay*

i didn't contradict myself. go back and check. and hey, i'm not whining! i just sort of picked up the cudgel and say something for us women because somebody said we are impossible because men thought we want equality and yet we act like helpless little girls, to that effect. for your information, i am not a helpless little girl - i am a woman. i don't represent any feminist group, just airing my side and asserting my right. we can go on forever arguing and discussing about this but we'll never reach an understanding. unless men and women learn to accept one's basic differences, only then we'll come to understand each other. i can stand a man who thinks big of himself, i have always been secure of myself.

if you think the "i wish your mom could hear you" thing is crap and totally unacceptable, your "women sh*tting out babies" is utterly repulsive. i keep wondering whether to call you your mother's son or your father's sh*t. :wondering:

and cong, you can bet your life I'm single...happily single again :lol:

[InLaBs]

short and simple... it's a changing world. konti na lang gentleman ksi marami nang balasubas sa mundo. (excuse me for the term)

parang sa mga girls... may mga LADIES pa ba? mayroon pa bang girls na hindi marunong magmura? na hindi nagyoyosi? na hindi umiinom? marami pa bang virgin nga yon? may mga simpleng babae pa ba ngayon? wala na.. wala. kung mayroon man gifted yun.

pantay pantay lang naman so wag na tayong magreklamo

[rayne]

Originally posted by rampage
ITS SO EASY TO ACT LIKE A GENTLEMAN WITHOUT REALLY BEING A TRUE GENTLEMAN AT HEART.

AKO, AYOKO NANG GUYS NA INAAKAY PA KO OR PINAGDADALA NG PURSE. HELLO, KUNG DAMI YUNG DALA KO OKAY , BUT NOT WHEN ALL IM HOLDING IS MY HANDBAG.

I LIKE A MAN WHO'S A LITTLE ROUGH AROUND THE EDGES. HE PROBABLY WONT OPEN DOORS FOR ME, HE MIGHT EVEN FORGET TO OFFER ME A SEAT NOW AND THEN...OKAY LANG YON. FOR AS LONG AS I FEEL SAFE AND PROTECTED IN HIS PRESENCE, FOR AS LONG AS I FEEL A QUIET STRENGTH IN HIM- HELL BEAT ANY OLD GENTLEMAN TO MY HEART. IF I HAD ONE, THAT IS.HEHEHEH...:D

BESIDES HOW CAN I EXPECT TO BE TREATED EQUALLY IF I CANT STAND ON MY OWN TWO FEET AND TAKE IT LIKE A MAN?

*okay*

I totally agree...

[rayne]

InLaBs

:laugh:
:rotfl:
:lol:

[InLaBs]

tama naman ako di ba?

[psychic_psycho]

ako............GENTLEMAN! :bow: :haloangel:

[cong]

Originally posted by rampage

BECAUSE ITS NOT NECESSARY TO USE SUCH AN UGLY TERM TO PROVE YOUR POINT. YOU CAN JUST SAY, " IF THEY WERENT HAVING BABIES ALL THE TIME." YOU DO NOT HAVE TO INSTIGATE HOSTILITY YOU KNOW.

i wasnt instigating anything. i was simply driving a point. if you find it offensive, tough luck.

I CONCEDE, NO SHE WOULDNT HAVE. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE HER FIGURE MIGHT CHANGE, BECAUSE HER FANS WONT LIKE IT. BECAUSE ITS HARDER TO MARKET A FILM STARRED IN BY A MOMMY.

youre right. who wants a mommy?

ITS NOT JUST THE HARDWORK, CONG. SHE WAS BORN WITH THE LOOKS, AND THE TALENT AND THE "IT"- GENETIC GOOD LUCK, COUPLED WITH THE RIGHT KIND OF BREAK. SHE'S GOOD AT KEEPING WHAT SHE HAS ACQUIRED THOUGH, BUT ITS NOT SHEER HARDWORK. LIFE ISNT JUST ABOUT SHEER HARDWORK.

i didnt say its all about hardwork.

WHINY WOMAN. IN FACT IM NOT ARGUING WITH YOU IN DEFENSE OF WOMEN. IM ARGUING WITH YOU ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON SUCCESS AND HOW PEOPLE- NOT JUST WOMEN-ACHIEVE IT.

youre not whiny. it was aimed at the rest of the women who dont do anything but whine.

