[Merged] All About Tires

[Mac5]

I'm replacing my Honda Civic SiR tires this weekend. I need advise as to what is the best performing tire, nice soft ride in the market today. I was not satified with the original Goodyear tires. My tire size is 195/55/15". I look forward to your recommendation. Thanks!

[Mac5]

Please indicate price estimate as well.

[gilgamesh]

what tyres do you guys use? what size? do single rotation tyres really perform better than normal ones? i just switched to bridgestone potenza G3's measuring 195/55r15 and so far they've been great, although i cant tell if its because theyre still new or if because my old ones were crap.

[Mokkori]

Higher grade rubber will always perform slightly better than stock or old tires in dry tarmac... as for the rotational types, although they do help even in dry weather, the tread settings are much more effective and meant for wet weather driving... in wets, tread design tends to have more of an effect than the grade of the rubber.

The type of tires I use will depend on the car and the drive train, but honestly, I sometimes have more fun driving around in stock boots. It's easier to tell when stock tires are about to lose their grip and all while higher grade tires have nearly no warning... unless you're really good and well experienced though... :)

[slamm]

That's quite true, high perf rubber give less warning before they lose grip when compared to mid-range/stock rubber tires. Kinda like all-grip then suddenly no grip.

Uni-directional tires also offer better grip in the wet and dry. The Potenza G3's have gotten good reviews on the performance side... along with the Falken Azenis (CMIIW), and Firestone.

As for me, i currently use Pirelli Cinturato P3000's on my pick-up (225/70R15). Since they are highway biased (HT) truck tires and is significantly wider than my old stockers (Goodyear Wrangler ATs), they perform much better on the paved roads in terms of grip and road feel. It could be much better if i was running on gas shocks IMO... I run them on 34psi of air on all 4's. However, i did notice that it tends to hydroplane more than my old tires. I also miss the more sure-footed grip of AT tires when i go to the provinces and drive on dirt roads (sorry OTeps, dehins 4x4 kasi kaya hanggang dirt road nalang ako :P). I'll be switching back to AT tires the next time around.

On our sedans, we use Dunlop LM 702's since they offer the best value for money in terms of longevity (a set of old 701's it lasted more than 55K on our B14 Sentra), wet performance, and comfort. They're not high performace tires though but it does the job.

As for my track addict friends, they use Michelin MXFs, Bridgestone Potenza SO-3s, and Advan Neovas (usually 195/55R15's)... They also end up spending a lot on tires (around a set or two per year with 3-6 track days)... If you take the racing lessons, you can burn through a set in one day.

[Red_Miata]

I'm using Bridgestone GR-50 185/60/R14 right now on my Miata. So far I'm happy with it, no problems whatsoever.

[pse907]

I sometimes have more fun driving around in stock boots. It's easier to tell when stock tires are about to lose their grip and all while higher grade tires have nearly no warning... unless you're really good and well experienced though...

true true with the stockers you can put them on the limit and hear some tire squeal. my cousin goes up to baguio on a 1.3XL corolla with stock tires and he takes the corners on the limit, he lets the tire squeal to judge the capacity of the stocks to grip.


since then he has changed to bridgestone re71s which were quite good, i think they were z rated kaya matindi ang grip, sobrang tindi malamang mag-tatraction roll yon pag sobra.

[Crusty_D_Clown]

I use to have Bridgestones Potenza GIII on my ride... front - 195/55/R15, rear - 205/55/R15. These tires are ok, then I switched to Goodyears Eagle F1. front - 195/55/R15, rear - 225/50R15. These tires are quiter, the grip is good to... specially with the wider contact patch at the rear... Made a huge difference in performance... ;)

[slamm]

When it comes to stock tires... avoid the Goodyear NCT 3's as much as possible. Bad wet weather traction, road noise, and thread wear....

[yorimoto]

:rolleyes:

i am not that familiar with tires, the last time i had my tires change was 6 months ago.

i bought hancoock ventus for about 1, 800 pesos each.it has this aqua thread feature....masyadong matakaw sa bato...

i have to bring it to a vulcanizing shop to have it clean....patatangal ko yung mga nakasingit na kung anu-ano. i just find it flat prone, i will never buy that kind of tire again.

anyway, ano ba yung series na tinatawag nila, mine is like 55 series, para san ba ito?

:rolleyes:

[terradyne]

Originally posted by Crusty_D_Clown
I use to have Bridgestones Potenza GIII on my ride... front - 195/55/R15, rear - 205/55/R15. These tires are ok, then I switched to Goodyears Eagle F1. front - 195/55/R15, rear - 225/50R15. These tires are quiter, the grip is good to... specially with the wider contact patch at the rear... Made a huge difference in performance... ;)

Di pako nakakakita ng 225/55/R15, San ka nakabili? lahat ng 225 na nacanvass ko kasi pang 17's. Btw, ano auto mo?

[Crusty_D_Clown]

Originally posted by terradyne
Di pako nakakakita ng 225/55/R15, San ka nakabili? lahat ng 225 na nacanvass ko kasi pang 17's. Btw, ano auto mo?

I had a very hard time looking for that particular tire size (225/50/R15)... Those are my stock rear tires for my MR2. GoodYear servitek has them although not all branches... ;)

[Crusty_D_Clown]

Originally posted by slamm
When it comes to stock tires... avoid the Goodyear NCT 3's as much as possible. Bad wet weather traction, road noise, and thread wear....

So true... My Corolla had the stock NCT 3s, these tires are noisy... and I think they're not that strong, one of the tires went oblong... But its a different story if you get the high-end tires of GoodYear...

[slamm]

Hehe, its also hard to find the 225/55R15. These are the stock size of the 15" rims of a E36 BMW 320i. Only Goodyear made that size locally.

On the sizes (i.e. 195/55R15), 195 refers to the thread width, "55" is an aspect ratio that connotes the sidewall height. This is relative to the width of the tires so a 205/55R15 tire will have a higher sidewall than a 195/55R15 tire.

[shun_sakurai]

Just to append to Slamm's explanation:

Aspect ratio is the number denoting the percentage of the sidewall's height relative to the tread width. So if you have a 195/55 R15 tire (taking his example), you'll know it's built for 15" wheels and it has 195mm tread width. The sidewall for this tire will be 55% of 195mm. :)

Aspect ratio will give some hint as to how thick the sidewall is, and correspondingly how smooth a tire's ride and how sharp a tire's handling will be. High aspect ratios (say 60-70) will give a better ride, while small aspect ratios (say 40-50) will benefit handling and steering directness.

Thinnest aspect ratio I've heard is around 30...found on supercar tires. I think this was on a Lamborghini Gallardo. :P

[bishop]

have you guys seen the Nike ACG tires? they look awesome.

they currently have a joint-project with hummer.

the new hummer concept truck is fitted with these Nikes.

[Mokkori]

Nike making tires? Gawd, what's next? :eek:

[Crusty_D_Clown]

Originally posted by Mokkori
Nike making tires? Gawd, what's next? :eek:

Adidas maybe? Hehe... :D

[Mokkori]

At least Adidas would be German yes? :D

[f0r5aK3n]

my choice of rubber - Trojans ribbed! :D

[shun_sakurai]

Michelin and Goodyear are actually considering making tires out of corn fiber. Those two manufacturers and Pirelli are also developing run-flat tire technology, where tires can keep rolling for a limited distance even with zero air pressure inside them. Michelin calls its run-flat tech "PAX System" while Pirelli calls it "X-Pressure." Both are trying to make run-flats available for everyday cars.

Currently, aside from availability the main problem with run-flats is that they tend to deliver a stiff ride, because of the stiffened tire sidewalls.

[slamm]

Geez, if Nike made tires... who'll endorse it? They'll probably be made in some sweat shop in Asia and be overpriced. :D

Also, when you buy tires, try to get those that are really distributed locally as they are more likely designed for our hot climate conditions.

[3cylinder]

Nike making tires? Gawd, what's next?

Nike making tires...Whoa...I wonder how much would a tire of nike cost?....

My tires are in front 145/70 R12 and in rear 155/80r12 cause my car is small and my tires and rims are quite hard to find...:D :D

[shun_sakurai]

My current tires are Bridgestone Premio 325s in the 175/65R14 82H size. Just to answer the first question. :)

[bishop]

i don't think the Nike tires are available yet. the only truck fitted with these ACG tires so far is the Hummer H3T concept truck.

i'll try to look for the pics and i'll post it as soon as i get 'em.

[Hikaru15]

Any feedback on Falken tyres for 17 inch rims? Seems like a good alternative for Potenzas. Its made in japan, anybody with experience of using it?

[shun_sakurai]

Judging from what I've heard from friends, there are those who like Falken's tires, and those who avoid it like the plague.

I heard their Azenis ST115 is a good "quiet" tire...okey din daw yung latest ZIEX series tires nila.

[dakila7]

Bridgestone tires adapts well to philippine roads... just my observation. :D

[malou_ang2]

*** about those china tires? the double happy brand and the gajah tunggal brand

[tadeus]

Gajah Tunggal(GT) is a Malaysian or Indonesian tire brand. Very nice thread(rubber) lifespan coz of its "tropicalized" rubber compound or it is designed for tropical coountries like Phil.

[slamm]

Gajah seems OK... the brand to avoid are the Korean ones (i.e. standard tires on the Starex, etc) as they dont work well on our roads (i've already seen several blowouts).

[yorimoto]

Originally posted by slamm
Gajah seems OK... the brand to avoid are the Korean ones (i.e. standard tires on the Starex, etc) as they dont work well on our roads (i've already seen several blowouts).
Hope it won't happen to me, mine is a Hancook Ventus and its made in Korea. Better replace it once it wears out.

[malou_ang2]

check this out for guys who want to replace their OEM tires with bigger or wider tires or even change rims

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

hope this helps

[pink_sapphire]

a little OT: there is a move for tire manufacturers in the US to put expiration dates on tires. (i forgot who initiated this, an auto club perhaps?)

i think this makes sense kasi maski "new" yung tire na nabili mo, you wouldnt know for how long it's been in stock. lumulutong din ang rubber pag matagal na.

anyway, i think that this is a long shot. a new law may be needed to effect this... and in the philippines, baka no chances pa at all. just my 2 cents.

[Hikaru15]

I have Falken ZIEX tyres and I reckon its good value for those sporting 17 in rims. Its quite enough and traction is ok (of course the donuts are way better).

[Hikaru15]

Correction: quiet :-)

[yorimoto]

I always have this problem about my tires, the man from the vulcanizing shop told me that there is something wrong with the "pito" of my tires. What can you suggest so that I won't have to go to a vulcanizing shop every now and then? Is there any other types of "pito" like a more quality one?

[jason_10]

actually you could get the "pito" at any tire shop. there are also what they call "flash-valve" sets. they're aftermarket products. u can see them installed on high end aftermarket wheels such as volk racing and kosei. they're very expensive though.

[slamm]

Changing the "pito" even to just an ordinary one will do fine IMO. Maybe the one you have is just old already.

[`ryderchiq`]

I've already changed all four tires of my car... Plus the reserve so that makes it five... I have the GIII din... My previous tires were smaller compared to the common ones I see... But now, we've changed it to the standard size, my car's suffering when there are a lot of people inside and loads of stuff are inside... :D

By the way, my tires have already worn down and the fact that some weird objects made my tire flat (and cannot be vulcanized anymore...) convinced me to buy new ones... Hehehe... Imagine at two or three in the early morning, I'm driving alone at the c-5 (in Pasig, going to Libis...) and my tire gave up so I have to give my car a budge all the way down (forced it because I can't possibly stop at the flyover... No one's gonna help me anyway...)

Anyway, I have a question: Which is which?

Is it true that when the car has small tires... (meaning smaller in dimension than common or the standard sizes of cars...) it runs faster? or is it the other way around, that if the car has smaller tires, it runs slower than most?

Well, please enlighten me... I'm really confused... Different views have been told to me and I don't know now what to believe... :D Hehehe...

[yorimoto]

I am not really a guru in this kind of thing but I heard that the bigger the tire, the car runs faster. :)

[slamm]

The smaller the diameter/radius of your tires, the "faster" the speedo reading comes out... meaning your speedo will be indicating a faster speed then what you're actually running.

On a sidenote, most speedos are calibrated to run faster then your actual speed.

[Pao|o]

What tyres do you use on your ride?

[yorimoto]

size 15, 55 series hancoock ventus.

[chick-boy]

on my 93corolla 195/60 r14 :)

[slamm]

Pirelli P3000 Cinturato... 225/70R15 and Dunlop LM702's, 195-55R15.

[Crusty_D_Clown]

Goodyear Eagle F1s.
Front - 195/55/R15
Rear - 225/50/R15

[ghost_37]

I use 165/65R13

[ghost_37]

I use a yokohama tyre size 165/65R13. No problem with it.

[superstite]

I read somewhere here in The Pitstop that the tire's psi afffects fuel consumption. How about if you use an all season tire, does this have any impact on the fuel consumption?

[Mokkori]

The all-season tires shouldn't affect fuel consumption... although tire pressure would. A tire with low pressure is harder to put power to than a rightly inflated one, thus more power is needed to drive the car at regular speeds thus more fuel. PSI would affect fuel consumption, but unless you have a running flat, it shouldn't be that large a difference.

I'd sooner worry about damaging the tires sidewalls and overall lifespan when run with low pressure... :|

[SeminaristaKuno]

What brand and type gives the most bang per buck in terms of price, quality and lifespan? I'll be getting a pair of 185/70R13s soon.

[slamm]

Try looking at: Bridgestone, Dunlop, and Yokohoma for the daily driver tires. :) It depends on your budget... check also the threadwear ratings on the tire (ie 240, 260, 300)... the higher, the longer the wear range it has.

[16-Driver]

I used to have Goodyear Eagle P195/60R15s

I just bought Yokohama P195/60R15 HR rating! ...heheheh. better speed rating than my old ones!

I got it for 150 dollars for just two! Uninstalled! Sears charges too much for balance, valve stem, and installation... I think its 35 dollars! I can get it cheaper with just 16 dollars! hahahah!

[SeminaristaKuno]

Thanks slamm! Will check prices.

Price Smart (correct ba?) at Fort Bonifacio is selling Goodyear directional treads at around 1500 each for the R13s. Don't exactly recall the type but it's of the Trinuum variety. You get a 200 rebate per tire if you buy a set of four at once. Comes with free installation and balancing. Also comes with lifetime puncture repair and tire rotation. Didn't check the prices of Dunlop and Bridgestone. Maybe this weekend. Do you guys think this is a good deal?

[tadeus]

Originally posted by Mokkori
The all-season tires shouldn't affect fuel consumption... although tire pressure would. A tire with low pressure is harder to put power to than a rightly inflated one, thus more power is needed to drive the car at regular speeds thus more fuel. PSI would affect fuel consumption, but unless you have a running flat, it shouldn't be that large a difference.

I'd sooner worry about damaging the tires sidewalls and overall lifespan when run with low pressure... :|

I just read that the safest or should I say the ideal tire pressure measurement is 30 psi. I dunno if it is applicable in 13R tires.

[yorimoto]

'Di ba there are certain pressures for each tires depending on their sizes???

Sa akin for example is a 15" tire, I have 28 on front and 29 on the rear. Tama lang ba yun?

Pagka sobrang tigas kasi ng gulong medyo matagtag na ang auto, 'di ba?

[slamm]

One tire to avoid is the Goodyear Eagle NCT3's... poor threadwear, roadnoise, and the darn thing hydroplanes.

Its a fair deal already for the Price Smart thang given the extras that come (punture repair, rebate) but you can still find cheaper outside. I recently got 185/65R14 Goodyear Ducaro GA's for my mum's ride and it cost aroun 1.8K a pop including balancing and mounting. If you're at the Cubao area, try checking our DKC Tires (they have several branches but i go to the old small stall on the corner of the bldg with tire shops approaching ALi Mall on Tuazon Rd.)

What's your ride? If you have the budget, you can also consider upgrading to OEM 14" rims for a slightly bigger tire/rim package. :) For example, my aunts Sentra had 13" steel rims... I traded them in for reconditioned 14" OEM Sentra Super Saloon rims and new tires and cost me around 10K more or less... 5K for the rims and 6.8K for the tires back then Plus trade in of the old tires and steel rims. It really depends though as sometimes chambahan to find nice second hand OEM rims. :)

[SeminaristaKuno]

Thanks a lot! Marami na rin akong napapansin na mga tire shops dito sa may Pasay Rotonda and will ask about prices there. Malamang libre na rin installation sa kanila and baka may savings pa konti.

My ride is a stock 1995-96 Lancer GLXI automatic. Medyo newbie pa ako sa maintenance and repairs kasi this is our first car. I've been driving rentals around Manila for a few years already pero iba talaga kung sa yo na (actually nakapangalan sa wife ko pero ako lang ang may license hehe). My dad also taught me basic car checkup and maintenance since I was 10. Will think of upgrades when we're done with the balance payments by March 2006 :)

[tadeus]

Originally posted by slamm
One tire to avoid is the Goodyear Eagle NCT3's... poor threadwear, roadnoise, and the darn thing hydroplanes.


How about NCT5?

[slamm]

Sowee... no feedback on those as i havent tried them yet. They're the usual OEM tires i see on the new sedans nowadays though/ You can check out the threadwear on them as its usually written on the sidewalls. Most tires i see have around 240-300 ratings. The NCT 3's had 180. :(

Usually, mounting and balancing comes free when you buy tires. Dont forget to get an alignment afterwards to make sure that your suspension setting is OK and wont cause premature tire wear. Check also the tire pressures after as most tire shops i've seen (esp the small ones) dont have accurate gauges or the guy doing the install doesnt really check the pressure properly.

[SeminaristaKuno]

How much would an alignment be? Medyo nangangawit na ako sa kabig ng front wheels. Di kelangan Servitek. Any small shop with a computerized alignment system will do.

[yorimoto]

IMO, iba pa rin yung gawa ng Servitek. I had my car done in a small shop with a computerized alignment system, di masyadong naayos. Maybe sa gumagawa din yun. Try Wheelers along N. Roxas near Banaue. They're good! :)

[slamm]

For alignment, Wheelers is good nga. :) Or if you're down south, go to JP Wheels in PResidents Ave, BF... they're also good in suspension problem diagnosing based on my experience.

Both aformentioned shops use manual alignment rigs but i'm happy with them... and they charge less than computerized. If you go for computerized, go to the newer shops with new rigs or shops with updated rigs as old ones tend to get miscalibated.

[slamm]

double post. :P

[SeminaristaKuno]

Thanks slamm! Where's Wheelers? Yung nasa Quezon Ave?

[slamm]

Just a note. Wheelers Suspension Haus is not Wheels Incorporated. :)

Wheelers Suspension Haus is located on N. Roxas St. near Dencios Banawe as aformentioned. When it comes to labor and stuff, mura sila and they do OK work. I'm not fully satisfied on the suspension diagnosis as compared with JP Wheels though but i can live with it. :)

[dboy]

Try ninyo NITTO Tires. made in japan. excellent traction. very pricey nga lang.

[SeminaristaKuno]

Michelin just came out with a new product: the Energy XM1. Touted to be very environment friendly due to lower rolling resistance. Articles here:

http://www.philstar.com/philstar/Business200405124004.htm

http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/auto/auto_produit_energy.jsp

BTW, I've heard some people say that imported tires like Michelin and Bridgestone are cheaper than locally made Goodyears. Any truth to this?

[slamm]

Yep... there is truth to that. :) They may not be "imported" in a sense na grey market tires siya but they have a local distributor/importer and are not made locally (i.e. Bridgestone, Dunlop, Michelin). ITs Yok and Goodyear that has locally made tires.

[SeminaristaKuno]

No probs naman ang "imported" in terms of tropicalization and tire wear? Bale na ba ang savings in the long term? Baka kasi mas mura nga pero di rin pala ganun ka-tagal.

[shun_sakurai]

I just replaced my tires recently. I'm now shod with Bridgestone Turanza GR-80s (185/60 R14 82H) all around...and they are great daily-driver tires.

I got them at Freddies/Princess Tire Supply (two nearby shops but owned by one party), PhP1,850 per tire.

I found that my car's serious high-speed shaking above 120 km/h disappeared on my new rubber. It's a lot more composed on wet roads too...no more aquaplaning.

