does Ateneo and Lasalle have exactly the same grading system?

[dekster]

I know that both schools have 1.0 as passing and 4.0 as the highest possible grade but how do they generally break down the brackets within? What are the percentages associated with each bracket?

I'll explain why I'm asking some other time. Thanks.

[Braveheart]

do...

[riza_arnaud]

Different schools... different systems...

In DLSU-Manila's Student Handbook:

Section 8.3

Grade Point
Description
Letter Equivalence
Equivalence (grede)


4.0
Excellent
A
97-100

3.5
Superior
A-
93-96

3.0
Very Good
B
89-92

2.5
Good
B-
85-88

2.0
Satisfactory
C+
80-84

1.5
Fair
C
75-79

1.0
Passed
C-
70-74

0.0
Failed
F
below 70
------------------------------------------

Section 9.1.5

have a GPA of at least 3.000 as indicated below: First Honors: GPA is 3.400 or higher Second Honors: GPA is 3.000 or higher



:spinstar: Tama ba?

[Lek-Lek]

I cannot clearly remember the details of the Ateneo Quality Point System. Different departments usually have different policies as to the bracketing of the grades. Nevertheless, here is something which I hope would help.

Quality Point
Letter Grade

4.00
A

3.50
B+

3.00
B

2.50
C+

2.00
C

1.00
D

0.00
F

Quality Point Index (QPI)/Semestral Honors

3.35 - 3.69 (Second Honors)
3.70 - 4.00 (First Honors)


QPI/Graduation Honors

3.35 - 3.49 (Honorable Mention)
3.50 - 3.69 (Cum Laude)
3.70 - 3.86 (Magna Cum Laude)
3.87 - 4.00 (Summa Cum Laude)

Promotion/QPI Requirement

For freshmen to be promoted to sophomore year - 1.80

For sophomores to be promoted to junior year - 1.90

For juniors to be promoted to senior year - 2.00

For seniors to be eligible for graduation - 2.00

**Those whose QPIs are below the requirement for unconditional promotion, but are higher than 1.60, are entitled to appeal their cases. But those who QPIs fall below 1.60 will automatically be separated from the Loyola Schools.

[dekster]

Well... the reason I'm asking for the percentage breakdown is becuase I would like to reconcile the difference in the GPA requirements for getting into the dean's list and graduating with honors between the two schools...

Likewise the percentages for the dlsu grading system differ by department but in general, what riza_arnaud posted is used.

Accounting for example, has the following grading system:
4.0 Excellent A 97-100
3.5 Superior A- 94-96
3.0 V. Good B 91-93
2.5 Good B- 87-90
2.0 Satisfactory C+ 83-86
1.5 Fair C+ 79-82
1.0 Passed C- 75-78
Accounting majors on the other hand need a 2.0 in order to pass...

Anyway... hope to get more info... thanks guys :)

[maester]

there are also some courses in dlsu where passing is 60.. usually math subjects.. :)

[dekster]

Originally posted by maester
there are also some courses in dlsu where passing is 60.. usually math subjects.. :)

yeah especially for math subjects in ***... think it depends on the teacher though :)

[Lek-Lek]

I'm not sure, but here's what I can recall from good 'ol college days.

Quality Point
Letter Grade
Percentage
Remark

4.00
A
92-100
Excellent

3.50
B+
87-91
Very Good

3.00
B
83-86
Good

2.50
C+
79-82
Satisfactory

2.00
C
75-78
Fair

1.00
D
70-74
Poor

0.00
F
Below 70
Very Poor


Take note that only about half of a student's total courses taken would use this kind of calibration, which includes subjects like Natural Science, Economics, Psychology, etc. Math, Accounting, Finance, Operations Management, have different calibrations for the grade percentages. The other half, which includes English, Filipino, Theology, Philosophy, Marketing, Business Strategy, usually do not give percentages. Teachers in these courses simply give each student a quality point per component of the final grade. So for example, a Philosophy teacher may give a student a 3.50 for the oral exams which comprises 1/3 of the final grade, a 3.00 for reflection papers which is another 1/3, and maybe a 2.50 for class participation which is the remaining 1/3.

Take note however of the similarities between the two grading systems. One of which is the floor percentage for a D, which is 70. But an Ateneo student just cannot rely on getting D's across all of his/her courses. In case a student receives a D in a certain subject, he/she must see to it that he/she gets higher quality points for other courses in order to make it to the QPI requirements of the Loyola Schools, which are way above the average of simply passing all of the courses, which means getting D's in all of the courses and hence a QPI of 1.00.

Ateneo's QPI requirements translates into a 5 - 10 % annual mortality rate.

With regard to graduation honors, usually 10% of the entire batch makes it. As for the School year 2001-2002, 1 graduated Summa Cum Laude; Magna Cum Laude - 9; Cum Laude - 42; and Honorable Mention - 72.

[maester]

Originally posted by dekster


yeah especially for math subjects in ***... think it depends on the teacher though :)

i dont think so.... nasa syllabus kaya... i also agree with you na some teachers eh nag-aadjust ng passing grade.. depende na sa kanila yan.. :)

[dekster]

Thanks for the info lek-lek. We have similar rules as well regarding minimum GPA's etc... I think students who incur GPA's less than 1.0 are ineligible to enroll or something like that.

Anyway, I think it would be safe to conclude that despite the differences in the percentage brackets in general, we can say that dean's lists and honors from both schools are more or less the same (even though the QPI/GPA requirements are not).

That pretty much settles my inquiry. Thanks again ;)

[riza_arnaud]

I forgot that different departments have different grading systems. But yes, for what I posted, it aplies for those floating or subjects you are REQUIRED to take. Tama si dekster
Originally posted by dekster
Accounting majors on the other hand need a 2.0 in order to pass...
Anyway... hope to get more info... thanks guys :)
:)

[snowtiger]

the differences between the two grading systems:

dlsu has a grade equivalent of 1.5 whereas ateneo does not. a big difference when you get a C or a D, especially in 6-unit subjects such as math18/19/20/21.

in dlsu, you need a 3.000 to be in the dean's list. DL in ateneo requires at least a 3.35. big difference if you wanna land on the dean's list. for example, 5 Bs would make you a DL in dlsu, but in ateneo you'd need 4 B+s and 1B. Also, i know a lot of people who get really frustrated if they get, for example, 4 B+s and 2 Bs, because that's only 3.33. that's 0.02 short of DL.

in ateneo, we need to maintain a qpi every year. used to be on a per-semester basis (daw), but they changed it. i'm not sure about dlsu, but if i remember correctly, it's based on the maximum number of Fs (?) and something about immortality..

in ateneo, some teachers give letter grades for tests, papers, and orals.

:)

p.s. correct me if i'm wrong. i'm not an expert on dlsu's grading system, but i'm from zobel so most of my friends study there.

[dekster]

Originally posted by snowtiger
dlsu has a grade equivalent of 1.5 whereas ateneo does not. a big difference when you get a C or a D, especially in 6-unit subjects such as math18/19/20/21.

in dlsu, you need a 3.000 to be in the dean's list. DL in ateneo requires at least a 3.35. big difference if you wanna land on the dean's list. for example, 5 Bs would make you a DL in dlsu, but in ateneo you'd need 4 B+s and 1B. Also, i know a lot of people who get really frustrated if they get, for example, 4 B+s and 2 Bs, because that's only 3.33. that's 0.02 short of DL.


Well... if what Lek-Lek provided above is correct and if we assume that we are comparing students taking only general subjects in the same term using the general grading system for both schools... just keep in mind that to get the 4.0 in Lasalle you need to get an overall average between 97%-100% while in Ateneo the bracket is 92%-100%... At the same time, you would need to score within 83%-86% to get a 3.0 in Ateneo which corresponds only to a 2.0 in Lasalle.

If we were to assume that the student scores within the midpoints of the B and B+ brackets... the DL in ateneo (where you said you need 4 B+s and 1 B to get a 3.35) would need average scores of 88.1% whereas the one in Lasalle (who needs at least 5 Bs to get a 3.0) would need average scores of 90.5...

Bottom line, let's just say that the two grading systems in terms of recognising honors are not that far apart...

[Lek-Lek]

Originally posted by dekster


Well... if what Lek-Lek provided above is correct and if we assume that we are comparing students taking only general subjects in the same term using the general grading system for both schools... just keep in mind that to get the 4.0 in Lasalle you need to get an overall average between 97%-100% while in Ateneo the bracket is 92%-100%... At the same time, you would need to score within 83%-86% to get a 3.0 in Ateneo which corresponds only to a 2.0 in Lasalle.

If we were to assume that the student scores within the midpoints of the B and B+ brackets... the DL in ateneo (where you said you need 4 B+s and 1 B to get a 3.35) would need average scores of 88.1% whereas the one in Lasalle (who needs at least 5 Bs to get a 3.0) would need average scores of 90.5...

Bottom line, let's just say that the two grading systems in terms of recognising honors are not that far apart...


ey dekster, would you mind clarifying something for me?n my brother kasi who's from dlsu keeps on bragging about a certain "immortality". what does being "immortal" mean to you guys, if ever there's such a thing?

thanks in advance!

[maester]

Originally posted by Lek-Lek



ey dekster, would you mind clarifying something for me?n my brother kasi who's from dlsu keeps on bragging about a certain "immortality". what does being "immortal" mean to you guys, if ever there's such a thing?

thanks in advance!

that "immortal" thing in la salle is when you only have a certain number of units left in the flowchart, i mean, parang a certain percentage of the total number of units that you're going to take up in your whole stay in la salle, or the course that you're taking up..

di ko lang alam kung ilang percentage...

when you're already an immortal, even if the number of units that your failing is more than the allowable units of failures, di ka paaalisin sa la salle... kasi nga 'immortal ka na'... usually mga seniors ang immortal, syempre...

hope it helped..:)

[dekster]

Sure thing lek-lek... as a rule, students will get kicked out if they accumulate 24 units (27 for double majors) of permanent failures which occurs if the student doesn't get a grade of at least 2.5 when he/she takes the subject again.

However, if the student has only 57 units remaining or less, he can't become ineligible from re-enrolling anymore hence he becomes "immortal." (Number of units might have changed since the last time I checked...)

Immortals who fail subjects (assuming they have more than 24 or 27 units of failures already) will on the other hand, be forced to go on an LOA for one term (perhaps to relieve them from their "pressures")

This rule doesn't apply to Benilde though... they have a maximum residency period instead which is 6 years (I think...)

[dekster]

oops... naka post na pala si maester hehe.. ;)

[stained_glass]

no. both their lowest is 1.0 and highest is 4.0. but the grade equivalents for those are totally different. in admu, A = 91-100. in dlsu, A = 97-100. but it is different for science and math subjects.

[Lek-Lek]

Originally posted by dekster
Sure thing lek-lek... as a rule, students will get kicked out if they accumulate 24 units (27 for double majors) of permanent failures which occurs if the student doesn't get a grade of at least 2.5 when he/she takes the subject again.

However, if the student has only 57 units remaining or less, he can't become ineligible from re-enrolling anymore hence he becomes "immortal." (Number of units might have changed since the last time I checked...)

Immortals who fail subjects (assuming they have more than 24 or 27 units of failures already) will on the other hand, be forced to go on an LOA for one term (perhaps to relieve them from their "pressures")

This rule doesn't apply to Benilde though... they have a maximum residency period instead which is 6 years (I think...)

oh, there you go! no wonder why my brother is anxious to become an immortal. hehe. thanks for the info! :)

[snowtiger]

yup. there are differences pa regarding the breakdown of each letter grade (in ateneo). for example, an A in three of my major subjects must be 93-100%, and an A in one of my free electives must be 96-100%. depends on the subject. generally, core subjects have 70% as passing (like the one lek-lek posted where an A = 92-100%), though for some it can be at 60% or 50%.

the grading system may differ even among professors teaching the same subject. not in terms of the calibration, but in terms of the grade breakdown.

:)

[BadGiRL]

Originally posted by dekster
Sure thing lek-lek... as a rule, students will get kicked out if they accumulate 24 units (27 for double majors) of permanent failures which occurs if the student doesn't get a grade of at least 2.5 when he/she takes the subject again.

However, if the student has only 57 units remaining or less, he can't become ineligible from re-enrolling anymore hence he becomes "immortal." (Number of units might have changed since the last time I checked...)

Immortals who fail subjects (assuming they have more than 24 or 27 units of failures already) will on the other hand, be forced to go on an LOA for one term (perhaps to relieve them from their "pressures")

This rule doesn't apply to Benilde though... they have a maximum residency period instead which is 6 years (I think...)

But accumulation now for id 102 ata, 27 units and 30 units for double majors.

However , they don't have immortality anymore.

Less than 50 units to be immortal.

[dekster]

But accumulation now for id 102 ata, 27 units and 30 units for double majors.

However , they don't have immortality anymore.

Less than 50 units to be immortal.

never really agreed with the immortality thing... (although I probably wouldnt be saying this if I needed it hehe...)

anyway... to id102 and below... kaya nyo yan... ;)

[alikishi]

the grading system for each class depends on the "relative" difficulty of it.

For all humanities class (Philo, theo), Languages and some management classes

A (4)
93-100

B+ (3.5)
88-92

B (3)
83-87

C+ (2.5)
78-82

C (2)
74-77

D (1)
70-73

For some science courses and most management classes, the passing grade is 60

A (4)
93-100

B+ (3.5)
87-92

B (3)
81-86

C+ (2.5)
75-80

C (2)
67-74

D (1)
60-66

And lastly for courses like math, operations research ...

A (4)
92-100

B+ (3.5)
87-91

B (3)
77-86

C+ (2.5)
70-76

C (2)
60-69

D (1)
50-59

*by the way, this is for admu*

[greenDestiny]

as a freshman at the ateneo, eto ang corresponding range of grade of every letter grade/#....

4 A 92-100
3.5 B+ 86-91
3 B 77-85
2.5 C+ 69-76
2 C 60-69
1 D 50-59
0 F <50

[dekster]

whoa... if my GPA were to be interpreted by someone from Ateneo not knowing the breakdowns in the different schools, siguro he'd be so condescending already hehe... ;)

[Lek-Lek]

Originally posted by greenDestiny
as a freshman at the ateneo, eto ang corresponding range of grade of every letter grade/#....

4 A 92-100
3.5 B+ 86-91
3 B 77-85
2.5 C+ 69-76
2 C 60-69
1 D 50-59
0 F <50

That only applies to Math. I don't think the breakdown is the same for NatSci/English/Filipino. Am I right? 'Coz back when I was a freshie myself, my teachers in Eng and Fil just give the letter grades. For NatSci naman, I remember that the passing grade was 70%, and that applies to other courses in the Core Curriculum.

[FRIEDBLUEEAGLE]

Qualitatively speaking both universities may appear to have similar grading systems but quantitatively speaking the means of attaining grades are overtly different. It is a fact that La Sallians study/work on a faster and much harder pace compared to the SLOW Ateneans who just take it easy thanks to their lax and lenient school academic calendar and curriculum.

[dekster]

Originally posted by Lek-Lek


That only applies to Math. I don't think the breakdown is the same for NatSci/English/Filipino. Am I right? 'Coz back when I was a freshie myself, my teachers in Eng and Fil just give the letter grades. For NatSci naman, I remember that the passing grade was 70%, and that applies to other courses in the Core Curriculum.

That is likely to be the case since students (in all schools) usually have a harder time with math vis a vis the other subjects you mentioned.