MAN, IVE MISSED THIS. WEVE BEEN TOO NICE TO EACH OTHER LATELY.:D :D :D

i know huh? keep those dukes up, theres a lot more where these banters came from.

[cong]

let me say this first, women are not impossible. women are easy to figure out.

Originally posted by bEngZ
for your information, i am not a helpless little girl - i am a woman. i don't represent any feminist group, just airing my side and asserting my right.

i know that. i dont entertain arguments from little girls.

we can go on forever arguing and discussing about this but we'll never reach an understanding. unless men and women learn to accept one's basic differences, only then we'll come to understand each other.

thats what im here for. i help translate women into english (or filipino) so guys would understand them, and in the process i let broads in on what goes on in a guys head.

if you think the "i wish your mom could hear you" thing is crap and totally unacceptable, your "women sh*tting out babies" is utterly repulsive. i keep wondering whether to call you your mother's son or your father's sh*t.

better decide soon.

and cong, you can bet your life I'm single...happily single again :lol:

i knew it. what man can stand all that whining coming out of your cake hole?

[tamisguy]

But now that you have assured me that you do then let's continue with the discussion. :) I never did say that I agree with Cong's views about men and women. I just enjoy seeing how he can lit a fire under everyones a-s. That's all.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bEngZ
cong - reading your replies incensed me! you may very well be the chair of a male chauvinist society. but lest tamisguy concludes that "ladies (don't) understand that you enjoy this kind of bantering", let me assure you that i do. in fact i like the way you sort of defend men. at least i'm sure you're a man, not a boy. *okay*

[Bostsip]

may i add
quickly vanishing

[tamisguy]

Maybe then you'll find a true gentleman. The obvious can sometimes blind us from what is really there. ;)

[terry ilaes]

Originally posted by Bostsip
may i add
quickly vanishing

tamisguy, nah! maybe her batuta scarying them away...

[teri1977]

vanishing? maybe but i think meron pa rin mga guys na gentleman..but girls, if you can't find one, it's ok.. advice: be independent. most girls that i know kasi ay parang nakasandal sa mga bfs/husbands nila. think about it, should we be like this? i think we shouldn't kahit pa sa mga guys.. lalake lang yan..lol... and babae lang yan..lol... just my opinion :)

[xyzseaman]

Originally posted by Bostsip
may i add
quickly vanishing

Pawala na pala ako, ganoon? :crazytongue:

[sTainD]

actually, nanjan lang yung mga yun sa tabitabi! nahihiya na lang ksi yung iba eh! actually, nung nagbus ako, i stood up for an old lady,, inunahan ba naman sya nung isang babae! ok lang sana sakin kaso nakakaawa naman yung matanda!

[Bostsip]

I know that there are still gentlemen out there, but let us face the truth they are quickly vanishing. It's like being a gentleman these days is just a CHOICE among men, and not an intrinsic part of their personality. Some men only become gentlemen when they WANT and CHOOSE to be gentlemen. this is quite the wrong attitude because being a gentleman is and should be part of a man's life. It's not just about doing favors for a woman or opening doors or giving up seats for them in public places. No, being a gentleman is a way of life wherein there's mutual respect. for others.

Kudos to the existing gentlemen out there....
:)

[iSKOph]

some women made it difficult for men to continue doing 'gentlemanly gestures' dahil there's no way for us to tell whether we'll offend or help the woman we're directing the 'gentlemanly gesture' to.....

it's a fact na na-o-offend ang ibang babae sa mga 'gentlemanly gestures' that please some women....

some men chose not to give their seats so as not to be put in an embarassing situation na tanggihan and offend the lady....

'the gentlemen' appear to be quickly disappearing but please remember it's not entirely the male population's fault....

what do women really want?

enlighten us!

