Blazers beat Cardinals: UNDER PROTEST game?!

[AltarBoy^_^]

I can't seem to figure out how things could've gone this far for both squads. And it seems the wounds of the past game between them came back to haunt them.

What happened?
Who started it?
Why another near-riot episode?
Foreiture of games are becoming a trend in the NCAA, so what's wrong with the system?
Do we really have incompetent referees?

This season, Mapua and Benilde are no ordinary opponents, this is an understatement. But all I ask is for level-headed Mapuans to heed my call for peace in the games and in this forum. We shall soon find out the truth.

VIVA MAPUA!!!
ANIMO BENILDE!!!

[DeepBlued]

Here they go again.

Haven't they gotten over what happened in their last game? Well, the games in the NCAA are getting uglier and uglier. No one's going to benefit from this.

The game wasn't televised so can somebody please enlighten us on this?

[AltarBoy^_^]

20-0 pala in favor of Benilde dahil forfeited ng Mapua at gusto nila ng rematch. But why?! :confused:

[Devastator]

So it was a virtual repetition of the 1st rd. encounter? Did the crowd join in? I wonder if there is still any sense of civility in the league. If this goes on ( huwag naman sana) then they should cancel the remainder of the season (hopefully not).

[AltarBoy^_^]

Here's what I gathered from an eyewitness:

> Mapua was leading by as much as 20 points, only to succumb to a rally through the three-point shots of Coching, Salvacion and Tolentino. The Blazers overtook the Cardinals with a few minutes (or seconds?) to spare.

> Sunday Salvacion got called for a deliberate foul. Magpayo wasn't happy about the call, and a Mapuan (maybe Feliciano) saw this and they ended up trashtalking each other. Capati prevented Magpayo from engaging in more trashtalk since we would know where it would lead again.

> Things got very hot as a suspended/injured Cardinal Jeffery Martin crossed to the Blazers bench with an attempt(?) to invite more physical confrontation. Technical foul was called and Sunday went to the freethrow line. It may have increased the Blazers lead and frustrated the Cardinals further.

> Mapua Coach refuses to field in his player for the last 8 seconds of the game. Walkout was what my witness saw but they came back. Referees talking to each other. NCAA Mgt committeee talking to each other.

> Coach Dong Vergeire of the Blazers grabbed a mike and talks with the other side and asks them to finish the game but to no avail.

> Game is forfeited. Mapua asks for a rematch as a sign of protest?!


The things I stated above may not be accurate so I ask the people who may have first-hand information on the incident may add or correct my statements. We are here to know the truth and understand what has happened. It wasn't a televised match so bear with the slow information coming here. We might as well read the newspapers tomorrow. I only implore people from Mapua and Benilde to be level-headed and promote a culture of peace through PEx, if not through sports. :(

VIVA MAPUA!!!
ANIMO BENILDE!!!

[power(bubbles)]

Hello. I think the problem here is that the NCAA board is not firm on their stance. If one school violates the NCAA code by committing acts such as the brawls that have taken place, I think that the one's who should be punished aside from the players are the institution involved. I don't mean to spark ire, but what's happening right now is a clear reminder of what has taken place in the mid-70's with Ateneo and San Beda and that memorable day in 1980 with La Salle and Letran. This has to stop because the sporting world is place of brotherhood and friendship as what was stated in the code of the Olympic Movement. Sports is an arena where one must test their skills and individual capacity and thus be able to exercise one's strength and courage.

PEACE
ANIMO BENILDE

[viemann]

Although I still am not yet aware of what really happenned, I would like to tell everyone that this season has been very disappointing. I can't believe this is all happenning now that we already have TV coverage after 3(?) years. I thought the league was starting to regain its glory days but I guess I was wrong. Before the season started I thought to myself that the NCAA's first problem they need to take care of is the hostility of the crowd but it seems that its the undisciplined players are creating the trouble! Whether its from my school or not, I don't care. They need to be taught a lesson in discipline and sportsmanship before they are allowed to play again. I don't think the referees are to be blamed, it is the players who are playing the game! Basketball is a physical game but it doesn't mean self-control and discipline are not part of it!!


tsk....tsk.....NAKAKAASAR NA! NAKAKAHIYA....

