Bakit hindi matanggap ng taga-UP na talo sila ng ATENEO sa LAW.....

[panicroom]

paulit-ulit na lang ipinagmamayabang ng taga-UP na sa kanila daw nag-aaral ang best and brightest law students.

ang pumupunta sa ibang schools ay hindi nakapasa sa UPLAE or UP rejects daw.


pero sa kabila nito, kahit anong sabihin nila masusukat pa rin ang pagiging magaling sa isang unibersidad sa performance ng BAR EXAMS.

for 13 consecutive years, number 1 overall passing percentage ang ATENEO DE MANILA UNIVERSITY sa Bar Exam Results.

and for the past few years, dominated ng Ateneans ang top ten.


Bakit hindi matanggap ng taga-UP na talo sila ng ATENEO sa LAW.....


yung reasons na pinapairal ng taga-UP ay ang sumusunod.

1. meron daw leakage na nakukuha ang Ateneo, so every year pala merong leakage or desperado lang sila.


2. sa Ateneo, sa Bar Exam daw ang kanilang concentration, samantala ang training ng UP ay pagiging magaling na Lawyer.....

what a stupid excuse.... anong silbi ng curriculum ng Ateneo kung ganun pala ang training nila.....

hindi ako naniniwala dahil maraming Ateneo lawyers na magagaling, at meron ding UP lawyers na palpak naman.

3. the best pa rin daw ang UP dahil sa kanila pumupunta ang magagaling na aspiring law students....



hindi ako ATENISTA, pero sa akin the BEST ang ATENEO sa LAW, ayaw tanggapaing ng UP..... sourgraper lang talaga dahil hindi nila kayang tanggapin.

[kahumbu]

Aah, ehh, ilan taon ka na? 15 years old?

[panicroom]

Originally posted by kahumbu
Aah, ehh, ilan taon ka na? 15 years old?

mali guess mo. kulang ka ng isang taon :D

[panicroom]

Originally posted by Imperatris_01
at bakit naman dapat tanggapin ang hindi totoo?
kahit kelan magalng talaga ang UP sa law at La Salle sa business and engineering courses at ua&P sa sa management, ust sa med at archi.

ang Ateneo ang parating runner-up! saan mang field. at yun ang hindi nila matanggap, kaya andito lahat ng mga bashers sa Pex dahil inotusan sila ng mga jesuits.


for me.

Ateneo number 1 sa LAW..... 13 years and consistent pa. grabe talaga.

UP number 1 sa Engineering, Medicine, Accountancy at lahat na yata na merong board courses.

La Salle, hindi kayang talunin ang UP. mga nag-iilusyon.

feeling best daw ohhh...

[panicroom]

sana matauhan ka sa sinasabi mo

Originally posted by Imperatris_01
[B]facts lang please.


PAASCU Accreditaion.

LEVEL FOUR - DE LA SALLE University
LEVEL THREE, Tatlo, SA, tres - Ateneo Level three University

Up is gov't accredited. Ua&p is level three too.

mahiya ka naman, meron bang accreditation sa gov't.

if i remember right sinabi ng CHED chair na dapat daw sumali ng accrediation ang UP w/c mean na kahit minsan hindi pa naaccredit ang UP dahil nga state univ. sya.

at kelan pa naging member ang ua and p sa paascu...

mali-mali ka naman




Asiaweek Philippines Best U.

1. UP
2. DLSU
3.ateneo
4. UST



ang walng katapusan na asiaweek.

hello, 2000 pa yun at .03 percent lang ang lamang.

UP nga ang number dito sa pilipinas, ano ba ang pumasok sa kukute mo. followed by ateneo, la salle then ust.



UAAP most No of overall champioships

1. UP
2. DLSU
3. UST
4. UE
5. FEU
6. Adamson
7. ateneo - konti lang lamang sa NU.
8. NU



ano 'to.... hahaha

at DLSU number 2 sa most number, hello. anong taon sumali ang DLSU sa UAAP, nung late 80's lang po.

mahiya ka naman.

at kasali pala 'to sa basehan ng magaling na univ.




Most #'s of Palanca awardees.

1. UP
2. UST
2. DLSU
4. Silliman
5. ateneo



i see.



Professional Regulatory Commisions Top performing schools.

1. UP
2. UST <-- ok i admit
3. DLSU
4. USC
5. SLU



sigurado ka ba.

from PRC.

there are only 4 univ na consistent sa high passing percentage with 10 or more board courses, dapat malaman mo 'to.