[pretty_woman]

i think meron pa naman pero sobrang konti na lang

[bEngZ]

cong - you say women are easy to figure out? for that guy who said we are impossible, how come cong can figure us out easily?!? perhaps cong's feminine side is more dominant than his counterpart? :glee:

hmm, you're there to help translate women...whoa! what more can i say? couldn't argue with this. :roll eyes:

you knew it! i'm losing steam...:bored: whining is not my cup of tea, i know myself better. btw, it was i who called it quits. men who can't keep a monogamous relationship are not worth it. :ayaw:

[fountainpen]

Hmmm...

I have guy friends who know I can do certain things without their help, and who offer help when they can see I need it, and I appreciate that. I rather like it when they make the offer, and I make it a point to smile my thanks whether I need the help or not... But then I also offer to help them when I see they need the help, and they appreciate that too. Sometimes they accept, sometimes they say it's ok, they can manage. No politics necessary there. That's friendship for you.

Now regarding strangers, men have given up seats for me, and I never fail to thank them. I have also given up my seat once for an old and frail man who looked very tired and needed the seat more than I did. But as I am able-bodied, I really don't expect guys to give up their seat all the time. Same thing with opening doors. If a guy offers to open the door for me and I'm carrying lots of stuff, that's lovely. I've done the same for encumbered guys before.

Now as to stuff like who pays, it's on a per individual basis: if the guy insists on paying for everything because he'd feel weird if he doesn't... I won't make an issue out of it, but sometimes if it's just a friendly date and the guy takes care of dinner, I also offer to take care of the movie, coffee and dessert. Some guys I've dated like that too, and they told me so (one or two even became previous boyfriends).

There are still lots of gentlemen out there, just more modern. Guys don't have to be gentlemen for the sake of being gentlemen. They are gentlemanly because it comes naturally to (some of) them to be gallant and helpful. Well... at least I think so. These kinds of guys make me feel feminine, but not dependent on their help.

As a woman I really wouldn't pack like 10 heavy suitcases and then have to look for porters or helpful gentlemen to carry them for me, that's an IMPOSITION na. I'd rather pack one suitcase on wheels and bring a backpack and be able to move around freely on my own. But even if I'm only carrying an umbrella and a guy offers to hold it for me, what does it cost me to be nice about it ?

Friendly guys with really nice manners... wow. They are great :) They deserve to be treated well, too.

[cong]

Originally posted by bEngZ
cong - you say women are easy to figure out? for that guy who said we are impossible, how come cong can figure us out easily?!? perhaps cong's feminine side is more dominant than his counterpart? :glee:

hmm, you're there to help translate women...whoa! what more can i say? couldn't argue with this. :roll eyes:

you knew it! i'm losing steam...:bored: whining is not my cup of tea, i know myself better. btw, it was i who called it quits. men who can't keep a monogamous relationship are not worth it. :ayaw:

haha! you think that that would offend me? think again.

i think theres a reason why he played around. he probably saw it the other way, youre not worth it, thats why he played around.

with all your complaining, you can blame him?

[terry ilaes]

Originally posted by bEngZ
you knew it! i'm losing steam...:bored: whining is not my cup of tea, i know myself better. btw, it was i who called it quits. men who can't keep a monogamous relationship are not worth it. :ayaw:

i know cong gets personal but there really is no need for that info here. :) don't let him manipulate your emotions like that. :rolleyes:

[bEngZ]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cong

haha! you think that that would offend me? think again.
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am not trying to be offensive. sorry but you failed to read me. i know you're just pretending to be a guru about us women.
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i think theres a reason why he played around. he probably saw it the other way, youre not worth it, thats why he played around.
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there's always a reason for everything. his inability to control his weakness, as with most men, does not make me a lesser woman. so does your insensitive comment.

[bEngZ]

Originally posted by terry ilaes


i know cong gets personal but there really is no need for that info here. :) don't let him manipulate your emotions like that. :rolleyes:
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thanks, terry, :) but i know myself better than cong or anybody else, for that matter. i'm not a little gal who cries over callous commentary especially from people who know nothing about me. i'm sensitive in a positive way. :wink:

perhaps cong has run out of positive things to say about his tribe and has turned personal on me. :cool:

at any rate, i still believe that there are a few more gentlemen existing. pray tell, may they increase their lot.

[rampage]

PERSONALLY, I'D RATHER HAVE A GUY WHO'S HONEST, EVEN CUTTINGLY AND PAINFULLY HONEST, RATHER THAN A GENTLEMAN.