[AltarBoy^_^]

Originally posted by viemann
Although I still am not yet aware of what really happenned, I would like to tell everyone that this season has been very disappointing. I can't believe this is all happenning now that we already have TV coverage after 3(?) years. I thought the league was starting to regain its glory days but I guess I was wrong. Before the season started I thought to myself that the NCAA's first problem they need to take care of is the hostility of the crowd but it seems that its the undisciplined players are creating the trouble! Whether its from my school or not, I don't care. They need to be taught a lesson in discipline and sportsmanship before they are allowed to play again. I don't think the referees are to be blamed, it is the players who are playing the game! Basketball is a physical game but it doesn't mean self-control and discipline are not part of it!!


tsk....tsk.....NAKAKAASAR NA! NAKAKAHIYA....

You are partly correct with the attitude of certain players but it's the REFEREES who make the calls and control the ballgame. Competency in implementing rules and regulations is a must to strengthen the integrity of the ballgame.

I talked with Kabog and it was discovered that Martin did enter the hardcourt but did not go to the Blazers bench but towards Al Magpayo who was talking with Feliciano, both are not in fighting stance but Martin aggravated the situation. He was pulled out by the team manager as a technical foul was called and Sunday Salvacion made the trip to the freethrow lane.

Coach Dong was also cited as the one who aggravated the situation of the Mapuans to forfeit the game and request a rematch which I think is far-fetched. The scorebook was already signed as Coach Dong stresses, but his attitude and actions were in question. We can only wait for a deliberation.

[jdcastro]

I was able to watch the game this afternoon. All through out the MIT-CSB match the Cardinals were leading, by as much as 16 late in the 3rd. I was seated behind the MIT bench, and the mood was obviously very upbeat. There was a Blazer rally that brought down the lead to “just” 7 pts.; Mapua answered to bring the lead back to 13 pts. But the 3rd ended 50-40. The fourth qrt saw the Blazers tightening up on defense which enabled them to come back into the game. And if I recall correctly they tied the game with 6 mins. to go. There was a distinct change in the Cardinals’ bench. By the final 2 mins. CSB was leading by 4. They traded baskets and Salvacion just started hitting his outside shots (all game long he was throwing bricks). With less than 20 secs. to go CSB leading 65-61 Magpayo was fouled. While he was at the foul line Mapuan Feliciano approached him and obviously started talking thrash. Salavacion separated the two. But Feliciano continued the thrashtalk up to Magpayo’s second free throw. The two banged bodies at the half court line with 8 secs left, Mapua’s ball, CSB leading 66-61. Both benches stood up but both the Mapua and CSB players were not in the fighting mood (except of course Feliciano and Magpayo) and they separated the two and prevented their other team mates from entering. One notable exception though is Mapua’s Martin, although in street clothes, he entered the court running with closed fist obviously displaying a fighting stance. He was rushing towards Magpayo and got to about a few paces off his target before one of his team mates pulled him out. One of the asst. coaches of Mapua talked to him. The refs assessed the ff infractions:

CSB:
1. Unsportsmanlike foul on Magpayo (5th foul)
2. Technical foul on Magpayo (later change to tech foul on CSB bench since Magpayo had already 5 fouls)

MIT:
1. Technical foul on Feliciano
2. Technical foul on Martin (later cahnged to tech foul on MIT bench since Martin was not on the line-up, street clothes remember?)