[Tool_46n2]

what tire brands are relatively cheap?? the malaysian-made GT tires (gajah tunggal) how much do they cost?

I might change upsize my rims soon, and am really low on budget, I would just need a new tires for the mean time..

[palin]

I have a 16 x 6.5 rims. Upto how wide a tire can I fit?

Its currently fitted with a 215. Can I put a 235 or even a 245 wide tire without sacrificing safety?

It will be easy for me to check aestetics once I'm at the shop, but safety?

[slamm]

Palin, whats the sidewall ratio of the tire (i.e. 215/65R16?)? For what vehicle?

Check out this site for the tire size compatiblities based on your stock tire size: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

On shopping for tires, check out also the threadwear rating... average rating is 240 to 300... below 200 and it has a poor threadwear rating. Even if on a budget, i'd still go for Dunlops, YOkohomas, or Bridgestone... prices are not that big a difference usually. Avoid the Korean tire brands as well...

[shun_sakurai]

Best bet for cheap tires would be Yokohama S306.

For daily driving around the city or highway, they will suffice. I've seen them go as low as PhP1,600 per tire in 185/60 R14 size (at Freddie's in Evangelista St. Makati), and they're made for 13" wheels as well.

[MMMickey]

Treadwear, not threadwear :) By the way, for those of you who do some spirited driving, a TW rating of 120 should be more than enough. Personally, I'd use 200+ TW rated tires for my daily-driven car. For those of you who do track days, it's still more practical and economical to run street tires for street use, and intermediates for racing.

[shun_sakurai]

I take back my advice.

DO NOT BUY YOKOHAMA S306s. They are cheap but quite dangerous as tires as they are slippery under braking, according to friends. They're Yokohama's equivalent to the equally bad Goodyear NCT3s.

[slamm]

But they're the lesser evil of the two (S306 vs. NCT 3) IMO... We're trying the Goodyear Ducaro GAs on our Corolla now and they seem to be OK so far. Got them less then a year ago though so more observation still needs to be done.

[SeminaristaKuno]

Was shopping around for tires. Although isang store lang ang napuntahan ko I'll be lurking around Evangelista this weekend to get a more comprehensive list.

Questions:

Bakit halos pareho lang ang presyo ng S306 sa Goodyear GTS(?) 3 ???

How much usually inaabot sa balance weights per wheel? Sabi ng dad ko around 500 per wheel daw pero Servitek fanatic kasi yun :p

[shun_sakurai]

Balance weights per wheel?

Sa Servitek malapit sa amin (Bicutan) it came down to around PhP48 all in all. I spent more money on alignment than tingga. The weights are usually cheap.

For a PhP628.00 wheel balancing and alignment job the cost of the weights was almost negligible. :)

Bakit halos pareho lang presyo ng S306 at GT3? I think they're both mass-market tires. Don't be misled by the GT3 moniker, it's simply a daily-driver tire I've seen on many an econobox sedan. :)

[slamm]

Baka ginto yung wheel weights ng dad mo? :D

I usually get balancing on for free when i buy new tires.

You may want to check out S&R Price as well. They have fair prices (not the cheapest but fair) and you get free balancing, and lifetime repair (vulcanizing) for the tire.

[SeminaristaKuno]

Depleted Uranium galing sa M1A1 Abrams hehehe :D

So I can buy tires from a shop in Evangelista, take the Tramo flyover and have them installed at Servitek Tramo? Interesting. Will keep you guys posted :)

[Tagedy]

Try nyo Yokohama AVS ES100 you won't regret it! :)

[shun_sakurai]

Maganda nga raw ang Yokohama ES100. A good all-around tire :)

The rubber doesn't come in 14" sizes though. Sa America meron...damn :(

[SeminaristaKuno]

I'm looking at the Ducaro GAs since Rapide is selling them at around 1700 each. I don't like a directional tire like the Ducaro GDI because I can't swap them between left and right ;)

[SeminaristaKuno]

Just got my pair of Turanza ER60s from Freddy's Evangelista Branch. Can't beat the price since it already included rotation, balancing, and weights. Service was pretty quick.

The Turanzas are quieter than my old GPS2s. They are also easier to steer. Will keep an eye on the treadwear.

[shun_sakurai]

Seminarista,
I have similar tires (4 pieces, 14" directional Turanza GR-80) and I got them from Freddie's sister shop, Princess Tire Supply (it's just diagonally across). Damage was PhP7,400---PhP1,850 a tire. Not bad at all. Freddie's/Princess can't be beat. :D

I agree, they're definitely easy to steer and are pretty quiet too.

Watch the treadwear though, I've heard Bridgestones seem to wear a little faster than other tires. I guess it depends on usage though. :)

[SeminaristaKuno]

The ER60s went for 1500 each (185/70R13). I originally asked at Princess but the cheapest tires were the Dunlops. After that I went to Freddie's and that's where I found the ER60s. I remembered that two stores on Evangelista had the same owner. I just wasn't sure which ones :)

I won't be doing any hard stops and squealing starts what with gas prices going throught the roof and a baby in the back ;) Should last me a few years.

[slamm]

Originally posted by SeminaristaKuno
I won't be doing any hard stops and squealing starts what with gas prices going throught the roof and a baby in the back ;) Should last me a few years.

Yup, that along with watching your alignment will keep your tires going for a good number of years. I was able to get 50,000km++ and almost 5 years out of a set of Dunlop LM701's before(195/55R15) with that kind of driving (no tire squealing or jackrabbit starts, and no hard deceleration since they were mounted on a weak 1400 engine with a slushbox :P).

[SeminaristaKuno]

What do you guys think of Rapide's Php600.00 4-wheel alignment promo? Too good to be true ba? Front wheel alignment at Zafra Motors is 220 per wheel. Medyo malayo kasi Wheeler's. I'd prefer somewhere in the Makati-Pasig-Mandaluyong area lang.

[travy]

Can u guys recommend a good tire for van? must be reasonably priced. tnx

[GreatBop]

michelin, pirelli, good year
they're almost all the same naman eh. Just stay clear from their really cheap line.

keep this in mind: the only contact between the road and your car is those 4 tyres.

that makes tyres as the most important part of the vehicle.

as seen in motorsports, tyres make alot of difference.

[NeptuneNext]

how about bridgestone?

i kinda prefer good years because it's made locally

[shun_sakurai]

GreatBop is right, all tire manufacturers are pretty much the same.

Meaning: Each tire manufacturer has its own good and crappy tires.

From others' experience avoid the following tires if possible:
- Yokohama S306
- Goodyear NCT3

[shun_sakurai]

Reasonably priced tires for a van?

I'd recommend Bridgestone Turanza GR-80s. PhP1850 for a 185/65 R14 size tire. Bought four of them earlier this year, spent around PhP7400. I'm pretty satisfied.

Keep note though that they're directional tires.

[summit012]

i just bought a goodyear tire for van. 185R/14. cost me 2700. i should have bought bridgestone instead.

[summit012]

Question: what is the difference bet 185R/14 and 195R/14? is it *** kapal or lapad? tnx

[shun_sakurai]

Let's say your tires have this embossed on their sidewall:

"185/65 R14 82H"

185 = thickness of the tire tread in millimeters.

65 = "aspect ratio." The thickness of the tire's sidewall expressed as a percentage of your tire tread. In this case the sidewall thickness is 65% of 185mm.

R = radial tire construction (pretty much the norm now)

14 = made to fit a 14" wheel

82 = load index, corresponding to the maximum load the tire can support for 10 minutes without deforming, given it's inflated properly. More expensive tires have a higher load index figure.

H = maximum speed index, corresponding to the maximum speed the tire can run for 10 minutes without deforming. H-rated tires can go up to 240 km/h IIRC. Better speed ratings are V, W and Y (and are more expensive).

Hope this helps.

[brock]

what's the recommended psi for a 93 civic lx with sir mags? 30 35 or 40?

[shun_sakurai]

30 psi is the general tire pressure for cars.

[slamm]

Air when it's cold if possible... If you've ran for a while, put around 32psi in the tires.

Just to add, avoid Uniroyals... We just bought a 2nd hand car and it had those 195/55R15 Uniroyal rain tires. Bad grip under hard braking (you can feel the tires losing traction in moderate-hard straight line brakes above 80kph... in dry conditions) whereas we don't experience any such feel with our Dunlop LM702's under the same conditions. The tires are also showing signs of cracking (makunat na yung rubber) and yet there's still aroun 50-60% left in the tire's life.

I also had Pirellis on my Frontier just a few months ago. After a year and a half of useage (approx 15,000km), on tire blew up for no apparent reason (i keep my tire pressure in check and i wasnt even loaded with anything). I changed all 4 tires to Bridgestone Duelers a/t and been quite hjappy with them.

[brock]

mukha kasing flat ng konti pag 30 psi. ginawa kong 35psi.

may brand pala na uniroyals. i've used semi pudpod na goodyear, yokohama, pirelli, & falken. di ko pansin masyado difference. 1 brand for all tires next time.

[shun_sakurai]

Pirellis aren't as good as they're hyped up to be, according to a rallye-crosser friend. He still bows down to the temple of Yokohama ADVAN and Bridgestone.

[brock]

I thought Pirellis are good. Yun nakakabit sa 10-sec car ni Paul Walker sa Fast and Furious. Na focus pa talaga sa isang scene. Sponsor siguro.

[shun_sakurai]

Some great news...

Yokohama's AVS ES100 line is now locally available for 14" rims :)

[D'Transporter]

Just want to share some info about "Unsprung Weight".

An important concept is "unsprung weight." This is weight that is not supported by the suspension of the car. This usually includes the the weight of the wheels and tires as well as a percentage of the weight of the suspension itself, including control arms, anti-roll bars, shocks, and struts. Reducing unsprung weight is the key to improving handling. The lower the unsprung weight, the less work the shocks and springs have to do to keep the tires in contact with the road over bumpy surfaces. An easy way to reduce unsprung weight and improve traction is to replace stock wheels and tires with special lightweight wheels.

I heard from other sources that if you could reduce "unsprung weight" by let say 100 pounds, the handling and performance of the car improves as if you have reduced the cars overall weight by 300 to 400 pounds. That's about 3 to 4 times of whatever weight you can reduce in "unsprung weight". If I can remember I think i read this information in one of the BMW forums that I visited.

[D'Transporter]

^ This sounds like it's off the topic but I know if someone upgrades to very light weight tires and rims that someone can easily reduce 5 to 15 pounds on each tire and rim set up depending on the size of the existing tires and type of rims.

[slamm]

I just bought a new set of tires last weekend along Timog Ave. Got the Toyo Proxes T1-S at P2,450.00 a pop then i traded in the crappy Uniroyals.

The dealer mentioned to me that come next year, tire prices will more or less go up significantly. :(

[yorimoto]

Originally posted by Tagedy
Try nyo Yokohama AVS ES100 you won't regret it! :)
Ask ko lang kung may idea kayo kung magkano 'to?

[brock]

What's the difference between Yokohama S306 and ES100? Puro S306 lagi nakikita ko sa tire shops hindi ES100. I need to change tires pa naman next month kahit 2 lang muna (15 inch).

[shun_sakurai]

S306 is Yokohama's old mass-market tire. Honestly, it's crap. A lot of my friends have discouraged me from buying this. The only advantage it has is that it wears down slowly and it's cheap. It's just as bad as Goodyear's infamous NCT3.

ES100 meanwhile is a semi-performance tire, part of Yokohama's AVS line...seems to be a tradeoff between ride comfort and good handling. Tread design looks pretty nice too.

ES100s should go for PhP2,800+ a tire (correct me if I'm wrong)...that's the only sad part :( They used to be a lot cheaper.

At the PhP3,500/tire range you could get arguably the best tires around...Yokohama's ADVAN Neova AD07s.

[brock]

thanks! will find that es100. kahit 2 lang muna.

[manabs]

Damn! I just bought a pair of S306s. Are they really that bad? Should I start worrying? I'm not really that brand-conscious when it comes to tires.

[shun_sakurai]

Ibayong ingat ka na lang when driving with S306s.

They will have the tendency to lose grip in the wet, according to more experienced friends, so always stay smooth while driving and avoid sudden braking as much as possible. This particular area (braking) is where S306s have come under fire.

Even with the drawbacks of the S306, another track-driving friend of mine repeatedly used these tires in Subic to good effect.

Kung daily driving ka lang naman and you're not the type to take to the track, your new tires should serve you well. Take care always. :)

[yorimoto]

Originally posted by shun_sakurai
S306 is Yokohama's old mass-market tire. Honestly, it's crap. A lot of my friends have discouraged me from buying this. The only advantage it has is that it wears down slowly and it's cheap. It's just as bad as Goodyear's infamous NCT3.

ES100 meanwhile is a semi-performance tire, part of Yokohama's AVS line...seems to be a tradeoff between ride comfort and good handling. Tread design looks pretty nice too.

ES100s should go for PhP2,800+ a tire (correct me if I'm wrong)...that's the only sad part :( They used to be a lot cheaper.

At the PhP3,500/tire range you could get arguably the best tires around...Yokohama's ADVAN Neova AD07s.

Ang mahal pala!

Anyway, thanks! :)

[shun_sakurai]

Yeah mahal nga...sad no?

I was interested in ES100s myself before. I settled for Turanzas na lang...di naman ako sasabak sa track days eh :)

Alternatively you could get Toyo Proxes T-1Ses. Slamm quoted a good price. They're rather old, but they're still pretty good...IF you got the moolah to spend. :)

[yorimoto]

How about those Hankook tires? Heard any comments?

[slamm]

Yup, the Toyos got good feedbacks from actual users and the price is good (the ones i quoted we're for 195/55R15) given they are performance biased tire...

The other tires i considered were the Bridgestone Potenza G3's, they go for 2.8K a pop at this time.

On the S306's, they are the "lesser evil" over the Goodyear NCT3's... i could still live with those tires on the daily drive.

On 14" tires, the Bridgestone Turanzas are quite good nga. :)

[shun_sakurai]

As a general rule I would avoid Korean made tires. Our Pregio's old Kumhos were prone to deflation. In fairness perhaps these were cheap old-tech tires.

I don't know much about the Hankooks though. They seem to be getting popular in the US. So does Kumho's Ecsta Supra performance tire line.

[yorimoto]

Nakabili na ako nung Yoko na AVS ES100. Natawaran ko ng P2,750 sa may Tomas Mapua St.dito sa Manila.

[shun_sakurai]

^ Whoa! Congrats man :) Ilan binili mo?

Tell us about how the tires feel all right? :D Inggit ako...hehehe :)

[yorimoto]

Hehe... 2 lang muna.

We had a quiet and comfortable trip. Talagang parang bi-nreak in ko yung mga gulong... Sulit! :D
And sabi nung dealer mabili talaga yung ES100, yun nga lang may kamahalan.

Sa January bili ako uli ng 2, pa-sponsor ko na sa tatay ko. :D

[shun_sakurai]

Magkano yung initial price? Lampas PhP3,000 ba?

May tawad pa pala yung tantsa kong PhP2,800... :)

[brock]

Originally posted by yorimoto
Hehe... 2 lang muna.

We had a quiet and comfortable trip. Talagang parang bi-nreak in ko yung mga gulong... Sulit! :D
And sabi nung dealer mabili talaga yung ES100, yun nga lang may kamahalan.

Sa January bili ako uli ng 2, pa-sponsor ko na sa tatay ko. :D

pag 2 lang muna binili mo san sya da best ilagay. sa harap o sa likod?

also post your observations. :D

[UranusUrges]

Originally posted by brock
pag 2 lang muna binili mo san sya da best ilagay. sa harap o sa likod?

also post your observations. :D

i have read this sometime before on goodyear's website and it says that new (pair) tyres should be placed at the rear. i dont fully understand this really - front tyres wear out faster right?

[slamm]

IMO, it's seems more logical to put the better tires at the front if your car is FWD due to the ff:
- traction will be more crucial on it if the car's FWD
- the front brakes takes more of the brunt then the rears
- there is a greater tendency that you can lose control of the car if you pop the fronts at high speed over the rears.

Maybe someone can shed light on Goodyear's reasoning. :)

[yorimoto]

2,800 ang unang bigay sa akin.

[rational]

Happy New Year all!

What do you think of Dunlop tires? PriceSmart has a nice deal on tires kaya lang only Dunlop is available in the size I need.

[FendeR_21]

im using Fulda Extremo 195/50 tires. 2,200 each.. great tire... :)

[slamm]

PriceSmart gives good prices for their tires... plus free balancing and lifetime puncture repair.

What Dunlop tire in particular are you looking at? What size?

So far, from my recent tire shopping spree (haaay gastos) it seems the Toyo T1-S's are giving the best value for money at this point given the reviews it got (despite it's beign relatively old)... this is with the 195/55R15 size. :)

[spindoctor]

Michelin has unveiled a prototype of a tire that doesn't go flat because it requires no air. With Tweel, Michelin is reinventing the wheel (and the tire) -- or so says the New York Times.

(I'm posting the entire article because nytimes.com requires registration.)

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Reinventing the Wheel (and the Tire, Too)
By NORMAN MAYERSOHN

GREENVILLE, S.C.

THE first automobile to use air-filled tires was a racecar built by André and Édouard Michelin in the early 1890's. More than a century later, the French company founded by the Michelin brothers is so identified with pneumatic tires that its mascot, Bibendum, is a man made of little else.

Now, after decades spent persuading the world to ride on air, the company has begun work on an innovation that could render the pneumatic tire obsolete. Engineers at Michelin's American technology center here envision a future in which vehicles would ride on what they call the Tweel, a combined tire and wheel that could never go flat because it contains no air.

Arriving at a conference room recently to explain the development project, a research engineer, Bart Thompson, used the Segway Human Transporter that he rode to the meeting to illustrate his points. Aboard this high-tech visual aid - one of those self-balancing electric scooters best remembered for the optimistic claim that it would reinvent personal transportation - Mr. Thompson whizzed down the hallway and out to the lobby, pirouetting among the benches and planters to demonstrate the flexibility of the Tweel.

To be sure, the Segway would be a very small market for Michelin, the world's leading tiremaker, but it is an apt demonstration vehicle for the Tweel. The first commercial use of the integrated tire and wheel assembly will be on the stair-climbing iBOT wheelchair, another product developed by Dean Kamen, the Segway's inventor; Michelin said it would announce another application at the Detroit auto show next week.

The tiremaker has high expectations for the Tweel project. The concept of a single-piece tire and wheel assembly is one the company expects to spread to passenger cars and, eventually, to construction equipment and aircraft.

The Tweel offers a number of benefits beyond the obvious attraction of being impervious to nails in the road. The tread will last two to three times as long as today's radial tires, Michelin says, and when it does wear thin it can be retreaded.

For manufacturers, the Tweel offers an opportunity to reduce the number of parts, eliminating most of the 23 components of a typical new tire as well as the costly air-pressure monitors that will soon be required on new vehicles in the United States.

In recent years, manufacturers have devoted an increasing amount of attention to tires that let motorists continue driving after a puncture, for 100 miles or more, at a reduced speed. Several such "run flat" designs are now available, providing convenience and peace of mind for travelers as well as freeing automakers to eliminate the weight and cost of spare tires.

Michelin, which markets run-flat tires under the Pax name, took a different approach in developing the Tweel. Its goal: a replacement for traditional tires that is designed to function without air in the first place.

Mounted on a car, the Tweel is a single unit, though it actually begins as an assembly of four pieces bonded together: the hub, a polyurethane spoke section, a "shear band" surrounding the spokes, and the tread band - the rubber layer that wraps around the circumference and touches the pavement.

While the Tweel's hub functions as it would in a normal wheel - a rigid attachment point to the axle - the polyurethane spokes are flexible to help absorb road impacts. The shear band surrounding the spokes effectively takes the place of the air pressure, distributing the load. The tread is similar in appearance to a conventional tire.

One of the basic shortcomings of a tire filled with air is that the inflation pressure is distributed equally around the tire, both up and down (vertically) as well as side-to side (laterally). That property keeps the tire round, but it also means that raising the pressure to improve cornering - increasing lateral stiffness - also adds up-down stiffness, making the ride harsher.

With the Tweel's injection-molded spokes, those characteristics are no longer linked - a point of particular excitement to an engineer like Mr. Thompson because of the potential it holds for improving handling response. The spokes can be engineered to give the Tweel five times as much lateral stiffness as current pneumatic tires without any loss of ride comfort.

The Tweel auto project is in its infancy - "Version 1.0," Mr. Thompson said - and only a single set of car Tweels exist. A test drive in a Tweel-equipped Audi A4 sedan on roads around Michelin's research center proved to be far less exotic than the construction method or appearance would suggest. The prototype Tweels are noisy, as Mr. Thompson warned they would be, a problem traced to vibration in the spokes.

The Tweels also transmit more of the feel of a coarse road surface than customers would tolerate in a production tire, but the level is understandable considering the early stage of development. More important, the steering's response as the driver begins a turn is excellent, and large bumps were swallowed up easily by the Tweels and the Audi's unmodified suspension.

There are other negatives: the flexibility, at this stage, contributes to greater friction, though it is within 5 percent of that generated by a conventional radial tire. And so far, the Tweel is no lighter than the tire and wheel it replaces.

Almost everything else about the Tweel is undetermined at this early stage of development, including serious matters like cost and frivolous questions like the possibilities of chrome-plating.

Logical uses - military vehicles, for example - would come years before automobiles, but Michelin's business projections accommodate the possibility that the Tweel may not be an overnight success. This would be nothing new for Michelin: the radial tire it invented in 1946 was not widely accepted in the United States until the 1970's.

[shun_sakurai]

^ The same article --- and even MORE details on run-flat tire tech, including Michelin's present introduction of PAX SYSTEM tires --- can be found at RoadandTrack.com.

Between the Tweel and the PAX System tire technologies, the latter seems more feasible.

It can be argued that the Tweel's basic premise (fusion of tire and wheel) stemmed from the PAX System's use of a solid rubber ring inside the wheel, which supports the car's weight in case the PAX System tires are deflated.

This is different from the run-flat technology of other makers (e.g. Pirelli, Goodyear, Bridgestone) that relies on very stiff tire sidewalls to support the weight of the car when the tire goes flat. However this method comes at the cost of ride comfort...so many road testers have disliked the run-flats of BMW's 5- and 6-series.

[ehna]

we bought a new set of tyres sa freddies/princess last dec31....goodyear eagle 185/65....damage is 8700....ok na rin ba yun or sana tumawad pa ako?

[rational]

Originally posted by slamm
PriceSmart gives good prices for their tires... plus free balancing and lifetime puncture repair.

What Dunlop tire in particular are you looking at? What size?

So far, from my recent tire shopping spree (haaay gastos) it seems the Toyo T1-S's are giving the best value for money at this point given the reviews it got (despite it's beign relatively old)... this is with the 195/55R15 size. :)

Whoops... Sorry... Did not write down the model. The ones I'm looking at are the standard size for the Lynx. Same as yours. 199/55R15 ata.

So Toyo is a good buy? How much for the 195/55SR15?

[slamm]

Hmmm. Kung 195/55R15 na Dunlop then that would most likely be the LM702's. We have those on our Crosswind and Exalta Grandeur. Good everyday tires in terms of grip, road noise, and wet performance (these arent performance tires though)... I've gotten some bukol complaints from some guys but our experience with them is otherwise from using them for over 5 years already (starting with the early LM701 models) in several of our cars. We used to buy it mostly because of the price back then but now it went up already to 2.6K at the local tire shops (how much is it at PriceSmart now?).

As for the Toyo Proxes T1-S, got them from West Avenue (can't recall the name of the shop now... Tire King ata) for P2,450@.

Oh yeah, just to add... if you're buying tires, avoid NH Miller like a plague (unless you're looking for a good excuse to be conned). ;)

[brock]

March ko pa planong bumili ng bagong tires. Ipon muna. Mukhang ok pa naman current tires ko kahit pudpod. Was able to run 400+km balikan galing province without problems.

Yokohama es100 pa rin #1 sa list. Medyo hirap nga lang hanapin. Di daw available sa kakilalang shops. What would you do if some tire shops claim your mags are oblong?

[slamm]

Be aware though that tire prices may possibly be going up... that's what the dealer i was talking to mentioned to me.

If your tire already has a bald spot, better replace them (even kung 2 at a time muna if kulang sa budget). Remember that they are your only source of contact and control with the road. :)

When my Pirellis mysteriously blew up on me, i changed the entire set asap... burning a P15,000.00 hole in my pocket in the process (the sad thing about having a pick-up or SUV, tires are more expensive/bigger).

[shun_sakurai]

What would you do if some tire shops claim your mags are oblong?

Kung sa West Ave. ka nagpatingin...don't believe them ASAP. This is supposedly their way of fooling people into getting you to buy mags and tires.

[slamm]

Usually i don't believe the tyre shops when they say that (esp. if i'm using stock 14" rims!). What i did before was to tell them to mount the tires first and then i'll ask how much the repairs are if ever. I then head over to Wheelers Suspension Haus in Banawe (or any shop that can do balancing but does not sell tires or rims) and when i ask them if my tires and rims are still good, they tell me "yes" :P.

That's what i did when my friend and i went to Miller along West before... bunch BS that shop gives you (mura nga tires but they'll get back at the cost somehow).

[brock]

na curious ako masyado. tinanggal ko isa isa gulong. bilog na bilog naman tingin ko. :D

[benchph]

yorimoto...anung size nung es100 mo?

[shun_sakurai]

HO'nga no...forgot to ask him the size. :)

Was looking for 14-inch ES100 tires a year ago eh. Wala pa. Sana talaga ngayon meron na :D

[benchph]

by order ang 14's na es100. i got a set at freddies

195/60/14 ang kinuha kong size

:D

[brock]

Nagpaorder na rin ako 2 Yokohama es100. 195/55/15. P2750 daw.

[brock]

pudpod or bukol :confused:

i can't afford to replace 4 tires at once so i complained that the mags i bought before have huge scratches. the shop still has a stock of sir mags. they agreed to replace it. i swapped 2 mags with pudpod tires with replacements. on one of the replacements may bukol yung isang tire sa side.

returned: 2 falken super pudpod tires
replacements: yoko s306, dunlop (w/ bukol) pero makapal pa

in short i returned 2 pudpod tires in exchange for a 1 tire with bukol pero makapal. :confused: good decision ba? :rolleyes:

[yorimoto]

Originally posted by benchph
yorimoto...anung size nung es100 mo?
15

[shun_sakurai]

Erase erase erase...

[slamm]

Originally posted by brock
pudpod or bukol :confused:

i can't afford to replace 4 tires at once so i complained that the mags i bought before have huge scratches. the shop still has a stock of sir mags. they agreed to replace it. i swapped 2 mags with pudpod tires with replacements. on one of the replacements may bukol yung isang tire sa side.

returned: 2 falken super pudpod tires
replacements: yoko s306, dunlop (w/ bukol) pero makapal pa

in short i returned 2 pudpod tires in exchange for a 1 tire with bukol pero makapal. :confused: good decision ba? :rolleyes:

Either way medyo talo honestly since at the end its still the safety of you and your ride that is compromised if you're using the tires on a daily run (kung spare tire, it can still be manageable). One alternative with the bukol tire is to put an interior. :)

My .002

[brock]

Originally posted by slamm
Either way medyo talo honestly since at the end its still the safety of you and your ride that is compromised if you're using the tires on a daily run (kung spare tire, it can still be manageable). One alternative with the bukol tire is to put an interior. :)

My .002

ganon :eek: may tendency ba pumutok yun bukol. kala ko "deformed" lang sya. i only drive 12km back to back everyday.

paltan ko na rin sya in the future. at least kasi yung gulong pwede paltan pero yung mags na may malaking scratch hindi na.
:p

[so_obVIOS]

I tore my sidewall yesterday. Ouch! :(

[elodeon]

how so_vios?

[shun_sakurai]

Yikes. Paano nangyari?

Sayang naman at bago pa yung kotse at goma mo...

[so_obVIOS]

Cge na nga kwento ko na :) . It was at a dark parking lot where there's this small protrusion from the gutter at the entrance, hidden by the shadow of a nearby tree. I hit it as I approached, my eyes were scanning for an ideal parking spot din kasi.

Ayun, when I got down the tire was hissing and deflating fast :( The darn Eagle NCT5 cost me 2 grand + :( Had the car checked the following morning. At least there's no damage to the car itself

[brock]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/brock69/tirewire.jpg
exposed wires! :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/brock69/tirebukol.jpg
bukol! :eek:

OUCH! :( sakit sa bulsa to. dami papaltan :(

[shun_sakurai]

Brock,
Mareremedyohan pa ba yan? Have you asked?

Sayang pa naman at mukhang mamahalin yang goma mo...15" LM702 di ba?

[brock]

etong LM702 pinalagyan ko ng patch yung may bukol area 1 hour ago. pati na rin yung yoko s306. wala bukol pero may konti crack. P200 each singil sa ken. lagyan daw ng interior/ patch sabi ni slamm.

nalubak daw kaya bumukol! pero ala daw tama yung mags. no bingkong. tibay naman yata sir enkei na mags. :D

[SeminaristaKuno]

Went to Freddie's earlier to get a new pair of ER60s. Wala daw sila stock so I tried sa Big A na katabi lang. Medyo mas mahal ang Big A by a few hundred although baka kasi nag-taasan na rin talaga presyo ng tires. Di libre ang weights although may promo sila na may libreng computerized alignment when you purchase tires or mags from them. Alignment alone is around 250 pesos. Di ko napa-align kanina kasi may nauna sa akin and eskapo lang ako sa office pero pwede naman daw balikan.

[brock]

Finally!

nakabili na rin ako :grinroll: :grinroll:

2 yokohama avs es100 sa front. P2,750 each.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/brock69/es100_01.jpg
195/55/r15.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/brock69/es100_02.jpg
goodbye pudpod tires.

:drive:

[jason_10]

i got 2 sets of tires bridgestone turanza at GTD merchandising. good price na at 2400 each. free na yung mounting/balancing and valve(pito).

[shun_sakurai]

Wow! Congrats Brock :D Grabe naiinggit ako :p

Jason, which Turanzas did you get? Tumaas ata yung presyo ah...

Q: Are the ER-series Turanzas directional too?

[brock]

Wow! Congrats Brock :D Grabe naiinggit ako :p

Jason, which Turanzas did you get? Tumaas ata yung presyo ah...

Q: Are the ER-series Turanzas directional too?

hehe :naughty: oks sya as compared to the s306 na nasa harap dati. nilipat ko na sa likod. :kyle:

[SeminaristaKuno]

Q: Are the ER-series Turanzas directional too?

ER60 hinde. Design ay parang Ducaro GA with a solid center rib. May kamukha din syang Dunlop di ko lang maalala ang model. 1500-1700 for 185/70R13.

Turanza GR80 ang directional with two solid center ribs and a huge billboard near the Magallanes interchange.

[shun_sakurai]

I see. Looks like the ER-series Turanzas are the non-directional ones and the GR-series are directional. Thanks sa info :)

My 14" wheels are shod with Turanza GR-80s. Saw a few cars with the older GR-50 rubber and they're directional din :)

[jason_10]

i got the old ones, gr-50. recommended talaga ang turanzas. it doesn't wear out that easily and it has decent grip sa road.

[shun_sakurai]

recommended talaga ang turanzas. it doesn't wear out that easily
For daily drives? :)

The funny thing about my GR-80 rubber is that I couldn't find a treadwear indicator embossed on the sidewall...a friend also shared that Turanzas wear out quickly on a trackday. *scratches head*

A personal observation: Turanzas seem to dislike running through puddles at high speed. Ingat na lang sa highway driving; try to avoid standing water when travelling at 80+ km/h :) At lower speeds I think they shift the water away better.

[jason_10]

yes for daily driven cars like mine. that's why i don't expect much, still i was impressed with the gr 50. using it on track days is a different story. any tire would wear out quickly during track days. i really wanted to test my previous car to the track but i couldn't afford wearing the tires out in one weekend.

on my previous car, a civic eg, i used k1 rims wrapped with dunlop fm901, and the tires were already at 50% in less than a year.

i'd a horrible experience driving a worn out tire (goodyear nct3). i was driving around 80kph at the alabang flyover then i ran over a puddle on the right side. my car pulled to the right. good thing i was able to counter steer otherwise i would have hit the gutter.

[u2]

hi, i need to replace my two rear wheels asap, help pls. they're michelin mxf sport 215/45R17 87V. any recommendations on alternatives? and where are good stores to find good buys? thanks!

[u2]

and how much pala should i expect to shell out? thanks!

[shun_sakurai]

U2...
Ang alam ko kasi mahal ang low-profile 17" rubber like what's currently shod on your car.

I don't have a specific price in mind but a new 45-profile 17" tire should cost you upwards of PhP2500 at least.

Correct me if I'm wrong :)

Saan area ka ba? Recommend ko Freddies/Princess kapag malapit ka sa Evangelista St. sa Makati/Pasay. :)

[u2]

got na a new pair... maxxis (ok ba to?).... 4100 each (mahal pala ha). then i put the 2 dunlops at the back. dunlops are like 5100, good year mas mahal pa lalo. hassle...

[shun_sakurai]

^ Kaya di pa rin ako nagpapalit ng mas malaking mags. :)

Maybe you can consider switching to 15s? It's cheaper to find tires at this size, and there's less rolling resistance as compared to a 17" rim + tire...so there's a potential for greater fuel economy :)

...Pero sulitin mo na muna siguro yung bagong goma mo :)

[so_obVIOS]

got na a new pair... maxxis (ok ba to?).... 4100 each (mahal pala ha).
Whoa! Mahal nga! I was thinking of putting 16"s pa naman once I get some money. Napapa-isip tuloy ako ulit. Pero the Vios' stock 14"s looks puny on its wheel well kasi :depressed:

[marco_1]

Whoa! Mahal nga! I was thinking of putting 16"s pa naman once I get some money. Napapa-isip tuloy ako ulit. Pero the Vios' stock 14"s looks puny on its wheel well kasi :depressed:


sinabi mo pa! hehe, pero antayin ko na lang masira din sa Vios ko bago ko palitan :) sayang kasi e, siguro may purpose sila kung bakit yun ang design nila o tinipid lang talaga ng toyota! :D

[so_obVIOS]

sinabi mo pa! hehe, pero antayin ko na lang masira din sa Vios ko bago ko palitan :) sayang kasi e, siguro may purpose sila kung bakit yun ang design nila o tinipid lang talaga ng toyota! :D
My take on this: I think there's a good purpose. Large wheels make the ride a bit harsher (matagtag). With the Vios' light weight, harsher talaga ride nya compared to something like the Altis, if they'll have the same wheels. Putting smaller wheels on the Vios somehow minimizes that.

(^same goes with other sub-compacts by the way)

For me personally, I wouldn't mind trading a bit of the ride quality for some aesthetic pleasure. :) Wag lang sobra

[Blackbird]

ER60 hinde. Design ay parang Ducaro GA with a solid center rib. May kamukha din syang Dunlop di ko lang maalala ang model. 1500-1700 for 185/70R13.

Turanza GR80 ang directional with two solid center ribs and a huge billboard near the Magallanes interchange.

Hi SeminaristaKuno,

I hope you still read this thread nowadays...

Anyway, am looking around for the same size of tires... kumusta naman yung ER60? tahimik ba siya?? I understand from this thread that you have 4 ER60s on your car... feedback naman?

Kasi I was canvassing in Tomas Mapua... the ER60s are a bit cheaper than the B700 (also Bridgestone) kasi they're (ER60) made in Indonesia (or some Asian country, I forgot) ... as opposed to the B700s which are made in Japan...

But being made in Indonesia doesn't necessarily mean inferior siya so I thought I'd ask you about the ER60s...

I've always wanted to use Turanzas... particularly the GR50 pero wala siyang available sa size na kailangan natin (185/70/13)

Am also considering Dunlop SP70e... does anyone have feedback on this?

Thanks in advance :)

[babajigalu]

recently i changed tires, 185/65r14, i bought a new tire brand, its the Kenda Komet;checked it @ the web and learned that they market that brand in the states as well, and so far, i've not had any problems whatsoever.

[SeminaristaKuno]

Hey Blackbird!

I'm very satisfied with my ER60s. Ganda ng kapit around corners. Ganda rin ang ride although I sacrifice konti for fuel economy by filling them up to 32psi. And tahimik talaga sya. Mas marinig mo pa ang whistle ng hangin at 80 - 100kph kesa drone ng tires.

I bought my first pair sa Freddies. Nung bibili na ako ng second pair naubusan sila sa Freddies at B700 ang inaalok sa akin. Buti na lang meron pa sa katabi nyang Big A and although mas mahal sa Freddies by a few hundred kinuha ko na.

Mas confident ako sa tires that are made in Indonesia or the Philippines compared to tires that are made in Japan or Europe. Yung local tires kasi formulated for very hot temperatures and the quality (or the lack thereof) of our roads.

[Blackbird]

Hey Blackbird!

I'm very satisfied with my ER60s. Ganda ng kapit around corners. Ganda rin ang ride although I sacrifice konti for fuel economy by filling them up to 32psi. And tahimik talaga sya. Mas marinig mo pa ang whistle ng hangin at 80 - 100kph kesa drone ng tires.

I bought my first pair sa Freddies. Nung bibili na ako ng second pair naubusan sila sa Freddies at B700 ang inaalok sa akin. Buti na lang meron pa sa katabi nyang Big A and although mas mahal sa Freddies by a few hundred kinuha ko na.

Mas confident ako sa tires that are made in Indonesia or the Philippines compared to tires that are made in Japan or Europe. Yung local tires kasi formulated for very hot temperatures and the quality (or the lack thereof) of our roads.

Hey Seminarista!!! Thanks for the reply! Hahanap hanap na ko ng ER60 kung saan mura!!

Ganun din ang naisip ko tungkol sa mga tires from Japan, baka masyadong malambot yung compound...

Pare, salamat ulit ng marami... sana makahanap pa ako ng ER60. kasi sa mga 8 shops na pinuntahan ko, isa lang ata meron :(

[SeminaristaKuno]

Size 13 rin ba tires mo? Hirap talaga maghanap ng ganung size. Most of the recommendations dito size 14 and above na. Try shopping sa Evangelista and along EDSA after Evangelista. Di ako familiar sa shops sa West Ave eh.

[Blackbird]

yup. size 13 din goma ko (185/70/13). Lancer itlog din kotse ko.

very limited nga ang choices ng tires sa size na ito

[u2]

sorry to ask, but what's the itlog lancer? which model are you guys referring to? thanks

[brock]

sorry to ask, but what's the itlog lancer? which model are you guys referring to? thanks

followup question: anong year naman yun pizza?

[SeminaristaKuno]

OT:
itlog 1992-96
pizza 1997-2002

[marco_1]

anu pros and cons sa Goodyear NCT5? (stock ng Vios ko kasi e)
pansin ko lang maingay at pag nasa kurbada ako ng mabilis, kakaiba yung grip nya...

[shun_sakurai]

Size 13 rin ba tires mo? Hirap talaga maghanap ng ganung size. Most of the recommendations dito size 14 and above na.

...And even then, there are more tire varieties when you get 15" mags. Hirap din maghanap ng ilang goma sa 14" size, such as the Yokohama ES100 and Advan Neova AD07.

[MJ]

peeps, ano ang advantage/disadvantage ng directional tires sa non-directional?

thanks!

[SeminaristaKuno]

Directional
Pro
- better grip both dry and wet
- low rolling resistance

Con
- can only swap tires on same side
- reserve will still be non-directional

[MJ]

^

thanks dude!

what is rolling resistance?

is there a possibility na mali ang paglagay nung directional tire? ano effect sa ride?

tia!

[SeminaristaKuno]

Rolling resistance roughly defined is the force that prevents a tire from turning. Example: mas malaki rolling resistance ng flat tire compared to a properly inflated tire.

Siguro lower ang rolling resistance ng directional tires kasi their designed to go in one direction only.

Kung baliktad ang pagkalagay ng directional tires baka worse pa ang performance compared to non-directional tires. Baka instead of pushing away water lulutang ka tuloy. Marami akong nakikitang baliktad ang pagkalagay. Sadly this is evident even on some uber-expensive machines.

BTW, meron din asymmetric tires. May specific tires for each side of the vehicle.

[brock]

I recently had suspension repairs/ replacements. Almost all major parts. Front and rear. Do I need to go to a tire shop for alignment?

[slamm]

I recently had suspension repairs/ replacements. Almost all major parts. Front and rear. Do I need to go to a tire shop for alignment?

Yeppers... :)

[brock]

tnx! what will happen if i postpone the tire alignment.

[so_obVIOS]

^ You'll chew up your tires in some odd ways I guess. Sayang din bagong tires mo.

[brock]

buti 8km/ day lang travel ko. balak ko sabay alignment pagbili ng 2 more tires.

[MJ]

thanks SeminaristaKuno!

brock, dude, nakabili ka na ba ulit ng bagong tires? ok ba yung es100? di madali mapudpod?

am planning to buy new wheels this weekend eh.. ano ba dapat i-check? last week, i went to west ave. to canvass a tire and wheel package.. yung yokohamas and dunlops daw are almost the same price.. ang ibinibigay sa kin na yokos are those 306(?). yung dunlop is the lm 702.. after reading the thread, dapat pala iwasan yung 306.. nagtaasan nga daw ang presyo ng tires.. the price is 2,600/tire.. yung es100 ba is 2750 pa din?

thanks!

[brock]

thanks SeminaristaKuno!

brock, dude, nakabili ka na ba ulit ng bagong tires? ok ba yung es100? di madali mapudpod?

am planning to buy new wheels this weekend eh.. ano ba dapat i-check? last week, i went to west ave. to canvass a tire and wheel package.. yung yokohamas and dunlops daw are almost the same price.. ang ibinibigay sa kin na yokos are those 306(?). yung dunlop is the lm 702.. after reading the thread, dapat pala iwasan yung 306.. nagtaasan nga daw ang presyo ng tires.. the price is 2,600/tire.. yung es100 ba is 2750 pa din?

thanks!

bought that last january. mukha pang brand new. i'm not sure if it's still 2750. wala pa naman akong napapansin na complaints except that dull ang sidewall nya compared sa s306. maliit yung logos at malabo tignan lalo na kung madumi. kahit punuin mo ng tireblack mas makintab pa rin dating ng s306. :D ok sya sa performance hnde sa looks. :lol:

[slamm]

Try to see if you can find old stock of the Toyo Proxes T1-S... I was able to get for P2,450 (195/55R15) some months back from King West. Very grippy all-around tires (good on the wet), my only complaint is that they tramline a bit on bad expressway surfaces.

[shun_sakurai]

MJ, ano balak mong wheel/tire size?

Mas nagiging mahal ang goma kapag mas malaki na ang kakabitan mong gulong :)

[MJ]

brock, ok lang yun.. mas importante naman is yung performance eh.. 2nd na lang yung looks.. :teehee: and dami yatang complaints sa 306 eh..

slamm, sige, i'll check that one..

shun, 195/55R15 yung plan ko.. nung nag-canvass ako last week, sabi nung guy dun sa store, mag 195/60R15 na lang daw ako para mas mura and para daw hindi matagtag.. does it really make a big difference sa 'tagtag'?

thanks mga dudes!

[shun_sakurai]

MJ...
Compare natin ang sidewall height ng goma na iniisip mo.
195 mm * 0.55 = 107.25 mm
195 mm * 0.60 = 117 mm

The 195/60 tire will have 10mm (1cm) more sidewall than the 55-series one. I'm not too convinced it'll offer that much cushioning from tagtag though.

Kung pareho naman ang price ng dalawa, kunin mo na lang yung mas trip mo :) Good luck dude!

[MJ]

mga dudes! nakabili na ko! :bungi:

set of Volk Racing CE28s and Yokohama ES100s.. all for 27,500.. sa Autobahn in West Ave... grabe mahal.. pero i think sulit to! medyo nagka-angas yung oto.. :teehee:

i got the yoko's for 2,750 lang.. ok na din.. yung 55 series na lang kinuha ko.. so far, wala naman akong naramdamang tagtag.. maganda nga yung grip nung es100!

slamm, i found only one shop with those toyo proxes.. ang ganda ng grooves! and ang lalim pa! mukhang pang-matagalan.. kaso lang they're selling it for 3,900! grabe harang! although, lahat yata mahal dun sa store na yun (sa banawe pa yun).. yung es100 nga nila is 3,900 din eh..

sa mga napag-canvassan ko.. mas maganda ng bumili sa West Ave. mas mura sila sa wheels and tires compared sa Banawe. nakakagulat nga considering na mura mga car accessories dun and madami din naman tire stores dun.. oh well..

guys, thanks sa mga inputs niyo! it's really good getting all your thoughts and opinions! :)

[slamm]

Congrats on your new shoes. :D

Grabe taga ng Proxes! Considering it's already an outdated model.

I noticed that with Banawe also, tires arent their main selling items talaga.

[shun_sakurai]

Congrats sa bagong sapatos MJ!

Lupit ng rims mo ah? Amfowgi nyang Volk CE28! Inggit ako :D

For those who might want a peek, here's a picture of the POWER HOUSE AMUSE S2000 GT1 shod with Volk CE28N rims...
http://blog.gtroc.com/dino/as1.jpg

[MJ]

salamat.. hehehe..

parang ganyan nga.. pero 8 spokes lang.. 15" lang kinuha ko para medyo mura ang goma.. :teehee:


kwento lang:

when i was canvassing tires.. i was gonna ask them toyo proxes.. ang nasabi ko dun sa ale "may toyo ho kayo?" :lol:

when i realized my booboo.. sinabi ko agad na toyo proxes ts-1 yung hanap ko.. :glee:

[slamm]

when i was canvassing tires.. i was gonna ask them toyo proxes.. ang nasabi ko dun sa ale "may toyo ho kayo?" :lol:

when i realized my booboo.. sinabi ko agad na toyo proxes ts-1 yung hanap ko.. :glee:

Kaya siguro ang mahal na binigay na presyo sa yo for the Toyo. :P :D

[jordan_rules]

Can someone here help me choose the appropriate tire with the right specs for a 2003 Mitsubishi Adventure? Its current tire specs is 185/80R14 95S. The dimension of the vehicle's current wheels is 14" x 5" 40 ET (Does somebody here know the bolt pattern for a standard 2003 Adventure wheel?). I'm planning to upgrade the wheel size to 16" with the following specs: 16" x 8.0" +13/+20 ET 5h x 139.7 bolt pattern. What tire brand is the best, or most recommended? Thanks!

[shun_sakurai]

Here's a site that can help you out with tire sizing: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

As for tire brands...Yokohama and Goodyear make good tires, but they're not immune to making tires that are deemed "crap" by some people (such as the Yoko S306 and the Goodyear NCT3).

[slamm]

That Miata site helps a lot. :)

On the tire, 16's would mean you're already looking at non-AUV tires... For brand, i'm partial to Bridgestones amongst some. But Goodyear, Yokohoma, and Dunlop are ok. Each brand still has it's crappy models but the infamous ones like the Yok s306 and Goodyear NCT3's are already being faced-out AFAIK.

[dowlahn]

Here's a site that can help you out with tire sizing: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

As for tire brands...Yokohama and Goodyear make good tires, but they're not immune to making tires that are deemed "crap" by some people (such as the Yoko S306 and the Goodyear NCT3).

naku po. crap ang S306? yan yung pinampalit ko dun sa NCT5 ko before. (car is civic 03). Anung sablay sa model na yun?

[jordan_rules]

That Miata site helps a lot. :)

On the tire, 16's would mean you're already looking at non-AUV tires... For brand, i'm partial to Bridgestones amongst some. But Goodyear, Yokohoma, and Dunlop are ok. Each brand still has it's crappy models but the infamous ones like the Yok s306 and Goodyear NCT3's are already being faced-out AFAIK.
Ano ba ang ideal na wheel size for AUVs? Ok pa rin ba yung 16"?

[brock]

nag pa camber alignment ako sa yokohama. they charged me P1500. medyo mahal pero ganun yata talaga yun. may isang klase P800 alignment lang hnde camber.

nagpapark pa lang ako para mag inquire they were already pointing at my front tires. baligtad daw direction ng yokohama es100 ko. never realized that nagkapalit nun kinabit uli 2 weeks ago. pahiya tuloy ako :laugh:

[slamm]

With an AUV, i'd probably stick with 15's since these are cars you would want to use as a utility vehicle... 15" tires are also relatively cheaper then 16's. OEM rims/tires from the Adventure Grand Sport may look good... hanap ka lang ng second hand. :)

[shox920]

May nakita akong red adventure naka 16" wheels sya tapos low profile na tires... ganda tignan

[MJ]

dude, nag-pa-align din ako last week.. P250 lang.. :D

[jordan_rules]

Would there be an adverse effect or would it be a disadvantage to have a larger-than-15" wheels for an Adventure? How about having tires much larger than the standard ones?

[jordan_rules]

May nakita akong red adventure naka 16" wheels sya tapos low profile na tires... ganda tignan

ei, what do you mean by "low profile" tires? sorry, di ako masyadong well-versed sa tire terminology e.. :D

[slamm]

Low profile refers to your sidewall height being relatively low.

Disadvantage of larger than 15's would fall on the cost factor and maybe comfort as well.

[jordan_rules]

Low profile refers to your sidewall height being relatively low.

Disadvantage of larger than 15's would fall on the cost factor and maybe comfort as well.

Bakit **** maco-compromise ang comfort pag nag-upgrade ng size ng wheels? Di ba pag nag-plus-sizing e halos pareho lang ang overall diameter kahit mas malaki sa standard ang bagong wheels? What's the difference ba with bigger and smaller wheels in terms of comfort, control and safety?

[jordan_rules]

Nga pala slamm, alam kong madami kang alam pag dating sa auto. ;) Ano nga pala ibig sabihin ng 8" sa 16" x 8" wheel specs? Rim width ba yan?

[brock]

P250? wtf. nagoyo ako.

[jordan_rules]

Sensya na kung marami akong tanong :D pag yung offset ba nung standard wheels ng auto ko ay 40, ok lang ba mgpalit ng wheels na lower ang offset (say 13 or 20)?

[SeminaristaKuno]

Depende talaga yon pre. 1500 is the norm for computerized camber and 4-wheel alignment in shops like Minerva and Servitek. 300 usually manual alignment. 800 kung may camber.

[shun_sakurai]

Bakit **** maco-compromise ang comfort pag nag-upgrade ng size ng wheels? Di ba pag nag-plus-sizing e halos pareho lang ang overall diameter kahit mas malaki sa standard ang bagong wheels? What's the difference ba with bigger and smaller wheels in terms of comfort, control and safety?

If you apply the plus-sizing concept it will be obvious that ride comfort will suffer when you put bigger wheels on. It's all about the height of the sidewall, given by the aspect ratio (the "55" in 195/55). That's the height of the sidewall as a percentage of the tread width (the "195"). Multiply 195 by 0.55 and you get the sidewall height.

When plus-sizing, effectively you're trading comfort for looks because the overall wheel diameter isn't changed. You're getting bigger wheels. To compensate, you should reduce the sidewall height of the tire so that wheel diameter stays the same.

The usual occurrence with low-profile tires (thin sidewalls) is that the sidewalls have become reinforced to withstand the cornering energies generated by driving, so that can lead to better handling. However, stiff sidewalls usually mean a deterioration in the ride quality. Mas magiging matagtag ang takbo.

Handling and ride quality usually don't mix...it's either one or the other.

[brock]

yup. computerized camber alignment sya. servitek type of shop. meron pa lang manual alignment.

[slamm]

P250 is what i pay also in shop with an manual alignment rig (Wheelers Susp. Haus, JP Wheels) and if it's only for the fronts. A 4 wheel alignment and camber job will go for 1,000-1,500 depending on the shop.

Make sure they give warranty so that you can go back of adjustments if you're not happy. JP Wheels gives two months warranty before and i hit a bad bump once and felt my wheels got misaligned so i went back and they did it again with no questions asked.

[slamm]

Ano nga pala ibig sabihin ng 8" sa 16" x 8" wheel specs? Rim width ba yan?

Yup, the 8" refers to the rim width. ;)

[MJ]

computerized din yun sa akin.. pero front wheels nga lang.. i think kasama na din yung camber alignment..

[brock]

tinitingnan ko sa computer pero do ko gets. sana tinanong ko kung ano ibig sabihin pag red (-) o green (+) yung gulong.

mahal din yoko es100 dun. P3000 isa. P2750 lang bili ko sa ibang shop.

[Crusty_D_Clown]

http://www.grupotoyota.com.ph/board/viewtopic.php?t=24415

[jordan_rules]

Thanks for the replies sakurai and slamm, car gurus! ;) ask ko lang po, e kung mag-install ako ng bigger wheels then increase ko rin yung size ng tires, ok pa rin kaya yun? say, from 185/80R14 to 205/60R16? ginamit ko kasi yung calculator dun sa miata site, yung % difference nila is 0.1% lang.

[shun_sakurai]

Pwede siguro.

Basta kapag magbago yung overall wheel diameter mo, magkakaroon ka ng discrepancy sa speedometer reading. Yan yung punto ng "plus-sizing"---hindi mo na kailangang magpa-calibrate ng speedo kahit na nagpalit ka ng wheel/tire size dahil pareho pa rin yung overall wheel diameter.

Yung Miata.net tire calculator, may indication dapat yan ng discrepancy sa speedo reading pag nagpalit ka ng wheel/tire size combo. :)

[jordan_rules]

A ok.. So pag nag-increase pala yung overall diameter, kelangan din palang ipa-calibrate ng speedometer? Tama ba pagkakaintindi ko? For what reason yung pagpapa-calibrate?

Another thing, ok lang din bang magpalit ng wheels na mas maliit ang offset kesa dun sa standard (say, from 40mm to 13/20mm ET)?

[shun_sakurai]

So pag nag-increase pala yung overall diameter, kelangan din palang ipa-calibrate ng speedometer? Tama ba pagkakaintindi ko? For what reason yung pagpapa-calibrate?

Kailangan i-calibrate yung speedo mo para tama yung reading ng tulin ng takbo mo. There's a possibility that your speedo's indicating 80 km/h, but you're actually travelling at 100 because of different overall wheel diameter.

Speedometers are calibrated usually for just one overall wheel diameter---those of your stock tires.

[jordan_rules]

Thanks for the info! :)

Another question though, can I change from a bigger offset (40mm) to a smaller one (13 or 20mm)?

[Crusty_D_Clown]

Thanks for the info! :)

Another question though, can I change from a bigger offset (40mm) to a smaller one (13 or 20mm)?

Click the link.
http://www.grupotoyota.com.ph/board...pic.php?t=24415

Oh, I forgot, I guess you didn't bother to take a look at it the first time I posted it... So here you go, read on... :bash:


When upgrading your wheels to rim 16, 17 or 18, first you need to know what your stock settings are.

What are the specs of your OEM stock tires and wheels?
Is it Rim 14 or 15? Is it 4 holes? PCD 100? What's the offset?
What's the specs of your OEM tires? 195/65/R15?

The specs of the wheels are usually engraved or found in a sticker at the back side of the wheel. There you will see the offset, PCD and rim width.

As for the tire specs, just look at the tire itself, all the information is in the tire, all you have to do is read it.


If your going to get 17s, be sure that the overall diameter, including the tire, is near that of the stock wheel and tire so that your speedo will read correctly. To give you an idea click the link below. That will determine, what type of tire size should be right for you.

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos

I'll give you an example. My rear tires are 225/50/R15. If I want to upgrade to Rim 16 wheels, I'm going to need 225/45/R16 tires so that the overall diameter would be near or the same as stock. Acceptable tolerance would be +/- 3% of the overall stock diameter.

Another important thing to look out for is the offset. If you get some rim 17s with the wrong offset, it will either rub with your inner suspension or stick out past your fender. The best thing to do is to test fit it before you buy it.

Offset (ET)
Offset is the distance in millimeters from the mounting face of the wheel to wheel centerline. Offsets can be positive, negative, or zero. Most are positive (the reason most people leave off the plus sign). Offset is often listed as ET (short for the German word ‘Einepresstiefe’ which literally translates to ‘insertion depth.’ Wheels with lower offsets will be more likely to stick out past the fender. Higher offset wheels will be more likely to contact suspension components. Brake caliper clearance can be helped with lower offsets, but is also dependent upon spoke design.

Offset illustrations:

From tires.com
http://wheelspecs.com/albums/FAQ-Links/aaj.gif

From tirerack.com
http://wheelspecs.com/albums/FAQ-Links/aak.gif

You can take wheels to a machine shop or wheel repair shop to have the mounting pad shaved down to increase offset by a few mm, bringing the wheels closer to the suspension. I’ve heard the figure 3mm quoted by a national wheel/tire chain but it really depends on the thickness and design of the mounting face. Some retailers say this is NEVER a safe practice. This can compromise the structural integrity of the wheel depending on its design which is a safety liability. Do this at your own risk. Wheels can also be narrowed or widened, but it will typically cost more than buying new wheels.

Spacers can be used to lower wheel offset, pushing the wheels out further towards the fenders. See spacer information below.

Spacers
Several reasons to use them:
-more brake caliper clearance
-more clearance from suspension components
-make the wheels more flush with the fender – increases chances of tires rubbing fender
Basically, you end up with a lower offset by using spacers.
Like any other modification to your vehicle, spacers can be a safety hazard if not installed properly. Many people are using spacers effectively with no complications. If you can’t get 6.5 turns – you need longer lugstuds. If it’s close, be safe, and get longer studs.

Offset and width are directly related. Diameter and offset are not related.
Offset varies slightly between manufacturers. It shouldn’t, but it does.

There are many calculators that are useful for finding offset, tire height, gearing, etc. Click the link below.

http://toy4two.home.mindspring.com/offset.html
http://www.discounttire.com/dtc/bro...fo/tireMath.jsp
http://gs.tolan-hoechst.com/tirecalc.htm

[slamm]

Plus sizing is ok lang (it even helps your fuel eco a bit), just don't overdo it as to stress out the suspension and drivetain components. :) I think plus sizing is also better then getting smaller tires.

On the speedo discrepancy, it shouldnt be much of a problem also since most speedos (if not, all) are calibrated to run faster then actual anyway.

[Crusty_D_Clown]

Thanks for the info! :)

Another question though, can I change from a bigger offset (40mm) to a smaller one (13 or 20mm)?

You can do that, but the wheels might stick out of the fender. If you like that kind of look then its up to you.

[jordan_rules]

Thanks crusty and slamm for your informative replies :) Btw crusty, i clicked on the link but i can't get through it.. Coz it was asking for a username and password, which i don't have :( anyway, thanks guys!

[neo_reloaded031]

Crap! How does computerized camber alignment look like? Kasi I had the front wheels of our revo aligned at mukhang manual alignment lang siya when they were doing it pero P1,500 ang chinarge sakin! :( Minor accident *** front right wheel sa island kaya nga pala kinailangan i-align, the car was drifting to the right when driving on a straight level road.

[jordan_rules]

Saan makakabili nito at magkano?

P.S.
Kung may alam din kayo kung saan makakabili ng Yokohama AVS ES100/Sport 225/55R16 at magkano, patulong na din. Salamat mga peeps. :)

[jordan_rules]

Please give me useful information about this tire.

[Shemale_Lover]

its ok.............

[jordan_rules]

Alam nyo ba specs nito?

[brock]

naka merge na sa thread [merged] tires yun mga info dyan.

[jordan_rules]

ganun ba brock? may question lang ako: sa tingin mo ba reasonable yung price na 3640 para sa LM702?

[jordan_rules]

i mean, is Php3640 a tire for an LM702 a good deal? anyone?

[Ruffendz]

ever heard of NANKANG tires? mahal ng 17" kaya nankang lang afford ko..

[brock]

depende kasi sa size. 14" = below 2k, 15" = 2400-2800. mahal yan kung ganun. :D

[slamm]

First Q, for what size? 1959/55R15 versions of those tires usually cost around P2,600.00@ more or less nowadays.

I'm a happy LM702 (and LM701) user from way back. Its not noisy, respectable wet weather road grip (no hydroplaning here), and it lasts long on our cars (i once stretched the ones on our old Sentra to around 60K before having to change them). I hear complaints from other guys though na mabilis mabukol daw sa kanila but i'm willing to assume that its also relative to driving conditions and style.