I WOULD NOT WANT A GUY WHO'D , SAY, STAY WITH ME CAUSE HE'S BEING A GENTLEMAN AND CANT HURT MY FEELINGS. THAT'S AN INSULT- LIKE, HEY DONT YOU THINK IM BIG ENUF TO HANDLE THIS?

OR A GUY WHO'D ASK ME WHERE I WANT TO EAT DINNER JUST TO BE NICE AND WHEN I SAY JAPANESE HE GOES WITH IT KAHIT HATE NIYA JAPANESE FOOD. THAT'S JUST DUMB. IM OPEN TO COMPROMISE.

I CANT RESPECT A MAN WHO'D BREAK HIMSELF IN HALF JUST TO BE A GENTLEMAN. WE ALL KNOW THEY CANT KEEP IT UP FOREVER ANYWAY, SO I SAY- BE FOR REAL, THAT'S THE SIDE OF YOU ILL HAVE TO TAKE ANYWAY.

[Krelian]

Originally posted by rampage
PERSONALLY, I'D RATHER HAVE A GUY WHO'S HONEST, EVEN CUTTINGLY AND PAINFULLY HONEST, RATHER THAN A GENTLEMAN.

I WOULD NOT WANT A GUY WHO'D , SAY, STAY WITH ME CAUSE HE'S BEING A GENTLEMAN AND CANT HURT MY FEELINGS. THAT'S AN INSULT- LIKE, HEY DONT YOU THINK IM BIG ENUF TO HANDLE THIS?

OR A GUY WHO'D ASK ME WHERE I WANT TO EAT DINNER JUST TO BE NICE AND WHEN I SAY JAPANESE HE GOES WITH IT KAHIT HATE NIYA JAPANESE FOOD. THAT'S JUST DUMB. IM OPEN TO COMPROMISE.

I CANT RESPECT A MAN WHO'D BREAK HIMSELF IN HALF JUST TO BE A GENTLEMAN. WE ALL KNOW THEY CANT KEEP IT UP FOREVER ANYWAY, SO I SAY- BE FOR REAL, THAT'S THE SIDE OF YOU ILL HAVE TO TAKE ANYWAY.

Very well said dearie *okay*

Gentlemen are vanishing species because feminism is succeeding. Well what are those gentlemanly gestures anyway, done out of assumption that the women are the weaker sex and therefore needs some assistance from men in some of the things that they do. Now with the gradual success of feminism, this assumption gradually fades, as well as the gentlemanly acts and gestures that goes with it.

Unless you guys have another definition of being gentlemen aside from those acts and gestures towards women that are normally called being gentleman (like giving seat and opening the door and carrying bag for ladies), then this issue settles.

[sips coffee]

[cong]

Originally posted by cong
am not trying to be offensive. sorry but you failed to read me. i know you're just pretending to be a guru about us women.


i know your kind. youre nothing but a whiny b*tch who was cheated on by your boyfriend because you talk to much.

and youre in denial about it too. i knew you were single. NO guy wants you, face it.

there's always a reason for everything. his inability to control his weakness, as with most men, does not make me a lesser woman. so does your insensitive comment.

his inability to control his weakness- its because he was with you. he wasnt happy with you. you were never worth it, you schill!

how old are you? how much do you weigh?

[teri1977]

hey people, stop fighting alright??!! :D tara let's just chill somewhere :)

[TeX]

i thought this was supposed to be about somethin else, i think there's one at PEx name dThe Gentleman

[bEngZ]

Originally posted by cong


i know your kind. youre nothing but a whiny b*tch who was cheated on by your boyfriend because you talk to much.

and youre in denial about it too. i knew you were single. NO guy wants you, face it.



his inability to control his weakness- its because he was with you. he wasnt happy with you. you were never worth it, you schill!

how old are you? how much do you weigh?

bless you, cong, but i'm not gonna stoop down to your level. :angel:

[bEngZ]

Originally posted by teri1977
hey people, stop fighting alright??!! :D tara let's just chill somewhere :)

thanks, for somehow putting an end to this stuff. some people are simply cruel, you know, even to people they don't even know much less personally seen. i could just imagine how much more cruel he is with people he knows. but i'm buyjng terry ilaes' advice that i should not let this cheap shrink manipulate my emotions. if only he could see me, geez, i'm sure he's gonna eat his words. and i'm not gonna hold him back. :)

[rampage]

Originally posted by bEngZ


thanks, for somehow putting an end to this stuff. some people are simply cruel, you know, even to people they don't even know much less personally seen. i could just imagine how much more cruel he is with people he knows. but i'm buyjng terry ilaes' advice that i should not let this cheap shrink manipulate my emotions. if only he could see me, geez, i'm sure he's gonna eat his words. and i'm not gonna hold him back. :)

ACTUALLY, CONG'S BEING NICE TO YOU PA NGA. YOU SHOULD GO TO THIS NOW-DEFUNCT THREAD ABOUT SINGLE MOTHERS. YOU SHOULD SEE WHAT HE SAID TO ME.:D

IT WAS A PRETTY LONG-STANDING ARGUEMENT.ITS STILL RUNNING, BY THE WAY. CONG AND I HAVE SIMPLY AGREED TO DISAGREE, I GUESS.DONT LET HIM GET TO YOU. BELIEVE ME, HE SAID WORSE THINGS TO ME.

PIECE OF ADVICE, IGNORE HIM. IF YOU DONT YOU MIGHT END UP ACTUALLY LIKING THE GUY. TRUST ME..:)

[rampage]

Originally posted by cong


i know your kind. youre nothing but a whiny b*tch who was cheated on by your boyfriend because you talk to much.

and youre in denial about it too. i knew you were single. NO guy wants you, face it.



his inability to control his weakness- its because he was with you. he wasnt happy with you. you were never worth it, you schill!

how old are you? how much do you weigh?

TSK.TSK.TSK.CHEAP SHOTS, CONG. PLEASE, YOU CAN ARGUE BETTER THAN THIS. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW HER.;)

[cong]

Originally posted by rampage
PIECE OF ADVICE, IGNORE HIM. IF YOU DONT YOU MIGHT END UP ACTUALLY LIKING THE GUY. TRUST ME..:)

dude, dont say that here. there are people here who try to read between the lines even if theres nothing TO read. you know how it is.

i dont want you getting in trouble, not that youd take that kind of crap. still...

[Sta|ker]

:flamer: :flame:


hmm... someone is snapping out of the topic here


the gentleman is like the search for the perfect human being.. simply there is no such thing as a perfect human being therefore the gentleman you are looking for does not exist...

Men will also become slobs and they act like tupperwares to be a gentleman... A true gentleman is an in and out thing...

To begin with the gentleman is like a utopia-ideology...

Gentleman = myth

I am a guy.. and i admit I ain't no gentleman.. CoZ I.R. said so...

:smile2skull::smile2skull::smile2skull::smile2skull:

[rampage]

Originally posted by cong


dude, dont say that here. there are people here who try to read between the lines even if theres nothing TO read. you know how it is.

i dont want you getting in trouble, not that youd take that kind of crap. still...

WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS MORE INCRIMINATING THAN WHAT I SAID. :D

YOU ARE VERY FUNNY.:D CHILL,DUDE. I THINK THEY GOT THE MESSAGE.

[rampage]

Originally posted by Sta|ker
:flamer: :flame:


hmm... someone is snapping out of the topic here


the gentleman is like the search for the perfect human being.. simply there is no such thing as a perfect human being therefore the gentleman you are looking for does not exist...

Men will also become slobs and they act like tupperwares to be a gentleman... A true gentleman is an in and out thing...

To begin with the gentleman is like a utopia-ideology...

Gentleman = myth

I am a guy.. and i admit I ain't no gentleman.. CoZ I.R. said so...

: :

YEAH, WELL, THANK GOD I DONT NEED ONE HUH?:)

HEY. LET ME GUESS, MAGREREKLAMO KA RIN ABOUT WHAT I JUST SAID.:D ILL SAY IT FOR YOU...THERE IS NOTHING TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES, FOLKS.:D

[cong]

Originally posted by rampage
YOU ARE VERY FUNNY.:D CHILL,DUDE. I THINK THEY GOT THE MESSAGE.

deleted something.

never mind. :rolleyes: im being nice today.