There was a lengthy delay as both benches argued their cases: who gets the possession, how many free throws should be given, etc. I think, the initial decision was to give Mapua two free throws plus ball possession, but after coach Vergerie pointed out that the infractions effectively cancel each other out, that should not be the case. Mapua argued that the ref signaled two T’s on Magpayo, but ref said that the T’s were for Magpayo and Feliciano and not on Magpayo alone. There were more discussions and coach Lim insists on the initial decision and pulled his players out and placed the game under protest. The head of the officials together with I think the Board representatives of MIT and CSB diagramed the penalties and agreed that infractions indeed canceled each other out. The final decision: tech foul on Feliciano and Magpayo canceled each other, one free throw for CSB (for Martin’s tech. foul), and two free throws plus ball possession for MIT (for Magpayo’s unsportmanlike foul). The MIT board rep went to MIT’s dugout and called back the Cardinals. Mapua’s coach and his staff together with 5 players returned seemingly ready to play the last 8 sec. of the match. The succeeding events made it clear to me what the fracas was all about. The officials satisfied that Mapua is able and willing to finish the game resumed the contest. They let Salvacion take the lone CSB free throw. The Mapua bench watched as the refs awarded the free throw to Sunday and they watched as Sunday makes the attempt. But as soon as Sunday made the shot (making the score 67-61 CSB), the Cardinals’ coaching staff sent their captain ball to the officials table and demanded that they be allowed to sign the score sheet since they have no intention of continuing on with the game. They were allowed to do so. There was another delay. After a few more discussion, the refs signaled for a Mapua player to take the free throw and they announced that its two free throw plus ball possession. The Mapua designated shooter (I think, its Lagar?) was on his way to the line but look back to his coach, who was busy giving interviews lambasting the officials, the asst. coaches called him back. Another delay and another discussion, after several mins. with Mapua coaching staff busy talking to reporters and their 5 player just lingering about and with the refs trying in vain to call a Cardinal to the free throw line, an obviously irate Vergerie grabbed the coliseum PA system’s mike and said: “Patulan n’yo na. Pumirma na nga dito eh!” referring to Mapua’s obvious contempt to the game officials and the fact that the Cardinals already signed the score sheet signifying their intention of not finishing the game. With that the refs and CSB signed the score sheet making it a game default. The barker announced that fact and the final score: “CSB 20, Mapua 0!” A member of the Cardinal coaching staff stormed the officials’ table insisting that it should not be a default because they are there with a complete team unlike PCU’s case.
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Initially, I really didn’t know what really upset the Cardinals. After several explanations and after their representative agreed with the official decision they are still arguing. But their actions after Sunday made his free throws made it clear.

1. The Mapua rep, in convincing coach Lim to finish the match, said that anyway the game was placed under protest so finishing it will not hinder the review that will follow. Why didn’t they heed that advice?

2. If Mapua has no intention of finishing the game, why would the coaching staff together with a “complete” team of 5 return? If they returned just to sign the score sheet, why didn’t they do that immediately after returning and BEFORE Salvacion attempted his free throw?

3. If Sunday missed his free throw, would they have continued on with the match? Down 5 pts, they can make both free throws and a three point shot to tie the game.

By making his free throw, Salvacion effectively made CSB, now with a six pt lead, out of Mapua’s reach. So it’s not about making a fair decision on the events that transpired, but it is now about milking the situation for an opportunity to come back into the game. They were arguing to be given two free throws more than that is given to CSB plus ball possession, because that’s the only way they can overhaul CSB’s lead, anything less is not acceptable to them. But clearly, the situation didn’t warrant such penalty.

Too much leeway was given to Mapua in that match. They walked out, that should already forfeit the game for them. They returned but refused to play, another ground for forfeiture. Their player refused to obey the refs, despite entering the court, ground for technical fouls.

Coach Horacio Lim was desperately looking for an excuse in blowing a 16 pt lead only to lose in the closing minutes. Fortunately for him but unfortunately for CSB and the NCAA, Al Magpayo, with 8 secs left, gave him a perfect excuse, just in the nick of time. Mr. Lim you’re a real class act and sportsman, I hope Mapua realize what you are doing to its name and sporting tradition!

Talk about deja vu!:D

[AltarBoy^_^]

Originally posted by jdcastro
I was able to watch the game this afternoon. All through out the MIT-CSB match the Cardinals were leading, by as much as 16 late in the 3rd. I was seated behind the MIT bench, and the mood was obviously very upbeat. There was a Blazer rally that brought down the lead to “just” 7 pts.; Mapua answered to bring the lead back to 13 pts. But the 3rd ended 50-40. The fourth qrt saw the Blazers tightening up on defense which enabled them to come back into the game. And if I recall correctly they tied the game with 6 mins. to go. There was a distinct change in the Cardinals’ bench. By the final 2 mins. CSB was leading by 4. They traded baskets and Salvacion just started hitting his outside shots (all game long he was throwing bricks). With less than 20 secs. to go CSB leading 65-61 Magpayo was fouled. While he was at the foul line Mapuan Feliciano approached him and obviously started talking thrash. Salavacion separated the two. But Feliciano continued the thrashtalk up to Magpayo’s second free throw. The two banged bodies at the half court line with 8 secs left, Mapua’s ball, CSB leading 66-61. Both benches stood up but both the Mapua and CSB players were not in the fighting mood (except of course Feliciano and Magpayo) and they separated the two and prevented their other team mates from entering. One notable exception though is Mapua’s Martin, although in street clothes, he entered the court running with closed fist obviously displaying a fighting stance. He was rushing towards Magpayo and got to about a few paces off his target before one of his team mates pulled him out. One of the asst. coaches of Mapua talked to him. The refs assessed the ff infractions:

