MBA? Lasalle or Ateneo

[Archimedes]

Which school has a better mba program? I know that both
have a part time mba programs but which is cheaper and better?
San maraming magandang chicks na rin?

[prof_x]

Originally posted by Archimedes
Which school has a better mba program? I know that both
have a part time mba programs but which is cheaper and better?
San maraming magandang chicks na rin?

UP Diliman has the better programme.

According to some friends (UP graduates), Ateneo's MBA programme is very easy... they can afford to review for exams - a few hours before the scheduled exams (something that is not recommended in UP).

Anyway, my friends graduated already -- one is even teaching MBA... in DLSU!

[Rachmaninov]

Both campuses are pretty good, although it can be argued that the neighborhood around Ateneo is better.

You should also consider that the Ateneo MBA program is often used by their varsity to prolong their playing careers. (ahh... those noted geniuses on the team... :lol: )

Now that's quality education! :lol:

[mrbig]

The Diploma Mill That Is AGSB

If you want to find the biggest money making graduate institution in Manila, look no further than Rockwell. Believe me, I speak from experience. In 2000, I enrolled in the Ateneo Graduate School of Business (AGSB) MBA program for reasons of convenience – it was 5 minutes away from where I worked and parking was not a problem (I know, how foolish of me). Since my firm was paying for my tuition, I was crazy enough to enroll without doing my homework – asking friends in AGSB if it was worth anyone’s while. I knew for a fact that DLSU’s Graduate School had a better reputation, but due to my demanding work schedule, I chose the easy way out and decided not to add more stress to my already busy life (thus parking and location became the crucial factors in deciding where to enroll).

Once classes started, I slowly realized that the professors were so lenient. If you missed an exam, you could always use work as an excuse. To make up for it, they’d just give you a special project. Thus, it was next to impossible (and I mean impossible!) to flunk a class. I remember a philosophy subject I took wherein I hardly attended class, and since there wasn’t any midterm or final for that class, I just submitted my 3 papers (on various topics that I’ve forgotten now) and voila – I passed!

Group work for cases/projects was usually divided between 10 to 12 people. These cases/projects are so easy, 3 or 4 people would have been sufficient. Now asking 10 or 12 people to divide the work ultimately breeds slackers. Consequently, no one learns anything.

The way they teach Accounting and Finance will take another essay to discuss, but I’ll try to give the gist of the whole thing. Having been schooled in DLSU’s way of teaching Accounting, I expected in-depth work on Financial Ratios, Income Statement Analysis, etc. with the strictest of standards (no margin for error whatsoever). But to my dismay, the professors in AGSB teaching accounting were so lackadaisical that homeworks were given out as group projects! How in the world are you suppose to learn if homeworks that are as easy as 1 2 3 are being done by a group of 12 students? Everyone slacks off due to several reasons – it’s not challenging enough, or there is too little work divided among too many students. Having come from an institution that gave me Accounting hell during my college days, this was unacceptable for me. Besides, every MBA program’s focus should be Finance. As managers, you have to know where the money is going (Expense Prioritization), and where the money is coming from (Revenue Stream). This is the meat of any worthwhile MBA program.

My final example (I could go on and on, but then I’d bore everyone to death) will sum it all up. We were once doing a strategic analysis in class on the successful strategies of the LingNam restaurant. To my surprise, the strategies in the case were 20 years old (e.g. what strategies did the restaurant implement in 1980, which consequently led to its financial success)! It was obsolete by today’s MBA standards! While other graduate schools study Harvard Cases about companies such as IBM or Enron (e.g. what are their marketing and financial strategies for the years 1999 to 2001), we were studying an old restaurant and its strategies 20 years ago! And these Harvard Cases are readily available on the net! It’s not like they’re difficult to get a hold of.

I finally got sick of everything and decided to take my graduate studies elsewhere.

As a postmortem, my reason for writing this essay is not to bash AGSB. This essay is a guide to all those who are trying to decide where to take their MBA. If it’s a choice between DLSU and AGSB, choose the former.

[jepwi]

hmmm the subject is too tricky... DLSU Professional Schools ARE or DLSU Professional Schools IS (any of the two is correct.. i think.. ehehe, Literally, DLSU Professional Schools - Plural and DLSU Professional Schools IS - considered as a name).. enough of that ****.. ;)

i'm not a student of dlsu-professional schools nor the ateneo professional schools.... kahit pro-up at pro-ateneo ako... i believe, DLSU's MBA program is better than Ateneo's...

why? my cousin is studying that grad course at psi. hmmm.... at RCBC Plaza... he's from la salle, so malamang... dlsu rin *** mag mba...

why is dlsu-psi's mba better than ateneo's? extensive training... my cousin works at Bulacan at kailangan nyang sumugod pa sa RCBC Plaza in Makati just to take an exam. (Hmm... Arent Special Exams given?) Sa tingin nya, indi nagbibigay ng special tests.. Test is test...

come on, enough of these....

NASA SA 'YO YON... whether you choose La Salle or Ateneo... diskarte mo pa rin yon.. Kaya, mag FEU ka na lang! Wahahahha! Joke lang! :D

UP pa rin ako. UP! (Ateneo rin..)

[Archimedes]

san naman mas maraming chiks na nagmmba? sa ateneo o lasalle?

[tesseract]

Now that's the question, isn't it. :D

[paruparaumu]

abroad.

[jason_s]

MBA? Lasalle or Ateneo

I'd say none of the above. Both are diploma mill institutions for business...

I'd say UP or AIM.

Problem though with UP is getting in while matriculation cost with AIM. Both B-Schools offer full time programs.

[zippo_d_frog]

Usually, I would breeze through the exchanges and not comment.

However, I cannot warrant a perception based on insufficient insights and exchanges.

I went to La Salle for my undergraduate studies and eventually enrolled at the Ateneo Graduate School of Business. It was not convenient at all since my work place was still in Binondo and would have to spend considerable amount of effort just to get to the Ateneo Professional Schools building then still housed along HV dela Costa Street, Salcedo Village in Makati.

I chose the Ateneo Graduate School because I wanted to find out the other side of the field knowing that the faculty roster of the DLSU MBA program is no different from the undergraduate faculty roster of undergraduate courses. (or were they just promoted or assigned another task) Nonetheless, wanting fresh insights I enrolled at the Ateneo.

Back in 1990, the faculty of the Ateneo was really good. Imagine the likes of Enrique Davila (former high ranking official of ADB), Tony Perez (now teaching in AIM), George Bagaman (marketing guru), and Ms. Del Rex (who will surely sharpen your english proficiency) and was then headed by Father Ed Martinez (now doing wonders in Ateneo de Davao University). We really had a hard time passing and the mortality rate was high.

However, after going deeper into the curriculum, I have one very significant conclusion - MBA works not because of the professors BUT THE STUDENTS.

Your classmates are the prime determinants of the quality of an MBA education. Once you have intellectual exchanges inside the classroom and relevant experience sharing, learning is accelerated and brought to life. But chances are you will have classmates who are bank tellers, marketing associates, secretaries who CANNOT SHARE ANY RELEVANT EXPERIENCE AT ALL, then your MBA is wasted regardless of school you attend.

Just take AIM, some of my friends said that it is a diploma mill,and these are actually alumni of AIM. The main factor that stood out was that the student population did not have the competence to discuss intelligently on issues they have not experienced at all, thus hampering in classroom learning.

Professors can only do so much. The rest is up to you.

This is also the main reason why people start to question the relevance of an MBA. In fact, Manny Pangilinan boldly expressed his doubt on the relevance of today's MBA program. Sometimes, it is simply not worth it.

[Archimedes]

So I guess parang diploma mill na rin ang AIM. Kaya pala ang daling nakapasa ng classmate ko, knowing na may bagsak siya and mababa grades niya sa college pero he can afford to pay those millions of pesos na tuition hehe

[Archimedes]

Originally posted by prof_x
UP Diliman has the better programme.

According to some friends (UP graduates), Ateneo's MBA programme is very easy... they can afford to review for exams - a few hours before the scheduled exams (something that is not recommended in UP).

Anyway, my friends graduated already -- one is even teaching MBA... in DLSU!



Problema naman kasi sa Diliman e buong book pinapamemorize kaya sinasabi nilang ang hiraaaap , ganun naman parati dyan e

[jason_s]

Originally posted by Archimedes
Problema naman kasi sa Diliman e buong book pinapamemorize kaya sinasabi nilang ang hiraaaap , ganun naman parati dyan e
bakit nakapag-aral ka na ba sa UP??? Ako, sa course ko walang matinding memorization na required pero nahirapan pa rin ako talaga.

[bakekang]

Originally posted by zippo_d_frog
Usually, I would breeze through the exchanges and not comment.

However, I cannot warrant a perception based on insufficient insights and exchanges.

I went to La Salle for my undergraduate studies and eventually enrolled at the Ateneo Graduate School of Business. It was not convenient at all since my work place was still in Binondo and would have to spend considerable amount of effort just to get to the Ateneo Professional Schools building then still housed along HV dela Costa Street, Salcedo Village in Makati.

I chose the Ateneo Graduate School because I wanted to find out the other side of the field knowing that the faculty roster of the DLSU MBA program is no different from the undergraduate faculty roster of undergraduate courses. (or were they just promoted or assigned another task) Nonetheless, wanting fresh insights I enrolled at the Ateneo.

Back in 1990, the faculty of the Ateneo was really good. Imagine the likes of Enrique Davila (former high ranking official of ADB), Tony Perez (now teaching in AIM), George Bagaman (marketing guru), and Ms. Del Rex (who will surely sharpen your english proficiency) and was then headed by Father Ed Martinez (now doing wonders in Ateneo de Davao University). We really had a hard time passing and the mortality rate was high.

However, after going deeper into the curriculum, I have one very significant conclusion - MBA works not because of the professors BUT THE STUDENTS.

Your classmates are the prime determinants of the quality of an MBA education. Once you have intellectual exchanges inside the classroom and relevant experience sharing, learning is accelerated and brought to life. But chances are you will have classmates who are bank tellers, marketing associates, secretaries who CANNOT SHARE ANY RELEVANT EXPERIENCE AT ALL, then your MBA is wasted regardless of school you attend.

Just take AIM, some of my friends said that it is a diploma mill,and these are actually alumni of AIM. The main factor that stood out was that the student population did not have the competence to discuss intelligently on issues they have not experienced at all, thus hampering in classroom learning.

Professors can only do so much. The rest is up to you.

This is also the main reason why people start to question the relevance of an MBA. In fact, Manny Pangilinan boldly expressed his doubt on the relevance of today's MBA program. Sometimes, it is simply not worth it.

I couldn't agree more.

That's exactly the problem with La Salle's MBA program - the students. The curriculum is good; most of the faculty are top-rate but there are a lot of students who can only be characterized as mediocre. Maraming walang managerial (or supervisory man lang) experience para maka-pag-contribute ng valuable insights sa discussions. Maraming nakakaraos by freeloading. Walang contribution sa case studies kundi gumawa lang ng power point presentations. Pag individual case work naman, maraming nag-de-depend lang sa mga case studies na ginawa during the previous terms. They call it Old Testament. Tanong niyo sa mga La Salle MBA students. Alam nila yan.

Dahil nga maraming medicre students, in a lot of cases, in-a-adjust nang mga profs yung standard for passing, kasi kung hindi, maraming babagsak.

I think La Salle GSB should set higher admission standards. While on this subject matter, gawin na rin nila ito sa undergrad.

[mrbig]

bakekang, i'm not sure if you understood zippo d frog's post. he states that he encountered mediocre graduate school classmates in AGSB, not La Salle.

zippo d frog, please enlighten us regarding your experience with AGSB. many people have called it a diploma mill for the following reasons:

1. are the professors very lenient? if you miss an exam, can you make up for it? this was my experience with AGSB. every single darn class was so easy to pass, the program itself was not challenging enough.

2. are the groups too large, and the assignments too easy? my experience with AGSB was this: we would be grouped around 12 to 13, while the assignments could easily be done by 2 or 3 individuals. this type of mba program eventually breeds slackers.

3. are the finance classes walk overs? my experience with AGSB showed me that Ateneo does not have a very good core of professors (save for a few, one of which is a DLSU alumnus) teaching accounting. since finance i feel is the meat of any worthwhile MBA program, it is imperative that finance/accounting classes are taught properly. but what i saw in AGSB was students reviewing 30 minutes before the exam and passing with flying colors! all the accounting classes were so easy, it was impossible to fail. this is NOT how graduate school should be.

hope you can enlighten us zippo.

[Stampede]

Originally posted by mrbig
bakekang, i'm not sure if you understood zippo d frog's post. he states that he encountered mediocre graduate school classmates in AGSB, not La Salle.

zippo d frog, please enlighten us regarding your experience with AGSB. many people have called it a diploma mill for the following reasons:

1. are the professors very lenient? if you miss an exam, can you make up for it? this was my experience with AGSB. every single darn class was so easy to pass, the program itself was not challenging enough.

2. are the groups too large, and the assignments too easy? my experience with AGSB was this: we would be grouped around 12 to 13, while the assignments could easily be done by 2 or 3 individuals. this type of mba program eventually breeds slackers.

3. are the finance classes walk overs? my experience with AGSB showed me that Ateneo does not have a very good core of professors (save for a few, one of which is a DLSU alumnus) teaching accounting. since finance i feel is the meat of any worthwhile MBA program, it is imperative that finance/accounting classes are taught properly. but what i saw in AGSB was students reviewing 30 minutes before the exam and passing with flying colors! all the accounting classes were so easy, it was impossible to fail. this is NOT how graduate school should be.

hope you can enlighten us zippo.

you misunderstood bakekang's as well. appears she went to dlsu grad so she can't really talk about admu. she has the same problems with DLSU grad school as mr zippo does with admu.

[Hulk]

Well if you guys want a short Masters program try AIM's Masters in Management program. It's a full-time 11 month course. It demands you to read at least 100 pages a day, requires you to recite at least 4 times a day, and affords you to sleep a maximum of 4 hours a day. Fun right? Oh yeah it costs US$10,000 and the class severely lack members of the female species. Why did I ever enter this program???!!! :lol:


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[bakekang]

Originally posted by mrbig
bakekang, i'm not sure if you understood zippo d frog's post. he states that he encountered mediocre graduate school classmates in AGSB, not La Salle.

zippo d frog, please enlighten us regarding your experience with AGSB. many people have called it a diploma mill for the following reasons:

1. are the professors very lenient? if you miss an exam, can you make up for it? this was my experience with AGSB. every single darn class was so easy to pass, the program itself was not challenging enough.

2. are the groups too large, and the assignments too easy? my experience with AGSB was this: we would be grouped around 12 to 13, while the assignments could easily be done by 2 or 3 individuals. this type of mba program eventually breeds slackers.

3. are the finance classes walk overs? my experience with AGSB showed me that Ateneo does not have a very good core of professors (save for a few, one of which is a DLSU alumnus) teaching accounting. since finance i feel is the meat of any worthwhile MBA program, it is imperative that finance/accounting classes are taught properly. but what i saw in AGSB was students reviewing 30 minutes before the exam and passing with flying colors! all the accounting classes were so easy, it was impossible to fail. this is NOT how graduate school should be.

hope you can enlighten us zippo.

Oh I perfectly understood zippo's post. I couldn't blame you for thinking I didn't. Medyo misleading nga yung post ko because I started with "I couldn't agree more." I was refering to zippo's comment, to wit: "However, after going deeper into the curriculum, I have one very significant conclusion -MBA works not because of the professors BUT THE STUDENTS." I wasn't referring to zippo's comments about AGSB's MBA, although, reviewing my post now, it certainly looked that way.

Stampde was spot on when he/she surmised that I'm taking my MBA in La Salle. My gripes were therefore directed at the said institution's Graduate School of Business (not at AGSB) particularly, the quality of students it takes in.

[Hulk]

Ok I know a lot of you don't believe in Asiaweek's ratings but here is how they rank Asia's MBA programs:

Part-time MBA Program (Top 30)
10 - University of the Philippines
24 - De La Salle University

Full-Time MBA Program (Top 50)
3 - Asian Institute of Management
24 - University of the Philippines

Executive MBA Program (Top 16)
1 - Asian Institute of Management

Hmmm.... maybe they should have a babe index for MBA programs. :lol:

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[MayorQuimby]

Mga kasama, napansin ko lang na tuwing ranking ng MBA ang pinaguusapan eh palanging yung Asiaweek year 2000 survey ang pinagbabasihan, hindi ba 3 taon na ang nakalipas simula nung nilabas nila yung report na ito.

Bat di nyo subukan tingnan yung Financial Times MBA survey, alam ko yearly nila ina-update ito at nilalabas, isa pa international din ang scope

Internation MBA Program (Full Time) 2003 (http://specials.ft.com/spdocs/FT3543AD2BD.pdf)

International Executive MBA 2002 (http://specials.ft.com/spdocs/FT3KNU6X57D.pdf)

Ang napansin ko, hindi talaga napapasama dito ang programa UP, ADMU, DLSU at UST pagdating sa MBA.

Pati na rin yung pinagmamalaki nating AIM ay wala dito. Malamang ang idadahilan nila eh hindi sila nagparticipate sa survey na ito kaya wala silang spot.

Siguro naman respetado din ang Financial Times pagdating sa ganitong survey. Buti pa nga yung Hong Kong University of Science and Technology at Chinese University of Hong Kong napasama, samantalang tayo talagang wala.

[Hulk]

Yeah the Financial Times is more reliable however it doesn't help those of us who are financially challenged, on what school to choose locally. :D

I believe that our top B-schools (AIM, UP, DLSU & ADMU) did participate but they simply failed to crack the Top 100. As you can see the National University of Singapore merely made the list and it's ranked a notch higher than AIM in the Asiaweek survey. I wish we could see the 101-200 list and see if any of our local schools made the grade.


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[Blueprint]

Originally posted by Hulk
Yeah the Financial Times is more reliable however it doesn't help those of us who are financially challenged, on what school to choose locally. :D

I believe that our top B-schools (AIM, UP, DLSU & ADMU) did participate but they simply failed to crack the Top 100. As you can see the National University of Singapore merely made the list and it's ranked a notch higher than AIM in the Asiaweek survey. I wish we could see the 101-200 list and see if any of our local schools made the grade.


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Frankly, I don't think it really matters what the ranking of the four RP schools you mentioned is, as it is likely na hindi sila magkakalayo. If you're really serious about this scouting business and doing your MBA locally, scrutinize the individual curricula of each program. You'll find that they would have slight variations, and I say choose the program whose curriculum interests you more.

[Hulk]

Curriculum? I thought chicks quantity and quality was more important! :lol:



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[souljah_boy]

my sister graduated from DLSU batch '96 and worked for four years...she said, she took the MBA program in ADMU because there was no MBA in DLSU...and she'll graduate this july at the Ateneo

may MBA ba ang DLSU??? 'cause my sister said, if only DLSU had a MBA program, she would've studied there instead

[eboy73]

Magkano na ba starting salary for a newly minted MBA in the Phils.?
How about 5 years after?

[Archimedes]

so san mas maraming mba chicks? sa ateneo or lasalle mba?

[vinta18]

Originally posted by souljah_boy
my sister graduated from DLSU batch '96 and worked for four years...she said, she took the MBA program in ADMU because there was no MBA in DLSU...and she'll graduate this july at the Ateneo

may MBA ba ang DLSU??? 'cause my sister said, if only DLSU had a MBA program, she would've studied there instead

Ano ba namang klaseng Lasallista yang kapatid mo? :) Antagal nang may MBA sa DLSU.

[Hulk]

Originally posted by zippo_d_frog
Usually, I would breeze through the exchanges and not comment.

However, I cannot warrant a perception based on insufficient insights and exchanges.

I went to La Salle for my undergraduate studies and eventually enrolled at the Ateneo Graduate School of Business. It was not convenient at all since my work place was still in Binondo and would have to spend considerable amount of effort just to get to the Ateneo Professional Schools building then still housed along HV dela Costa Street, Salcedo Village in Makati.

I chose the Ateneo Graduate School because I wanted to find out the other side of the field knowing that the faculty roster of the DLSU MBA program is no different from the undergraduate faculty roster of undergraduate courses. (or were they just promoted or assigned another task) Nonetheless, wanting fresh insights I enrolled at the Ateneo.

Back in 1990, the faculty of the Ateneo was really good. Imagine the likes of Enrique Davila (former high ranking official of ADB), Tony Perez (now teaching in AIM), George Bagaman (marketing guru), and Ms. Del Rex (who will surely sharpen your english proficiency) and was then headed by Father Ed Martinez (now doing wonders in Ateneo de Davao University). We really had a hard time passing and the mortality rate was high.

However, after going deeper into the curriculum, I have one very significant conclusion - MBA works not because of the professors BUT THE STUDENTS.

Your classmates are the prime determinants of the quality of an MBA education. Once you have intellectual exchanges inside the classroom and relevant experience sharing, learning is accelerated and brought to life. But chances are you will have classmates who are bank tellers, marketing associates, secretaries who CANNOT SHARE ANY RELEVANT EXPERIENCE AT ALL, then your MBA is wasted regardless of school you attend.

Just take AIM, some of my friends said that it is a diploma mill,and these are actually alumni of AIM. The main factor that stood out was that the student population did not have the competence to discuss intelligently on issues they have not experienced at all, thus hampering in classroom learning.

Professors can only do so much. The rest is up to you.

This is also the main reason why people start to question the relevance of an MBA. In fact, Manny Pangilinan boldly expressed his doubt on the relevance of today's MBA program. Sometimes, it is simply not worth it.

I have to agree with Zippo here, STUDENTS DETERMINE THE SUCCESS OF THE CLASS.

It's a thing of beauty to see members of the class argue and disagree based on their experiences. It's nice to see students taking and defending extreme positions in given scenarios.

A friend of mine related her experience from one of the schools mentioned here, that her class cringed at her suggestion to lay-off workers in a case. Obviously her classmates has yet to realize that firing is a management prerogative and a very viable options given certain situations.

It's also an advanatge if the class is composed of students from diverse fields such as engineering, law, medicine, the military, religious vocations etc., instead of having a class of business majors. Foreigner classmates are also a big plus as they offer their own cultural experiences into the discussion.

If you want these advanatges, try AIM's MM program, they require students to have a minimum of three years worth of managerial experience. I think Ateneo's new Regis program will also be imposing these requirements.

AIM diploma mill? Hey if AIM is a diploma mill with it's relatively small population, what do you call the other schools? A super-mega-ultra diploma factory? :lol:


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[[JZ] Nightmare]

ust graduate school. :bounce:

[zippo_d_frog]

Originally posted by mrbig
bakekang, i'm not sure if you understood zippo d frog's post. he states that he encountered mediocre graduate school classmates in AGSB, not La Salle.

zippo d frog, please enlighten us regarding your experience with AGSB. many people have called it a diploma mill for the following reasons:

1. are the professors very lenient? if you miss an exam, can you make up for it? this was my experience with AGSB. every single darn class was so easy to pass, the program itself was not challenging enough.

2. are the groups too large, and the assignments too easy? my experience with AGSB was this: we would be grouped around 12 to 13, while the assignments could easily be done by 2 or 3 individuals. this type of mba program eventually breeds slackers.

3. are the finance classes walk overs? my experience with AGSB showed me that Ateneo does not have a very good core of professors (save for a few, one of which is a DLSU alumnus) teaching accounting. since finance i feel is the meat of any worthwhile MBA program, it is imperative that finance/accounting classes are taught properly. but what i saw in AGSB was students reviewing 30 minutes before the exam and passing with flying colors! all the accounting classes were so easy, it was impossible to fail. this is NOT how graduate school should be.

hope you can enlighten us zippo.



Hey Mr. Big,

Thanks for the query and I will answer them relative to the experience I have had during my time.

(1) Professors back in 1990 was not lenient at all. They were brutally frank and would jolt you once you failed to discuss a subject in depth and with business sense. I have had teachers who flunked more than 30% of the class simply because they could not handle the subject and do not deserve to pass.

(2) During my time, the maximum size of each group was four and in some classes 6. But never have I experienced exceeding this number.

(3) I took up all my finance subjects under Professor Enrique Davila, a former ADB high ranking executive. He is the type who would throw your paper back to your seat when he evaluates that your paper does not make any sense or you do not know what you were doing. I liked the discipline and subsequently the teachings because he taught us to be on our toes, to know the figures and relate it a split second after it is asked. He also taught in depth financial analysis going deeper than financial ratios and how to make sense by relating each ratio in deriving the financial condition conclusion of a company. Furthermore, I was fortunate to have Mr. Ackerman as my Financial Markets course who taught us the technical aspects of evaluating investment avenues. Between 1990 to 1995, the finance subjects of the AGSB was definitely not a walk in the park.

I stopped when I was suppose to submit my thesis and wenrt back to the Ateneo five years later. There were subject penalties and I was astonished on the quality of teachers we have. THEY WERE REALLY TERRIBLE. Being more experienced, I found my classmates too boring and a liability in group discussions. I found myself arguing with the professors to the extent that the professors wanted me to graduate so bad that they gave me a 4.0 grade in my thesis.

And the teachers all celebrated when I graduated. I was the only student that the entire faculty roster rejoiced when I marched last April 2000 at the Irwin Hall.

I believe teachers and facilities can only contribute so much. Professors are reduced to discussion facilitators and students become mere spectator to the discussion.

Enroll in a senior executive program and notice a world of difference.

I hope I was able to answer your queries.

[bluemax]

I think this is why ADMU has MBA for Middle Managers as well as the Ateneo-Regis MBA. According to the published entry requirements, you have to have at least five or six years of work experience, preferably in a supervisory capacity.

[all_da_love]

Originally posted by Hulk
Curriculum? I thought chicks quantity and quality was more important! :lol:



:frank:


panalo ka pare! kinakabahan na rin ako!
:D :D :D

[ccs]

Aren't some of the books used for the UP MBA used for some Management Engineering undergrad courses? I think they have the same book for Accounting and Finance.

[vinta18]

^^^ In DLSU, if you're not a Finance or Accounting major, they ask you to take some back subjects to put you up to speed when you take your MBA majors. Hence, they use undergrad books.

[jump]

*bump*

[blackbox999]

Originally posted by prof_x
UP Diliman has the better programme.

According to some friends (UP graduates), Ateneo's MBA programme is very easy... they can afford to review for exams - a few hours before the scheduled exams (something that is not recommended in UP).

Anyway, my friends graduated already -- one is even teaching MBA... in DLSU!


bakit ba hindi ko mahanap sa reply na ito ang sagot sa tanong?

ay, oo nga pala...bashing in disguise nga pala ito...

[LINGGIT^F]

^^^ In DLSU, if you're not a Finance or Accounting major, they ask you to take some back subjects to put you up to speed when you take your MBA majors. Hence, they use undergrad books.

i remember when my older brother took up mba units in la salle years ago, he was already a supervisor at that time. my bro was a graduate of ust college of architecture. so obviously, when he enrolled in mba studies, the curriculum was totally different and he was able to encounter new subjects since architecture was way too far from management. but since he was already a supervisor at that time, he can relate very well with their group works and discussions because of his experience. he was pretty satisfied with la salle's mba program because of the good curriculum and he became part of a class with well-experienced people. i can still remember when he showed me some of the books which they used for the program..i remember him using a certain accounting book specially prepared for mba students who did not have accountancy background..same with some of his subjects. but since he was promoted for a managerial position at that time, he wasnt able to finish his mba studies anymore due to conflict in schedule. anyway, since im also finished with my undergrad course already, he advised me to wait for few more years before i take mba since like what everyone says here, you couldnt participate well in the group discussions and the program itself if you lack experience or your work experience is not that enough yet. coz at that time, eventhough most of my brother's classmates were well-experienced already, he still had classmates who were just new in the business world and he also had classmates who didnt have good working experiences so they couldnt do well in class.

[RECORDER]

Ateneo.

Other good MBA schools: UP and UST

Better: Abroad na lang. :D Joke joke joke

[jtwothree]

Of Course, when it comes to business education, ATENEO na 'yan.
AGSB has been producing topnotch executives. Ok din naman ang curriculum sa AGSB. Sa LaSalle, super ok nga ang curriculum, pero ang mga ka-klase mo naman e, mga secretaria, junior accountant, Analyst I, puro mga entry-level position. Parang FOR SALE talaga ang LaSalle Education. Kahit sino pwedeng mag-MBA, kahit kakagraduate mo pa lang sa DLSU-Main. Anong matutununan mo sa group discussion about management solutions?
Kung ihahambing natin sa larong Pusoy Dos ang MBA, sa Ateneo, pangkaraniwan ang baraha, pero mga ASTIG ang naglalaro, kaya super ganda ng laban. Sa LaSalle, aba, Ginto ang baraha, sobrang ganda ang table na ginagamit, pero mga GRADE 2 ang naglalaro. kaya 'lang 'wenta ang laro. :D

[blackbox999]

Originally posted by jtwothree
Of Course, when it comes to business education, ATENEO na 'yan.
AGSB has been producing topnotch executives. Ok din naman ang curriculum sa AGSB. Sa LaSalle, super ok nga ang curriculum, pero ang mga ka-klase mo naman e, mga secretaria, junior accountant, Analyst I, puro mga entry-level position. Parang FOR SALE talaga ang LaSalle Education. Kahit sino pwedeng mag-MBA, kahit kakagraduate mo pa lang sa DLSU-Main. Anong matutununan mo sa group discussion about management solutions?
Kung ihahambing natin sa larong Pusoy Dos ang MBA, sa Ateneo, pangkaraniwan ang baraha, pero mga ASTIG ang naglalaro, kaya super ganda ng laban. Sa LaSalle, aba, Ginto ang baraha, sobrang ganda ang table na ginagamit, pero mga GRADE 2 ang naglalaro. kaya 'lang 'wenta ang laro. :D


dapat hindi ka na lang nagreply...na-enganyo lang sila mag-DLSU e...

[jtwothree]

Originally posted by blackbox999
dapat hindi ka na lang nagreply...na-enganyo lang sila mag-DLSU e...

Bakit? madami bang Secretaria at Analyst 1 dito na may balak mag-MBA? :)

Obserbasyon ko lang po, ksi ang mga nag-e-MBA sa La Salle, lalu na sa RCBC, eh yung mga naka-isip lang na mag-MBA. Yung tipong napakaluwag ng work schedule, o nagkayayaan yung dating magka-blockmates. O yung ka-officemate mo na isa ring baguhan sa COmpany na nagte-take ng MBA.
Sa ibang MBA schools like AGSB, UP CBA and UA&P, eh talagang may mga Managerial experiences na. Sobrang matatalino ang mga kaklase mo. yung lang po. ;)

[zilapus]

Originally posted by RECORDER
Ateneo.

Other good MBA schools: UP and UST

Better: Abroad na lang. :D Joke joke joke


UST? joke nga yata ang post mo.:confused:

The best grad school obviously is The AGSB. Followed closely by AIM, Lasalle, then UP.

[cHaSeR]

Originally posted by zilapus
UST? joke nga yata ang post mo.:confused:

The best grad school obviously is The AGSB. Followed closely by AIM, Lasalle, then UP.

Really? I never knew the Ateneo Graduate School of Business was better than the Asian Institute of Management. In your dreams maybe.

AIM has always been better than the AGSB or the DLSU-GSB.

[dingclancy23]

From ASIAWEEK: asia's best MBA schools 2000

Eighty-two MBA schools in Asia were asked to rate each other, but not themselves, on a scale of 1 (inadequate) to 5 (world-class) on academic reputation.

Eight international business schools also gave ratings: Anderson School at UCLA, Haas School of Business, IMD, INSEAD, Kellogg Graduate School of Management, Richard Ivey School of Business,Rotterdam School of Management and Wharton School. In addition, 130 Asian companies were asked to rate the MBA schools in their country. The respondents were asked not to give a grade if they felt they had no basis for making a judgment. The ratings for each school were totaled and divided by the number of respondents that ga

[dingclancy23]

From ASIAWEEK: asia's best MBA schools 2000

Eighty-two MBA schools in Asia were asked to rate each other, but not themselves, on a scale of 1 (inadequate) to 5 (world-class) on academic reputation.

Eight international business schools also gave ratings: Anderson School at UCLA, Haas School of Business, IMD, INSEAD, Kellogg Graduate School of Management, Richard Ivey School of Business,Rotterdam School of Management and Wharton School. In addition, 130 Asian companies were asked to rate the MBA schools in their country. The respondents were asked not to give a grade if they felt they had no basis for making a judgment. The ratings for each school were totaled and divided by the number of respondents that gave grades for the particular school - those that abstained were not included.

By Reputation
Rank
School
3 Asian Institute of Management (Philippines)
24 College of Business Administration (University of the Philippines)
29 Graduate School of Business (De La Salle University, Philippines)




Best Full-Time MBA's
Rank
School
3 Asian Institute of Management (Philippines)
24 University of the Philippines (College of Business Administration)




Best Part-Time MBA's
Rank
School
10 University of the Philippines (College of Business Administration)
24 De La Salle University, Philippines (Graduate School of Business)




Best Executive MBA's
Rank
School
1 Asian Institute of Management (Philippines)


AGSB did not participate in the survey...
again it may have flaws... but it is still an honest survey....

I would place AGSB at number 27... in my opinion......

[dingclancy23]

kuwento ko lang yung nangyari sa tita ko na AGSB
well Doktora at Mayaman naman siya kaya sirurokumuha lang siya ng MBA sa Ateneo.. pampalipas oras siguro...

Then nagkaroon sila ng group activity mga groupmates niya e mga executives and managers... pero kahit isa hirap na hirap sa activity na yun na kailangan pako tawagin (2nd year ako UP Economics).....

De o cge matignan na rin kahit di ko pa napapagaaralan... Quantitative Management lang pala.. sisiw... de sinagutan ko naman pinagpuyatan ko rin yun... kasi medyo mahaba at kahit sisiw lang e mapapaisip ka rin... kinabukasan prinesent ko sa kanila yung mga answers... natuwa naman sila at may answer na sila... di rin ako sigurado kung tama o mali...

[dingclancy23]

kuwento ko lang yung nangyari sa tita ko na AGSB
well Doktora at Mayaman naman siya kaya sirurokumuha lang siya ng MBA sa Ateneo.. pampalipas oras siguro...

Then nagkaroon sila ng group activity mga groupmates niya e mga executives and managers... pero kahit isa hirap na hirap sa activity na yun na kailangan pako tawagin (2nd year ako UP Economics).....

De o cge matignan na rin kahit di ko pa napapagaaralan... Quantitative Management lang pala.. sisiw... de sinagutan ko naman pinagpuyatan ko rin yun... kasi medyo mahaba at kahit sisiw lang e mapapaisip ka rin... kinabukasan prinesent ko sa kanila yung mga answers... natuwa naman sila at may answer na sila... di rin ako sigurado kung tama o mali... basta kinuha nalang nila yung answer at pinasa.... may bonus tuloy ako sa tita ko.. heheheheh...

tapos biglang sabi nila sakin na pagagawa lahat ng activities nila..aba di ko na pinatulan ang daming kong ginagawa e.... na bwisit ako ang ganda pa naman ng handbook/workbook ng AGSB ito lang pala mga estudyante..... pinarefer ko na lang sa mga taga IE (industrial engineering) sa up... ayun.. kabwisit.... parang hobby....
tsk tsk...

buti na lang kaya ng econ powers ko... hehehehe

[slickmugen_13]

May I ask how much is the tuition fee for an MBA course in Ateneo, La Salle, AIM, UA&P, and UST? And also, do these schools easily recognize Bachelor degree holder's conferred abroad...Australian degrees to be exact?...ano mga special arrangements?

pasensya kung medyo off-topic yun tanong:D

[pale_pilsen]

Originally posted by jtwothree
pero ang mga ka-klase mo naman e, mga secretaria, junior accountant, Analyst I, puro mga entry-level position.

pardon my ignorance, but what's an Analyst I? (like a first-year analyst at an i-bank?)

[Sid]

Originally posted by Archimedes
Which school has a better mba program? I know that both
have a part time mba programs but which is cheaper and better?
San maraming magandang chicks na rin?

THEN BETTER CHECK THIS OUT.....

1-DLSU
2-AIM
3-UP???
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.69-ADMU

http://www.rateitall.com/Topic.asp?I=7ABE5F29-EA1E-4EBC-BB97-023918247BBFhttp://www.rateitall.com/Topic.asp?I=7ABE5F29-EA1E-4EBC-BB97-023918247BBF

[dingclancy23]

UP has the best MBA program

[jump]

*bump*

[yellowRanger]

AIM and others....

taking an mba is a matter of personal choice even if you finish yours from "posh elite schools" such as aim or ateneo, or schools from the universitybelt area, it all boils down to what you have learned and not from who you were with!(ofcourse it does help) but most mba schools follows exactly the same system so you cant really tell the difference.. from what i know almost all mba schools within the metro are populated with either working yuppies, teaching oldies or young-rich-bum who finds time to explore the other side of learning one that is not in a box(class room type), so the result would be depend not on the schools but on the students.

here at work our boss(whose a graduate of ateneo and went on and took his MBA at MIT-USA) is embarking on a project to put his learning into good use by spreading what he knew base on modules and actual business practice, by creating a once a week university for employees who wants to learn the module type learning of MIT-MBA program and much as i want to attend one, we dont have time. So I'm surprise to find out how some of us here claims supremacy over the other when infact the learning is not solely dependent on what school you came from but is definitely dependent on the attitude of the person whose taking the actual program!

if you only knew what life is after school then you'd stop these petty bickering over whose best and whose not.

[charlie_g]

If it were an MBA in the Philippines, it would either be UP or AIM.

UP's main advantage over AIM is the affordable tuition charges. The whole MBA programme costs 3,000 US Dollars only. According to MBA graduates that have direct knowledge about the two prestigious B-Schools, the UP MBA lays its strength in Finance, Accounting and Marketing. Because this B-School charges cheaper than AIM, it appeared that it is harder to get into UP-MBA than AIM’s MBM.
UP MBA’s alumni include: Former Speaker of the House and Billionaire Manny Villar; AMA Computer University founder Amable Aguiluz; and Multi-millionaire, educator and President/CEO of French Baker John Lu Kua.

AIM's main advantage over UP is the internationalization of its student composition. Almost half of AIM's students are from outside the Philippines. AIM is also quite popular in Asia, particularly in the Southeast Asian Region. AIM’s 2-year MBM programme costs 16,000 US Dollars.
Over 60 percent of the faculty members of AIM are UP graduates. AIM’s MBM is not an enticing programme for most UP graduates although they still account more 10 percent of the B-School’s student population in each year.
Majority of those UP graduates who can afford to shell out 16,000 US dollars for further studies usually ended up taking it at Harvard, Stanford, Kellogg, London Business School, INSEAD - France, IMD, Warwick, Oxford-Said, The Judge Institue of the University of Cambridge or at Cranfield.

La Salle's MBA is okay if you can't get into UP. It's tuition fee is a little cheaper too compared to UP's.

And as for Ateneo's MBA, well, I do not mean to bash but its MBA programme is a joke.

UST's MBA are for those desperate to get an additional qualification. Its student composition consists of mediocre graduates from UE, Adamson, PSBA, |CEU, Letran and the like.

[urs2pid]

AIM and Ateneo are the only viable choices in the Philippines. The rest are laughable. You defrinitely don't want to go to a "commie" university to study business, do you?

[jtwothree]

Originally posted by pale_pilsen
pardon my ignorance, but what's an Analyst I? (like a first-year analyst at an i-bank?)

any entry-level position.

[Hoodwink_Parish]

It's AIM or bust. AIM was formed initially by Ateneo but La Salle wanted a piece of the action and so a partnership was born. AIM is an affiliate of Harvard Business School. Please visit www.aim.edu.ph to learn more about its history.

The other schools are just other schools.

[meyrs17]

ya... i truly agree that it's only AIM...

but there is always UP and lasalle... only...

but since the title of the thread is MBA? Lasalle or Ateneo , ill answer it with all honesty...

just check this out....

http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/mba/data/philippines.html

what do you think? is there any ateneo there????? i dont think so

[jtwothree]

engot, Ateneo did not participate in Aisaweek's survey.

[Thoma§]

originally posted by charlie_g
UST's MBA are for those desperate to get an additional qualification. Its student composition consists of mediocre graduates from UE, Adamson, PSBA, |CEU, Letran and the like.
How about considering the likes of Sycip? We don't have flashy buildings but we do have lots of silent names to feign. So there. After realizing the last time that you've been praising another thomasian helping out your university, you'll be more surprised to know that many thomasians did become pillars of your university. So stop being too haughty, your school needs other schools too to lift its standards whether you like it or not. It's an open system. I don't care about your personal options it's your prerogative but the derogative talks, deplorable claims and the atrocious use of grammar are all irritating. Damn. I dunno when will this crap [alternick business] stop.

[Greener_Manure]

AIM is the best in the Philippines. If you can't make it to AIM, Ateneo is the next choice. If you can't make it to either, then forget it.

[Hoodwink_Parish]

If you don't make it to AIM go abroad. The rest are for rejects with the excepetion of U.P.

[PRINCE_WILLIAM]

Originally posted by Thoma§
How about considering the likes of Sycip? We don't have flashy buildings but we do have lots of silent names to feign. So there. After realizing the last time that you've been praising another thomasian helping out your university, you'll be more surprised to know that many thomasians did become pillars of your university. So stop being too haughty, your school needs other schools too to lift its standards whether you like it or not. It's an open system. I don't care about your personal options it's your prerogative but the derogative talks, deplorable claims and the atrocious use of grammar are all irritating. Damn. I dunno when will this crap [alternick business] stop.

Did Sycip earn his MBA from UST? Remember, we are talking about MBA here, not undergraduate business programmes.

Again, UST's MBA are for those who needed additional qualification to get promoted from a secretarial post to perhaps, account executive or anything near that level... Its student composition is nothing near AIM's or UP's. Graduates from the Big-3 never go to UST for MBA studies, that would be a downward path for them. MBA students in UST come from Letran, CEU, Adamson, Feati, PUP, UST, Lyceum and the like.


...and the atrocious use of grammar are all irritating.
No wonder why you get irritated to yourself from time to time... :D

[Ischaramoochie]

i know people from UP taking up MBA's in UST :D

[Thoma§]

Prince_William
Nah, why should I listen to you? You can't even distinguish the difference between its and it's.

Does your school has any?
Damn. You don't get irritated by this kind of sentence? (that you constructed) or you simply just don't know what you're saying? *gloats* Don't pretend to be literate because you're simply not.

That's it! You're an official illiterate pretending to be literate.

[vroom22]

pardon for my ignorance

but how do you enroll for an MBA? May exam pa ba or what?

[Thoma§]

Try phone inquiries first. :)

[genx77]

i'm not so sure abt the procedure in ust's mba.

off-topic: however, in their ma programs, they only require you to submit a transcript. after which, they will decide if u need to fulfill other requirements. for example, if ur undergrad major is different from the grad course u wish to take, they may ask u to take additional units in the undergrad level. the minimum requirement is 18 units. i think the latter rule applies to most grad schools and their offerings.

bact to the topic: in aim, u have to pass their admissions test. gmat can also be a substitute.

dlsu, up and ateneo require u to pass their respective admissions exams.

before that, u also have to understand that these schools put a premium on work experience. schools differ on that. (for example up requires 1 year work experience for its fulltime mba program). if u have 2-3 years of work experience, then generally u can apply. nevertheless, bear in mind that some mba programs also require specific supervisory or managerial experience.

when u pass the entrance exam, your degree would have to be evaluated. additionally, since not all applicants are business grads, they have to take pre-mba courses so as to prepare them for the actual mba subjects (in the case of dlsu and ateneo). these subjects, i think are generally pass or fail courses. but i heard in dlsu, that one actually receives grades on these subjects. however, these will not be included in the compution of one's mba gpa but will be considered as credited undergrad units (?). kindly verify.

i heard that up, aim and la salle's mba programs are highly quantitative in nature. up is the most quantitative daw?

in my view, u go to mba schools not just to further ur studies and qualifications but moreso to establish a good network for possible connections in the future. if ur sch does not have a very promising student composition in its program then maybe ur mba degree remains a degree.

likewise, the mba student is always at the mercy of his or her classmates (or any grad course). if their backgrounds are insufficient and they have so-so contributions to ur group case studies, then the essence of taking mba becomes meaningless.

to answer the thread's question: ateneo or la salle? i'll pick la salle this time. if u include up-d, then definitely i'll go to up-d. if u add aim, i'd rather study abroad and pick a very good mba school.

good luck.

[charlie_g]

Originally posted by Thoma§

Nah, why should I listen to you? You can't even distinguish the difference between its and it's.

you must be referring to Ischaramoochie, your obvious schoolmate. check the thread again.

Damn. You don't get irritated by this kind of sentence? (that you constructed) or you simply just don't know what you're saying? *gloats* Don't pretend to be literate because you're simply not.

That's it! You're an official illiterate pretending to be literate.

manong tomas, I know you're quite conscious with your grammar and I can understand why you are like that. Coming from a school that has a reputation for UPCAT, DLSCET and ACET rejects, you are obviously more driven to prove your worth even in writing proficiency. It’s really cheap and absolutely pathetic! But this has always characterized what a Tomasian really is, cheap and cheap! Wah class! Purely nonsense!
No matter how flamboyant you aspire to come out here, your being a Tomasian says who you really are. Cheap! Wah class!
Sorry, dude if your low I.Q. is not good enough for you to get you to any of the so-called big-3. You should have studied more during your high school days. In that way, you must not have developed insecurities towards other people who are obviously above you.


By the way, your piece above is poorly constructed, not to mention not self-ruling for English construction rules.

Consider revising: You don't get irritated by this kind of sentence?

To: This kind of sentence doesn’t irritate you?

See for yourself, which between the two sentences is more apropos. if you don't know the answer, ask your English teacher. Maybe he/she can refresh your kinalawang brain.

and, considering that you’re already a Writer, was an editor of your school paper, you read literary works, you proofread, proofread, proofread, and proofread again, the whole nine yards... etc, etc, but you continuously commit errors, boy, I believe it’s about time that you shift career. I have yet to remember a piece you wrote that impressed anyone here.





Ont: La Salle has a better MBA program. But, if we have to include UP amongst the choices, then UP is the best option. If have money to pay for an AIM MBM, better do your MBA abroad.

[reyna_elena]

Originally posted by charlie_g
you must be referring to Ischaramoochie, your obvious schoolmate. check the thread again.



manong tomas, I know you're quite conscious with your grammar and I can understand why you are like that. Coming from a school that has a reputation for UPCAT, DLSCET and ACET rejects, you are obviously more driven to prove your worth even in writing proficiency. It’s really cheap and absolutely pathetic! But this has always characterized what a Tomasian really is, cheap and cheap! Wah class! Purely nonsense!
No matter how flamboyant you aspire to come out here, your being a Tomasian says who you really are. Cheap! Wah class!
Sorry, dude if your low I.Q. is not good enough for you to get you to any of the so-called big-3. You should have studied more during your high school days. In that way, you must not have developed insecurities towards other people who are obviously above you.


By the way, your piece above is poorly constructed, not to mention not self-ruling for English construction rules.

Consider revising:

To: This kind of sentence doesn’t irritate you?

See for yourself, which between the two sentences is more apropos. if you don't know the answer, ask your English teacher. Maybe he/she can refresh your kinalawang brain.

and, considering that you’re already a Writer, was an editor of your school paper, you read literary works, you proofread, proofread, proofread, and proofread again, the whole nine yards... etc, etc, but you continuously commit errors, boy, I believe it’s about time that you shift career. I have yet to remember a piece you wrote that impressed anyone here.





Ont: La Salle has a better MBA program. But, if we have to include UP amongst the choices, then UP is the best option. If have money to pay for an AIM MBM, better do your MBA abroad.


uy,charlie_g. di ba ikaw din si Prince_william? ikaw yung laging tinitira ng mga chipipay tomasians, and insecured TAEneans? dahil boobo ka sa english?> pero proud UPian. :) pero para ngang ang bobo mo sa English. ahihihih

[charlie_g]

Originally posted by reyna_elena
uy,charlie_g. di ba ikaw din si Prince_william? ikaw yung laging tinitira ng mga chipipay tomasians, and insecured TAEneans? dahil boobo ka sa english?> pero proud UPian. :) pero para ngang ang bobo mo sa English. ahihihih
appear tayo. :D

di bale, masmatalino pa rin ako sa kanila. lahat naman yan bumagsak sa UPCAT. dito, nagkakamali ako. pero, lahat din naman sila bohboh sa englis, diba? diba? :D

[Ischaramoochie]

:laugh: ergo, mababa ang standard ng UP sa english proficiency? or hindi mo lang kaya sabayan yung mga kaklase mo sa english? because in fairness, i know several students from UP with excellent english. :laugh:

you must be referring to Ischaramoochie, your obvious schoolmate. check the thread again.

charlie_g: dummy, it's (take not how it is used. as "its" is a possessive term, unlike "it's," which is a contraction of "it is") not the phrase "your obvious schoolmate" but "obviously your schoolmate" that should be used. please be careful of your grammar. maybe you should put: "no english! no english!" as your personal sig. or instead, you might just want to stick to speaking in filipino.

and besides, you must be delusional. my only other post in the thread, aside from this is "i know people from UP taking up MBA's in UST." i see no mention of the terms "its" or "it's" there. clearly, some people are having trouble distinguishing hallucination from reality. :rolleyes:


p.p.s. i passed the UPCAT but a COE status in my course meant more to me.

[Thoma§]

Tsk. tsk. tsk. Wrong! It doesn't (does not) matter actually if you choose the active or opt for the passive voice. It just adds to the style, it adds more impact (usually for news writing prefer the active than the passive), but definitely it's (It is) not a grammatical lapse. It's (It is) just a matter of language option and style. Literatis, most of the time use the passive voice so that it may jibe with measure and sound. If you're (You are) irritated by the passive voice, then so be it. I guess you're (You are) not accustomed to the rigors and play of the language. Boy, if we dismiss literary propensity in elitism, how is the craft suppose to flourish? You're (You are) obviously killing a discipline, that helps knowledge get across, because of your (possessive -- meaning ownership) ignorance.

I hope you comprehend what 'contractions' mean now and I hope the clues (set in parenthesis) will succor you. 'Wawa ka naman eh.

Unlike this one:
Does you school has any?
Simply 'cheap' and 'annoying'. Nangarap ka pang mag-MBA. Go back to English 101 and Philosophy 2 (Logic). Kailangan mo 'yan (niyan). Hindi ko nga dinadamay yang school mo, kasi alam ko, ang mga isko at iska na kilala ko'y (ko ay) matatalino 'di (hindi) tulad mo na contractions pa lang eh nakakahiya na.

you must be referring to Ischaramoochie, your obvious schoolmate. check the thread again.
Leave Ischaramoochie out of this, i'm (I am) sure it's (It is) you who committed the blunder. Now, see the difference? Damn. I'm (I am) paying taxes to see 'deserving' scholars improve this society, disappointing ka. Eh sa lakas mong magyabang na ikumpara ang mga schools dito sa schools sa abroad (pa-harvard harvard ka pa diyan) mukhang hindi ka naman pakikinabangan ng bayan mo.

[charlie_g]

So, tapos ka na Ischaramoochie aka Thoma§?

Again, you still come out cheap and downright trying-hard. but I’m not surprised. you're a tomasian, eh. that's a trademark of a tomasino, diba? diba?
No matter how hard you try to prove to us that your English is good, I still think it's second-rate. you obviously lack class and your posts are often short of substance. You seem to know a bit of the English grammar rules. But what good does it give you when you can hardly construct a good sentence? moreover, even if you can barely write a sentence, you can't seem to express your point. Most of the time, I even muse if you can write to articulate a point. If you were talking to me face-to-face, i figure you were stammering and slurring.
Again, I can’t remember you wrote a piece with intelligence. Review all you posts. They're quite dull and boring. So, what's with the overconfidence to pretend to be a god in English grammar rules?
Nevertheless, if you think you can convince some people here that your IQ is as high as those of the UPians, dream on, dude. Yours is nowhere close to it and the reason is quite obvious. Even your educational background (AB from UST har har...) can define who you are and can tell us up to what extent can you be intellectual. I have already squeezed you. I mean, that mongo brain of yours. The squeezing was even done tightly. Yet, not a single drop came out. Poor you. You already gave your all. I've seen it. I was never impressed with your best. You majored a Language course in UST, right? then you are a perfect example of what UST can produce. Enough of this crap. enough of your bull$hit. you're obviously below me.

Btw, I never wanted to study MBA. I'm a premed student. I don’t want to be out of topic the next time around.



OnT:
De La Salle’s MBA programme is better than Ateneo’s. Even BA, BAA, Econ, BE and IE graduates from UP would definitely pick it by any given chance over that of Ateneo’s.
But the best MBA in the country is the one administered by UP CBA. Also, UP MBA students are way smarter than AIM’s and their graduates are holding better positions in giant corporations here and abroad. Mac_bolan0, Manual Villar, John Lu Kua, Amable Aguiluz are some of the programmes’ products.

[Ischaramoochie]

aww, what a pity. charlie_g can't even reasonably justify his own assertions. instead he resorts to downplaying me, my thomasian colleague (you do know what that means, yes?), my academic credentials, and UST in general. anyway, you're right that i'm a bachelor (who's about to become a master by the next semester) of arts, although i did not major in a language course. i graduated from the intellectually elite course of AB Philosophy from UST, which by the way carries a CHED-COE status (something UP's Philo program can salivate at). and to put it bluntly, my IQ is way above even most UP students (yes, that includes you, assuming you are really from UP). actually, you haven't squeezed me (or my brain) dry, it's just that i don't see the point of engaging in an intellectual discussion with the petty topics you may concoct from that obsolete microprocessor of yours that you normally call a brain. of course, if you want to try and engage me in a conversation worthy of my time, please do so, but in the appropriate forum, namely the PEx Realm Of Thought (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=21) of course, that is if you have the balls AND the brains to do so. if not, well, you're just wasting my time.

in any case, i see that you have spelled someone's pseudonym (yes, another word for your limited vocabulary) erroneously. it's Mac_bolan00 (zero-zero). and may i also add that he does not approve of you insulting his wife's alma mater, which is, and will always be part of who she is.

oh, and another thing, Thoma§ is an AB Economics major. so perhaps you might want to consider the principle of non-contradiction and laws identity. that is, assuming you've understood them well.

so come on, be a man (and that is, a rational animal) and stop being petty, impertinent, irrelevant, and illogical. it's bad for you, it's bad for your school, it's bad for the other sensible people from UP, and it really sounds bad.

[borsju]

to UP die-hards: it is funny that you give premium to IQ more than the integral character of the human person. IQ is just one of the things! Yeah, your institute has produced alumi with brilliant minds: marcos, angara, "brenda!", among others -- not to mention those eccentric psuedo-scientists and pretentious artists! but, what has become of the philippines because of their leadership? their super IQ's could simply not generate a difference?
senator Engot Angongot - former UP heavyweight... has he contributed an iota of wisdom in the senate? wasn't he an epitome of brillance for the UP studes, then?
those editors of phillipine collegian -- the likes of "brenda" -- what have become of them? clangging bells, noisy cymbals, nuisance sounds...envelopmental journalists?
has there been a single up alumnus whose wit has made his barangay free of garbage litter? none! because he himself is the number one garbage problem in his barangay! bwaha-ha-ha-ha!

[Ischaramoochie]

now now, let's not bash UP itself. it's the individuals that make the institution look bad, if we are to bash, then we might as well bash them. so there.

[kundera_tan]

to borsju:
i don't get it.......
why would you blame UP for the "misbehavior" of those individuals you mentioned????
the things is, there are actually a lot factors that might have influenced whatever made them do what they did.

your argument is soooo fallacious.
non-sequitur.

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
now now, let's not bash UP itself. it's the individuals that make the institution look bad, if we are to bash, then we might as well bash them. so there.
bashing? i am pointing out a reality that UP has become. the individuals are receipients of it's institutional formation and are representatives of their institutional culture. Just like you...you carry in your writings the thomasian insignia of sweet nothings-- very representational of a corroding institutional culture!

[borsju]

Originally posted by kundera_tan
to borsju:
i don't get it.......
why would you blame UP for the "misbehavior" of those individuals you mentioned????
the things is, there are actually a lot factors that might have influenced whatever made them do what they did.

your argument is soooo fallacious.
non-sequitur.

thanks for stooping to my level! i was posting tete-a-tete for those whose arguments were equally soooo fallacious!
not unless you buy the premise that those who didn't pass the upcat are bohbohs!

i salute you if you are not one of the subscribers (vis-a-vis your reply to me!)

[Ischaramoochie]

Originally posted by borsju
bashing? i am pointing out a reality that UP has become. the individuals are receipients of it's institutional formation and are representatives of their institutional culture. Just like you...you carry in your writings the thomasian insignia of sweet nothings-- very representational of a corroding institutional culture!

well, not really. you have to give some leeway for those individuals who exert an effort to change their institutional stereotype. remember, universities do not exist in reality, but individual persons do.

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
well, not really. you have to give some leeway for those individuals who exert an effort to change their institutional stereotype. remember, universities do not exist in reality, but individual persons do.
are you purporting then a platonic argument on the existence of universities? hey. we are talking here of universities that cease to stay in the realm of ideas. ust is becuase of the enrolled tomasians (who i suppose are not ghosts!), and administrators who are not angels. the universities mentioned here are "real"!

[kundera_tan]

Originally posted by borsju
thanks for stooping to my level! i was posting tete-a-tete for those whose arguments were equally soooo fallacious!
not unless you buy the premise that those who didn't pass the upcat are bohbohs!

i salute you if you are not one of the subscribers (vis-a-vis your reply to me!)

some of my FRIENDS who did not pass the UPCAT are NOT boh-bohs..... my friend who got accepted in PUP (but failed the UPCAT) is better than I when it comes to quantitative analysis...
so there you go............
*********
i think la salle's MBA is better than Ateneo's. UP MBA is also very good.

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
well, not really. you have to give some leeway for those individuals who exert an effort to change their institutional stereotype. remember, universities do not exist in reality, but individual persons do.
is emmanuel kant the prime suspect of your philosophical indigestion? you -- thomasians -- should stick to aquinas. the problem with uste is that the neo-thomists professors of your institute have reversely contradicted thomas aquinas.

[Ischaramoochie]

where is the university if not in the hearts of thomasians? it is not in the buildings, the address, the teachers, employees, and most assuredly not in the curriculum. the university is greater than the totality of its constituent parts, it is beyond real. it is the spirit of the university that is real, but not the university itself.

[Ischaramoochie]

actually, i'm more at home with baudrillard. so if you think "thomasian" equates to "thomist", you are dead wrong. simulacra?

[borsju]

Originally posted by kundera_tan
some of my FRIENDS who did not pass the UPCAT are NOT boh-bohs..... my friend who got accepted in PUP (but failed the UPOCAT) is better than I when it comes to quantitative analysis...
so there you go............
*********
i think la salle's MBA is better than Ateneo's. UP MBA is also very good.
thanks for the infos. you see my previous posts about up were basically for charlie and the likes of him.

here you go again with your comparisons. whollistically, we can judge which school is better depending on the contribution of their graduates to progress of our society....not so much on whose graduates are earning much (but have their ways to avoid paying the taxes!) he-he!

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
actually, i'm more at home with baudrillard. so if you think thomasian equate to thomist, you are dear wrong.

ha-ha-ha! no wonder, you've got a confused institutional culture! whewww! i sweating profusely reading your insights about ust and its philosophical downfall! ha-ha!

[Ischaramoochie]

not really. postmodernism is not a philosophical downfall, it's a contemporary reflection and dissection of the previous philosophical principles (heyy! alliteration!) that had been prevalent in the past. in other words, it's a blowing up of meaning. a useful analogy would be that if existentialism is an atom bomb, postmodernism would most likely be an antimatter bomb. so there. read baudrillard, i'm sure you'll be attracted to him too.

and no, we don't have a confused institutional curture, we are just not bound by an institutionalized culture.

so, there.

p.s. studying Plato and Kant is for freshmen.

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
not really. postmodernism is not a philosophical downfall, it's a contemporary reflection and dissection of the previous philosophical principles (heyy! alliteration!) that had been prevalent in the past. in other words, it's a blowing up of meaning. a useful analogy would be that if existentialism is an atom bomb, postmodernism would most likely be an antimatter bomb. so there. read baudrillard, i'm sure you'll be attracted to him too.

and no, we don't have a confused institutional curture, we are just not bound by an institutionalized culture.

so, there.

p.s. studying Plato and Kant is for freshmen.
whatever.!!! is postmodernism a useful tool in understanding the stupidity of our philippine congress? does it have an answer why tony blair is a dog-lick-dog with bush? again, i am of the opinion that you should be proud of the writings of aquinas.

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
not really. postmodernism is not a philosophical downfall, it's a contemporary reflection and dissection of the previous philosophical principles (heyy! alliteration!) that had been prevalent in the past. in other words, it's a blowing up of meaning. a useful analogy would be that if existentialism is an atom bomb, postmodernism would most likely be an antimatter bomb. so there. read baudrillard, i'm sure you'll be attracted to him too.

and no, we don't have a confused institutional curture, we are just not bound by an institutionalized culture.

so, there.

p.s. studying Plato and Kant is for freshmen.

i think your claim to be a "postmodernist" is a contradiction to your being a metaphysical idealist as evidenced by your definition/description of a university. are you sure you are not confused yourself with your identity? ;)

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
where is the university if not in the hearts of thomasians? it is not in the buildings, the address, the teachers, employees, and most assuredly not in the curriculum. the university is greater than the totality of its constituent parts, it is beyond real. it is the spirit of the university that is real, but not the university itself.
would you mean then that a university is exclusive for thomasian? that it is in their hearts? should i allow you a poetic license on this? otherwise i find your argument absurd!:confused:

[Ischaramoochie]

hmmm, i see that you are a bit confused on these concepts. very well, if you would accompany me to the PEx Realm Of Thought (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=21), i would be more than willing to explain them to you as we are being off-topic in this thread. :)

[Ischaramoochie]

and so as not to disappoint you in asking such questions, i shall answer as briefly as i can:


whatever.!!! is postmodernism a useful tool in understanding the stupidity of our philippine congress? does it have an answer why tony blair is a dog-lick-dog with bush? again, i am of the opinion that you should be proud of the writings of aquinas.

yes. very much. i am.


i think your claim to be a "postmodernist" is a contradiction to your being a metaphysical idealist as evidenced by your definition/description of a university. are you sure you are not confused yourself with your identity?

no it is not. yes i am sure.

would you mean then that a university is exclusive for thomasian? that it is in their hearts? should i allow you a poetic license on this? otherwise i find your argument absurd!

no. yes. no. but remember that we were discussing the university in the context of UST.

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
hmmm, i see that you are a bit confused on these concepts. very well, if you would accompany me to the PEx Realm Of Thought (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=21), i would be more than willing to explain them to you as we are being off-topic in this thread. :)
no need. i can read between the lines. a bitter pill can be sugar-coated. an argument -- for the sake of argument -- might go on ad infinitum only for us to find out later on that we are exhausted pretending to be seneca, aristotle, aquinas, ay-rand etc... that we retired without us threasing out the very matter -- the very substance, the very essence of what we foolishly argued on. flowery words might overwhelm the hidden wisdom that is simple in itself, and that truth that is pristine in it ordinariness!:)

[Thoma§]

So, tapos ka na Ischaramoochie aka Thoma§?
:lol:
Ayos sa conclusion.

Again, you still come out cheap and downright trying-hard. but I’m not surprised. you're a tomasian, eh. that's a trademark of a tomasino, diba? diba?
No matter how hard you try to prove to us that your English is good, I still think it's second-rate. you obviously lack class and your posts are often short of substance. You seem to know a bit of the English grammar rules. But what good does it give you when you can hardly construct a good sentence? moreover, even if you can barely write a sentence, you can't seem to express your point. Most of the time, I even muse if you can write to articulate a point. If you were talking to me face-to-face, i figure you were stammering and slurring.
Again, I can’t remember you wrote a piece with intelligence. Review all you posts. They're quite dull and boring. So, what's with the overconfidence to pretend to be a god in English grammar rules?
Nevertheless, if you think you can convince some people here that your IQ is as high as those of the UPians, dream on, dude. Yours is nowhere close to it and the reason is quite obvious. Even your educational background (AB from UST har har...) can define who you are and can tell us up to what extent can you be intellectual. I have already squeezed you. I mean, that mongo brain of yours. The squeezing was even done tightly. Yet, not a single drop came out. Poor you. You already gave your all. I've seen it. I was never impressed with your best. You majored a Language course in UST, right? then you are a perfect example of what UST can produce. Enough of this crap. enough of your bull$hit. you're obviously below me.
O tahan na. Wawa naman eh pahiya na siya. Wala na siyang maibato kaya namemersonal na.

This is definitely a bigger bull$hit made by another dyslexic newbie in the making.

[Thoma§]

Again, I can’t remember you wrote a piece with intelligence.
WtF?! I also can't remember you write any sentences/paragraphs with intelligence in it.

Though I have to commend you this time for at least getting your punctuations right, at least I know now that I've given you something. The next time, try aiming a little higher; say, getting your logic right. Your posts are infested by badmouthing, conceit and ad hominem.

[Ischaramoochie]

Originally posted by borsju
no need. i can read between the lines. a bitter pill can be sugar-coated. an argument -- for the sake of argument -- might go on ad infinitum only for us to find out later on that we are exhausted pretending to be seneca, aristotle, aquinas, ay-rand etc... that we retired without us threasing out the very matter -- the very substance, the very essence of what we foolishly argued on. flowery words might overwhelm the hidden wisdom that is simple in itself, and that truth that is pristine in it ordinariness!:)

well, i'm not here to teach those who are unwilling to be taught. so i better leave you to your thoughts, then. be well. :)

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
well, i'm not here to teach those who are unwilling to be taught. so i better leave you to your thoughts, then. be well. :)
the tao master would let his disciple be ... that he may have wisdom. ;)

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
well, i'm not here to teach those who are unwilling to be taught. so i better leave you to your thoughts, then. be well. :)
are you - thomasians - still handcuffed with this sort of educational philiosophy? messianic in approach, banking in system, spoonfeeding in its dosage of knowledge? a pity. let me be outahere...quick. danger zone!

[Thoma§]

Naging RoT na itong academe ah. :lol:

[Ischaramoochie]

but of course. true wisdom is gained by the individual himself, not imposed by the master. ;)

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
but of course. true wisdom is gained by the individual himself, not imposed by the master. ;)
so far, that is one nugget of wisdom i have heard from a thomasian --- ha, ha, ha!:p

[Ischaramoochie]

scary, yes?


are you - thomasians - still handcuffed with this sort of educational philiosophy? messianic in approach, banking in system, spoonfeeding in its dosage of knowledge? a pity. let me be outahere...quick. danger zone!


actually... no.

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
scary, yes?

[quote]
are you - thomasians - still handcuffed with this sort of educational philiosophy? messianic in approach, banking in system, spoonfeeding in its dosage of knowledge? a pity. let me be outahere...quick. danger zone!
[/quoe]

actually... no.
but the manner you wrote your threat suggests otherwise.

[borsju]

hey..'ve gotta go. i'm not used to staying late. i was last night -- very! hope won't happen tomorrow! low-bat na me!

[Ischaramoochie]

hehe. anyway, ice cream? :icecream2:

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
hehe. anyway, ice cream? :icecream2:
thanks, but i'm into a yoga regiment. "mens sana in corpore sano!"

[Thoma§]

Originally posted by borsju
are you - thomasians - still handcuffed with this sort of educational philiosophy? messianic in approach, banking in system, spoonfeeding in its dosage of knowledge? a pity. let me be outahere...quick. danger zone!
You can't just blatantly question our academic policies and you can't claim something that you only perceive; you were never inside the system.

I've been under inspirational and competent Philosophy professors from our faculty, making me, a product of their pedagogy. All I can say is that the Center of Excellence that bequeaths the concilium philosophiae is no hoax. It deserves the 'deputized' status that it currently enjoys.

[Ischaramoochie]

hehe. anyway, ice cream? :icecream2:

[Hulk]

:lol:


:frank:

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
You can't just blatantly question our academic policies and you can't claim something that you only perceive; you were never inside the system.

I've been under inspirational and competent Philosophy professors from our faculty, making me, a product of their pedagogy. All I can say is that the Center of Excellence that bequeaths the concilium philosophiae is no hoax. It deserves the 'deputized' status that it currently enjoys.

and you boast then of competent professors such as villaba for oriental/indian philosophy? co for chinese/yin-yang philo? aureada for postmoderm? funelas for existenlism? hornedo for comtemporary? are they your invaluable assets?

[borsju]

Originally posted by borsju
and you boast then of competent professors such as villaba for oriental/indian philosophy? co for chinese/yin-yang philo? aureada for postmoderm? funelas for existenlism? hornedo for comtemporary? are they your invaluable assets?
why not spend the resources of uste in trying to pirate such big names from louvain?

[borsju]

and hey...i bet you are also proud of a certain reynald reyes? ha-ha-ha!

[Ischaramoochie]

because names aren't important, but thoughts are.

[borsju]

Originally posted by borsju
and hey...i bet you are also proud of a certain reynald reyes? ha-ha-ha!
center of excellence? common. action speaks louder than words!

[Thoma§]

:rolleyes:

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
because names aren't important, but thoughts are.
there you go again. by hey, thoughts ought to be named! else you become dellusional...and in constant state of hallucination. a rose is a rose. can you think of a rose without having a name afixed to it? try to, i'm sure you'll end up in mandaluyong!

[Thoma§]

the point being?

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
You can't just blatantly question our academic policies and you can't claim something that you only perceive; you were never inside the system.

I've been under inspirational and competent Philosophy professors from our faculty, making me, a product of their pedagogy. All I can say is that the Center of Excellence that bequeaths the concilium philosophiae is no hoax. It deserves the 'deputized' status that it currently enjoys.
please don't ever attempt to get ISO accreditation for your department. they might send me to spy on you...and i hate that!

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
the point being?
i pity you. you were a "product" of their pedagogy? were they inspired by Paolo Freire's "pedadogy of the oppressed" -- or thomas kune's "scientific revolution" that you have become now a synthesis of your professors' thesis and anti-thesis?

[Ischaramoochie]

actually, the very fact that the thought of the name "rose" can be transferred from and to different languages presupposes that a name remains only as a name, a or sign (you know, "what which signifies something other than itself," basic semiotics). the thought of the signified, (which in this case is the thought denoted by the english term "rose") is carried over to another sign, which could be a spanish name "rosa" or the Pilipino "rosas" without refering to the original english linguistic sign "rose" and this original sign is left devoid of meaning with regard to the translated though. ergo, if i call it a daisy and you call it a rose, as long as we are talking about the same referrent, then we are both right. that means that thoughts are independent of names. simple semantics.

[Thoma§]

What's wrong with being a 'product'? I did the pushing myself but the inspiration came from them. I have a sound mind of my own. I don't have to attempt to know everything, but only make a sound judgment for whatever is being passed on to me.

I'm not a philosopher but I need the inchoates of philosophy to give me form, substance, veracity and appreciate my human rationale.

The faculty becomes a robust shield and armor for students who know how to defend themselves against the odds that life offers.

[Ischaramoochie]

man, it's thomas KUHN. please read them first before referring to them. the point is that you don't have to pretend to know something you know nothing of.

[Ischaramoochie]

Thoma§, time to leave. this guy obviously does not know what he's blabbering about.

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
actually, the very fact that the thought of the name "rose" can be transferred from and to different languages presupposes that a name remains only as a name, a or sign (you know, "what which signifies something other than itself," basic semiotics). the thought of the signified, (which in this case is the thought denoted by the english term "rose") is carried over to another sign, which could be a spanish name "rosa" or the Pilipino "rosas" without refering to the original english linguistic sign "rose" and this original sign is left devoid of meaning with regard to the translated though. ergo, if i call it a daisy and you call it a rose, as long as we are talking about the same referrent, then we are both right. that means that thoughts are independent of names. simple semantics.
no wonder...from your kind of syllogisms come our chaotic world. people argue -- to the point of being violent -- whether the coin is "kara" or "krus". whether the same flower is daisy or rose. a name is because it signifies something! even nothing has a name -- and we understand it as nothing because of a name. confusion comes in when what is-- which is supposedly "is" is understood not univocably but in two or more terms. just as what you claimed!

[Ischaramoochie]

oh well, no point arguing semiotics with one who isn't familiar with it... go to sleep, it would do you good. otherwise, read.

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
oh well, no point arguing semiotics with one who isn't familiar with it... go to sleep, it would do you good. otherwise, read.
and who was your prof in semiotics? aureada? does he have a total grasped of his readings on gadamer's?

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
oh well, no point arguing semiotics with one who isn't familiar with it... go to sleep, it would do you good. otherwise, read.
are you a die-hard then of daniel chandler?

[Thoma§]

moochie is right, you don't know semiotics.

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
oh well, no point arguing semiotics with one who isn't familiar with it... go to sleep, it would do you good. otherwise, read.
now, this is what we call in semiotics as "paradigm shift" ha-ha-ha! sige na nga natulog ka na! ha-ha!

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
moochie is right, you don't know semiotics.
oh well...tell that to uste's very own castillo whose book " visuals and visuabilities" is a disaster!

[Ischaramoochie]

no. but Dr. Galang does. and before you brag about your "philosophical background," check your grammar. and it's spelled GADAMER

here is a list of names you've misspelled:

AYN RAND
THOMAS KUHN
IMMANUEL KANT
HANS GEORG GADAMER

now, of you aren't familiar with their names, how credible could you be about their thoughts? i'd rather read a book than talk philosophy with you now. moral lesson: don't pretend to know more than you do. it always shows. i know that you know that i know that you know nothing

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
no. but Dr. Galang does. and before you brag about your "philosophical background," check your grammar. and it's spelled GADAMER

here is a list of names you've misspelled:

AYN RAND
THOMAS KUHN
IMMANUEL KANT
HANS GEORG GADAMER

now, of you aren't familiar with their names, how credible could you be about their thoughts? i'd rather read a book than talk philosophy with you now. moral lesson: don't pretend to know more than you do. it always shows
ha-ha-ha! i'm not pretending. you see i am even poor in spelling, write with grammatical errors, philosophize without academic credentials. my point is: you don't have the monopoly of knowledge. two heads are not even better than one....bwahaha!

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
no. but Dr. Galang does. and before you brag about your "philosophical background," check your grammar. and it's spelled GADAMER

here is a list of names you've misspelled:

AYN RAND
THOMAS KUHN
IMMANUEL KANT
HANS GEORG GADAMER

now, of you aren't familiar with their names, how credible could you be about their thoughts? i'd rather read a book than talk philosophy with you now. moral lesson: don't pretend to know more than you do. it always shows. i know that you know that i know that you know nothing
and who among your professors are credible? not even your rector... a certain lana -- whose books on sexual ethics and marriage got the nod of doctors in st lukes!

[Thoma§]

you don't have the monopoly of knowledge.
Right. That's why we took the initiative to share with you some. :)

[Ischaramoochie]

...philosophize without academic credentials

oh, so thaaaaat's why. well, i need not say more. i see no reason to do so, we have all seen how credible you are. the post speaks for itself: a layman trying hard to be an academic; and with the arrogance to display authority too! my my, how far can you go... not very much i suppose. well then, mister grassroot (and this is what Dr. Emy Quito would call you) philosopher, talk to me again when you've earned your degree. until then, be well.

[borsju]

can you please point out my lapses in grammar? sorry, but i think you are still confused ( remember, you are a product of a confused culture!) and in the state of hallucination...and would just resort to that kind of antics to feign shame!

[Ischaramoochie]

later, after an hour, so you won't be able to edit it. ;)

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
oh, so thaaaaat's why. well, i need not say more. i see no reason to do so, we have all seen how credible you are. the post speaks for itself: a layman trying hard to be an academic; and with the arrogance to display authority too! my my, how far can you go... not very much i suppose. well then, mister grassroot (and this is what Dr. Emy Quito would call you) philosopher, talk to me again when you've earned your degree. until then, be well.
until then, you, whose stratus is at par with miriam brenda! ha-ha-ha and whose academic credentials speak for her crazy minds!

[Thoma§]

later, after an hour, so you won't be able to edit it.
:lol:
Right on, mooch!

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
Right. That's why we took the initiative to share with you some. :)
how messianic! how pharasaical! shame on you!

[Ischaramoochie]

oh, but there is a thin line between genius and insanity. you's be well advised to consider that. after all, what is genius if not for an unaccounted deviation from the norm.

by the way, here's the grammatical boo-boo:

timestamp: 11-28-2003 12:05 AM

and who was your prof in semiotics? aureada? does he have a total grasped of his readings on gadamer's?

don't worry. it will show when you edit it.

good night. and good riddance.

[Ischaramoochie]

just one last thing: unless you use it on a footnote, name dropping in philosophy is (duh!) equivalent to not understanding what one reads.

[WeAreThePExers]

MBA? La Salle or Ateneo....

Philosophy! UST!

:D

[Thoma§]

Moochie: It's the thought that counts. :lol:

[Ischaramoochie]

whoops! erratum again. oh well, it's the thought that counts :D

[Thoma§]

:D:D

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
now now, let's not bash UP itself. it's the individuals that make the institution look bad, if we are to bash, then we might as well bash them. so there.

if i have said something about the institution it is because the institutional culture has something to do with the mind-set, decorum and identity of its students...that goes for its grads too.
e.g.
UP grads in medicine are known to be more money (income) oriented vs. UST grads in med who are known to be more humane...more compassionate.
UP law grads battle for legal technicalities while Ateneo law grads fight for justice; UST for truth (owwwss?!)
UP artists take pride in their eccentricities, UST artists in aesthetics;

by the way, did i bash UP? did I not only pose a barage of queries?
if you analyze my post, it was addressed to UP die-hards...it was to jolt them onto something that they should ponder upon! it wasn't for sensible UP pexers.:eek:

[Thoma§]

UST for truth (owwwss?!)
You hafta believe it. :lol:

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
You hafta believe it. :lol:
i'll take your word for it (only for the meantime, ha-ha!); you've got to prove it though!;)

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
well, not really. you have to give some leeway for those individuals who exert an effort to change their institutional stereotype. remember, universities do not exist in reality, but individual persons do.
can you please name some exceptional individuals here who are exerting effort to change their institutional stereotype? i might as well salute them more than just give them leeway!:p

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
where is the university if not in the hearts of thomasians? it is not in the buildings, the address, the teachers, employees, and most assuredly not in the curriculum. the university is greater than the totality of its constituent parts, it is beyond real. it is the spirit of the university that is real, but not the university itself.
ha-ha-ha...try asking your fellow thomasians "where the university of sto. tomas is?" surely, 99.5% would frown on the fact and be apologetic in pointing out that it is found within the quarant of polluted espana, colony-of-rodents lacson, hold-upper infested dapitan and stingking noval!
ask them (your fellow thomasians) about the spirit of the university, i bet, 90% of them will tell you ghost stories instead .

again, your definition about "university" is very platonic...very kantian!:mad:

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
actually, i'm more at home with baudrillard. so if you think "thomasian" equates to "thomist", you are dead wrong. simulacra?
sorry to say, but i don't of course equate "thomasian" to thomist". why this premise in the first place? i, however, expect you -thamasians- to be more "thomistic" in your principles.:D

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
not really. postmodernism is not a philosophical downfall, it's a contemporary reflection and dissection of the previous philosophical principles (heyy! alliteration!) that had been prevalent in the past. in other words, it's a blowing up of meaning. a useful analogy would be that if existentialism is an atom bomb, postmodernism would most likely be an antimatter bomb. so there. read baudrillard, i'm sure you'll be attracted to him too.

and no, we don't have a confused institutional curture, we are just not bound by an institutionalized culture.

so, there.

p.s. studying Plato and Kant is for freshmen.
yuck...what an example! horrible! a bomb is still a bomb!:~(

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
hmmm, i see that you are a bit confused on these concepts. very well, if you would accompany me to the PEx Realm Of Thought (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=21), i would be more than willing to explain them to you as we are being off-topic in this thread. :)
what?... me confused? ah, blame it to your trying-hard-to-sound-empathic-yet-so-sorry-to-be-devoid-of-substance theoretical exposition on postmodernism. i hope the chompskian advocates in your department won't raise arms against you!:D

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
and so as not to disappoint you in asking such questions, i shall answer as briefly as i can:



yes. very much. i am.



no it is not. yes i am sure.



no. yes. no. but remember that we were discussing the university in the context of UST.
whaaaaa...i have become even more disappointed by such an- attempt-to-be-trite-but-ends-up-to-be-so-dumb-a-househelp manner of answering! whaaaaa...:~( :~( :~(

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
scary, yes?



actually... no.
damn...there you go again! whewww!

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
You can't just blatantly question our academic policies and you can't claim something that you only perceive; you were never inside the system.

I've been under inspirational and competent Philosophy professors from our faculty, making me, a product of their pedagogy. All I can say is that the Center of Excellence that bequeaths the concilium philosophiae is no hoax. It deserves the 'deputized' status that it currently enjoys.
thomas, i know you are a good guy! you even guided me through my struggles in overcoming my technological incapacity on a simple task of opening my p.m. well, i won't be so cruel on you with my tirades. i would just like to posit this: you don't have to be a filmaker for you to dislike a film -- do you?

stop me, thomas....stop me!!!!:D :D :D

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
actually, the very fact that the thought of the name "rose" can be transferred from and to different languages presupposes that a name remains only as a name, a or sign (you know, "what which signifies something other than itself," basic semiotics). the thought of the signified, (which in this case is the thought denoted by the english term "rose") is carried over to another sign, which could be a spanish name "rosa" or the Pilipino "rosas" without refering to the original english linguistic sign "rose" and this original sign is left devoid of meaning with regard to the translated though. ergo, if i call it a daisy and you call it a rose, as long as we are talking about the same referrent, then we are both right. that means that thoughts are independent of names. simple semantics.
...and you call that semantics? what a poor hermeneutical attempt!:~(

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
Thoma§, time to leave. this guy obviously does not know what he's blabbering about.
...and why do you have to drag thomas...is he your shadow? or are you simply schizophrenic?:eek: :eek: :eek:

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
oh, so thaaaaat's why. well, i need not say more. i see no reason to do so, we have all seen how credible you are. the post speaks for itself: a layman trying hard to be an academic; and with the arrogance to display authority too! my my, how far can you go... not very much i suppose. well then, mister grassroot (and this is what Dr. Emy Quito would call you) philosopher, talk to me again when you've earned your degree. until then, be well.
your syntax, lady, is disastrous! yeah, i'll talk to you again when you've learned how to construct a better syntax!:rolleyes: :p :rolleyes:

[Thoma§]

Originally posted by borsju
thomas, i know you are a good guy! you even guided me through my struggles in overcoming my technological incapacity on a simple task of opening my p.m. well, i won't be so cruel on you with my tirades. i would just like to posit this: you don't have to be a filmaker for you to dislike a film -- do you?

stop me, thomas....stop me!!!!:D :D :D
:lol:

That's what I call technological providence and public service all in one shot. :D

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
What's wrong with being a 'product'? I did the pushing myself but the inspiration came from them. I have a sound mind of my own. I don't have to attempt to know everything, but only make a sound judgment for whatever is being passed on to me.

I'm not a philosopher but I need the inchoates of philosophy to give me form, substance, veracity and appreciate my human rationale.

The faculty becomes a robust shield and armor for students who know how to defend themselves against the odds that life offers.
stop me thomas....please stop me! ha-ha!
peace to you, man!
i still have high regards to your institute! i am a fan of Fr. dela cruz!

[Thoma§]

:lol:
Nobody's stopping you from being an avid fan. That particular comment came natural and never defensive. :D

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
:lol:

That's what I call technological providence and public service all in one shot. :D
indeed, you are a blessing tonight. were it not for you, i would still be a techono-moron! (though i still am...but a notch higher than my previous stratus!):D

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
:lol:
Nobody's stopping you from being an avid fan. That particular comment came natural and never defensive. :D
nah...it's not what i meant! i mean: stop me from tearing you to pieces with my "cruel intentions"! ha-ha!:D

[Thoma§]

:lol:

I was always a blessing to people I know and the girls are a blessing to me too. :D

Anyway, let's just see if you can reply back to me using the private messaging system. :D :toofunny:

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
:lol:

I was always a blessing to people I know and the girls are a blessing to me too. :D

Anyway, let's just see if you can reply back to me using the private messaging system. :D :toofunny:
are you subjecting me to a "fear factor"? ...to a reality challenge of which i am not disposed to face?:D

[borsju]

know you know my weak-knees! ha-ha!
anyway, there's no harm in trying!

[Ischaramoochie]

umm, ahem! so the best school for MBA is either Lasalle or Ateneo...

[Thoma§]

Originally posted by borsju
are you subjecting me to a "fear factor"? ...to a reality challenge of which i am not disposed to face?:D
:lol:
What's to lose in a trial if you're given the chance to gain the whole world just for yourself? :D

Anyway, forget that self quote I made. Just try to reply to the PM i sent you, that is, if you can. :lol:

[borsju]

Originally posted by borsju
your syntax, lady, is disastrous! yeah, i'll talk to you again when you've learned how to construct a better syntax!:rolleyes: :p :rolleyes:
same!
ditto
"
cetera non-mutantur!:D :D :D

[Ischaramoochie]

yay! teh bashing starts again :lol:

[borsju]

Originally posted by Thoma§
:lol:
What's to lose in a trial if you're given the chance to gain the whole world just for yourself? :D

Anyway, forget that self quote I made. Just try to reply to the PM i sent you, that is, if you can. :lol:
...and "a lost opportunity is lost forever" /or better still "an opportunity lost is lost forever".
ngeee...it's mid-night ...this cinderella has turned "dumb" ! he-he!

[borsju]

've got to go...my friends are here for our week-end gimiks! thanks for the fun!

[Ischaramoochie]

borsju: drink an extra bottle of beer for me :cheers: (SMBlite)

[Thoma§]

This is just sheer fun! Don't you agree, mooch? :lol:

[borsju]

Originally posted by Ischaramoochie
borsju: drink an extra bottle of beer for me :cheers: (SMBlite)

?????

[Ischaramoochie]

oh, yes. teh funnery! :lol: