walang kwenta ang security sa DLSU!!!!

[babymaker]

alam naman ng lahat na paki tang tao lang yun mga ginagawa ng mga security guards na pagchecheck ng mga bags ng mga students e. sa tingin ba nila ganon ka T@NG@ yun mga may balak na manggulo sa school at ilalagay yun nga gamit like knives, gun etc. sa mga madaling makita na lugar? syempre tatago nila ng mabuti yun!!!!

A CASE TO SUPPORT MY POINT

yun nangyari sa gokonwei lately, diba may sinaksak dun...
kun totoo yun ginagawa na pagchecheck edi sana ndi napasok un balisong sa school... pakitang tao lang yun mga ginagawa ng mga guards. . para masabi lang na nagchecheck sila. . pero alam ng lahat na useless yun.. kun may nakakabasa dito na school authority, itigil nyo na yun kasi ndi effective yun!!! kun sincere talaga kayo about school security, you've got make better alternatives than what you're doing right now!!!! :grrr:

[Yunalesca]

Actually lahat naman ng school walang kwenta ang security.

Pero I hope this incident would open the eyes of the school admin. di sapat yung patingin tingin lang sa bag... as if chinecheck nila kung ano yung laman...

[ArXCee]

whoa!!! before you point fingers and accuse them i think its best to look at the whole picture.

though it is true that they check only the bags of students it is not exactly the fault of the security guards that this incident happend. try to put yourselves in their shoes...

last year when i was still a student... the security office planned to frisk the people who entered the campus. that would be a way to find any dangerous weapons right? however, they didnt get the chance to implement this. why? they fear students would complain if they are frisked. BABYMAKER... do you want to be frisked everytime you go in and out of campus???

if you look at the case of the stabbing in gokongwei... the guy hid his knife in his socks. so that would mean they would have to frisk you from head to toe. women would complain... obviously... and think of the delay that it will cause before you enter the school... if they had to thoroughly frisk everybody... and there are more than 10,000 students... surely it would take some time. that would generate even more complaints. right?

you know what... it is not really the security guards faults. it wouldnt be fair to them to accuse them na pakitang tao lang...

mayaman naman ang DLSU diba??? pressure your admin to get metal detectors!!! i think that is a better solution...

diba ang hirap sa atin... kapag mahigpit ang security sasabihin natin na o.a. ang mga guards. kapag may nangyari naman... nagpabaya sila sa trabaho. kawawa naman sila...

[RubYs_CoOkiE]

Originally posted by ArXCee
whoa!!! before you point fingers and accuse them i think its best to look at the whole picture.

though it is true that they check only the bags of students it is not exactly the fault of the security guards that this incident happend. try to put yourselves in their shoes...

last year when i was still a student... the security office planned to frisk the people who entered the campus. that would be a way to find any dangerous weapons right? however, they didnt get the chance to implement this. why? they fear students would complain if they are frisked. BABYMAKER... do you want to be frisked everytime you go in and out of campus???

if you look at the case of the stabbing in gokongwei... the guy hid his knife in his socks. so that would mean they would have to frisk you from head to toe. women would complain... obviously... and think of the delay that it will cause before you enter the school... if they had to thoroughly frisk everybody... and there are more than 10,000 students... surely it would take some time. that would generate even more complaints. right?

you know what... it is not really the security guards faults. it wouldnt be fair to them to accuse them na pakitang tao lang...

mayaman naman ang DLSU diba??? pressure your admin to get metal detectors!!! i think that is a better solution...

diba ang hirap sa atin... kapag mahigpit ang security sasabihin natin na o.a. ang mga guards. kapag may nangyari naman... nagpabaya sila sa trabaho. kawawa naman sila...

AMEN!

i totally agree with you! things like this cannot be prevented especially since the incident was premeditated. from what i heard the guys friends knew that he was going to stab the girl during midterms pa dapat pero napigilan pa nila. dapat siguro they reported that to the DO to atleast warn them that the guy already has motives before pa. its the same thing that happened in columbine where the guy told everybody that he was going to bring a gun and shoot all the people that he didnt like but nobody took him seriously until he did bring a gun and shot people.

i think its unfair that we blame the security ENTIRELY... i believe alot of people are at fault here kasi although we all know that the system of looking through the bag with a stick is useless, i think all we need is improvement of that system. and besides, the security guards were just doing their job, they didnt mean for those things to happen.

:hippie: :imu: :hippie:

[babymaker]

ayun na nga ang point ko e, kun talagang may balak na gumawa ng masama yun tao, ndi nila makikita ng ganon ganon lang yun. suguro ndi sya ganon ka engot na magpapahuli na lang ng kagad. so dapat wag na lang sila mag check ng bag. wala naman kwenta yun e. waste of time lang! parang na-iinvade un privacy mu kasi titingnan un bag mu . minsan pinapabukas lang yun bag pero ndi naman titingnan. sobrang waste of time, minsan tuloy sobrang haba ng pila sa may gate

[iQ007]

Checking bags makes for the prevention of larger and potentialy more dangerous weapons (than knifes) to enter the campus. Somethings say like shotguns, automatic rifles or bombs.

I doubt you can hide an automatic rifle in your sock, or can you?

These are the weapons that the checking of bags really prevent from entering the campus.

babymaker, you should learn how to analyse situations prior to reacting to them.

Personally, considering that DLSU has a rather sustantial number of students who are sons and daughters of highly reputable people, I wouldn't dare enter tha campus if it has no form of incedent prevention such as the checking of bags.

It would also be unfair for me not to agree with you that the security is somehow lax. I've managed to slip quite a few things into the campus myself. Example: I normally enter the campus with my laptop in my backpack. The security guards rarely notice that I have it there. They'd let me pass without asking me to fill out the property entry form. There was also one instance that I've managed to slip a 7-inch bayonet into the campus. End point: security is lax and definitely needs shaping up.

It also wouldn't hurt if they could afford to put into place some metal detectors and x-ray gizmos for the bags.

Even if we had metal detectors though, weapons would still inevitably enter the campus. An example of which is a ceramic blade.

[ArXCee]

hehehehe... seven inch bayonet! nice...

kind of reminds me of my rotc days... however i was authorized to carry them weapons. :D

well the point is... if you claim that security is too lax i must agree. however its not the solution for you to totally eliminate the checking of your bags. its like you are asking security to neglect their jobs. so there wont be a need for security guards in dlsu is that what you are saying??

so anybody can just bring deadly weapons inside because there is no longer anyone checking. then things like this can happen easily... tsk tsk tsk... pity.

dont blame the guards too much... really... it unfair.

[eON]

yeah metal detectors -> the way to go

i remember our sch paper published this concern once, that was the time when security was a bit lax, no more hassles with opening ur bags before entering, you just go straight ahead, and then after that nagsimula nanaman yung nakakaasar na bag searching sobrang hassle yun ->nung nabasa siguro ng security office

[imbecillesque]

Originally posted by babymaker
kun sincere talaga kayo about school security, you've got make better alternatives than what you're doing right now!!!! :grrr:


so dapat wag na lang sila mag check ng bag. wala naman kwenta yun e. waste of time lang! parang na-iinvade un privacy mu kasi titingnan un bag mu . minsan pinapabukas lang yun bag pero ndi naman titingnan. sobrang waste of time, minsan tuloy sobrang haba ng pila sa may gate


ano ba talaga ang gusto mo, higpitan o luwagan ang security sa DLSU??? ang labo mo naman eh!

pwede ba kung magra-rant ka rin lang, i-diretso mo na lang sa kinauukulan (whew! lalim ng tagalog ko d'un ah!) ang reklamo mo.

hindi mo na naman kinailangan ipaalam sa buong mundo 'yung nangyari sa gox ah... if you were in their shoes, would you want this to go more public than it already is? i-respeto naman natin 'yung privacy n'*** involved.

besides, kung ikaw naman siguro naging security, pati rin naman siguro ikaw mag-aalangan kung ano'ng dapat gawin.

everybody knows that the bomb scares, terror threats, and what have you flogging the nation (and the world, in case you never noticed) as of late have caused everybody to be a li'l bit more cautious... and paranoid, ergo, the security implementations. but look at it this way, not everybody cooperates, and not everybody is comfortable with the fact that their so-called privacy is being invaded. knowing this, would those that implement these security measures be comfortable with the process themselves, thinking that they themselves wouldn't be if their were on the other side of the coin?

[schmuckersh]

incidents like the goks stabbing can't be helped kasi nga ang pag-check ng bags sa school di naman talaga sapat. pero you can't blame the security ppl entirely kasi it would really be too much of a hassle for everyone involved if every time you go inside campus premises e major check sa buong katawan mo yung mga guard. diba?? and i'm sure daming girls aayaw dun 'no..

the best way to prevent any more incidents like that from happening? metal detectors na nga. medyo exaj na pero may pera naman din la salle so i won't be surprised kung magkaro'n tayo ng ganun in the pyutyur :bounce:

[Cutie_Pie]

I'm pretty familiar with the whole stabbing incident, as I am around the infamous project room (dare I say) on a regular basis.

I was discussing the concept of having a lousy security system here in DLSU and I agree with ArXcee... It would take a long time and would cause a lot of controversy if we resort to frisking. Besides, a "bente-nwebe" balisong could be hidden in a file case, you guys do realize that. As my friend said, "Alam mo, kung talagang gugustuhin mo, may paraan." Heck, a girl with a really tight cleacage could hide it there! :bounce2:

I'm doing a 50-50 on the metal detector suggestion. Metal detectors have this uncanny habit of distorting the info on my PDA. Not to mention the strain on our already skyrocketing tuition fees... But I guess for now, that's still the best solution. Maybe somebody who is in the position to do so could lobby it to people who could do something about this suggestion...?

As for the incident itself... The day following the incident, I was expecting for the security to be tighter, or at the very least, maintain its substandard quality of pretending to look through our bags. However, I was really angry at the fact that I went in DLSU via the Velasco gate and lo and behold... My friend was carrying a huge backpack and what did the security guard do? She had her back turned on the incoming people, talking to somebody on the phone and her partner was standing near the gate which allowed cars to go in, talking to somebody from the outside of the gate. In other words, nobody inspected my friend's bulging backpack. They weren't even checking whether or not our ID's were valid.

Sigh... :( so what am I saying? I'm not saying that all our guards suck... In fact, some of them are surprisingly really swell to talk to. It's just that some really need a lot of improvement when it comes to their job performance. Yun lang po!

[blackbox999]

Originally posted by babymaker
ayun na nga ang point ko e, kun talagang may balak na gumawa ng masama yun tao, ndi nila makikita ng ganon ganon lang yun. suguro ndi sya ganon ka engot na magpapahuli na lang ng kagad. so dapat wag na lang sila mag check ng bag. wala naman kwenta yun e. waste of time lang! parang na-iinvade un privacy mu kasi titingnan un bag mu . minsan pinapabukas lang yun bag pero ndi naman titingnan. sobrang waste of time, minsan tuloy sobrang haba ng pila sa may gate

eh hindi naman kasi nila main na trabaho yung tumingin ng laman ng bag eh. extra security lang yun just in case may makita sila. their main purpose is to put order and peace. kung wala sila eh di sana araw-araw may mababalitaan na kayong nananakawan ng isang magnanakaw na hindi taga DLSU, or may napatay ng isang squatter dahil nang-holdap sa loob ng DLSU sa gabi, or mapasukan ng mga kidnapper with guns sa loob ng DLSU with the students and faculty having no power to do whatsoever...

gawin ba namang argument ang nangyaring saksakan...:rolleyes:

[babymaker]

hay naku, sa mga ndi nakakinntindi dyan, ang sinasabi ko e walang kwenta ang pagchecheck ng bag kasi useless yun! kun may balak kang mang baril, ilalagay mu ba yun sa madaling makita na lugar? ex. sa bag, socks etc? syempre ndi diba, kun nag iisip ka, malamang gagawa ka ng ibang paraan para mapasok yun mga yun. so kailangan gumawa ang mga security officers ng ibang ways kasi useless talaga yun checking of bags. ex. metal detectors. . tsaka ndi ko naman sinabi na yun lang ang trabaho ng nga guards e. ang sinasabi ko itigil na nila yun checking of bags kasi waste of time lang yun, hassle sobra! gumawa na lang sila ng ibang paraan instead of looking inside the bags of students kasi ndi nila ilalagay dun ang mga dangerous materials ok. . .

[ArXCee]

babymaker hay naku, sa mga ndi nakakinntindi dyan, ang sinasabi ko e walang kwenta ang pagchecheck ng bag kasi useless yun! kun may balak kang mang baril, ilalagay mu ba yun sa madaling makita na lugar? ex. sa bag, socks etc? syempre ndi diba, kun nag iisip ka, malamang gagawa ka ng ibang paraan para mapasok yun mga yun. so kailangan gumawa ang mga security officers ng ibang ways kasi useless talaga yun checking of bags. ex. metal detectors. . tsaka ndi ko naman sinabi na yun lang ang trabaho ng nga guards e. ang sinasabi ko itigil na nila yun checking of bags kasi waste of time lang yun, hassle sobra! gumawa na lang sila ng ibang paraan instead of looking inside the bags of students kasi ndi nila ilalagay dun ang mga dangerous materials ok. . .

ay sos!!!! e kung hindi na pinakikialaman ang bag e di sa bag ko na lang ilalagay ang kutsilyo o baril na dadalhin ko!!! kaya nga tinitignan ang bags e! at least mas mahihirapan ka magdala ng deadly weapon kasi sa ibang lugar mo pa itatago...

hindi useless ang pag check ng bag...

"syempre, diba, kung nagiisip ka..."

y'know... THINK before you sound off...

[babymaker]

grabe ang hirap ilagay sa kokote ng ibang tao ang sinasabi ko, kun may balak ka talaga magdala ng dangerous weapons to school, sa bag mu ba ilalagay. syempre ndi diba! kasi obvious sobra un, maraming paraan para mapasok yun. ilalagay ko na lang sa ibang lugar kasi yun bag lang naman ang ichecheck nila e. unlike kun example may metal detector, kahit san mu itago sa part ng katawan mu malalaman. hindi pa hassle kasi diretso ka na lang papasok. . or kun gusto naman nila ituloy yun ganyan na inspection, sana naman ayusin nila para makasigurado na ndi makakpasok ng ganyang bagay to school. pero hassle naman sa students kasi it would take a long time to inspect all the bags etc, kaya nga mag iicip sila ng way na mas maganda e, siguro metal detectors na nga. ndi ko alam kun gusto nila to..
pag ndi mu pa ako maintindihan e ewan ko na lang, ok!

teka siguro taga security ka noh kaya pinagpipilitan mu yang palpak na way na yan e sinasabi ko na nga na ndi enough yun e. grabe ang kulit mu!

[imbecillesque]

Hindi ko maintindihan kung hindi magets ni babymaker 'yung punto natin o pinipilit niya lang iliko para mai-justify 'yung ipinagpipilitan niya...

This is turning out to be a senseless thread. This ranting is worthless unless 50% + 1 of our top school head honchos visit PEx. This matter should be brought to the University system's front desk, not here. If there really is reason for storming their offices, than let it be.

Besides, if you were my friends (both parties involved in the incident) would you feel comfortable discovering people are talking about this on the internet?

If we really want to do something vital right now, or we really want everything to turn out the way it should (or the way we think it should), why not disconnect from your ISPs, turn off the freakin' computer, and pray for peace and order to rule our campus, and while you're at it, the world? Nangyari na ang nangyari. Let's just pray for those involved to recover (physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and whatever -ally you could add) and those in power to have all the faculty possible for them to carry out their tasks and fulfill their responsibilities. I know this sounds cheesy, but hey, what else can we do that'll be worth our time? If there's somebody who can create the biggest impact and deal the greatest deal of help we need, it'd be Him up there.

Let's just close this thread please.

Live Jesus in our hearts... forever!!!
Animo Lasalle!
Fight for... errr.... tapos na nga pala 'yun....

[blackbox999]

Originally posted by babymaker
grabe ang hirap ilagay sa kokote ng ibang tao ang sinasabi ko, kun may balak ka talaga magdala ng dangerous weapons to school, sa bag mu ba ilalagay. syempre ndi diba! kasi obvious sobra un, maraming paraan para mapasok yun. ilalagay ko na lang sa ibang lugar kasi yun bag lang naman ang ichecheck nila e. unlike kun example may metal detector, kahit san mu itago sa part ng katawan mu malalaman. hindi pa hassle kasi diretso ka na lang papasok. . or kun gusto naman nila ituloy yun ganyan na inspection, sana naman ayusin nila para makasigurado na ndi makakpasok ng ganyang bagay to school. pero hassle naman sa students kasi it would take a long time to inspect all the bags etc, kaya nga mag iicip sila ng way na mas maganda e, siguro metal detectors na nga. ndi ko alam kun gusto nila to..
pag ndi mu pa ako maintindihan e ewan ko na lang, ok!


metal detector lamang ba ang suggestion mo? eh kung pumunta ako sa jollibee at inilabas ko ang plastic knife nila duon ang yon ang ginamit kong panaksak??? or magpuslit ako ng knife na may kasamang spoon and fork, tapos sabihin ko gamitin ko sa lunch ko...e di walang kwenta na ngayon ang metal detector?

unless makaisip ka ng full-proof na suggestion (which is wala naman talaga), eh don't complain. if you want, mag-apply ka ng sikyu sa DLSU...:lol:

[babymaker]

ndi ko naman sinabi na yun lang ang paraan e, yun lang ang naisip ko for now, kaya sinasabi ko nga na mag iisip sila ng way para mas gumanda ang security sa school e. kasi yun ang trabaho ng mga security officers diba?!
dun sa humirit na mag apply na maging security guard, edi ikaw ang gumawa nun, e ikaw nakaisip nun e! ! ! kaya nga ako nag aaral sa dlsu kasi wala akong balak mag ganon e! baka ikaw, ewan ko lang. . tsk tsk. . hay naku ang epal grabe!

[imbecillesque]

ndi ko naman sinabi na yun lang ang paraan e, yun lang ang naisip ko for now, kaya sinasabi ko nga na mag iisip sila ng way para mas gumanda ang security sa school e. kasi yun ang trabaho ng mga security officers diba?!
dun sa humirit na mag apply na maging security guard, edi ikaw ang gumawa nun, e ikaw nakaisip nun e! ! ! kaya nga ako nag aaral sa dlsu kasi wala akong balak mag ganon e! baka ikaw, ewan ko lang. . tsk tsk. . hay naku ang epal grabe!



isn't this reason enough to close this thread??? :looking:

mods... please...

[iQ007]

babymaker, kung binalak kong patayin LAHAT ng teacher sa chem-eng department at yung baril na balak kong gamitin ay isang auto-rifle, paano ko ipapasok yung baril na iyon sa skwela ng hindi ito ipinapasok sa bag?

Ang hirap talaga ipasok sa kokote mo babymaker, the checking of bags prevents isolated incidents from becoming escalated.

Anong high school ka ba galing, babymaker?

[h2obaby]

apparently, the reason why the inspection of bags is still on-going because the security office thinks it's the best solution for now. if you want them to find another solution, why don't you, babymaker, help them? instead of yacking away endlessly here, why don't you spend your time more efficiently by helping the security office think of another security plan that the students won't complain about?

it's not that we're attacking you, but if you really want change, begin with yourself.


off-topic
if ever an adiminstrator posts here sa PEx, why would they read the campus chat forum?

[unashamedusher]

wow, this sounds like the lonely hearts club.

HELLO?!? metal detectors sa DLSU? ala olivarez college? (kung meron pa nun hanggang ngayon)

for some of you thinking metal detector, consider convenience against security. would it be worth it if you'd all wait for the guards to sweep you clean of metal objects on you and in your bag even if it may take some time to inspect? (kahit lapis pwedeng isaksak, pamaypay pwedeng panghampas, diba may baseball bat sa Sports?) what's next? bomb/drug/alcohol sniffing dogs and baggage x-rays? parang NAIA? don't we mind our parents paying "a small amount" of misc. fees just to keep us secure in school? that's not the case for me. i do mind. it's just that there could be other options than adding "a lil sumthng-sumthng" to our tuition. world class my *** if there would be more guards shot, girls stabbed, and boys bj-ing each other. (oops! no connect :D )

don't pressure security for doing their job even if it's not that effective. i honestly think that the problem is not the security. as far as i'm concerned, they're just told what to do on a day-to-day basis. at least you should be thankful that DLSU's a closed campus since the 80's (if that's your idea of school security).

prevention is better than cure. no amount of specific solution or action could even remedy an issue such as security. :cool:

[Ischaramoochie]

pinaka ok pa rin *** mga magic wooden drumstick na ginagamit ng mga manong pag nag-iinspection ng mga bag. i think ipapasok lang nila sa bag nyo un eh, tapos may autosearch function hahanapin lahat ng explosive/harmful devices sa bag pati na rin yung mga potentially harmful. tapos silent pa para di makahalata yung magdadala.

[bjaybrus]

babymaker,baka ikaw ang gagamiting magic wooden drumsticks ng mga sekyu!!!HAHA!ARTE MO GRABE!Taga-lasalle ka nga!!!