[tamisguy]

:rolleyes:
Originally posted by cong


deleted something.

never mind. :rolleyes: im being nice today. :

[Sta|ker]

hmmm why isnt anyone sticking to the topic..

[bEngZ]

Originally posted by rampage


ACTUALLY, CONG'S BEING NICE TO YOU PA NGA. YOU SHOULD GO TO THIS NOW-DEFUNCT THREAD ABOUT SINGLE MOTHERS. YOU SHOULD SEE WHAT HE SAID TO ME.:D

IT WAS A PRETTY LONG-STANDING ARGUEMENT.ITS STILL RUNNING, BY THE WAY. CONG AND I HAVE SIMPLY AGREED TO DISAGREE, I GUESS.DONT LET HIM GET TO YOU. BELIEVE ME, HE SAID WORSE THINGS TO ME.

PIECE OF ADVICE, IGNORE HIM. IF YOU DONT YOU MIGHT END UP ACTUALLY LIKING THE GUY. TRUST ME..:)

woman to the rescue! thanks, rampage. i really thought it was a pretty good discussion until one of us turned subjective. between him and i, you know guys who went overboard.

me end up liking the guy? hmm...i guess you'll agree with me when i say men who can't and don't make our blood boil are simply boring, ha?! :wink:

[cong]

Originally posted by bEngZ
woman to the rescue! thanks, rampage. i really thought it was a pretty good discussion until one of us turned subjective. between him and i, you know guys who went overboard.

i was trying to drive a point. it doesnt matter who gets hit, the closer it is to home, the better. now you now exactly why youre alone.

agree with me or not, i hope i got you thinking. have a good weekend.

[SUX2BU]

A vanishing coin? :surprised:

Ma'am Ada, I know that this is such a stupid quibble, but you should have used "species" instead of "specie". "Specie" is just awkward and wrong.

Just my 20 quetzales. :)

[rampage]

Originally posted by bEngZ


woman to the rescue! thanks, rampage. i really thought it was a pretty good discussion until one of us turned subjective. between him and i, you know guys who went overboard.

me end up liking the guy? hmm...i guess you'll agree with me when i say men who can't and don't make our blood boil are simply boring, ha?! :wink:

IM PROBABLTY THELAST TO RESCUE ANYONE FROM THE BIG BAD WOLF, BUT THANKS FOR THE APPRECIATION. IT WAS MADE AT THE RISK OF RESSURECTING THE BATTLES BETWEEN US.

YUP, MEN WHO CANNOT RATTLE MY CAGE BORE ME BEYOND ENDURANCE. I NEED A MAN WHO CAN FIRE ME UP, NOT WATER ME DOWN. HEHEHE...

OKAY, PEACE NA SANA DITO...

[rampage]

Originally posted by cong


deleted something.

never mind. :rolleyes: im being nice today.

DONT DO ME ANY FAVORS CONG.
IDONT NEED YOUR BEING NICE.;)

NOW ILL WONDER WHAT YOU DELETED.HOW MEAN COULD IT POSSIBLY BE?HOW BADLY WOULD IT RILE ME?
:rolleyes:

[cong]

Originally posted by rampage

NOW ILL WONDER WHAT YOU DELETED.HOW MEAN COULD IT POSSIBLY BE?HOW BADLY WOULD IT RILE ME?
:rolleyes:

you cant hate me more than you already do. but it sure wouldve made your day. forget about it because you will never find out.

[rampage]

Originally posted by cong


you cant hate me more than you already do. but it sure wouldve made your day. forget about it because you will never find out.

YOURE VERY SMOOTH, VERY QUICK. RIGHT. TELL EM HOW MUCH I HATE YOU.

YOU SHOULD BE AN ADVERTISING MAN. GET THE DESIRED EFFECT WITH A COUPLE OF WORDS, PROPERLY PLACED.;)

[terry ilaes]

you two are sooo cute... :lol:

[rampage]

Originally posted by terry ilaes
you two are sooo cute... :lol:

I CANT WAIT TO SEE WHAT CONG WOULD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.:)

[bEngZ]

Originally posted by cong


i was trying to drive a point. it doesnt matter who gets hit, the closer it is to home, the better. now you now exactly why youre alone.

agree with me or not, i hope i got you thinking. have a good weekend.

hey, i may have said i am happily single, but dearie, did i say i'm alone? :winky:

tnx for the wish, i did have a very good weekend! :naughty2:

[cong]

Originally posted by rampage


I CANT WAIT TO SEE WHAT CONG WOULD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.:)

thats right, girl. keep those dukes up. who knows what ill say next.
;)

[cong]

Originally posted by bEngZ


hey, i may have said i am happily single, but dearie, did i say i'm alone? :winky:

tnx for the wish, i did have a very good weekend! :naughty2:

if you did what i think you did, then youre not as bad a chick as i thought you were.

;)

[bEngZ]

Originally posted by cong


if you did what i think you did, then youre not as bad a chick as i thought you were.

;)

lesson? don't pre-judge people you haven't had "contact" with, right? take that literally and figuratively, dearie. :naughty3:

i don't know what it is that you're thinking that i did, but i did enjoy doing it...immensely! :wink:

[cong]

Originally posted by bEngZ

lesson? don't pre-judge people you haven't had "contact" with, right? take that literally and figuratively, dearie. :naughty3:

there was no lesson to be learned, not from you anyhow. i can pre judge anyone i want. are you gonna stop me?

i didnt think so.

[bEngZ]

Originally posted by cong


there was no lesson to be learned, not from you anyhow. i can pre judge anyone i want. are you gonna stop me?

i didnt think so.

nope, you're too old to be taught any lesson, or to be influenced, you should know better. people who are shallow refuse to learn more because there's no more room for them to grow.

[Sta|ker]

http://www.data-techniques.net/cwm/contrib/xerx/smileymobmassacre.gif

[cong]

Originally posted by bEngZ
nope, you're too old to be taught any lesson, or to be influenced, you should know better. people who are shallow refuse to learn more because there's no more room for them to grow.

thats right.

what can i learn from a whining lonely b|tch anyhow? tell me, whats it like to be alone? whats it like to be cheated on? to be betrayed? whats it like not having anyone around?

sorry a$$ b|tch.

[rubberdorkey]

So where did the topic on the subject left off?

how do we define a Gentleman anyway?

Is it based on the way men act for, in behalf, and against the opposite sex?

Did our society changed the definition from the 'rescuing-a-damsel-in-distress-type' to the 'standing-on-the-bus-for-the lady' kind of thing?

Is it based alone on being corteous, polite and the what-have-you-good-traits?

Before we find out if the "Gentleman" is a vanishing species, i believe we first have to define what we mean or what we ask from a "Gentleman."

I myself would like to know in order to become one.

[raven23]

Originally posted by rubberdorkey
So where did the topic on the subject left off?

how do we define a Gentleman anyway?From Blast in the Past (forgot the exact line, but...):

"A gentleman, or a lady, is someone who tries to make everyone around them as comfortable as possible at all times."

[tEaMooN]

Originally posted by SUX2BU
A vanishing coin? :surprised:

Ma'am Ada, I know that this is such a stupid quibble, but you should have used "species" instead of "specie". "Specie" is just awkward and wrong.

Just my 20 quetzales. :)

yeah...no such thing as "specie".."species" is a collective noun...

:)

[rampage]

Originally posted by cong


thats right, girl. keep those dukes up. who knows what ill say next.
;)

EXACTLY. I THOUGHT UP A HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN POSSIBLE SARCASTIC RETORTS AND SNIDE COMMENTS YOU COULD HAVE MADE IN RESPONSE TO TERRY'S REMARK.

IT DID NOT OCCUR TO ME THAT YOU MIGHT IGNORE IT.HAHAHAHA....:D

[rampage]

Originally posted by raven23
From Blast in the Past (forgot the exact line, but...):

"A gentleman, or a lady, is someone who tries to make everyone around them as comfortable as possible at all times."

IF BEING A GENTLEMAN OR A LADY MEANS I HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR EVERYONE'S COMFORT AND ALL THAT CRAP, MAN, HUWAG NA.

THAT CAN BE SOOOO EXHAUSTING AND ITS IMPOSSIBLE TOO KEEP IT UP FOREVER. SO ID BE KIDDING MYSLEF AND EVRYONE ELSE.

[teri1977]

Originally posted by raven23
From Blast in the Past (forgot the exact line, but...):

"A gentleman, or a lady, is someone who tries to make everyone around them as comfortable as possible at all times."

geez, if this is totally true, then i wouldn't wanna be someone like that..lol... should I need to make everyone comfortable? it's like always trying to please everyone.. i'm not here to pls anyone..

[bEngZ]

Originally posted by cong


thats right.

what can i learn from a whining lonely b|tch anyhow? tell me, whats it like to be alone? whats it like to be cheated on? to be betrayed? whats it like not having anyone around?

sorry a$$ b|tch.

with the way you reply, it only affirms that you are more incensed than i am, and i'm happy to note that.

again, i'm offering prayers for you. you sure are a troubled boy. bless you, kiddo :angel:

rubberdorkey's right, we better stick to the topic.

[rampage]

Originally posted by bEngZ


with the way you reply, it only affirms that you are more incensed than i am, and i'm happy to note that.

again, i'm offering prayers for you. you sure are a troubled boy. bless you, kiddo :angel:

rubberdorkey's right, we better stick to the topic.

SWEETHEART, I WOULDN'T CALL CONG KIDDO IF I WERE YOU. THE MAN THINKS THAT'S A TERM OF ENDEARMENT.:)

[bEngZ]

Originally posted by rampage


SWEETHEART, I WOULDN'T CALL CONG KIDDO IF I WERE YOU. THE MAN THINKS THAT'S A TERM OF ENDEARMENT.:)

but dearie, that's how i see him, just a naughty, little boy...

[tamisguy]

:D

[Clover_Gurrll]

The cong and rampage show.

[SuKiYaKi]

Originally posted by Clover_Gurrll:

The cong and rampage show.

:lol: :rotflmao:

[aggressor]

Hey, I'm still here.
Hmmmm..... does it mean I'm an endangered specie?

[rampage]

Originally posted by Clover_Gurrll
The cong and rampage show.


CLOVER_GURRLL..*** HA!:bop::lol:

[tamisguy]

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Clover_Gurrll
The cong and rampage show.

[Clover_Gurrll]

cong maybe brutally honest and that's one of the things that I like about him. But, he can also be very childish by resorting to personal attacks and hurtful comments. I hope he'll learn to accept the fact that we agree to disagree here. And that discussion boards like this are for exchanging opinions and opinions are like a**holes--everyone has one.

Anyways, back to the topic. I'm pretty sure Julia Roberts if she decides to have a child will not lose her steam. Look at Madonna, Meg Ryan, Jodi Foster, Cindy Crawford, Hillary Clinton etc. Women work as hard as men--its just that men don't consider housekeeping hard work as they've never done it. And they don't consider childbearing hardwork as they've never been there.

The whiniest creatures are unfortunately for men--not women but men. They are just big babies especially when they're sick.

Its no wonder God gave the childbearing privilege to women--because he knows that giving it to men will make their extinction a reality.

[KGB]

Originally posted by Clover_Gurrll

The whiniest creatures are unfortunately for men--not women but men. They are just big babies especially when they're sick.

Its no wonder God gave the childbearing privilege to women--because he knows that giving it to men will make their extinction a reality.


:D

[s_a_m_a_e_l]

*bump thread*

[goodsamaritan55]

The gentlemen or true men, only belong to the true women.

Since women have turned their backs on motherhood and ladylike manners and have embraced feminism, most women will not recognize nor appreciate gentlemanliness even if it strikes them on their head enough to bury them to the ground.

Today's feminist beholden women instead see gentlemen as male chauvanist pigs. When women do marry gentlemen, they are divorced and milked for all they are worth in alimony.

The future gentlemen could be your little boys now. But only a foolish mother would feed her sons to b*tchin feminist women to beat up.

When women go back to their ladylike attitudes, become feminine, become true mothers to a good number of children and respect men for being men, want true gentlemen, and when women need, recognize and appreciate gentlemen, they will be there.

[aze24]

BUMP :wave: :taunt: