for those who make fun of wrong grammar and mispelled words...

[Moon Goddess]

"How does the creative impulse die in us? The English Teacher who wrote fiercely on the margin on your theme in blue pencil :"Trite, rewrite," helped to kill it. Critics kill it, your family...

You have noticed how teachers, critics, parents and other know-it-alls, when they see you have written something, become at once long-nosed and fincisking and go through it gingerly sniffing out the flaws. AHA! a mispelled word! as though Shakespeare could spell! As though, spelling, grammar and what you learn in a book about rhetoric has anything to do with freedom and the imagination!...

Well, that is all right. But this is one of the results: that all people who try to write (and all people long to, whic is natural and right) become anxious, timid, contracted, become perfectionists, so terrible affraid that they may put something down that is not as good as Shakespeare

And so no wonder you dont write and put it off month after month, decade after decade."

- Brenda Euland

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hope you get my message.

[MisterHappy]

...misspelled... :)

[pyket]

haha... omg... nakita ko rin yun... :blush:

[tukid]

Kung minsan nakakatawa naman talaga (Don't be so quick to take offense!);) Depende sa context.

[genx77]

kung magpopost ako dito, i dont care kung mali ang spelling o typo error lang pero kapag sa grad school ibang usapan na iyon.

kailang maayos talaga, whether u like it or not, yung isasubmit mo ay reflection ng efforts mo at in a way ikay yun, THOUGH, hindi yun ang totality.. but for me talaga, there is a standard kasi. first one, yung standard ko and the other yung standard ng institusyon.

[genx77]

see may mali na ako... ikay ang nailagay ko instead of ikaw.. hahaha

oh well.. :D

[nina malagu]

Originally posted by Moon Goddess
"How does the creative impulse die in us? The English Teacher who wrote fiercely on the margin on your theme in blue pencil :"Trite, rewrite," helped to kill it. Critics kill it, your family...

You have noticed how teachers, critics, parents and other know-it-alls, when they see you have written something, become at once long-nosed and fincisking and go through it gingerly sniffing out the flaws. AHA! a mispelled word! as though Shakespeare could spell! As though, spelling, grammar and what you learn in a book about rhetoric has anything to do with freedom and the imagination!...

Well, that is all right. But this is one of the results: that all people who try to write (and all people long to, whic is natural and right) become anxious, timid, contracted, become perfectionists, so terrible affraid that they may put something down that is not as good as Shakespeare

And so no wonder you dont write and put it off month after month, decade after decade."

- Brenda Euland

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hope you get my message.


Plus, the punctuation marks...please!


:rolleyes:

[sterling]

mispelled!!!!
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
:rotflmao:
it's the thread title pa!
a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[wired_00]

give her a break... some people are proficient in the languages, some are not. :)

[disturbed_erick]

mag tagalog na lang kasi.

[badabing]

or she "mispelled" it deliberately to prove a point

message loud and clear Moon Goddess

[Yuri_Prime]

Originally posted by genx77
kung magpopost ako dito, i dont care kung mali ang spelling o typo error lang pero kapag sa grad school ibang usapan na iyon.

kailang maayos talaga, whether u like it or not, yung isasubmit mo ay reflection ng efforts mo at in a way ikay yun, THOUGH, hindi yun ang totality.. but for me talaga, there is a standard kasi. first one, yung standard ko and the other yung standard ng institusyon.

Exactly my thoughts. Message board lang naman ito so why waste my time to check if I made a mistake. Basta naiparating ko mensahe ko ayos na.

Pabayaan niyo na iyang mga Grammar police na iyan. Sila kasi yung mga CONYONG BOBONG MAYAMAN na Ingles lang ang pinag-aralan para magmukha silang sosyal, pero mga *******-***** AT WALANG IBUBUGA SA IBANG FIELDS tulad ng Science, Computer, etc. INSECURE sila kasi bobo sila eh so para naman maramdaman nila na mas matalino at superior sila eh ipa-flaunt nila ang natatanging laman ng kanilang utak, yung English.


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[Da_Funk_Faegen]

Originally posted by Yuri_Prime


Exactly my thoughts. Message board lang naman ito so why waste my time to check if I made a mistake. Basta naiparating ko mensahe ko ayos na.

Pabayaan niyo na iyang mga Grammar police na iyan. Sila kasi yung mga CONYONG BOBONG MAYAMAN na Ingles lang ang pinag-aralan para magmukha silang sosyal, pero mga *******-***** AT WALANG IBUBUGA SA IBANG FIELDS tulad ng Science, Computer, etc. INSECURE sila kasi bobo sila eh so para naman maramdaman nila na mas matalino at superior sila eh ipa-flaunt nila ang natatanging laman ng kanilang utak, yung English.


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There is nothing like striving for perfection. That is what TQM is all about. I would not settle for pwede na yan attitude when you know very well you can do more for excellence. Nobody is perfect but it is important you try to achieve perfection. So whether you are in Computer Science or an AB Lit or PE student make sure you are striving for excellence.

Yan ha, quote ng utol ko yan.

[dijkstra]

Originally posted by badabing
or she "mispelled" it deliberately to prove a point

message loud and clear Moon Goddess

i agree, that is to emphasize the eror

[sterling]

Originally posted by dijkstra


i agree, that is to emphasize the eror



I disagree, because there are THREE more "misspelled" words in the body of her post.
:p

[dijkstra]

Originally posted by sterling




I disagree, because there are THREE more "misspelled" words in the body of her post.
:p

ang tiyaga mong magbilang.


give her the benefit of the doubt.

[badabing]

Originally posted by sterling

I disagree, because there are THREE more "misspelled" words in the body of her post.
:p

and how many words are in the body of her post?

[Yuri_Prime]

Originally posted by Da_Funk_Faegen
There is nothing like striving for perfection. That is what TQM is all about. I would not settle for pwede na yan attitude when you know very well you can do more for excellence. Nobody is perfect but it is important you try to achieve perfection. So whether you are in Computer Science or an AB Lit or PE student make sure you are striving for excellence.

Ha! Teka paano naman tayo napunta sa perfection? Duh! :rolleyes: Kung ang tinutukoy mo eh yung unang paragraph sa post ko, ang point ko rito eh aksaya lang ng oras kung "mag-i-strive ka pa for perfection sa mga bagay na hindi naman talaga mahalaga. Kailangan pa ba ng perfection kung nagchi-chismisan lang kayo ng barkada niyo kung sino ang nakipag-break sa kanilang mga jowa? Same goes here. This is just a message board. What we type here doesn't generate money so why waste your time just to ensure that you didn't make any mistake in grammar?

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[dijkstra]

Originally posted by Yuri_Prime


Ha! Teka paano naman tayo napunta sa perfection? Duh! :rolleyes: Kung ang tinutukoy mo eh yung unang paragraph sa post ko, ang point ko rito eh aksaya lang ng oras kung "mag-i-strive ka pa for perfection sa mga bagay na hindi naman talaga mahalaga.

of course we can never achieve a state of perfection, but what we can do is to asymptote it through striving to be better than before.

contrary to what you said, perfection is still very important. it is what has guided mankind to strive for development, innovations and betterment. every stage of our history from savagery to post-modern times is a pursuit for perfection.

Kailangan pa ba ng perfection kung nagchi-chismisan lang kayo ng barkada niyo kung sino ang nakipag-break sa kanilang mga jowa? Same goes here.

it says so much about you than it does about grammar.

This is just a message board. What we type here doesn't generate money so why waste your time just to ensure that you didn't make any mistake in grammar?

if you don't generate money for posting here, and you checking your grammar a waste of time, you might as well not post anything, and have your mouth shut.

[Yuri_Prime]

Originally posted by dijkstra
of course we can never achieve a state of perfection, but what we can do is to asymptote it through striving to be better than before.

contrary to what you said, perfection is still very important. it is what has guided mankind to strive for development, innovations and betterment. every stage of our history from savagery to post-modern times is a pursuit for perfection.

I do agree with what you said, but... HELLLOOOO!!!!! Message board lang kaya ito. Pampalipas oras! Libangan!

it says so much about you than it does about grammar.

Anlabo nito ah!

if you don't generate money for posting here, and you checking your grammar a waste of time, you might as well not post anything, and have your mouth shut.

Excuse me sir! No one tells me when to talk and when not to talk. You are not in the position to shove your ideology right down to my throat and dictate my actions.

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[dijkstra]

Originally posted by Yuri_Prime


I do agree with what you said, but... HELLLOOOO!!!!! Message board lang kaya ito. Pampalipas oras! Libangan!


though it is just a message board, everything you say here should at least have a sense. otherwise, you might as well go to the woods and have a soliloquy.


Anlabo nito ah!



the sentence is very simple.



Excuse me sir! No one tells me when to talk and when not to talk. You are not in the position to shove your ideology right down to my throat and dictate my actions.


freedom comes with a responsibility. if you don't know this, then blame your mother for not having you aborted.

[Yuri_Prime]

Originally posted by dijkstra
though it is just a message board, everything you say here should at least have a sense. otherwise, you might as well go to the woods and have a soliloquy.

Sense doesn't equate to being obedient to the rules of grammar.
Some statement was written with perfect and errorless grammar, but doesn't make any sense. Some made few mistakes because of typo error, or because they don't have the luxury of time to check everything they write, and still able to made an intelligent statement that any person with average intelligence can grasp its meaning despite of the grammar error.

the sentence is very simple.

Ok, I shall rebutt this base on how I understand. On the contrary, no one can really judge a person base only on some message board post.

freedom comes with a responsibility. if you don't know this, then blame your mother for not having you aborted.

I know my responsibility, more than you do! That responsibility includes tolerance to others' belief and ideas. if you don't know this, then blame your mother for not having you aborted.

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[RECORDER]

I agree that the message board members should be sensible too in posting, though its the fun that really counts.:)

[dijkstra]

Originally posted by Yuri_Prime


Sense doesn't equate to being obedient to the rules of grammar.
Some statement was written with perfect and errorless grammar, but doesn't make any sense. Some made few mistakes because of typo error, or because they don't have the luxury of time to check everything they write, and still able to made an intelligent statement that any person with average intelligence can grasp its meaning despite of the grammar error.

did i say that sense equates with grammar? i doubt.

based on your previous statement, you are treating this message board like chismisam with your barkada about [/i]jowa.[i] does chismisam make sense?



Ok, I shall rebutt this base on how I understand. On the contrary, no one can really judge a person base only on some message board post.

a statement may say something about you, but i does not equate to a generalization about you.



I know my responsibility, more than you do! That responsibility includes tolerance to others' belief and ideas..

if you know your responsibility, then act accordingly.



if you don't know this, then blame your mother for not having you aborted.
no originality, a reflection of mental deficiency.

[Yuri_Prime]

Originally posted by dijkstra
did i say that sense equates with grammar? i doubt.

Our discussion is about whether grammar prefection is necessary on message board or not, and then from out of the blue you will say that the posts should make sense. What is it that you're trying to imply then?

based on your previous statement, you are treating this message board like chismisam with your barkada about [/i]jowa.[i] does chismisam make sense?

Excuse me? But what is chismisam.

Sa Tagalog na nga lang! Mali mali pa! Practice what you preach.

To answer the query, yes "chismisan", ordinary day-to-day chitchat. Not necessarily about the "jowa'.

a statement may say something about you, but i does not equate to a generalization about you.

So what? I don't give a damn to total strangers. They can judge me if they want, anyway base on their judgement, I will also judge them, whether I should continue hanging around with them or not.

if you know your responsibility, then act accordingly.

no originality, a reflection of mental deficiency.

Look who's talking. Who between us acts with responsibility then. It was you who resorted to argumentum ad hominem. Indeed an indicator of irresponsibility, insecurity and stupidity. Arguing with the people of the same level as your's is a waste of time. Have a nice day! Goodbye! Back to lurk mode.

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[WICKEDQUEEN]

<Off topic> Wow Yuri_Prime! May isa ka pa palang nabiktima! Kala ko kami lang. Kakaiba ka masyado kuya... tsk, tsk, tsk. :hopeless: Tindi mo rin.

Greten, I humbly beg that you refrain from replying to my message. Please. I do not wish to again entangle myself into a tedious but pointless debate - especially with you. I've learned my lesson the hard way. I'd only be magnifying your negative side if I will have to argue with you again, and I sincerely do not wish for that to happen since I still think that you have your positive sides, somehow... insofar as Pex is concerned.

_________________________________

<On topic: Just my personal opinion as I do not wish to create a big deal out of this post. Attack my belief as you may uncontrollably desire; we are all entitled to our own opinion anyway.>

Of course when we convey thoughts or ideas, first impressions tells the reader something about the one who posted or typed the message. Granted that effectivity and force of persuasion (that only proper spelling and grammar can provide) is not necessary in message boards like this; still, we cannot deprive people of their choices to strive for perfection to every thing they do - even for a simple enjoyment of posting in Pex. For people like us, we value the thought or idea that much; that such thought or idea is not worthy of spoiling its inherent goodness by ignoring the basics of how it must be delivered; that it must be conveyed with atleast, an effort in striving to perfect the language employed, if not utmost perfection and the highest possible degree of clarity that it rightfully deserves.

We're but mere mortals. We're all susceptible to mistakes anyway. Criticisms are but inevitable. So why not take them constructively instead? No matter how harsh the intent or manner the criticism was delivered, it seeks to correct even if it also seeks to malign.

;)

[kweEzTaLz]

for all....

it's Filipino, not Tagalog.

i mean, our national language.

[kahumbu]

I'm currently working with some French and British people. Most of these French people I work with have very poor grasp of English grammar, while some of the British make some grammatical mistakes in their documentations. And when we talk, we do not mind the mistakes, as long as we are able to communicate what we want. But, when a fellow Filipino is in the room, I suddenly find myself checking my verbal English, cause I know he will criticize it, silently or otherwise.

In the international arena, I find that only the Filipinos check each other's grammatical mistakes. That's why I would rather speak to a foreigner in English, than to a Filipino in English, cause its the essence of the message that counts and not the grammar of the message.

Peace. :)

[Yuri_Prime]

off-topic

Originally posted by WICKEDQUEEN
<Off topic> Wow Yuri_Prime! May isa ka pa palang nabiktima! Kala ko kami lang. Kakaiba ka masyado kuya... tsk, tsk, tsk. :hopeless: Tindi mo rin.

What the f*** are you talking about?

Greten, I humbly beg that you refrain from replying to my message. Please. I do not wish to again entangle myself into a tedious but pointless debate - especially with you.

This is Academe. This is not Campus chat or Small Talk or Buhay Pinoy or any other light discussion forum out there. Don't expect that no one will rebutt what you just said.

I've learned my lesson the hard way. I'd only be magnifying your negative side if I will have to argue with you again, and I sincerely do not wish for that to happen since I still think that you have your positive sides, somehow... insofar as Pex is concerned.


negative side?? *** ha ha ha ha!!! Oh my my my....... another of those lame and pathetic pseudopsychiatrist (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=110846) arguing tactic.

Girl! Can't you simply focus on the topic without raising some nonsense about some people in this thread.

person who came up with idea: this is my idea blah blah blah.... and this is good because blah blah blah....

intelligent person who oppose the idea: i don't think your idea should be applied because blah blah blah..... the circumstances are blah blah blah.... and this and that might happen blah blah blah.....

moron who oppose the idea: i don't think your idea is good and I don't want to discuss this further because your psychological deficiency will become more obvious blah blah blah....

on-topic

Originally posted by kahumbu
In the international arena, I find that only the Filipinos check each other's grammatical mistakes. That's why I would rather speak to a foreigner in English, than to a Filipino in English, cause its the essence of the message that counts and not the grammar of the message.

Peace. :)

Exactly my thoughts. Kaya hindi umuunlad ang Pilipinas eh. Many people give too much damn on small unimportant details. Criticizing grammar even though the message was properly transmitted is just like giving direction to someone who had already reached his or her destination.

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[Scusimoi]

Originally posted by kahumbu
I'm currently working with some French and British people. Most of these French people I work with have very poor grasp of English grammar, while some of the British make some grammatical mistakes in their documentations. And when we talk, we do not mind the mistakes, as long as we are able to communicate what we want. But, when a fellow Filipino is in the room, I suddenly find myself checking my verbal English, cause I know he will criticize it, silently or otherwise.

In the international arena, I find that only the Filipinos check each other's grammatical mistakes. That's why I would rather speak to a foreigner in English, than to a Filipino in English, cause its the essence of the message that counts and not the grammar of the message.

Peace. :)

I agree with you! :) I notice that too...I feel more comfortable when I speak English to foreigners than Pinoys. . .coz foreigners are more tolerant than Pinoys.

as for grammatical errors in this message board, heheh onga may iba nakakatawa pero ok lang yun...tolerant naman akong Pinoy eh...coz I know I make mistakes too ...so normal lang yung magkamali no...let's not be too strict naman na parang may grading system ang pex...hehehe :) though it would be nice if we practice good grammar when we write in pex....kanya kanyang style lang yan...ang pikon sa grammar, talo hehehe....;)

korek ka yuri_Prime! agree with your post. :up:

[cutegirl2002]

nice thread.

calling alj , kublais, lancaster, jason_s, gerry_lim and the likes


:D :D :D

[cathy_so]

Originally posted by cutegirl2002
nice thread.

calling alj , kublais, lancaster, jason_s, gerry_lim and the likes


:D :D :D
He he he ...

Wait, is gerry_lim in your list now? :confused4: I don't think so... I know gerrry... he's definitely not them, if that's what you mean.

cutegirl2002, you're bad, ha. :naughty2:

[kublais]

Originally posted by cutegirl2002
nice thread.

calling alj , kublais, lancaster, jason_s, gerry_lim and the likes


:D :D :D
Bwahahahaha...... ba't dumani na? Sino 'tong bago? :wondering:

Welcome to the club!:D

[PUGSLEY]

I don't think people of PExers for that matter make fun of other people's "wrong grammar and/or misspelled words"

It's just that some people are not really good in English but still insist on using it and some people state something as a matter of fact, which is really so irksome.

Case in point is this thread:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117111
(free publicity for the person who started the thread)

Imagine, the nerve to even tell me that I should READ!!!

:down:

[alikishi]

hindi ka rin makulit ano?

[badabing]

Originally posted by PUGSLEY
I don't think people of PExers for that matter make fun of other people's "wrong grammar and/or misspelled words"

It's just that some people are not really good in English but still insist on using it and some people state something as a matter of fact, which is really so irksome.



au contraire, just look at the earlier posts. some people were clearly having fun.
and "people of PExers" is redundant. it could be "PExers" or "people of PEx".
there, the grammar police has spoken. :D

just in case.
the preceding was done in good faith and not meant to condescend nor insult your intelligence, your educational background, ethnicity, or religious affiliation.

[PUGSLEY]

Originally posted by badabing


au contraire, just look at the earlier posts. some people were clearly having fun.
and "people of PExers" is redundant. it could be "PExers" or "people of PEx".
there, the grammar police has spoken. :D

just in case.
the preceding was done in good faith and not meant to condescend nor insult your intelligence, your educational background, ethnicity, or religious affiliation.

No problem.....

Definitely redundant and thanks for pointing it out.

I really didn't notice my using "people of PExers"........geeze!!!!

Honestly though I meant to use "people of Pex"

[freakster2k1]

you said: I really didn't notice my using "people of PExers

umm. 'my' is being used out of context. You should have 'I really didn't notice my usage of'

yun lang. it seems na *** rin eh. dami careless mistake.

[PUGSLEY]

Originally posted by freakster2k1
you said: I really didn't notice my using "people of PExers

umm. 'my' is being used out of context. You should have 'I really didn't notice my usage of'

yun lang. it seems na *** rin eh. dami careless mistake.

:rolleyes:
:yawn:

[PUGSLEY]

freakster2k1

seems your'e good at what you're doing......why not correct and/or make a comment on every post made in all threads

We'll learn a lot from you!!!

:rolleyes:

[freakster2k1]

seems your'e good at what you're doing <-- seems that you are (you're) good at what you do.. blah blah

1. my point is try not to embarass other pexers. Because we are all guilty of these mistakes. Yun lang.

[lite]

The original point was creative impulse or creative writing ... di po ba?

Wala namang masama kung ituwid ang mali. Hindi naman gustong patayin ng mga kritiko at mga maestra ng Ingles ang tinatawag na creative impulse, o iyong simbuyo ng paglikha. Ipalagay na natin na ang isang artikulo, salaysay or nobela ay mababasa ng maraming tao. Ipinababasa ito sa mga bata upang matuto - learning tool kung baga. Ipababasa mo ba sa iyong mga anak o kung sino pang nag-aaral ang isang artikulo, salaysay o nobela kung saan makakatagpo ka ng maraming mali sa gramatikong konstruksyon? Ipinababasa mo nga upang matuto - magpapabasa ka ng mali?

Ang lahat ng manunulat ay may responsibilidad - isa na dito ang tamang gramatikong konstruksyon. Ang mga kritisismo ay hindi dapat maging hadlang sa pagsulat; bagkus, ito ay dapat maging positibong hamon upang lalong ipag-ibayo ang kanyang panunulat.

(Ang hirap managalog! :lol: )

Then again, nobody is perfect. That's why, for formal compositions, we use our handy dictionaries and thesaurus. And we can always hire an editor. :)

The point is, it is good practice to use proper grammar. Faulty grammar (mispronunciations and wrong word spellings, and the like) produces what you call a mental noise, which affects how recipients of information receive and digest information - basic communications, di ba?. Moreover, criticisms should not be taken personally. Be kind lang when you give it. Be mature when you get one.