CSB:
1. Unsportsmanlike foul on Magpayo (5th foul)
2. Technical foul on Magpayo (later change to tech foul on CSB bench since Magpayo had already 5 fouls)

MIT:
1. Technical foul on Feliciano
2. Technical foul on Martin (later cahnged to tech foul on MIT bench since Martin was not on the line-up, street clothes remember?)

There was a lengthy delay as both benches argued their cases: who gets the possession, how many free throws should be given, etc. I think, the initial decision was to give Mapua two free throws plus ball possession, but after coach Vergerie pointed out that the infractions effectively cancel each other out, that should not be the case. Mapua argued that the ref signaled two T’s on Magpayo, but ref said that the T’s were for Magpayo and Feliciano and not on Magpayo alone. There were more discussions and coach Lim insists on the initial decision and pulled his players out and placed the game under protest. The head of the officials together with I think the Board representatives of MIT and CSB diagramed the penalties and agreed that infractions indeed canceled each other out. The final decision: tech foul on Feliciano and Magpayo canceled each other, one free throw for CSB (for Martin’s tech. foul), and two free throws plus ball possession for MIT (for Magpayo’s unsportmanlike foul). The MIT board rep went to MIT’s dugout and called back the Cardinals. Mapua’s coach and his staff together with 5 players returned seemingly ready to play the last 8 sec. of the match. The succeeding events made it clear to me what the fracas was all about. The officials satisfied that Mapua is able and willing to finish the game resumed the contest. They let Salvacion take the lone CSB free throw. The Mapua bench watched as the refs awarded the free throw to Sunday and they watched as Sunday makes the attempt. But as soon as Sunday made the shot (making the score 67-61 CSB), the Cardinals’ coaching staff sent their captain ball to the officials table and demanded that they be allowed to sign the score sheet since they have no intention of continuing on with the game. They were allowed to do so. There was another delay. After a few more discussion, the refs signaled for a Mapua player to take the free throw and they announced that its two free throw plus ball possession. The Mapua designated shooter (I think, its Lagar?) was on his way to the line but look back to his coach, who was busy giving interviews lambasting the officials, the asst. coaches called him back. Another delay and another discussion, after several mins. with Mapua coaching staff busy talking to reporters and their 5 player just lingering about and with the refs trying in vain to call a Cardinal to the free throw line, an obviously irate Vergerie grabbed the coliseum PA system’s mike and said: “Patulan n’yo na. Pumirma na nga dito eh!” referring to Mapua’s obvious contempt to the game officials and the fact that the Cardinals already signed the score sheet signifying their intention of not finishing the game. With that the refs and CSB signed the score sheet making it a game default. The barker announced that fact and the final score: “CSB 20, Mapua 0!” A member of the Cardinal coaching staff stormed the officials’ table insisting that it should not be a default because they are there with a complete team unlike PCU’s case.
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Initially, I really didn’t know what really upset the Cardinals. After several explanations and after their representative agreed with the official decision they are still arguing. But their actions after Sunday made his free throws made it clear.

1. The Mapua rep, in convincing coach Lim to finish the match, said that anyway the game was placed under protest so finishing it will not hinder the review that will follow. Why didn’t they heed that advice?

2. If Mapua has no intention of finishing the game, why would the coaching staff together with a “complete” team of 5 return? If they returned just to sign the score sheet, why didn’t they do that immediately after returning and BEFORE Salvacion attempted his free throw?

3. If Sunday missed his free throw, would they have continued on with the match? Down 5 pts, they can make both free throws and a three point shot to tie the game.

By making his free throw, Salvacion effectively made CSB, now with a six pt lead, out of Mapua’s reach. So it’s not about making a fair decision on the events that transpired, but it is now about milking the situation for an opportunity to come back into the game. They were arguing to be given two free throws more than that is given to CSB plus ball possession, because that’s the only way they can overhaul CSB’s lead, anything less is not acceptable to them. But clearly, the situation didn’t warrant such penalty.

Too much leeway was given to Mapua in that match. They walked out, that should already forfeit the game for them. They returned but refused to play, another ground for forfeiture. Their player refused to obey the refs, despite entering the court, ground for technical fouls.

Coach Horacio Lim was desperately looking for an excuse in blowing a 16 pt lead only to lose in the closing minutes. Fortunately for him but unfortunately for CSB and the NCAA, Al Magpayo, with 8 secs left, gave him a perfect excuse, just in the nick of time. Mr. Lim you’re a real class act and sportsman, I hope Mapua realize what you are doing to its name and sporting tradition!

Talk about deja vu!:D

Wow! No wonder a lot of my friends from the Pep were stunned and speechless with what has transpired in the ballgame.

Maybe Mapua was desperate. A humiliating come-from-behind victory by the Blazers was imminent. And the Mapuan coaching staff had to save face. And what better way to save face by milking the situation of the Magpayo-Feliciano trashtalk. But Martin wasn't a big help to the Mapuans as he obviously lost his mind by entering the basketball court, that should merit a heavy suspension for engaging in a free-for-all and now this, storming the court in civilian clothes to prove what? That he can single-handedly take on anyone from the opponent's side?! :down:

And why is there a change of technical fouls? Martin should be cited for unsportsmanlike behavior even if he was in streetclothes since he is known to be a Mapuan varsity player?! He should be suspended for the rest of the season for his actions! :down:

Thats strike 3 for the NCAA Committee! This is turning out to be a bad soap opera episode. :down:

Thanks jdcastro for the info! Please add more if you can! *okay*

[PoWdEr13]

GRABE!!!!!!!!!!! thats my reaction....grabe!!!!!!!

[Kabog!]

I would like express my disgust at coach Dong V. for somewhat aggravating the situation, for grabbing the mike and telling the tech people to hurry up with the decision.

It was uncalled for if the Blazers want to be truly called champions in this league.

He deserves some sort of penalty with Horacio Lim and Jeffrey Martin. Al Magpayo too.

Panalo na ang CSB. Why rub it in on the Cards bench?

Let's give them a rematch coz, maybe, the Cards deserve it.

Attitudewise, the Blazers were a bad example in this issue.

[margoux_qt]

NO REMATCH game...its very obvious **** bcoz i watch the game...medyo **** nauna ang mapua at meron pang galing sa bench nila na naka-civilian na hinahamon c magpayo... mautak... para nga **** c magpayo *** ang ma-suspend at *** walang kwenta na naka-civilian (white shirt) na awayin c magpayo... nagtagal *** ang game last night kc *** decision ng mga officials...medyo *** **** naunang mag-walk out ang coach ng mapua dhil nde nagustuhan ang decision...pede ba...tama na ang drama sa court...in the last 3 quarters, walang reklamo ang mga cardinals dhil malaki ang lamang nila over blazers pero ng makalamang na ang benilde, ayun, meron na2man naging artista, nag-dra2ma...nde na sila nakuntento sa tawag ng mga officials na technical, nang-away pa...haaayyyy...*** nagi2ng walang kwenta 2loy *** game pag meron away at nag-walk out...tingin nila, luto na2man...

congrats to our team!

ANIMO BENILDE!!! ;) ;) ;)

[chloe15]

Another Black Eye for NCAA
Mapua forfeits game against CSB
By Trina Ibarle

http://www.universitybelt.com/sports/ncaa/mbb/gallery/2002/aug12csbmit/0812csbmit1magpayo.jpg

Magpayo of CSB, Salud, and Roxas of MIT were in a mad scramble for the ball
while the game officials scrambled in deciding on the penalties on both teams.
(Photo by Raul Roa)


Oh no, not again.

Inconsistencies in the decisions by the National Collegiate Athletic Association technical committee left Mapua Tech with no choice but to submit to a 20-0 loss via forfeiture to College of St. Benilde last August 12 at the Rizal Memorial Coliseum.

The Blazers were leading 66-61 in the dying seconds when friction sparked between the two rival schools, a similar incident to which transpired in their first round encounter, as Al Magpayo of CSB and Edsel Feliciano of Mapua figured in a shoving incident to elicit violent reactions from both benches for stoppage of the game.

As the smoke cleared, Magpayo was slapped with an unsportsmanlike foul after blocking Feliciano's crosscourt run from a rebound play, then both cagers were given a technical foul apiece from the slight confrontation that occured, which cancelled out.

The entry of some players from both benches, including fiery Mapua point guard Jeffrey Martin, prompted the game officials to slap technical fouls on the CSB bench and on Martin, which was supposed to cancel out as well.

The first decision handed out by the officials was to grant Mapua a chance at the freethrow line for two technical freethrows from the unsportsmanlike foul of Magpayo, plus ball possession in the final eight seconds.

However, it was pointed out that Magpayo fouled out after his unsportsmanlike infraction, so the double technical against him and Feliciano was counted as a bench technical on CSB. After this developed, the referees decided to let CSB's Sunday Salvacion shoot a technical freethrow from the technical foul on Martin, which did not cancel out anymore, then grant the freethrows off Magpayo's unsportsmanlike infraction.

After Salvacion clinched the technical freethrow, the Cards raised a howl of objection on why the decision was changed. The coaching staff did not allow its players to finish the remainder of the game, thus the 20-0 result as well as Mapua's putting the game under protest due to the inconsistent rulings.

"I would have accepted the loss graciously if the decision was decisive and final. But it was against my will to continue playing, because they (tech committee) kept changing the outcome of their decisions. Where is the consistency there? This just shows that the committee is not competent," fumed Mapua coach Horacio Lim.

This is the second time that a win via forfeiture has resulted in the NCAA seniors' basketball wars, putting the Blazers still on solo first place with an 8-1 win-loss card. The Cardinals absorbed the loss for a 3-6 standing.

[_FrOsTBiTe_]

sings of an AZURE empire showing :) la lang

ANIMO!

[AltarBoy^_^]

Originally posted by _FrOsTBiTe_
sings of an AZURE empire showing :) la lang

ANIMO!

The curse of hatred is still in the NCAA. Lakas talaga ng sumpa ng Azzure Empire! :glee: :evil_lol:

[_FrOsTBiTe_]

honestly, with whats happening with all the brawls and walkouts and crap that's going on, nagiging "jologs" na yung NCAA... even some blazers say it too... parang nakakahiya daw maging part of the NCAA... as for me, the players should be taught not to retaliate to anything that the opponent does... it's just gonna show that we're stooping down to their level, dba? and well, i think that we should upgrade to the UAAP like what DLSU and ATENEO did in the past (i know that there are requirements to meet)... pero university of St.Benilde does't sound nice :) thats my opinion... la lang :D

[AltarBoy^_^]

Originally posted by _FrOsTBiTe_
honestly, with whats happening with all the brawls and walkouts and crap that's going on, nagiging "jologs" na yung NCAA... even some blazers say it too... parang nakakahiya daw maging part of the NCAA... as for me, the players should be taught not to retaliate to anything that the opponent does... it's just gonna show that we're stooping down to their level, dba? and well, i think that we should upgrade to the UAAP like what DLSU and ATENEO did in the past (i know that there are requirements to meet)... pero university of St.Benilde does't sound nice :) thats my opinion... la lang :D

I can't blame you for feeling that way. This season, the NCAA's slogan was ironic to the way things are happening. San Beda's not handling this situations well as the host school.

I hope we could see better management in the next season, and I hope that when Benilde becomes the host school, we would provide TQM. That's Total Quality Management! :D

ANIMO BENILDE!!!

[jdcastro]

Altarboy:

I used default and forfeiture interchangeably in my previous post. Strictly speaking it was a forfeiture and not a default (sorry about that), since both teams can still play on if they wanted to. Even PCU in their game with SBC, left with only two players, can play on, but they opted not to, like Mapua. Default happens when a team is left with less than 2 players, which will necessitate a game stoppage (default), even if the decimated team wants to continue or not.

The changes in the technical fouls were not actually changes but they were adjustments. They are confusing, yes but they are provided for in the rules. Don’t worry, I too was confused and even the reporters were confused resulting in several conflicting articles. Maybe some of the Mapua coaching staff are guilty of adding to that confusion since they were the ones who dominated the interview-giving frenzy while the game was hanging. Several broadsheets carried Mapua’s stand: 1. Why was Magpayo’s tech. foul cancelled? 2. Why is it that CSB was given a free throw when we (Cardinals) are the aggrieved party?

Let me first list these relevant events that I observed during the game:

1. Magpayo fouled Feliciano with the ball at the mid-court with 8 sec left, score 66-61CSB

2. There was a verbal tussle that followed between the two, but there was no fight (punch, kick, etc.)

3. Both benches stood up but no one from Mapua nor CSB entered the court, except of course for...

4. Mapua’s Martin, who rushed toward CSB’s Magpayo.

Event #1: The refs called an unsportsmanlike foul on Magpayo (his 5th)
Event #2: The refs called technical fouls on both Feliciano and Magpayo. I didn’t see any punches nor kicks and I guess so do the refs since there were no ejections which is mandatory in section 52 of the rules (Fighting).
Event #3: Unless some other witness saw otherwise.
Event #4: The refs called a technical foul on Mapua’s bench (no, Martin (although it was because of him) was not called for a T, it was on the bench, sorry about that. But this call was made much later than the T’s on Feliciano and Magpayo. The call was made at the same time that Magpayo’s T was changed (adjusted) to CSB’s bench Technical foul.

A. Why was Magpayo’s technical foul cancelled?

Magpayo’s unsportsmanlike foul was his fifth.

from the FIBA rulebook

Art. 54 Five fouls by a player

54.1 A player who has committed five (5) fouls, either personal and/or
technical, shall be informed thereof and must leave the game
immediately. He must be substituted within 30 seconds.

54.2 A foul by a player who has previously committed his fifth foul is
charged against the coach and a 'B' [B for bench technical foul] shall be entered on the scoresheet.

In essence once the player commits his fifth foul he automatically cease to be a player on court and just part of the bench, eventhough there is not yet a substitute for him. Since this becomes a bench technical therefore:

from the FIBA rulebook

Art. 50 Technical foul by coaches, assistant coaches, substitutes or
team followers [Bench Technical Foul]

50.2 Penalty

50.2.1 A technical foul shall be charged against the coach.
50.2.2 Two (2) free throws shall be awarded to the opponents, followed by
possession of the ball at mid court.

Since Martin was part of the Mapua bench his action is similarly covered by section 50 of the rules. Now, compare that to a technical on a player on court, like Feliciano in this case:

from the FIBA rulebook

Art. 49 Technical foul by a player

49.2 Penalty

49.2.1 A technical foul shall be charged against the player.
49.2.2 One (1) free throw shall be awarded to the opponents, followed by
possession of the ball at mid-court.

So, I find it ironic that the MIT coaching staff is insisting on reverting the technical back to Magpayo. If the officials do that, in other word considering Magpayo as a player on court, then Magpayo will be covered by art. 49 which will earn Mapua a solitary free throw rather than two which is what the final decision gave them!


B. Why was CSB given a free throw?

from the FIBA rulebook

Art. 56 Special situations

56.1 Definition
In the same stopped-clock period which follows a foul or a violation,
special situations may arise when additional foul(s) are
committed.

56.2 Procedure
56.2.3 All equal penalties against both teams and all double foul penalties
shall be cancelled. Once the penalties have been cancelled they are
considered as never having occurred.

I have to correct myself, again. It was the technical fouls on Magpayo and Martin who were both considered as bench technicals that cancelled each other out. So that left Magpayo’s unsportmanlike foul (2 free throws for MIT) and Feliciano’s T (1 free throw for CSB). That’s the reason for CSB’s lone free throw. The Mapua coaching staff are quick in pointing out that CSB was granted ONE free throw but they are failing to mention that they were given TWO free throws, which by the way refuse to accept. Regarding Mapua’s aggrieved status, I agree that when Magpayo fouled Feliciano, although it was the latter who baited the former (ground for a technical foul), Mapua was aggrieved. But by entering the court with a fighting stance, Martin threw that status out the window.

As a final note, below is the complete Section 56 of the rulebook:
from the FIBA rulebook

Art. 56 Special situations

56.1 Definition
In the same stopped-clock period which follows a foul or a violation,
special situations may arise when additional foul(s) are
committed.

56.2 Procedure
56.2.1 All fouls shall be charged and all penalties identified.
56.2.2 The order in which all fouls occurred shall be determined.
56.2.3 All equal penalties against both teams and all double foul penalties
shall be cancelled. Once the penalties have been cancelled they are
considered as never having occurred.
56.2.4 The right to possession of the ball as part of the last penalty still to
be administered shall cancel any prior rights to possession of the ball
and these shall be forfeited as a result.
56.2.5 Once the ball has become live on the first or only free throw or on a
throw-in, then that penalty can no longer be used for cancelling
another penalty.
56.2.6 All remaining penalties shall be administered in the order in which
they were called.
56.2.7 If, after the cancellation of equal penalties against both teams, there
are no other penalties remaining for administration, the game shall
be resumed as in Art. 45.2.2.

I call your attention to art. 56.2.2, it is clear that Mapua’s Martin infraction came later compared to that of Magpayo and Feliciano. Martin storming in cannot have happened before the Feliciano-Magpayo tussle. So the order of the fouls should follow the chronology of events, with the technical on MIT bench (because of Martin) being the last one. The order should be: 1. Magpayo: unsportsmanlike foul; 2. simultaneous on Feliciano and Magpayo (CSB bench): Technical foul; and 3. Martin (MIT bench): technical foul.

Now, I call you attention to art. 56.2.4, Mapua commiting the last foul should forfeit their ball possession. If you look at it closely, the official decision, although giving the right number of free throws to both teams, is amiss on who should have the ball.

As I’ve said before Mapua was given too much leeway that evening. And as evidenced above they were favored in the final decision, but still they keep on whining! :D

[walalang]

Si Martin kasi pangulo injured na nga gusto pa ng away, ang yabang pa kala mo kung sino eh he is not even in the game

[branchmanager]

ewan ko kung sino?

[AltarBoy^_^]

Originally posted by branchmanager
ewan ko kung sino?

Saan mo nanaman napulot yang tanong na yan? Nagde-deliryo ka na ba diyan? :curly:

jdcastro - Salamat sa mga posts at explanation! :D

ANIMO BENILDE!!!

[viemann]

Originally posted by branchmanager
ewan ko kung sino?


Humirit ka nanaman! Intindihin mo na lang yung JOLINA thread mo sa Movies and TV forum!!!! :silly: :lol: :silly:


jdcastro: Thanks for the explanation. I would just like to ask where you got the FIBA rules? link? Thanks. :)



ANIMO BENILDE!!!

[melody]

Bottomline: Officiating. Both coaches complained of the same thing.

If the referees were able to control the game (not just this game), siguro walang mga forfeiture. For the third time, this has happened in the league. Pati nung PCU-San Beda game, and the earlier CSB-Mapua game, wala silang nagawa.

That just goes to show how CAPABLE these referees are in controlling situations. That just goes to show how technical committee head George Magsino has a voice in deciding the outcome.

That's just what I think :)

Hi Altarboy! Di pa rin kita nami-meet. :wave:

[AltarBoy^_^]

Originally posted by melody
Bottomline: Officiating. Both coaches complained of the same thing.

If the referees were able to control the game (not just this game), siguro walang mga forfeiture. For the third time, this has happened in the league. Pati nung PCU-San Beda game, and the earlier CSB-Mapua game, wala silang nagawa.

That just goes to show how CAPABLE these referees are in controlling situations. That just goes to show how technical committee head George Magsino has a voice in deciding the outcome.

That's just what I think :)

Hi Altarboy! Di pa rin kita nami-meet. :wave:

Hello! Meet tayo next game ng UAAP or NCAA basta Lasalle or Benilde game! :D

Ano ba balita sa UAAP board decision? Medyo magulo na yata sa kabilang forum because of Montinola ah?! :teehee: