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mac_bolan00
Aug 3, 2002, 05:10 AM
franz arcellana, arguably the greatest post-war filipino short-story writer, died from multiple organ failure at the nat. kidney center. one of the most well-known and respected senior faculty members in up diliman, he was often described as far more colorful than any character he created.

i knew the guy. really one of the philippines' best.

QueTePasa
Aug 3, 2002, 05:50 AM
If Mr. Arcellana was, arguably, the greatest post-war Filipino short story writer, who was the greatest pre-war Filipino short story writer? Was this other guy better than Mr. Arcellana?

I am not very familiar with Filipino Literature. Are Mr. Arcellana's works readily available in National Bookstore?

tyanak_me
Aug 3, 2002, 05:59 AM
Depending on what textbooks you used in college. Prisms of literature, and that apple-green lit book way back, I remember, contained mostly Arcellana, Doveglion and Joaquin; among the pinoy writers. I know that other greats like Joaquin, Karunugnan and Lapena-Bonifacio considered Arcellana as some kind of master.

Pre-war? Hmmmmm.... I can think of Carlos Bulosan but he was better-appreciated by the American reading public.

mac_bolan00
Aug 3, 2002, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by QueTePasa
If Mr. Arcellana was, arguably, the greatest post-war Filipino short story writer, who was the greatest pre-war Filipino short story writer? Was this other guy better than Mr. Arcellana?

I am not very familiar with Filipino Literature. Are Mr. Arcellana's works readily available in National Bookstore?
ok, i take it back. arcellana was a nobody. it's the national bookstore favorites like jessica zafra, nora daza, dalisay and agoncillo who're the best.

kids today... :rolleyes:

guess_who
Aug 3, 2002, 02:21 PM
err...medyo surprrised ako at *** icon ng thread na ito is a smiley face with shades...

'la lang...may namatay daw na magaling na pilipino eh...:(.

disturbed_erick
Aug 3, 2002, 02:58 PM
Sa kanya ba pinangalan yung lib sa FC?heehhe.wa lang.

QueTePasa
Aug 3, 2002, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by mac_bolan00

ok, i take it back. arcellana was a nobody. it's the national bookstore favorites like jessica zafra, nora daza, dalisay and agoncillo who're the best.

kids today... :rolleyes:

Kids? May I ask how old you are, Mr. mac_bolan00?
I am not convinced that you are older than me.

Now, if I somehow offended your sensitive feelings, please allow me to explain that no offense was intended.

You said Mr. Arcellana was arguably the best post-war Filipino short story writer. That statement seems to imply that before the war, there was someone who might have written better short stories. I was curious as to who that might be.

Now... as I enjoy reading, but have never heard of Mr. Arcellana (which may or may not speak volumes of the books I read), I thought that I would look him up. I do not have the time to go to a library so the most convenient way for me to read Mr. Arcellana's work would be to buy his book. Hence, my question.

Pretentious *****.

KuyaDanny
Aug 5, 2002, 10:42 AM
mac_bolan00 is young? :rolleyes:

Was that a compliment?

xyzseaman
Aug 5, 2002, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by KuyaDanny
mac_bolan00 is young? :rolleyes:

Was that a compliment?

u know him personally KD?

dijkstra
Aug 5, 2002, 03:13 PM
i actually don't know him. pero, sumalangit nawa ang kanyang kaluluwa.

mac_bolan00
Aug 6, 2002, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by QueTePasa
Pretentious *****.
this speaks volumes about you. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and answer your original questions. your other posts inspire neither courtesy nor intellectual discussions from me, to be honest.

reviewers say FA was the greatest post-war SS writer mostly because his pieces exploded into the libraries and stores right after liberation. that's my opinion. he was writing long before that. he wrote "the man who would be poe" when he was 16. he matriculated in UP in the 1930s. can't say i know of any compilation or majority compilation of his works in the shelves right now. but ask any comp. lit. major worth his/her salt and i'm pretty sure you'll get good directions.

as to specific pieces, i will recommend the following:

the man who would be poe
the yellow shawl
the mats
the eagle

KuyaDanny
Aug 6, 2002, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by xyzseaman
u know him personally KD?

No, but I would love to meet him someday. If you hang around PEx long enough, you can pick up subtle clues which can help you form some conclusion (accurate or not) about mac_bolan00's age. I think he's much older than the average PExer, but still younger than I am.

Not many people in their 20s know of Professor Botor, an artifact from the 60s - 80s, for example. Botor was legendary and quite famous, even outside the Diliman campus.

mac_bolan00
Aug 6, 2002, 08:19 AM
a female pexer who knows both of us thinks i'm older by far.

you knew of pablo k. botor? incredible!

Shofixti
Aug 6, 2002, 08:59 AM
Magkaaminan na kasi kayo ng age para wala nang gulo. :lol:

KuyaDanny
Aug 6, 2002, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by mac_bolan00
you knew of pablo k. botor? incredible!

I just found out this evening that Botor was my wife's Spanish prof. He gave her a 1. Should I be concerned? :lol:

QueTePasa
Aug 6, 2002, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by mac_bolan00

this speaks volumes about you. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and answer your original questions. your other posts inspire neither courtesy nor intellectual discussions from me, to be honest.

You don't like me? Pffft... Fine. Whatever "Pretentious *****" means to you, it should be perfectly obvious that I don't like you either.
Never did.
I guess we can agree that we both don't care.
However, I was really curious, so I had to ask.
For what it's worth, thank you for the courtesy of answering the question. I do not apologize if this "intellectual" discussion has caused unnecessary wear and tear to your brain.

mac_bolan00
Aug 7, 2002, 02:09 AM
well, franz hates going off-topic but he likes a running gag.

you're like most juvenile PEXers in that you think penises are sentient and capable of independent action. i've been PEXing long enough to tell whether a guy is thinking with his head or with his johnny. with you it's fairly obvious. you hate undue-wear-and-tear to one's brain.

QueTePasa
Aug 7, 2002, 02:20 AM
whatever.

muname
Aug 7, 2002, 07:35 AM
franz arcellana, arguably the greatest post-war filipino short-story writer, died from multiple organ failure at the nat. kidney center. one of the most well-known and respected senior faculty members in up diliman, he was often described as far more colorful than any character he created.

It only matters if you know the guy personally.

He might be great before but he's nothing but worm food now.

Lenny
Aug 8, 2002, 02:49 AM
Our prof talked about him the whole period. He was a close friend of my prof. I think I should start reading some of his works.

muname,
And you would be worm food also someday... respect the dead lang.

muname
Aug 8, 2002, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by Lenny
Our prof talked about him the whole period. He was a close friend of my prof. I think I should start reading some of his works.

muname,
And you would be worm food also someday... respect the dead lang.

Everybody dies. Get over it. Let the dead bury the dead. Given enough time, no one will even remember him.

BTW, who are we talking about again? :D

victory
Aug 8, 2002, 04:22 AM
posted by muname

It only matters if you know the guy personally.

He might be great before but he's nothing but worm food now.

Did you read mac's post?


posted by mac_bolan00

franz arcellana, arguably the greatest post-war filipino short-story writer, died from multiple organ failure at the nat. kidney center. one of the most well-known and respected senior faculty members in up diliman, he was often described as far more colorful than any character he created.

i knew the guy. really one of the philippines' best.


Even given your "interesting" criterion, Franz's death really does matter to mac, 'no?

Then again the issue for you might be that you simply don't care because you didn't know the deceased, nor do you care about PeXers who actually do think Franz's life and contributions mattered...

MochaFraps
Aug 8, 2002, 09:11 AM
I watched the eulogy yesterday at the CCP complex. Nick Joaquin was there. The people were laughing while Mr. Joaquin delivers his speech. Admittingly, I didn't understand Nick's speech.

mark_mark
Aug 9, 2002, 05:09 PM
i actually went to mass in honor of Francisco Arcellana in UP. His remains were there. GMA also attended the event. I honestly I did not know him. Dumaan lang kami and we paid our respects. Pag pasok namin, National Artist pala yung namatay. :(

Blackthorne
Aug 11, 2002, 02:52 PM
RIP

bezerker
Aug 12, 2002, 10:55 PM
I remember reading "The Mats" in high school, and was pleasantly surprised to run into it again in college.

That story was really powerful, very emotional. The undercurrent of madness in there, I could really relate to that.

I'd guess that the problem with the stories is that you need to realate to the Philippine condition right after the war.

To one of the great fictionists of Philippine 20th century lit. *clink* *chug*

green grin
Aug 13, 2002, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by mac_bolan00

ok, i take it back. arcellana was a nobody. it's the national bookstore favorites like jessica zafra, nora daza, dalisay and agoncillo who're the best.

kids today... :rolleyes:

:lol:

thanks for the laugh, mac