UP-diliman
UST
Xavier Univ.
Silliman Univ.



Top Law Schools. (based on Manila bulletin, supreme court, media, popular choice)

1. UP
-
-
-
-
-
--
-
-
-
2. ateneo
-
-
--
-
-3. UST/BEDA



credible nga, bro. gonzales naman ang pres. ng mb na mula sa dlsu.

from supreme courts.

to 5 law schools based on bar passing percentage for the past few years.

1. Ateneo de Manila Univ.
2. UP
3. San Beda
4. Ateneo de Davao
5. UST

[kahumbu]

Akala ko walang papatol. Meron rin pala isang teenager na gusto makipag-discuss. :lol:

[LongBow]

Originally posted by panicroom


to 5 law schools based on bar passing percentage for the past few years.

1. Ateneo de Manila Univ.
2. UP
3. San Beda
4. Ateneo de Davao
5. UST

Sorry. No. 3 ang UP. SBC is number two in terms of percentages.

[tigra_fire]

Originally posted by Imperatris_01
facts lang please.


PAASCU Accreditaion.

LEVEL FOUR - DE LA SALLE University
LEVEL THREE, Tatlo, SA, tres - Ateneo Level three University

Up is gov't accredited. Ua&p is level three too.

Asiaweek Philippines Best U.

1. UP
2. DLSU
3.ateneo
4. UST


UAAP most No of overall champioships

1. UP
2. DLSU
3. UST
4. UE
5. FEU
6. Adamson
7. ateneo - konti lang lamang sa NU.
8. NU

Most #'s of Palanca awardees.

1. UP
2. UST
2. DLSU
4. Silliman
5. ateneo

Professional Regulatory Commisions Top performing schools.

1. UP
2. UST <-- ok i admit
3. DLSU
4. USC
5. SLU

Top Law Schools. (based on Manila bulletin, supreme court, media, popular choice)

1. UP
-
-
-
-
-
--
-
-
-
2. ateneo
-
-
--
-
-3. UST/BEDA

more to come...

um correction regarding the no.1 school in terms of overall championships in the UAAP....it is UST which is no.1 with 31 overall championships, then FEU with 18 and i think UP is third...just trying to correct the wrong info

[panicroom]

Originally posted by LongBow
Sorry. No. 3 ang UP. SBC is number two in terms of percentages.

oo nga pala. sorry hindi ko naedit.

actually, san beda ang nasa isip ko talaga. nagkamali lang talaga, ito kasing UP, hindi matanggap.

[Aquinatis]

Grabe na ito!! :D

Hindi naman importante kung mas magaling ba ang UP sa Ateneo or vice versa.

Ang importante eh dapat yun mga graduates ng MAGAGANDANG LAW SCHOOLS DAW ay makatulong sa bansa nating bihira lumulutang ang batas at hustisya.

Naalala ko lang yun sabi ni SUX2BU>> BULOK na ang LAW Studies sa Pilipinas kasi napaka corrupt at napakadumi din naman ng Justice system natin. Hindi naman nagbabago sa mga dumaang panahon. What's the point of studying Law in the first place kung ganun diba?

Just speaking out loud. peace.

[Camaraderie]

Originally posted by Aquinatis
Grabe na ito!! :D

Hindi naman importante kung mas magaling ba ang UP sa Ateneo or vice versa.

Ang importante eh dapat yun mga graduates ng MAGAGANDANG LAW SCHOOLS DAW ay makatulong sa bansa nating bihira lumulutang ang batas at hustisya.

Naalala ko lang yun sabi ni SUX2BU>> BULOK na ang LAW Studies sa Pilipinas kasi napaka corrupt at napakadumi din naman ng Justice system natin. Hindi naman nagbabago sa mga dumaang panahon. What's the point of studying Law in the first place kung ganun diba?

Just speaking out loud. peace.


I do agree with your statement. It won't really matter which's better among them. What really matters is that all passers would be able to help Filipinos, whether it is for free or not. What's the sense of making an argument about it? It's already done, We've seen enough, all you gotta do is wait and see what they've really got for all of us.

[im_atheneo]

O mga thomasians, talk about your law program here..

eventhough the thread title clearly depicts that you shouldn't be doing that here.

di ako nangaaway, naaasar lang.

Blue *owl* ---> the King!

[muchomuchacho]

Originally posted by NorthernFACE
sadali lang mga chong. pakiliwanag kung sa anong number 1 ang issue dito.

kung number 1 sa BAR, syempre Ateneo lamang. dyan lang naman pinakamagaling ang ateneo eh. pero, hindi lang ito ang ang criteria sa pag rank ng pinakamagaling na law school. kasama sa criteria dapat ang mga FF: teaching quality, research quality, student selectivity, faculty line-ups, reputation, facilities, library spending among others.

paano ma naman alam kung lamang talaga ang isang law school sa faculty, selectivity ek ek kung hindi sa performance ng mga magaaral nila sa bar exam? hwag mo nang lokohin ang sarili mo.:lol:

[MissDaisy]

Let's top being bitter over our failures and just be gracious and congratulate others for their achievements. The more we sourgrape, the more obvious it shows that we are indeed sore losers.

Peace.

[muchomuchacho]

Originally posted by NorthernFACE
ikaw ata ang loko-loko.:D

unang-una, hindi mo ako kilala at hindi ko rin kilala ang mga taong pinagbangit mo.

pangalawa, hindi rin malalaman through BAR results kung magaling ang research quality, teaching quality, student quality, etc ng isang school. nalalaman ba dun? :rolleyes: tingin ko hindi. bakit?

1. may dayaan sa BAR. rampant ito at hindi maideny kasi maraming testimonies na meron talaga. (Atenista ang numiro uno sa dayaan, sabi sa balita.)

2. subjective ang exam. ang result dependent sa kagustohan ng nag check. kung gusto nya ang writing style mo, mataas ang marka mo, pati sulat mo, kung gusto nya, makakadagdag sa score mo. kung magaling ang reasoning mo pero di nya trip sulat mo, malamang lagpak ka pa.

3. kung ang curricula ng school mo geared towards passing the BAR, lamang na school nyo.



sa Student Selectivity, klaro na ang mga tira-tira ng UP LAE ang mga nagsisiksikan sa Ateneo at San Beda. Bibihira yung pumasa sa UP at pinili nag enroll sa Ateneo. Meron ka bang personal na kilala na may ganyang case?

isa pa, academic prestige. napakalayo ng Ateneo sa UP (although wala akong measure dito). kilala ang UP na breeding ground sa mga mahuhusay na lawyers. Ang Ateneo, kilala lang na tambakan ng hindi pumasa sa UP.

hindi ko na isa-isahin pa kasi baka bukas ka pa matapos magbasa sa mga rason ko.

hahahahaha! halatang nagiilisyon na itong si NorthernFACE at lahat ng alternick niya.:lol: sana matanggap mo ang katotohanan na

1. dayaan - ito ang laging pangangatuwiran ng mga talunan. wala nalang masabi kaya humuhirit nalang ng dayaan. eh kung talagang naniniwala silang may pandaraya, bakit hindi sila mag demanda? parang hindi sila abogado.

2. subjective ang exam - subjective talaga ang buhay abogado. kung di ka kumportable sa pagiging subjective ay malamang hindi bagay sa yo ang hanapbuhay na ito.

3. geared ang curricula towards passing the bar - ang bar ay paglilitis sa natutunan mo sa pag aaral ng batas. anong kwenta ang isang curricula na hindi geared towards passing the bar?

4. student selectivity - hindi mo kayang patunayan ito. sa bagay, kung yung law school mo ay mahilig tumanggi ng matalino at masipag mag aral eh di alam na natin kung bakit ganyan ang performance ng mga estudyante ninyo.

5. acedemic prestige - sige mag ilusyon ka pa

kaya gaya ng sinabi ni MissDaisy, stop being bitter and be gracious. magpalamig ka muna ng ulo sa ibang alternick.

[clawed_out]

goodness :D

ang lalandi na talaga ng mga teens ngayon.

not to mention na kulang pala them sa pagbabasa ng books.

:P

[Maroonest]

Originally posted by NorthernFACE

maski atenista po ako, ayoko po magpaka-plastik. mas magaling po ang UP sa Ateneo at ito po ang hindi na magbabago kasi ang mga magagaling na studyante ang mga nagsisipuntahan sa UP, samantalang ang mga rejects, andito po nagsisiksikan sa ateneo. masmagagaling din po ang mga profs dun sa UP, hindi hamak. kaya let's put an end of this bull$hit!

Please stop pretending to be an Atenean and stop this bashing. Your claims are false. I am from UP and, to be honest, I am one of the students who did not get accepted in Ateneo but got accepted in UP. There are many people just like me. I must admit that I have no regrets being in UP but, honestly, Ateneo was my first choice. Both Ateneo and UP are topnotch universities and most Ateneans and Iskos/Iskas get along fine. Please stop creating this war between Ateneo and UP. Peace.

[Royal_Highness]

Panapanahon lang 'yan. Sometimes you're on top, sometimes you're not. Let's just accept the fact that the world is round. We cannot be the best 100% of the time.

Congrats to Ateneo for their outstanding performance this year! Congrats to all who passed the Bar regardless of school affiliation! Peace and goodwill to all!!!

[panicroom]

Originally posted by Royal_Highness
Panapanahon lang 'yan. Sometimes you're on top, sometimes you're not. Let's just accept the fact that the world is round. We cannot be the best 100% of the time.

Congrats to Ateneo for their outstanding performance this year! Congrats to all who passed the Bar regardless of school affiliation! Peace and goodwill to all!!!

hindi lang for this year, for the 13 consecutive years yan.

basta, alam kong sourgraper talaga ang mga UP kapag natalo sila.

hmm.. hindi ako maniniwala na merong dayaan sa BAR, kung meron nga dapat nailantad na rin. katulad sa nangyari sa Mercantile Exam.


guni-guni lang yun ng mga sourgrapers.


if merong dayaan, for sure some UP bar examinees were guilty rin noh. ... hindi naman sila santo at ganun kahonest para hindi makakuha ng leakage... kunwari pa.


but for now, walang basehan.

[jj9527]

Yung mga Atenean na nag top sa Ateneo took their pre-law sa UP...yun lang

[jj9527]

Many of the so-called Ateneo topnotchers are really UP graduates who flunked the UP Law Exams. Examples are this year's No 1 and 2.

In the long run, topping the bar exams will not make you a great lawyer. it gives you a headstart but if you look into thr records, many bar topnotchers fizzle out years after.

It is more important to simply pass the bar and be a good lawyer serving the people.

These Ateneo lawyers are out to make money. Maganda lang pakinggan ang twang nila. Mabango lang sila kasi laging nakakotse. Wala silang pimples kasi aircon lagi at masarap ang kinakain. Hindi sila connected sa totoong mundo. Many ateneo people dont do anything to uplift the plight of the masses kaya marami pa rin ang naghihirap sa bayan natin

[jj9527]

And to the threadstarter, ur name speaks much about ur personality and intentions, why would a sane mind start a thread that would lead to school wars? In the first place how can u verify your claim that UP cant accept that Ateneo topped this year's bar exam?

Plain stupidity.

[Eugene Hikaru]

Originally posted by Aquinatis
Grabe na ito!! :D

Hindi naman importante kung mas magaling ba ang UP sa Ateneo or vice versa.

Ang importante eh dapat yun mga graduates ng MAGAGANDANG LAW SCHOOLS DAW ay makatulong sa bansa nating bihira lumulutang ang batas at hustisya.

Naalala ko lang yun sabi ni SUX2BU>> BULOK na ang LAW Studies sa Pilipinas kasi napaka corrupt at napakadumi din naman ng Justice system natin. Hindi naman nagbabago sa mga dumaang panahon. What's the point of studying Law in the first place kung ganun diba?

Just speaking out loud. peace.

Although this is a good statement and I agree with it, can you really blame practitioning lawyers? I mean, this is where you are taught to make something right, no matter how wrong it is...

Just want to hear from practitioners, because quite frankly, my first impression with the job is one bordering on the thin line of immorality....:confused:

[panicroom]

Originally posted by jj9527
Many of the so-called Ateneo topnotchers are really UP graduates who flunked the UP Law Exams. Examples are this year's No 1 and 2.



if my memory served me right. The 2001 BAR topnocher from UP was an atenean.

And to the threadstarter, ur name speaks much about ur personality and intentions, why would a sane mind start a thread that would lead to school wars? In the first place how can u verify your claim that UP cant accept that Ateneo topped this year's bar exam?

Plain stupidity

if you're from UP, then you're one of them na hindi matanggap.

as in nagreason-out ka pa , UPLAE flunkers for this year topnotchers.

bakit.... ano naman ang palagay mo sa UPLAE.... the best exam in the land.

from your reasoning pa lang, bitterness na agad ang lumalabas.


and i read sa peyups, daming sourgrapers dun...... meron daw leakage, training programs at kung anu-anong dahilan pa.

hindi talaga matanggap.

[jj9527]

If the 2001 bar topnotcher from UP is from Ateneo nga then that only shows that UP College of Law is still the popular choice. In the first place why would he/she choose to study in UP if he/she is already in Ateneo? And in the case of this year's no.1 and 2 they so much wanted to study in UP but UPLAE denied them thats why they settled for Ateneo which they believe would offer them the kind of education not far from UP's.

There are just some people who finds joy in fabricating or exaggerating stories, we cant generalize alone on the basis that some posters in peyups.com said sumthing like this and that ....(we cant even verify if those posters were from UP). I just find it so unfair for UP to be accused of something that they dont deserve. Its so funny that i'm indulging myself in this kind of mediocrity but i felt that to defend UP from malicious claims is a responsibility that every iskolar ng bayan should stand up for.

Concluding and generalizing that UP is sourgraping over Ateneo's triumph in the recent bar exam is stupidity at its highest level.

I just wish that this non-sense thread will rest in peace.

[Attila]

Originally posted by jj9527
And in the case of this year's no.1 and 2 they so much wanted to study in UP but UPLAE denied them thats why they settled for Ateneo which they believe would offer them the kind of education not far from UP's.


Can you please provide some proof that the Atenean topnotchers (#1 and #2 in the Bar) were not accepted in UP Law School? We would like to see tangible, verifiable and objective proof, and not hearsay, innuendo, personal opinion, etc.

[jj9527]

Attila you can ask the UP College of Law Admin Office or the Office of the College Secretary, they will entertain your inquiries provided that you will keep ur cool and stay polite. You can also ask for a photocopy of the list of UPLAE 2001 passers. Mind you,there are people who passed in the exam but denied in the interview. FYI.

[jj9527]

To be more particular, you can ask ATTY. Rowena Morales and ATTY. Patricia Daway (former UP College of Law College Secretary and head of the UP LAE admissions committee) who interviewed this year's no.1 and 2 in 2001. They very well know how the two fared in that year's LAE.

Atty. Harry Roque by the way is this year's LAE admissions committee head.

[Wizard]

Actually, I know the two topnotchers from Ateneo and according to them, they were both accepted in UP but they decided to study in Ateneo. I personally know many people just like them who passed in UP but prefer the Ateneo. It's also true that there are many who prefer UP over Ateneo, however, the opposite is also true. The fact is, there are many factors that affect people's decisions -- some of which are objective (eg cost, location), others subjective (eg personal taste, preference).

[panicroom]

Originally posted by jj9527
To be more particular, you can ask ATTY. Rowena Morales and ATTY. Patricia Daway (former UP College of Law College Secretary and head of the UP LAE admissions committee) who interviewed this year's no.1 and 2 in 2001. They very well know how the two fared in that year's LAE.

Atty. Harry Roque by the way is this year's LAE admissions committee head.


wow, I can't believe na ipinagkalat ni atty. Morales na bumagsak sa UPLAE or rather someone from UP na nagkalat na bumagsak sa UPLAE the 2 Ateneans topnotchers.

so, alam pala ng buong UP community na bumagsak sa UPLAE ang topnothchers
:D :D :D

ang ganda ng palusot.

well accdg. kay wizard ... hindi naman daw.

lumalabas ang ugali ng mga isko at iska.

[jj9527]

You wouldn't know unless you'll ask the UP College of Law College Secretary's Office. I mentioned the name of those people so that it will be easier to inquire for those who can't believe that this year's no1 and 2 didnt pass the 2001 UP LAE. They might have passed the exam but didnt do well in the interview.


As i was saying, we cannot generalize and conclude that the whole UP community is sourgraping over Ateneo's triumph in this year's bar exams.

I just hope that the moderators will find time to terminate this stupid thread that was created by someone who has anger or bitterness about UP's being the country's premier educational institution, and has nothing to do but to hopelessly fabricate and exaggerate stories that little he/she knows is to his/her own detriment. I strongly doubt that the threadstarter is from Ateneo.


UP, as always, has remained silent and calm whenever other schools take the no.1 spot whether in board and/ or bar exam for the simple reason that there is nothing to agonize about. UP already has proven its worth in providing the country with high standard of education which is second to none.


I believe that i have done my part to defend UP from malevolent and spiteful claims. This will be the last time that ill react to this thread.


Anyway, congrats to this year's new lawyers.

[atenean_blooded]

NorthernFACE, are you really an Atenean?

[panicroom]

jj9527.... i'm not an atenean.

puro speculation ka lang yata.

originally posted by jj9527
Many of the so-called Ateneo topnotchers are really UP graduates who flunked the UP Law Exams /b]. Examples are this year's No 1 and 2.

and then, dahil nasupalpal ni wizard


you said.
originally posted by jj9527

I mentioned the name of those people so that it will be easier to inquire for those who can't believe that this year's no1 and 2 didnt pass the 2001 UP LAE. They might have passed the [b]exam but didnt do well in the interview.




next time, galingan mo.

kinuha mo lang yang info from internet....

matalino ka pa naman, pero halatang hindi mo matanggap, lumalabas ang bittereness mo.


UP's being the country's premier educational institution

i know.... i know and i know.


UP, as always, has remained silent and calm whenever other schools take the no.1 spot whether in board and/ or bar exam for the simple reason that there is nothing to agonize about. UP already has proven its worth in providing the country with high standard of education which is second to none.

for me, UP is the number 1 university. no problem about that... and also my dream school dati.

about LAW lang naman ang sinasabi ko dito.

my point was, bakit kasi binibigyan na malisya ang achievement ng ATENEO LAW SCHOOL.

every year na lang na nandaya daw or nagkaroon ng leakage na nakuha ng Ateneo.

and the stupid excuse nila, na pangBAR daw ang curriculum ng Ateneo, yung UP, iba daw ang training.... tapos, tambakan ng UP rejects ang Ateneo.


for 13 yrs na po napatunayan ng ATENEO... ganun pa rin ang paninira nila.


at ikaw naman jj9527, paano mo nalaman na bagsak yung topnotchers, nanggaling pa naman yan sa UP for their undergrads.

[Thoma§]

originally posted by imperatris_01
UAAP most No of overall champioships

1. UP
2. DLSU
3. UST
4. UE
5. FEU
6. Adamson
7. ateneo - konti lang lamang sa NU.
8. NU
pa-off-topic lang.

Excuse me? UST has 30 something over-all championship titles in the UAAP. Please be objective.

There are some fields UP isn't the best and you have to admit that. UP also needs other schools to grow.

Please don't bash me, i know i'm right this time.

[Thoma§]

PAASCU Accreditaion.

LEVEL FOUR - DE LA SALLE University
LEVEL THREE, Tatlo, SA, tres - Ateneo Level three University

Up is gov't accredited. Ua&p is level three too.
UST is with PACUCOA. Level four ang UST sa PACUCOA.

[Aquinatis]

I think this thread should be closed. awayan nalang ang nangyayari eh.

Huwag nating hilain ang mga kapwa natin pababa. magtulungan tayo para naman umasenso tayong lahat...

[Thoma§]

wala lang. :D

[Fortune]

ADMU #1 sa BAR
thanks to Honey Pie
yung may balbas...

[Fortune]

o bigote ba yun
basta kilalang kilala ni ma'am yun...

[juantwothree123]

Ateneo Law School is the country's most admired, envied, envied, envied and envied law school in the country.

I don't think there are many UPLAE rejects in the Ateneo. yung mga nasa Ateneo Law, first choice nila ang ateneo.
UPLAE rejects usually go to San Beda, Arellano or UST, BCF if the applicant is from the north and Ateneo de Naga if from the south luzon.

UPLAE is overrated. sa totoo lang. :)

[mac_bolan00]

that coming from a non-lawyer. ;)

[kundera_tan]

hello

[lakitabadaga]

on topic: tanggap naman nila a.

[Introvert_S]

how very nice of the threadstarter. I wonder why some people, especially those neither from UP nor from ateneo, get a kick out of making an AMA-STI-type of rivalry between UP Law and Ateneo Law. Anyway, care to ask the UP College of Law faculty about their opinion regarding the results instead of quoting posts? (not to discount the fact that some do have an element of truth. Early bar training does help a lot, obviously)

It may not matter that much since I'm not from Malcolm, but tanggap ko naman ang results and I'm sure a lot from UP also do. You can always blow things out of prop, but UP Law still remains as an Institution.

My salute to the new lawyers!!!

[mac_bolan00]

you want an explanation? the threadstarter, though born a male, is frustrated that he can't make it big when people say he looks exactly like jodie foster.

[jc_valdepenas]

Hello Everyone! San Beda College of Law had the highest passing percentage in last year's bar exam with 91.04% and only followed by Ateneo and UP!

Animo San Beda!San Beda College of Law

[LongBow]

that's great news!
teka, sc member ka ba sa beda batch 2002?

[lakitabadaga]

i suggest we create a website glorifying san beda's exploits. sayang naman. minsan lang e. and this message board is simply not enough.

maglagay rin ng link sa isa pang site featuring ust's topping the bar last year, their third such feat in centuries.

let us name the site hardsell.com

thank you.

[jc_valdepenas]

Originally posted by LongBow
__________________________

that's great news!
teka, sc member ka ba sa beda batch 2002?

__________________________

Yep. I was SC Officer year 2002. How did you come to know me?

[LongBow]

Originally posted by lakitabadaga
i suggest we create a website glorifying san beda's exploits. sayang naman. minsan lang e. and this message board is simply not enough.

maglagay rin ng link sa isa pang site featuring ust's topping the bar last year, their third such feat in centuries.

let us name the site hardsell.com

thank you.

i agree!! :rotfl:

to return the favor, i'll put up a site for you, i'll name it
ignorante.com:D

[LongBow]

Originally posted by jc_valdepenas
Originally posted by LongBow
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that's great news!
teka, sc member ka ba sa beda batch 2002?

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Yep. I was SC Officer year 2002. How did you come to know me?

i'm from the same batch.

[im_atheneo]

is lakitabadaga bigfatrat?

happy days are in! welcome back.

Blue *owl* ---> the King!

[LongBow]

welcome back!!

[paralusi]

Originally posted by juantwothree123
UPLAE rejects usually go to San Beda, Arellano or UST, BCF if the applicant is from the north and Ateneo de Naga if from the south luzon.

unfortunately, ateneo de naga does not have a law school, and has no plans of starting one anytime soon.

on-topic: let us give credit where credit is due. some people here like to equate performance in the professional exams as indicative of their school's excellence in that particular field. it is amusing how this "benchmark" is conveniently thrown out the window when it does not suit their purposes.

but, i still agree with koko pimentel. a lawyer's performance in the bar exams is not a measure of how good a lawyer he will be.

[leolop]

i'm an incoming soph in ateneo and i personally think that law students from different schools have a greater sense of oneness rather than animosity. at least, this is what i gather when i meet other law students.

it comes from the knowledge that all of us are going through the common experience of law school. Whichever school you go to, you'll get personal knowledge of what it is to be in hell.

school pride is ok, but school bashing is a sign of insecurity and immaturity.

i salute the bedans for the highest passing average.

i salute ateneo for having the second highest passing average being the topnotcher.

perhaps up and ust didn't do as well this year, but they are still premier institutions.

my highest admiration goes to the bottom of the list bar passers who did not come from any of these schools. those who have only 1 torn and moldy set of scra and philrep, the students don't have pirated copies of lexlib, and have never used a projector to make a powerpoint presentation, and still made it in spite of or perhaps because of these challenges.

[lakitabadaga]

Originally posted by LongBow
i agree!! :rotfl:

to return the favor, i'll put up a site for you, i'll name it
ignorante.com:D

hahahaha!

how is your affair with the thomasian male? hahahaha!

[LongBow]

Originally posted by lakitabadaga
hahahaha!

how is your affair with the thomasian male? hahahaha!

affair

:rotfl:

[LongBow]

Originally posted by paralusi
unfortunately, ateneo de naga does not have a law school, and has no plans of starting one anytime soon.

on-topic: let us give credit where credit is due. some people here like to equate performance in the professional exams as indicative of their school's excellence in that particular field. it is amusing how this "benchmark" is conveniently thrown out the window when it does not suit their purposes.

but, i still agree with koko pimentel. a lawyer's performance in the bar exams is not a measure of how good a lawyer he will be.

very well said!!
nice handle/ nick bye the way..hehe.
bicolano man ini..hehe..

[kundera_tan]

got this from peyups.com
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hello. malcolm resident here. posting something that i got in the mail -- some insights of prof. marvic leonen on up law's performance in the 2003 bar. it's a bit long, but it's an interesting read. his essay attempts to demystify the bar exams, and dismisses the results of the recent bar as nothing more than a loss of bragging rights for up law alumni/students. read on...

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(I wrote this for the LRCKSK listserve)


Thank you for your emails updating me on the results of the recent bar exams.

I did feel a bit of discomfort as I discovered that the UP College of Law was only able to garner one of the top ten slots in the most difficult examinations within our civil service system. Much of my discomfort seems to have been due to the reality that I lost some bragging rights with colleagues--both in the academe and in the
practicing components--in the profession. It would have been nice to have had more of our recent graduates make it to the top.

But, that should be the extent of what we can conclude from the results-that it was not that nice. Therefore, we should act accordingly. The most extreme solution that I can propose for UP alumni given this analysis is simply to postpone meeting with faculty and lawyers from the other law schools-maybe for a least two or three weeks. Should meetings be truly necessary then we can
always feign temporary illiteracy.

There are more important questions to ask. The least of which is: how many of our graduates passed? The bar exams provide a gateway to the profession. In that way, it could be seen as the minimum required by those in the leadership (namely the Supreme Court en banc) to be admitted in the legal profession. Viewed in this way, we get a better sense of what the exams were really designed for. It was not made to measure the ability of law schools to teach and encourage their students to think. It is certainly not a measure of
who would be the better lawyers, the more principled, the most noble. In fact, it will fail terribly to measure which of the thousands of applicants are better persons.

Most importantly, the bar exam does not provide a measure of the ability of students to want to think-to be critical of the way we discover the content as well as reproduce our legal system. This is a goal that, for fantastic reasons that would engage me in a longer
letter, is not at present a serious and significant governmental concern.

The ranking of those who passed the exam therefore is irrelevant-nothing more than an annual curiosity that provides bragging rights to the law school alumni. And because of this, it can even be seen as insidious.

Ranking reinforces a baseless social hierarchy between law schools and implicitly among law practitioners. The lawyers that I work with valiantly struggling with the rural communities tell me that it takes more than twice the effort to convince ordinary Filipinos that they are as good as a UP graduate. Conversely, a UP graduate that
fails to deliver, either in her/his ability to practice or in
her/his correspondence with ethical expectations of the public, tends to condemn the entire legal profession.

For a society supposedly aspiring to democratic principles, our attachments to rank and title seems anachronistic. We even construct our legal curriculum to capture this fetish for landing in the bar exam's top ten. Thus, in the fourth year of law school, law review subjects crowd out electives that encourage students to start to think more critically-more "out of the box". Thus, remedial law review crowds out examination of the study of transnational litigation's tendency to homogenize culture through law; political law review replaces courses that can interrogate how bilateral
investment treaties and the rule based trading system shape constitutional interpretation; civil law review displaces the opportunities for more senior students to examine how our family law implicates gender and ethnicity.

It is the rare lawyer--or one who finds the extra financial
resources to do postgraduate studies--that can have the ability to truly advise on issues beyond what the black letter law contains. The bar exams and our fetish for it may have reinforced our growing complacency with the way things are in our society. And this is always bad news for those who are in our society's margins.

I have lost bragging rights this year. Then again I was not a bar topnotcher; I was not elected as dean of the College of Law; I was not accepted for postgraduate studies at the Yale Law School; I was rejected by Harvard Law School. Imagine the braggadocio I have
lost. Going through these milestones in my life, I am now amazed why we have chosen these yardsticks not only to gauge the proficiency of our lawyers but also, and most importantly, to fail to appreciate and improve on the other aspects of our lives.

So, UP did not dominate the bar exams this year-big deal. Talk to me two weeks from now.

Marvic Leonen
Lawyer, UP graduate
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[AgnasKa]

hindi matanggap ng taga-up kasi ateneo lang ang nakatalo sa kanila eh, kumbaga sampal sa kanila 'yun, imagine niyo ateneo lang 'yun tapos natalo sila! tignan niyo last year tanggap ng mga taga-up kasi UST nakatalo sa kanila eh.

makes sense, 'di ba?

:)

[kundera_tan]

*turo sa taas*

not really.......

[Cyberspace_law]

ano ba passing rate ng UP at ateneo?

[Oscar01]

Originally posted by jj9527
Many of the so-called Ateneo topnotchers are really UP graduates who flunked the UP Law Exams. Examples are this year's No 1 and 2.
Just a random comment.

This year's #2, Harvey Dychiao, is a dear friend from way back in Xavier, and I think the above is rather ungentlemanly. :) It's funny, though, since an Ateneo or UP law student would probably know that the #2's sister is in UP law.

Don't flame me, I got my undergraduate degrees from the Ateneo. :D

[juan23_twothree]

Originally posted by lakitabadaga
on topic: tanggap naman nila a.

right. matagal ng tanggap ng UP na talong talo sila ng Ateneo in any field. :)
That's what i like about UPians, marunong tummanggap ng pagkatalo. ;)

[Oscar01]

Ayus pala rito a. Pag may tunay na law student na nag-post, walang pumapalag. :D

[mac_bolan00]

they think you're a deep penetration agent of the ateneo law school.

[Oscar01]

Naaaaah, too obvious. E di isang post lang ni victory, buko na naman.

[atenean_blooded]

Tawagin ba natin si Victory? :)