Multi-Level Marketing (MLM)

[jack]

for sure, people in this industry would say that this is the trend of the future. well, do u think this is the solution leading to financial freedom. do u think so???

[nix]

Admittedly, I tried networking around five months ago. I did very well when I first started, getting six sales (Recruitments?) in a short two weeks or so, garnering much praise from my uplines. But after a month in the business, I noticed something peculiar about the entire system. Let me iterate ...

The end of every presentation of the company I joined was always a presentation of the choices you have. The speaker says, before you make a decision consider this --- Start a business and 9 out of 10 people fail in their first five years. Join a company, and you will forever be in the rat race, seeing your salary go up at the same rate inflation does. Own your own franchise, and believe it or not, five out of ten franchises fail. -- Now when the option turns to networking, the question is asked, which one? Then the presentor goes on saying, only one is a Dunn and Bradstreet 5A1 company, only one is a hypergrowth company, etc etc ... But the fact of the matter is, the presentor never mentions the success rate of that particular networking company.

When I left networking, the company had 20,000 members, with 82 executives or so. That's not even a 1 percent success rate! When I mentioned this to my upline, he quickly answered that there were many qualifying executives and within two to three months, that number will triple. But think about it, so will the number of members.

Think about it, there's something fishy about the entire scheme. Don't be fooled by what people say. And when they encourage you to investigate, look at the points they least stress. Don't look at the millions per month statistics, look at the millions who quit per month. And ask yourself, why?

I could go on bashing networking for hours on end, but I have made some friends because of the entire thing, so I won't. To those who network, good luck, but I have had enough of the gimmick.

[lipstick]

I joined one a couple of months ago and I was content with it. However, I am doing it after office so it was not so good for my health. Now I am into another networking business and I can say, there are responsibilities and requirements to be met. Nothing is given for free, you have to work to reach the financial freedom you seek. In six months, a year or more I might reach my goal, but as of now, I am happy with the extra income I am getting from it. give it another try, there is a product and marketing plan fit for you.



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[what_a_guy]

The Bait. The Catch. The Kill.

What's your beef on MLM or Pyramid Selling. Any experiences you want to share?

[BadGiRL]

hmmm.... actually... i tried it.
nakakapagod sha.
pero kung masipag ka talaga... kaya mo yun.
and dapat u believe in the company talga and its products.
i was able to earn back my investment in 2 months. kaso d ko natuloy dahil pasukan again.

hmm..y are u interested to join? sige nga... orient kita yung sa akin.... :)

[KuyaDanny]

Agree with joe. You need to run the numbers.

1) How easy is it to sell the product?
2) How much money can you make selling product?
3) How much money can you make after you recruit people who sell the product?

The third question is really important. If it's set up so that you make more money recruiting, it's time to wonder.

We signed up one of our employees for Amway once. Cost us P2800 or something like that. Then we bought stuff and calculated the commissions. Then we recruited somebody (another one of our employees), costing us another P2800. Then the first guy stopped selling and gave all the business to the second guy. We made more in commissions, obviously, since we now had two income earners. In about a year, we made back our P5600 from selling to relatives, friends, and ourselves.

The products themselves, I think, are expensive and difficult to sell. It's much easier to convince someone to join and pay P2800, make a commission and move on.

[JDELEON]

There is a fine line between MLM and a Ponzi Scheme.

If you want to make money by making someone else a sucker, run for Politics instead.

May Angels smile upon you,
Joe
ps. don't get me wrong there are legitimate MLM opportunities... and there are get-rich-quick schemes.

[BadGiRL]

kuyadanny: well in my case... i found it way way way easier to sell the products than to recruit ppl.

[The Saint]

I was with High Dessert before and its true, you earn money without selling.

The thing I hate about multi-level marketers is that they wont get straight to the point when asking yout to join. Ang daming ek-ek. Come to the seminar, no selling crap, why don't they just tell me how it works. I'm not afraid of selling. Just tell me the products you use, how your MLM works and I'll decide if I want to join. Don't waste my time going to that crumy old seminar. I've been there for the nth time!!!

[brownpau]

I'm with Forever Living, and it has some really darn good aloe vera health/beauty products and a decent at-your-leisure points scheme.

But there's a culture associated with MLM's that gnaws at me. People I know who seriously get into network marketing are taken over by it; their lives revolve around the business. There's so much enthusiastic materialism it's almost cultish, and more than a bit unnerving. Just attend a seminar, and you'll see what I mean.

By the way, anyone here with SkyBiz? Who's willing to pay $110 a year for webspace and email that you could get from any free service on the web?

[BadGiRL]

brownpau: i love the aloe lips... hehehhhe..sobrang ok.

sobrang cultish nga nya. as in na brbrainwash ka na. kaso.... i think laki din talaga ng profit. kaso..minsan..nakakatamad mag alok. some old lines...hayyy....

[blackblade21]

hahahaha, im with skybiz and my auntie's with forever living kaso she's based sa australia, you should see how she offers those products, and how many people buy from her..... I went out with her once in australia and she sold about a dozen lotion something na aloe... bilib ako.....

brownpau... yes you can get free web space from the internet and to tell you frankly, i'm still a bit skeptic about this... something that has networking in it seems to have a negative attitude towards it....

The reason why i joined is you get a webspace that doesnt have advertisements or banners in it plus you get to earn money for yourself... plus its only 2 mos old so you can recruit a lot of people pa, the compensation is also very good.....
http://www.skynary.com/geraldq2

maybe there's somebody here who wants to join..... tulong tulong lang naman yan eh para kumita :)

[phreax]

meron na bang kumita sa Skybiz? Just wondering...

[BadGiRL]

ako meron akong kilalang kumita.

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[what_a_guy]

BadGirl tutots ??

Which company siya? Is it Nu-Skin...I heard they earn over 3K USD per month for the senior level positions. And can amass 100K per year if they recruit a lot of peeps.

[BadGiRL]

wag: si chester sy...sa skybiz....
sa forever living products si kerwin yu(last we talked..he was earning 40k a month)
then there's kerwin's upline jun kintanar..he really earns hundreds of thousands of pesos a month....
etc etc... bakit..gusto mo silang makilala??? :D *naku nag recruit pa e!*

frankly..wala pa akong kilalang kumita sa nu skin.

[phreax]

badgirl: r u sure of that? sa skybiz? how much did he earn as of now? when did he join and when did he get his first income and how much is his first income?

[BadGiRL]

:rolleyes:
phreax: hmmm...teka teka ha...i'll see him tom. e... i'll post it here with his consent...okies???

[BadGiRL]

chester was able to earn back his investments in 4 days. he made his first orbit in 3weeks($240). and for the two months that he is in skybiz...he has earned around P80,000.00.

skybiz sends u a check everyweek.

so... r u interested?
sumali nga din pala ako. :D

[phreax]

okay. balitaan mo kami kung kumita ka na from joining skybiz. i am interested but not quite convinced. good luck to you!

[what_a_guy]

BadGirl,

Like phreax, I am also not convinced...so give them a hard time... Just balita to us nalang kung ano ang nangyari. Here is a tip: To prove how much they are really earning and since it is sort of common knowledge from telling peeps how much they are earning..ASK (tactfully) if they can show you their INCOME TAX RETURN.

Best of Luck to You...

WAG

[BadGiRL]

well..bahala kayo.

basta sumali ako for the web space din. i'm planning to make one for my father as his bday gift.

WAG: umm..d nalang. i'll just take his word for it.

[blackblade21]

haha, bad girl nakahakot ka na??? ako hindi pa eh... daming ginagawa sa work ..... well ill start next week, pumunta ka sa orient kahapon???

[phreax]

if you just want a web space, there are lots of sites offer it for free! so why pay? i think what got them to join skybiz is to earn money. or they just dont know that there are free web space available on the net. and imagine $100! ang laki nun ah. tapos annual pa!

[BadGiRL]

phreax: na orient ka na ba?
yes, i know may free website sa net. alam ko din na may kasamang web space yung subscription ko.
ewan ko lang ha..but i have to know that sulit yung babayaran ko before i buy something...that's all i can say... :)

blackblade: hmmm....konti palang. 2 palang.

[blackblade21]

good 4 u, at least uve had 2, 7 more to go nalang :)..... sino upline mo?

[what_a_guy]

BadGiRL & blackblade21,

Quick Question: How long are you planning to stick around with this business?

Good luck again.

WAG

[BadGiRL]

WAG: as long as feel ko pa. as i said... i'm not really after the money. i don't need it. i just want the space for my bday to my father dear. yun lang. since andito na din ako..might as well try to share the product. sayang din yung chance d ba?

[what_a_guy]

BadGirl,

Wow..dats sweet of you. Do we get a free peek of the webpage once it is done? Let us know....

You made a free choice...just be careful...as always, we are only trying to watch out for you guys. Well, since you are not really after the money, make sure they are not after most of your money.

======================

KuyaDanny's questions are valid. My hot beef with MLM is the approach 'some' of them are using when they are attempting to suck (i.e. pressure selling) you in *as The Saint and brownpau clearly pointed out* Esp when it involves friends and relatives. It's just difficult to say no to them. And I also find the products a tad expensive relative to how much I can get it for at a Nutrition Store here in Canada.

No matter how you call it (MLM, Network Marketing, etc) the model ends up as a pyramid, only a small percentage earns the big bucks (da ones at da top are feeding from da multiple bottom). Hmmm...come to think of it, it is like any other Sales job except the compensation scheme is a bit different.

I do not look down on the peeps who are involved in MLM...if it's for you, GO for it...just make sure you know what you are getting into. As long as they are making an HONEST living, dat's fine with me and everyone else. There is nothing wrong with the idea of MLM, it has been done a long, long time ago (I think it's the Avon Lady dat started it). You sell using a network of people. It's only when people get greedy do you see the negative aspect of it (like any other job I guess).

Update us on how it is going...I am also curious coz I have been hearing mostly negative stuff about MLM from the papers...like poeple losing their savings...etc..

Stay true to yourselves.....



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[BadGiRL]

WAG: :) hey thx for the concern. i agree that no matter how u call it... pyramid pa rin sha. i usually join these things to use the products at a discount and i usually like the challenge of earning back my 10 thousand bucks. and i get to earn back my investment naman e. after that, pag d ko na feel d ko na tinutuloy. yun lang. :D

[what_a_guy]

BadGirl..good luck..you should be able to get your money back (ang laki pala).

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

To the other peeps who are interested in doing their own independent research, the WEB has a lot of resources on this subject like the following links....

http://search.about.com/fullsearch.htm?terms=pyramid%2Bselling&PM=59_0100_S &Action.x=10&Action.y=12 (http://search.about.com/fullsearch.htm?terms=pyramid%2Bselling&PM=59_0100_S&Action.x=10&Action.y=12)

http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html


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[BadGiRL]

wag: lemme clarify..i did not pay 10k for skybiz ha.... i was referring to flp....

[fhunkeemonkee]

phreax, ako din interested pero nde pa totally convinced. it looks really tempting though kasi hindi ka na kailangan mag-benta ng kung anu-anong produkto.

badgirl, so you do know personally, people na kumikita na talaga dito. buti ka pa nde na kailangan ng pera, ako i need all the cash i can get :D

[earthwarrior1]

Multi-level marketing per se is not a scam. It's people who create scams.

To a certain extent, the marketing systems of Avon and Tupperware are multi-level (2-4 levels) and these are reputable companies who have been doing business successfully for decades. One of the first successful "perpetual" level multi-level companies in the Philippines was 100% Filipino-owned International Good Housekeeping, Inc. Back in the early 1980s, it patterned its system to that of AMWAY in the U.S. Testimony of the power of multi-level marketing to move products and reward people is the fact that during the bleakest years in recent history (1983-1987), when businesses were closing down, this company had thousands of distributors who were earning respectable incomes thru direct selling. Top distributors were getting monthly bonuses in 6-figures and special incentives that reached as high as P800,000. And this was back in the 80s! Why it folded up after Metro Pacific bought it is a different story. But these days, the market is awashed with multi-level marketing companies ... proof that the system has come of age in the Philippines.

Dig this, a Batangas school teacher who sidelines as a Symmetry distributor was already earning around P35,000/mo part time. She took a leave for 2 months and blitzed her area. The result? P1.5 million in income, in 2 months!

Under the MLM system, success depends on effort and perseverance. It doesn't distinguish between schoolteachers, lawyers, doctors, or company CEOs. So if you're not willing to work hard, this isn't for you.

[arsel]

earthwarrior1: are you now engage in MLM?

If not what's the best MLM here in the Philippines that you know? Yong affordable lang ha sa bulsa? :)

[angelicDAW]

for the sake of being objective (DAW), mlm can actually work...but only for certain people with certain priorities (money by all means). it did NOT work for me. actually, i didn't go through with it coz after i paid the 15000+, feeling ko naloko ako. naturally, i wouldn't want my friends to feel the same way. they say that their products are good and the money doesn't go to advertising. instead it goes directly to you as the seller. still, how competitive can it be? people still love to shop around, how can u be assured that they'll use your product for the rest of their lives? aside from that, there's a cult-like atmosphere in there network marketing thingies that's just creepy! if you're one of them, ang bait bait nila, but if u decided it's not for you, well, parang feeling nila you're different/inferior. eh nakakahiya pa coz what's the prestige in selling skin products? ano kayang fulfillment dun?!?!?!

[BadGiRL]

angelicdaw: lemme guess...flp yan no? :D

[phreax]

kwento naman kayo about FLP. kasi yung friend ko, gusto nya akong sumali doon. okay ba yun? please give me hints naman.

[BadGiRL]

phreax:
flp products are good. as in effective and good. medyo steep lang nga yung prices. but they are good. i use a lot of their products. my customers keep coming back for more kahit na i don't sell na. :D

mahirap mag recruit. madali mag benta (well..sa akin oo. sa iba mahirap daw para sa kanila e.) i guess nasa tao na yan. but nabawi ko investment ko. and more. :)

but kung magiging consumer ka , as in mega consumer, sumali ka na. sayang 35%. pero kung small time consumer. bumili ka nalang. sayang 15K. grabe. (9000+ lang noong time ko ah!)

kung masipag ka at feel mong mababawi mo atleast. sumali ka na. sayang din e. but, read the manual. don't take the recruiter's word as the bible truth. believe me. don't take the upline's word as the truth and nothing but.

but basically, oo..cultish sha. as in cultish sha. but kumikita talaga sila jun kintanar.

kaya, it's ur friend's choice. everything's a gamble.

[blackblade21]

There is always a certain degree of risk on every decision you make!

[NoisyCricket]

#1 it works for some people like a charm. but for others, it's as workable as a lump of sh_t. it works for some, but not for others, and for most, it doesn't.

do you like making cold calls pitching something, and changing who you are just to make a buck? I hated it after a while.

It also involves a little bit of manipulation, and you cater partly to your invites' sense of greed, ignorance, and bravado.

if it works for you, then great! if you feel that it's not for you, and it doesn't make you happy or a better person, then just drop it.

[Bobby Magnaye]

MLM is a legitimate business and it only works for people who wants to do the work and with burning desire to succeed. It's not a get rich quick scheme. The more work you do, the more money you can make.

[what_a_guy]

Any updates on those who participated ?

[what_a_guy]

Soooo how is it working out for those who are involved with MLM ? Any progress in terms of getting promoted to the next level ?

[what_a_guy]

Soooo how is it working out for those who are involved with MLM ? Any progress in terms of getting promoted to the next level ?

[lemminade]

my mom was quite successful with one mlm company...and i did see her checks come in...its real no, but u should be willing to put a susbstantial amount of effort in it.The idea is leverage: work hard in the beginning,and watch it grow. Just make sure you like the company:its according to your taste. The products, the people,and the compensation plan make all the difference. Make sure you pick the right company for you.

People have a bad impression of mlm because they associate it with the pyramid scheme.And the fact that its a revolutionary,non traditional concept (at least in the country).naturally,people are uncomfortable with the idead. But There is a difference (bet Pyramid and Mlm). Also, its not the system thats bad,its the people who corrupt it. Thats called bad duplication. So,make sure you feel comfortable with the group you join.

both My mom and i are with skybiz right now, and from what were seeing,its growth is phenomenal. for those who are part of it, goodluck!for those who are intrigued,make sure you make wise business decisions,but dont waste too much time. Mlm,just like any business, entails a degree of risk, so be ready.

Mlm is changeing lives everywhere, in terms of money and finance, but make sure it doesnt take control of you.

if anyone wants to discuss somemore, please email me at lemminade@chickmail.com...i'll give you honest, unbiased answers. Ive been reading a lot, and have been exposed to experienced networkers. again,good luck!

[lemminade]

what_a_guy: r u with nuskin?

[xandra88]

A pyramid scam is when the company asks for your money without giving you a product in return. MLM is the best way to work without a boss, unless you have a company of your own that sells good products. But then again, you can still join an MLM company and still run your traditional business. There's nothing wrong with MLM. It just doesn't work for some people because of image problem - let's face it, door-to-door selling is always associated with people who could not find a job anywhere, or mothers who can not leave their home for nine to five jobs. But you know what, sales people are the most successful ones. Look around you and compare the nine-to-fivers and the sales people. Who has more TIME and MONEY? I think MLM is the best thing, if not the next best thing, to owning your own company. The people in the rat race jsut doesn't see the trap they are in. Agree, anyone?

[lemminade]

xandra88: i agree with you completely! by the way, i checked out your website,how is business doing? both skybiz and the clothing?

MLM truly is the best way to make money. Its a trend waiting to explode, and those who take advantage of that, make the most profit.

On selling: in everything in life , you have to sell yourself, anyway! the way you present yourself, your credibility. Whether its applying for a job or closing a deal, the idea is to sell! sell! sell!

[xandra88]

Lemminade: My clothing business is doing great. Especially after putting it on the web! Skybiz - - what can I say? I am soooo excited to be with Skybiz.

BTW, MLMs are not cultish. Everyone's just...excited. Excited with the knowledge that they are someday going to lead a free life. Free from a boss. Free from a measly paying job. Free from time constraints. And ofcourse, MLM meetings are always like that...like having a family joke. I think it's nice to belong to a group that you can relate to, not just a job that you are striving so hard to be noticed by an ***____ boss. OOps...sorry if I hurt anyone.

[bagyoboy]

Networking 101:

1. You reap what you sow. The smarter you work, the better the income.
2. No matter how good the company, if your sponsor is a wimp and a chicken, you most probably won't be successful. You join the person, not the company. So check out the person more than the company.
3. If your sponsor is a chicken, look for the eagle up the organization, and show that you're an eagle too.
4. Its a duplication business, not a selling business. Duplicate your vision and enthusiasm and people will join you.
5. You'll never run out of people to talk to, but you may run out of vision of your future and enthusiasm.
6. Its a business of helping people. People would know right from the start if you're after their wallet or if you're sincere in helping them get out of the rut. Get them out of the rut, and you'll get out of the rut. The wealthiest people are most generous and loving.
7. People who join you are your mirror.
8. Failure usually involves a problem with your integrity and commitment.
9. If you focus on building up money, the people will not come; but if you build the people first, the money will come.
10. There's a lot more to MLM than money. It gives you power to be the master of your destiny and the captain of your soul.

[lemminade]

bagyoboy: AMEN!

[Theophilo]

"Master of my destiny," eh?

And what if I want to be a topnotch web applications developer? I sure won't get there selling health and beauty products at deliberately inflated prices which pay for my upline.

What if the market gets saturated so there's no one left to be recruited? I end up at the bottom of the chain, again paying deliberately inflated prices for products whose actual worth is about half the cost I'm getting them at. And the markup isn't because of a handing-down from wholesale to retail; it's because the people who recruited me are above me on ... gosh, what other shape could it be but a pyramid?

[virtualara]

A trapezoid, maybe? http://www.pinoyexchange.com/lol.gif

[bagyoboy]

Theophilo:

Congratulations! Because you know where you're going.
Just a word of caution: Working your butt out for hours and hours and many years of your life for a boss is essentially building his destiny. While you're working your butt out, the big boss plays golf and is travelling the world. Nothing wrong with working for someone else, but I'd like more for myself. Even if you're a developer with your own company, you worry about cash flow, collection, employee maintenance. If you're directly involve with your compnay opertions, you won't find the time to play golf and travel the world with your family. Networking doesn't involve such problems. Besides, when we're in our death bed, we won't be remembering the times we spent at work. We'll be remembering the times we spent with our family. Could you afford to spend six days a week with family and one day for work? Its possible with network marketing! Now that's FREEDOM and a great DESTINY!

When you look at the traditional distribution system, 40% of the selling price is the cost of the product, 30% is usually the markup of the wholesaler, another 30% goes to the retailer. The whole point of networking is rechanelling the distribution from the wholesaler and retailer to US (by word of mouth). So instead of Henry Sy and the Gokongwei's and the rich becoming richer, we ordinary citizens have a unique opportunity to become rich also at very small capital and just sipag at tyaga as puhunan. Isn't it great?!

A pyramid is a scheme where you don't get any product in exchange. What you pay out should be money for the product. So, with Amway, you're happy when you give your money because you have LOC and Glister toothpaste. With Forever Living, you're happy when you give your money because you have food supplements. Even without sponsoring other people, you should be happy because you have the products. But if you bought the products and just sit down and wait for the millions to come, that's another story. You should start working! Beware of companies that require you to sponsor first before you get your product - these are the illegal companies! In marketing, there should be an IMMEDIATE exchange. When you go to McDonalds and buy a burger, the attendant doesn't say, "You have to get two people before you get your burger."! You should get your burger immediately. Also, commissions given out by a legal company are taken from sales of products, not from recruitment of people.

[aticus]

ummm... seriously now... who among us in this thread use Glister toothpaste?

i'm a consultant for things like sales and marketing (among others) and i've helped some companies using MLM in the past. what i've learned is that some of them DO scam people. that's why now i'm only helping companies with real products whose business model is to SELL THE PRODUCTS, not find new distributors.

there are some good and legitimate MLM companies out there. for those of you who are part of them, more power to you. i'm certainly not making sweeping generalizations regarding your companies. but there are companies that promise unbelievable returns for products no one really wants which are sold for prices no one can really afford. trust me. one of the companies i was involved with had a chief operating officer who skimmed money off the top by inflating expenses, and the only person who reached the "top" rung of distributors (diamond, platinum, whatever you want to call it) was his father-in-law! (of course, he never told people that the only person who won the BMW and got the million peso bonus was his wife's dad).

and to all those who started these businesses, i hope one day you'll realize how many people you've fooled and how many you've hurt.

good luck to all those doing legitimate business.

[xandra88]

Originally posted by virtualara:
A trapezoid, maybe? http://www.pinoyexchange.com/lol.gif

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/lol.gif Trapezoid!!!!

[bagyoboy]

Originally posted by aticus
ummm... seriously now... who among us in this thread use Glister toothpaste?

i'm a consultant for things like sales and marketing (among others) and i've helped some companies using MLM in the past. what i've learned is that some of them DO scam people. that's why now i'm only helping companies with real products whose business model is to SELL THE PRODUCTS, not find new distributors.

there are some good and legitimate MLM companies out there. for those of you who are part of them, more power to you. i'm certainly not making sweeping generalizations regarding your companies. but there are companies that promise unbelievable returns for products no one really wants which are sold for prices no one can really afford. trust me. one of the companies i was involved with had a chief operating officer who skimmed money off the top by inflating expenses, and the only person who reached the "top" rung of distributors (diamond, platinum, whatever you want to call it) was his father-in-law! (of course, he never told people that the only person who won the BMW and got the million peso bonus was his wife's dad).

and to all those who started these businesses, i hope one day you'll realize how many people you've fooled and how many you've hurt.

good luck to all those doing legitimate business.

Number of Glister users in this thread - irrelevant. Amway started with 50 distributors. 45 quit, and 5 went on. From these 5, Amway now has $7B per year. Look at the ratio of quitters to winners. I wouldn't be surprised if only one person in this thread is using Glister.

Agree - there are bad apples in the industry. But selling will not give you as much volume and as quickly as you would if you train distributors.

[cianoy]

I've been thinking about networking lately. Some of the arguments are logical enough. There's trust because its a friend who refers you. Ad expenses are minimized.

But here's the problem why I never got into any networking business. I never found a good product, or perhaps better said, a product where I'm the market.

I think the problem is that networking companies focus on the distribution and the referral gimmicks. I would rather concentrate on the product.

In a sense, it's just like any other business. I'm sure their claims of hypergrowth are true, but I want the product to be in my league. I'm not going to buy P300 soap bars or worthless pensions or whatever gimmick product there is.

Why don't network companies concentrate on computers or phones, or perhaps even food?

Any thoughts?

[maxe]

i've joined a networking co. last month and I know that is company has a potential cause you dont have to sell anything and it is very easy. I'm so lucky cause my friend invited me to join that networking and before I joined, I she assured me that I will earn from it...and it works. I've joined other networking and this is the best and easiest.If you have extra time...there's no harm in trying.

[runaway]

im still skeptical about this mlm company. or rather all mlm companies. im not sure if i can do it. recruiting people to become my downlines, using the products, selling the products, etc. it seems hardwork. but i guess, i'll give it a try.

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[brownpau]

There's a thread on MLM's at http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=10684 .

I have several problems with how MLM's work. Basically, I think it's patently dishonest to charge several times the actual price for a product to pay for your upline's income. Something is wrong when the real profit comes from recruiting people rather than from selling a good product.

There's also a culture associated with MLM's that disturbs me. People I know who seriously get into network marketing are taken over by it; their lives revolve around the business. There's so much enthusiastic materialism it's almost cultish, very defensive, and more than a bit unnerving. Just attend any seminar, and you'll see what I mean.

Take a look at http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html for a holistic critique of multi-level-marketing.

[bagyoboy]

I did a little research, and I transcribed a video presentation of Dr. Charles King, a Harvard University graduate and a professor of marketing at University of Illinois, and a consultant for large businesses in the US. Harvard University and University of Illinois are teaching network marketing, and so are AIM, UP, Ateneo, and DLSU business schools(I think).

With all the "hype" out there, you might recognize a professional business model when you see one.

Just visit this site:

Network Marketing (http://www.skybusiness.com/hbcardenas/networking.html)

Hope it will be educational.

[zimdude]

Any new thoughts here? Well I'm not into sales of any form myself, pero nakakalula to think how much these people earn sa kanilang mga kuwento (haven't been to these myself though)... wow parang the work I do earns so little in comparison. About the not-working-for-a-boss bit, I don't mind working for a boss :D

So it makes me reflect upon my career path.

[battleangel]

i've been wondering about this too. right after college, i saw an ad that mentioned a technical/marketing position with good compensation. curious, i went with some friends. it turned out that they were selling this computer (i forgot the brand already) with all the packages at an absurdly high price. even with the peripherals, i knew that the product would be hard to sell with its price. also, the salary mentioned was not the "real" salary; only a measly amount of that would be the basic salary and the rest was how much you could earn as commission. from that i could sense that they were trying to deceive applicants. and they did, because i saw people from Ateneo, La Salle and UP lining up in business suits, thinking they'd be earning that much.

but i decided to attend the seminar, anyway, since i was there already. what bothered me was this lecture on how to "manipulate" people into buying the product. the speaker mentioned stuff like spotting targets right away, and knowing what it would take to convince them to buy the stuff. it concentrated more on convincing people to buy the product, and not how marketable and viable the product really was. i was listening and even i was not convinced about the product. i mean, even if i had the money i don't think that i would have bought the product anyway. so i left.

call me too idealistic but if i don't believe in a product, why would i sell it? the true measure of a product is that it should sell itself, and people would be willing to buy it even if it wasn't aggressively marketed to them. is it as "revolutionary" as it claims it is? is it worth its price? will it really make people's lives easier/better as it claims? what's the difference between this product and all the products in the market? would you buy the product if you had other choices?

for the others, please don't be offended, i'm only relating my experience. i'm not totally discounting this kind of profession. in fact, in the future, i would like to be able to create and market a product that i really believe would satisfy the needs of some people.

[benjiep]

Hey battleangel,

very right there should be a product. For everyone's benefit, here's the UK FAQ on true MLM vs. Pyramid schemes:


SECRETS OF THE PYRAMIDS, AND OTHER ANCIENT SCAMS

Pyramid scams, pyramid selling and MLM ( Multi Level Marketing ) schemes are the subject of much public confusion, to the financial gain of a few con men and the loss of many ordinary people.

First of all Multi Level Marketing, or MLM. You need to understand how a genuine MLM works in order to clearly see how the pyramid version is a scam.

Multi Level Marketing is a perfectly valid and effective way of distributing product to the end user, just as is direct mail, off the page, and even , through shops.

Read that again. The key words are "distribution", "product", and "end user". End users are customers, but, as we shall see, in the con game, not all customers are end users. An end user is someone who wants the product or service purely as a USER. He is SPENDING MONEY WITHOUT HOPE OF FINANCIAL GAIN. He is the most important part of any genuine business. This is the very simple point that scam artists hope that you do not understand.

The difference between a genuine Multi Level Marketing business opportunity and a scam is that the MLM scheme has END USERS. People who ACTUALLY BUY THE PRODUCT. In any genuine scheme you should only be asking yourself one question " can I sell this, at the price being asked". It is like any other business. There is a product, there needs to be buyers. Given that you can sell the product you can make a margin.

It you think that the product is over priced, forget it, the business will not work for you, no matter what the margins or downlines. If you personally don't think you know people who will buy the product, forget it. But if you like the product, would use it yourself, and think the price fair, then perhaps there is a business.

Only then do you look at the business plan. This will show that the more people in your organisation the better your profits. But these profits are derived from ACTUAL SALES. No sales, no profit. Do not underestimate how hard it is to build and maintain an organisation of 50 people selling £250 per month each, ( which, in most respectable MLM companies would make you £1000 -£2000pm personal income). It is a time intensive people business requiring great innate organisational and admin. skills. It is also true that many ordinary people who get involved in MLM find that they have these skills, which they had never before suspected, and they make money.

It is worth noting that most genuine MLM schemes are restricted to products where the normal distribution system ( factory to agent to importer to agent to wholesaler to shop ) builds up very high margins, and where there is scope for repeat orders.

Prime areas include diet and health related products, perfumes , cosmetics and jewellery. The MLM company avoids the normal advertising and marketing overhead, and , by going for quality, can create a valid and sustainable niche.

Genuine MLMs also discourage stockpiling. They genuinely do not want you to buy your way to top level by filling your garage with junk. They know that a few sob stories means bad press, and they have a genuine business. Good MLMs will tell you to only buy to fill orders, and to only carry stock once you have steady turnover to get rid of it.

If an MLM is trying to move a product that people do not buy very often then I would question the logic of MLM as a viable plan. Ditto if the product appears overpriced compared to the usual channels. And if they suggest buying some so that the clients don't have to wait, drop it like a stone.

In short you can make a lot of money, ( I know someone who made £250,000 in two years, and I heard since that he went over the million ), in genuine MLM, but you have to treat it like any other business, albeit one with a very low entry cost. Are there customers for your product, customers that you can reach and sell to?

However the reality is that for most people even genuine MLM schemes will result is something between a modest loss ( £100 - £500 in sundry expenses ) and modest profit, ( some personal clients and a few parties, plus a couple of other part timers in the downline to make holiday / little extras money). That said I would recommend trying an MLM to anyone with pretensions to their own business. It will be a very good learning experience, and, even if it makes a loss, cheaper and more useful than most courses. And perhaps you will be one those who make good money.

But you wanted to know about pyramids and scams.


Pyramids
In the UK Pyramid Selling is illegal. This has not stopped it happening, and under various guises, such as "business clubs", or (incorrectly) MLM , ( hence my introduction above).

A pyramid is ALWAYS presented as a way to make money. There might be a product, but even the most cursory study will show that there is no real market for that product, and that the trick is to sell the product or service to others who would only buy it in the hope of selling it to others who etc etc. Such pseudo products can include "reports", "catalogues", or "membership", as well as obvious rubbish.

There might not be a product, ( this is the approach of the "business clubs"). You pay to join because you think that you can get others who pay to join because they think that they can get others who etc etc.

The scheme may be incorporated as a business ( a mistake as it makes it easier for the DTI to close it ), or they might avoid that trap and be structured in another way, such as a club.

They might come up with a spurious excuse or talk about tax issues, making income tax free or some such plausible tosh.

A pyramid presentation may take many forms, but there is one thing that they all have in common, they will draw charts showing vast wealth in short time, from, it would appear, quite modest numbers of people in your downline. A lot of schemes ask for a draconian "confidentiality" or "secrecy" clause. This is bunk. It means nothing and will not protect the scam from anyone who knows the rules, but they do scare lay people.

The other key feature of a pyramid is that it MUST have new members to keep it growing. If it stops growing it dies because the recent recruits are unhappy, as they realise that they have paid out , and won't get any money. ( Compare this to a genuine MLM. Imagine that you build an organisation of 50 people, and then stop building. Do the new recruits lose? No, because they are selling product to the public. They do not NEED new downline, though such downline may well be desirable).

Some people will make money from the pyramid. These are the people who get in early, normally those who start it. Let us assume that you are not the person who starts it, but that you have been taken to a meeting or otherwise introduced. Let us assume that at the time you join there are only 200 members in the entire country, which I think you will agree is pretty early. ( In fact of course you will always be told that you are in early, and what that means in terms of numbers will never be made clear. As you can see below it does not really matter how early you get it, it is always too late).

Simple question, how much money will you make? I'm not going to answer that, but what I will do is look at how the pyramid grows, and then you can judge for yourself if you get offered one.

Let us make the following assumption. That each person talks to 5 people at each stage, and that 2 people, trusting their friend, actually join.

We will assume that as soon a decent journalist or financial adviser hears about it the scheme dies, either due to bad publicity or the DTI closing it.

From this it can be seen that the money will be made during the period before which the story breaks and the DTI close it down.

Some numbers. There are circa 15,000 Independent Financial Advisers and 200-300,000 in Financial Services generally. Let us assume that people on the whole are not daft enough to invite such people and that in fact only a few of the potential experts might get involved. Let us say that there are 10,000 who might, eventually be invited, and that that invite means death to the scheme via publicity or DTI.

There are 50,000,000 people in the UK, so the scheme should grow quite nicely before this happens.

Actually make that 30,000,000 earners. Still, plenty of room. But note, 30,000,000 divided by 10,000 implies that one person in 3000 knows how to , and has the motive, to stop the scheme.

Here goes the maths, and a "phase" is simply the time taken for that level of growth. It might be a week, a month, or vary.

200 people tell 5 each, so numbers who know of the scheme grow to 1200, and those enrolled to 600. You have introduced 2 people.

Does the scheme survive? Probably. You'd be very unlucky to have snared an expert.

Next phase. The 600 tell 5 each so 3600 people know about it, and the numbers enrolled grow to 1800. You have introduced 4 people altogether, and your downline has introduced 4, giving you an organisation of 8.

Does the scheme survive? Alarm bells are beginning to ring. An expert became aware of the scam when you passed 3000.

Next phase. The 1800 tell 5 each so 10,800 people know about it, and enrolment grows to 5400. You have personally introduced 6 people, and your organisation is 26 strong

Does the scheme survive? I doubt it, the press is on the trail and there are mutterings in the ranks of the recent members, ( 18 people in your group alone have handed over money and as yet seen NO return).

But lets give you one more bash.

5400 tell 5 people each so that 32,400 know about it. That is one person in every 1000. If you think there is still room for growth then you need your head examined. Lets forget this phase and assume that the scheme wound up with you having 26 people below you.

(The next figures are, as it happens, 97200, and then 291600, and then 874,800.)

As you can we have only progressed three layers deep and run out of room to grow. Pyramid scams work partly because most people cannot do the maths and do not realise how fast the scam burns through the population.


The Money.
Did you make any money? As an early joiner you should have had some good cash flow, but are you going to make any net money? Let us assume that profit is reached when you have an organisation of 4 people.

Well you have 26 so you have made money. But lets look at those people.

You introduced two people, probably friends, in each phase. They will have handed over some money. Hundreds of pounds for sure, perhaps thousands, on the basis that you said that they would make money. All they had to do was find 4 people, what could be simpler?

Lets see. In the last phase you introduced two people who did not get the chance to introduce anyone and are totally out of pocket. How do you feel? Want to make good?

In the previous phase you introduced 2 other friends, who have introduced two people each. They are out of pocket. Are you going to make good?

In the first phase you introduced 2 of your best friends, who each have 6 people in their organisation, so they have made money, but all those 6 ( i.e. 12 ) people are in a loss, and if your friends make their loss good then they have lost out. Are you going to help them?

The money flowed up the chain to the people who started it, and you can be fairly sure that either they , or their money, have left the country, leaving you with, quite possibly , a series of civil court cases and perhaps bankruptcy. The more you made, the more you lose. You certainly lose the friends whose money you lost.

Say the cost is £1000 to join and you averaged an income of £500 per person in downline. If you get stuck with the can and try to reimburse their money you have to pay out £26,000 on an income of £13,000, or let friends, and friends of friends, down. Suddenly buying that BMW does not look so smart.

Read that again - in the space of a few weeks you personally banked £13,000 in scheme income and were well on the way to riches, but sudenly as the scheme fails you need to find £26,000 if you want to keep your reputation. Since the people who took the other £13,000 are the scammers you can be sure that they ain't going to give it back.


Bullet points.
Beware any talk that concentrates on money , not product.

Beware any event at which a confidentiality clause must be signed. ( Though feel free to sign, you can simply ignore the entire document it if it turns out to be a pyramid, and you can report them to the DTI.

Beware any scheme where the money is derived from getting people to join the scheme, and there is no emphasis on selling actual product.

Beware any scheme whose product you would not buy yourself as a customer.

Beware anything not set up as Limited Company.

Beware any scheme where buying the product in volume is acceptable in advance of sales.

Remember. Sharp suited conmen the world over know only one rule, "you can only hustle a hustler". If at any time there is a nod and wink, an indication that you are lucky to be there, fortunate to have been selected, or about to rip off the tax man then be alert. They are looking for the guy who is nodding, the guy who thinks that he is smart, but is really just asking for it.

If it looks too good to be true, then it is.

Postscript. Since writing this I have had about one email a week from the US, from people concerned about some organisation or other, and wondering what to do. I have been informed that the following people want to hear from you. The National Fraud Information Center http://www.fraud.org The National Fraud Information Center is a non-profit organization headquartered in Washington, D.C., which helps consumers to report fraud and offers helpful advice on how to avoid becoming a victim.Incident reports are entered in the NFIC database and referred electronically to the National Electronic Fraud Database administered by the Federal Trade Commission and the National Association of Attorneys General. NFIC incident reports are also referred to variety of federal and state regulatory and enforcement agencies- the FBI, Secret Service, U S Postal Inspectors, Securities and Exchange Commission, and US Attorneys

[annsky]

Originally posted by Bobby Magnaye
MLM is a legitimate business and it only works for people who wants to do the work and with burning desire to succeed. It's not a get rich quick scheme. The more work you do, the more money you can make.


His right, problem with other people is, they only think of how much money they are going to get from it, without first thinking if they have the talent of recruiting people.
I recently joined an certain MLM, where a cousin of my husband recruited me, she invested $234, and her first check was worth $400+, next was $500+, then $1,300+ and last was $400+ again. So far I already received my first check worth $147.+.

[palacio_a]

Originally posted by brownpau
I'm with Forever Living, and it has some really darn good aloe vera health/beauty products and a decent at-your-leisure points scheme.

But there's a culture associated with MLM's that gnaws at me. People I know who seriously get into network marketing are taken over by it; their lives revolve around the business. There's so much enthusiastic materialism it's almost cultish, and more than a bit unnerving. Just attend a seminar, and you'll see what I mean.

By the way, anyone here with SkyBiz? Who's willing to pay $110 a year for webspace and email that you could get from any free service on the web?

The thing is you haven't incorporated the culture of FLP. Look if it looks cultish to you then get the hell out of our office! We talk about dreams and all thats what drives us on to work I mean I'm already a multi-millionaire but as far as happiness is concerned I Don't have it y? bec. I'm in traditional business but in FLP we talk about time and financial freedom! Now who in his right mind wont go crazy about THAT sort of thing! PLUS don't tell anything bad about other company as well the hell with them if they are the illegal type or legit MLM you should know that BECAUSE IT'S SLUNDERING!!! and you could be sued by a company because of that.

Well as an ethical networker I prefer to say that we don't have much choice but to go into MLM, as in all of us, you'll get what I mean when MLM starts bitting in the Phil. economy as it is in the 1st worlds.

BTW, Who wants to become rich contact me ASAP!

[palacio_a]

By the way, to all networkers participating in this discussion may i please request that we stop our crab mentality habit and avoid saying anything rude about each others company or that particular person risk of being sued. CASE: Slundering.

For future reference for future participants.

LOVE THE INDUSTRY, LOVE YOURSELF
-Culture of FLPPI

[zimdude]

Calling the finance people and economists...

It seems that the products sold via MLM are foreign products... well of course the stuff you buy at the supermarket are the same... anyway you can't let the money in country grow or else you'll have inflation..

so my question is, if the people in MLM gain, who loses?

How would you compare MLM business as opposed to the usual business which needs capital?

[brownpau]

we don't have much choice but to go into MLM, as in all of us, you'll get what I mean when MLM starts bitting in the Phil. economy as it is in the 1st worlds.

I constantly hear that sentiment... "Jump on, because MLM is the wave of the future, the wave of the new economy; this is how all businesses will be running in the future..."

I've been hearing it for years. And I know it's not going to happen. No business model will work on a wide scale where products are deliebrately overpriced in a pricing pyramid which gives cheaper products to the leaders whose only advantage is that they got on the pyramid earlier.

Oh, I have no doubt that it works, and it does make scads of money for people who can recruit and sell proficiently; but MLM is not something which will ever enjoy more than the niche market it does today, simply because the scheme doesn't work for anything bu t a small market. It draws on a large following of lower-level distributors to supply the needs of a smaller level of uplines without regard for the very distinct possibility of market oversaturation, product oversupply, or lethal product misrepresentation by uninformed-but-well-meaning distributors.

But I shall stop here. Wouldn't want to be accused of (giggle) "slundering," would we? :p

(Just to be fair, I still use FLP aloe vera products, and I find them wonderfully effective, even at these grossly inflated prices. Nothing beats constipation like that aloe juice.)

[palacio_a]

Originally posted by brownpau
we don't have much choice but to go into MLM, as in all of us, you'll get what I mean when MLM starts bitting in the Phil. economy as it is in the 1st worlds.

I constantly hear that sentiment... "Jump on, because MLM is the wave of the future, the wave of the new economy; this is how all businesses will be running in the future..."

I've been hearing it for years. And I know it's not going to happen. No business model will work on a wide scale where products are deliebrately overpriced in a pricing pyramid which gives cheaper products to the leaders whose only advantage is that they got on the pyramid earlier.

Oh, I have no doubt that it works, and it does make scads of money for people who can recruit and sell proficiently; but MLM is not something which will ever enjoy more than the niche market it does today, simply because the scheme doesn't work for anything bu t a small market. It draws on a large following of lower-level distributors to supply the needs of a smaller level of uplines without regard for the very distinct possibility of market oversaturation, product oversupply, or lethal product misrepresentation by uninformed-but-well-meaning distributors.

But I shall stop here. Wouldn't want to be accused of (giggle) "slundering," would we? :p

(Just to be fair, I still use FLP aloe vera products, and I find them wonderfully effective, even at these grossly inflated prices. Nothing beats constipation like that aloe juice.)

Theorethically over-saturation can happen...but in reality it can't pyramids are those companies who has no products...MLM is legit and will go the extra mile traditional business wasn't able to accomplish... if you like more info about MLM go read books about MLM in text books in ATENEO!! btw, Aloe vera gel is not overpriced if you like to contest that i'll just laugh... aloe vera gel can get rid of almost all your health problems now how much can that cost in a hospital?

[palacio_a]

Originally posted by arsel
earthwarrior1: are you now engage in MLM?

If not what's the best MLM here in the Philippines that you know? Yong affordable lang ha sa bulsa? :)

Actually madaming e, BUT i suggest you do some research kasi madaming potential manloloko na MLM, DAW, so... go get some knowledge and contact me via email and i'll give you the best... as awarded by the Consumer Union of the Phil, and European Economic Council.

palacio_a@edsamail.com

[palacio_a]

Originally posted by zimdude
Calling the finance people and economists...

It seems that the products sold via MLM are foreign products... well of course the stuff you buy at the supermarket are the same... anyway you can't let the money in country grow or else you'll have inflation..

so my question is, if the people in MLM gain, who loses?

How would you compare MLM business as opposed to the usual business which needs capital?

Simple... the loosers are those who cannot move thier products among thier target matket... madami yun hirap sabihin lahat...

MLM is a better way to move products to your target market and traditional is limited within the range of that business's capacity to advertise the product through local media, in MLM you already have a customer base so advertising won't be a problem (As with jockey who joined FLP Taiwan who's sales shoot-up way beyond the normal level).

[palacio_a]

Originally posted by Theophilo
"Master of my destiny," eh?

And what if I want to be a topnotch web applications developer? I sure won't get there selling health and beauty products at deliberately inflated prices which pay for my upline.

What if the market gets saturated so there's no one left to be recruited? I end up at the bottom of the chain, again paying deliberately inflated prices for products whose actual worth is about half the cost I'm getting them at. And the markup isn't because of a handing-down from wholesale to retail; it's because the people who recruited me are above me on ... gosh, what other shape could it be but a pyramid?

first of all... you don't know anything about MLM, that for sure i know, so read about MLM first before you speak your ideas, which is by the way a wrong idea of MLM(MAGALING YUNG MGA NAG-AGREE SA KANYA!), i suggest you discuss this with ateneans taking MLM courses so they can enlighten you about MLM.

[palacio_a]

I don't know if anybody wrote this but might as well share it.

in MLM you sponsor people into your business right...

SO if 5 begets 5, and 25 begets 5 per person, and 125 begets 5 per person... and so on.... thats what people call saturation until it reaches a number equal to a significant number of the whole population, around 60 percent...

In theory that can happen but in reality it can't... if this is true then FLP should have run out of proespects in the Phil. but i, as i have experienced it, is of the total opposite.

Not all people will join MLM around 90% will choose to reject your offer and the rest will join and out of those who will join you around 50% will drop-out.

With this statistic V.S. Birth rate you will see why over-saturation cannot occur.

I hope i have enlightened those who have no idea about MLM.

PS: NETWORKING IS A PROFFESSION AND CODE OF ETHICS GUIDES IT so reminder to other networkers pls. stop proselytizing other networkers in other firms.

LOVE THE INDUSTRY, LOVE YOURSELF.
-FLPPI CULTURE

[palacio_a]

Let me share something to you a story that has a lot of lesson.

an elephant is chained to a metal peg, now think can an elephant with all it's might break free?, but why cant that elephant break free? why do you think? the answer is in his past... when the elephant was young he doesn't have enough strength to break free from the restraints now as that elephant gets older he mindsetts himself that he can no longer break free from the restraints... now relate this story to your life...

BREAK FREE FROM THE MENTAL CHAIN!

Wake up to reality and accept the facts! it's time to realize what life truly means...

WE ALL HAVE DREAMS TO ACHIEVE... BUT IS YOUR DREAM BIG ENOUGH?

"ask and you shall recieve, seek and you shall find, knock and you shall be opened" --- This has a reason decipher its meaning.

[brownpau]

Originally posted by palacio_a
Theorethically over-saturation can happen...but in reality it can't pyramids are those companies who has no products...MLM is legit and will go the extra mile traditional business wasn't able to accomplish... if you like more info about MLM go read books about MLM in text books in ATENEO!! btw, Aloe vera gel is not overpriced if you like to contest that i'll just laugh... aloe vera gel can get rid of almost all your health problems now how much can that cost in a hospital?


I won't contest your flood of arguments for the legitimacy of MLM as a business. You are, after all, entitled to your opinion, and I'm sure that just because Ateneo teaches it, that makes it a perfectly legitimate venture. But on pricing, just a note on costs...

Aloe Vera Gel, distributor-level: P450.
Aloe Vera Gel, "manager"-level: about P225.

Managers get a 50% discount. That's with rebate figured in already. So what's the real cost of the product, and why is it so grossly overpriced (double!) when it could be readily available to the consumer at 50% of the distributor cost? That's not just wholesale-to-retail markup, and not just import tax. It's payment to customers whose main advantage, again, is that they started earlier. Is that legitimate? More importantly, is that ethical?

[aticus]

from: palacio_a
first of all... you don't know anything about MLM, that for sure i know, so read about MLM first before you speak your ideas, which is by the way a wrong idea of MLM(MAGALING YUNG MGA NAG-AGREE SA KANYA!), i suggest you discuss this with ateneans taking MLM courses so they can enlighten you about MLM.


Well, I find your insult of a fellow PExer a bit disturbing. In any case, I studied in Ateneo. :) Now I'm a consultant and one of my clients in the past three years is one of the biggest MLM groups in the country. I know what I'm talking about with MLM. I can even give you the facts and figures, including the processes and prices, of groups like Amway, Nu Skin, etc., etc.

That said, however, I will have to agree with Brownpau and many others who say that MLM is a dodgy proposition for many, many people.

And to take off from zimdude's question about who loses, let me say the following:

1) Not every MLM group, even the legitimate ones who actually sell real products, have products that people will really use. My favorite example has always been Amway's "Glister" toothpaste. I mean, seriously, I know at least 20 Amway distributors personally, and NONE of them use it. That's right. Zero. Nada. They use Colgate, mostly. :D This means that the prospects for long-term growth are difficult, bec. at the end of the chain, you'll have people who invest thousands for products they don't use and can't sell. The end-users lose, mostly. And the distributors who are stuck with difficult to sell items also lose.

2) Yes, there will be oversaturation eventually for many MLM groups. And my definition of oversaturation is, I think, a bit more realistic than mr. palacio's. I don't define oversaturation as having too many people as distributors. Of course you'll never get even as much as 10% of a country distributing the stuff you sell. I define oversaturation as having NO REALISTIC CHANCE OF SELLING TO ANY OF YOUR KNOWN CONTACTS. This, I believe, is already happening with many groups. It is also why it is imperative that the products you sell be priced attractively, because when you can't sell to your friends, the only way to make money is to recruit total strangers. And THEY won't buy on the basis of trust alone. Since these products are priced atrociously high, it is extremely difficult to penetrate other markets.

3) Finally, NOT EVERYONE GETS RICH WITH MLM. In fact, I can say with confidence that, contrary to the nice statistics your MLM marketer will show you, a majority of MLM salespeople are not only NOT rich, but are struggling to make a living. Mr. Palacio aside, there aren't many multi-millionaires in MLM. Most of them are those who came in within the first 6 months of operation, and are often friends of the main distributor here in the Philippines. I know one MLM company whose sole "diamond" distributor, the guy who won the BMW prize, was actually the father-in-law of the guy who started it all! No one else has won the BMW in the company. I'm not surprised at all.

I would seriously caution anyone about joining an MLM group. The people who sell are highly-trained, very glib, and quite impressive-looking. But they don't always sell you products you can use. And the only way for you to often make money is to get all your friends and family involved, many of whom will rue the day they joined you.
In my humble opinion, I would only consider at most two or three groups to be viable long-term options for most Filipinos.

My advice? Make sure the products you are required to purchase are those you would regularly use yourself. If YOU don't use them, why would you expect your friends and family to? And would you really sleep well at night knowing you sold your mom toothpaste that isn't as good as Colgate and costs much more?

And I'm sorry, I just can't resist :D, but I am not "slundering" anyone! :lol:

[bagyoboy]

:lol:

[Mikoid]

I've been frequently approached by an MLMer to attend a seminar, and despite explicit denials, I keep getting "invitations" on a monthly basis.

What frustrates me is the constant misrepresentation in this industry.

I've received lures from everything ranging from "e-commerce seminars" to "lunch meetings (which just happen to be elaborate sales pitches)".

Why the lack of transparency? Why can't a pitch be made directly up front? Why is it that it has to explained in the context of hopes and dreams fulfilled than in explicit business terms?

In my experience, MLMers seem to believe in their own value propositions, business legitimacy and ability to generate profit. Yet they constantly shroud their business models and processes in order to lure distributors to their indoctrination seminars.

I hope some of the MLMers here can address this issue.

[Mikoid]

One such "e-commerce seminar" was 15 minutes of Internet prospects and 90 minutes of hawking PH-balanced cosmetics.

[aticus]

Originally posted by Mikoid
I've been frequently approached by an MLMer to attend a seminar, and despite explicit denials, I keep getting "invitations" on a monthly basis.

What frustrates me is the constant misrepresentation in this industry.

I've received lures from everything ranging from "e-commerce seminars" to "lunch meetings (which just happen to be elaborate sales pitches)".

Why the lack of transparency? Why can't a pitch be made directly up front? Why is it that it has to explained in the context of hopes and dreams fulfilled than in explicit business terms?


They're trained that way. :D The whole point is their big shots acknowledge that MLM has a bad rep, so they hide the real products/company, etc., bec. they know that when most people get wind of it, they'll say no. They just have to trust in their presenters and presentation materials later on to convince those dumb enough to actually attend their seminars.

Don't get me wrong, Mr. Palacio, I'm not saying that ALL groups do this. I must say that the major MLM groups are generally more forthright about things, especially Amway, since they have a track record spanning many years. I don't want you to suffer from apoplexy. :D

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by brownpau
Originally posted by palacio_a
Theorethically over-saturation can happen...but in reality it can't pyramids are those companies who has no products...MLM is legit and will go the extra mile traditional business wasn't able to accomplish... if you like more info about MLM go read books about MLM in text books in ATENEO!! btw, Aloe vera gel is not overpriced if you like to contest that i'll just laugh... aloe vera gel can get rid of almost all your health problems now how much can that cost in a hospital?


I won't contest your flood of arguments for the legitimacy of MLM as a business. You are, after all, entitled to your opinion, and I'm sure that just because Ateneo teaches it, that makes it a perfectly legitimate venture. But on pricing, just a note on costs...

Aloe Vera Gel, distributor-level: P450.
Aloe Vera Gel, "manager"-level: about P225.

Managers get a 50% discount. That's with rebate figured in already. So what's the real cost of the product, and why is it so grossly overpriced (double!) when it could be readily available to the consumer at 50% of the distributor cost? That's not just wholesale-to-retail markup, and not just import tax. It's payment to customers whose main advantage, again, is that they started earlier. Is that legitimate? More importantly, is that ethical?

Look prove to me about those figures? Where did you get it and how did you came up to that conclusion?

MLM is legit, ethical, and moral. MAN now i know how the early pioneers of something new felt. In forever living WE all get 30% discount at the start so we all start equal it's up to you to climb the ladder of FLP so you can get bigger rebates and bigger income which would total to 43% + 18%, excluding all the incentives and rewards for higher perfomance levels, which means you have to WORK to get the priveledge but a person who started late can earn more what the earlier guys earn as long as he WORK harder than the early birds and that concept you are try to use is 4 PYRAMIDING schemes and FLP is not, NOT, of such scheme.

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by aticus
from: palacio_a
first of all... you don't know anything about MLM, that for sure i know, so read about MLM first before you speak your ideas, which is by the way a wrong idea of MLM(MAGALING YUNG MGA NAG-AGREE SA KANYA!), i suggest you discuss this with ateneans taking MLM courses so they can enlighten you about MLM.


Well, I find your insult of a fellow PExer a bit disturbing. In any case, I studied in Ateneo. :) Now I'm a consultant and one of my clients in the past three years is one of the biggest MLM groups in the country. I know what I'm talking about with MLM. I can even give you the facts and figures, including the processes and prices, of groups like Amway, Nu Skin, etc., etc.

That said, however, I will have to agree with Brownpau and many others who say that MLM is a dodgy proposition for many, many people.

And to take off from zimdude's question about who loses, let me say the following:

1) Not every MLM group, even the legitimate ones who actually sell real products, have products that people will really use. My favorite example has always been Amway's "Glister" toothpaste. I mean, seriously, I know at least 20 Amway distributors personally, and NONE of them use it. That's right. Zero. Nada. They use Colgate, mostly. :D This means that the prospects for long-term growth are difficult, bec. at the end of the chain, you'll have people who invest thousands for products they don't use and can't sell. The end-users lose, mostly. And the distributors who are stuck with difficult to sell items also lose.

2) Yes, there will be oversaturation eventually for many MLM groups. And my definition of oversaturation is, I think, a bit more realistic than mr. palacio's. I don't define oversaturation as having too many people as distributors. Of course you'll never get even as much as 10% of a country distributing the stuff you sell. I define oversaturation as having NO REALISTIC CHANCE OF SELLING TO ANY OF YOUR KNOWN CONTACTS. This, I believe, is already happening with many groups. It is also why it is imperative that the products you sell be priced attractively, because when you can't sell to your friends, the only way to make money is to recruit total strangers. And THEY won't buy on the basis of trust alone. Since these products are priced atrociously high, it is extremely difficult to penetrate other markets.

3) Finally, NOT EVERYONE GETS RICH WITH MLM. In fact, I can say with confidence that, contrary to the nice statistics your MLM marketer will show you, a majority of MLM salespeople are not only NOT rich, but are struggling to make a living. Mr. Palacio aside, there aren't many multi-millionaires in MLM. Most of them are those who came in within the first 6 months of operation, and are often friends of the main distributor here in the Philippines. I know one MLM company whose sole "diamond" distributor, the guy who won the BMW prize, was actually the father-in-law of the guy who started it all! No one else has won the BMW in the company. I'm not surprised at all.

I would seriously caution anyone about joining an MLM group. The people who sell are highly-trained, very glib, and quite impressive-looking. But they don't always sell you products you can use. And the only way for you to often make money is to get all your friends and family involved, many of whom will rue the day they joined you.
In my humble opinion, I would only consider at most two or three groups to be viable long-term options for most Filipinos.

My advice? Make sure the products you are required to purchase are those you would regularly use yourself. If YOU don't use them, why would you expect your friends and family to? And would you really sleep well at night knowing you sold your mom toothpaste that isn't as good as Colgate and costs much more?

And I'm sorry, I just can't resist :D, but I am not "slundering" anyone! :lol:

Well said... but....

Just how credible are you?

The thing is people would judge something they thought they know about when in reality they don't know much about that certain topic. KE GAW in chinese and nagmamarunong in filipino.

1) Not every MLM group, even the legitimate ones who actually sell real products, have products that people will really use. My favorite example has always been Amway's "Glister" toothpaste. I mean, seriously, I know at least 20 Amway distributors personally, and NONE of them use it. That's right. Zero. Nada. They use Colgate, mostly. :D This means that the prospects for long-term growth are difficult, bec. at the end of the chain, you'll have people who invest thousands for products they don't use and can't sell. The end-users lose, mostly. And the distributors who are stuck with difficult to sell items also lose.

---- That is in the case of Amway, but you are generalizing, not all MLM companies have worthless products which means it depends on which company you joined. MLM if with the right products can attract prospects in the long run, WAY LONG, as in the case of Taiwan, go figure what happened there(off the topic). The end-users... depends still on the company you joined... so in other words this #1 rebutal is totally dependent on what MLM company you joined... GETS?

2) Yes, there will be oversaturation eventually for many MLM groups. And my definition of oversaturation is, I think, a bit more realistic than mr. palacio's. I don't define oversaturation as having too many people as distributors. Of course you'll never get even as much as 10% of a country distributing the stuff you sell. I define oversaturation as having NO REALISTIC CHANCE OF SELLING TO ANY OF YOUR KNOWN CONTACTS. This, I believe, is already happening with many groups. It is also why it is imperative that the products you sell be priced attractively, because when you can't sell to your friends, the only way to make money is to recruit total strangers. And THEY won't buy on the basis of trust alone. Since these products are priced atrociously high, it is extremely difficult to penetrate other markets.

---NO REALISTIC CHANCE OF SELLING TO ANY OF YOUR KNOWN CONTACTS... really now? you sure as in really sure about this? have you tried pushing products of a certain MLM company and what company? STILL IT IS DEPENDENT ON WHICH COMPANY YOU JOINED. PRODUCT QUALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!( i have to agree most MLM companies lack this) the main reason why many MLM companies fail(they sell low quality products) NOT WORTH YOUR MONEY indeed. However, not all MLM companies are like this, DON'T generalize.

3) Finally, NOT EVERYONE GETS RICH WITH MLM. In fact, I can say with confidence that, contrary to the nice statistics your MLM marketer will show you, a majority of MLM salespeople are not only NOT rich, but are struggling to make a living. Mr. Palacio aside, there aren't many multi-millionaires in MLM. Most of them are those who came in within the first 6 months of operation, and are often friends of the main distributor here in the Philippines. I know one MLM company whose sole "diamond" distributor, the guy who won the BMW prize, was actually the father-in-law of the guy who started it all! No one else has won the BMW in the company. I'm not surprised at all.

---- AGAIN IT DEPENDS ON THE COMPANY YOU JOINED and also depends on the distributors activity level and commitment to what he is doing. look at it this way, you have juan tamad and juan masipag which one do you think would get the prize of earning big in MLM, STILL dependent on the company you joined. you main enemy in MLM is yourself, you attitude towards life in general, why do you think most people prefer to end up as employees anyway? They dont have much resposibility and they like a happy go lucky lifestyle, or hanging around, DONT TELL ME I'M WRONG JUST LOOK AT LIFESTYLE'S OF THE RICH? AND FAMOUS? EMPLOYEES(NOT ALL). So don't generalize.

Finally, i do agree with your last comments about being catiuos in joining MLM companies because not all are as good as my company.

HOW TO CHOOSE WHICH MLM COMPANY TO JOIN?
1) look at the company profile.
-a MLM company must atleast have been operational for 10 years. look if it has a history of law suits, loans, etc... THE BOTTOM LINE IS DIG FOR RELAVANT INFO ABOUT THAT COMPANY and trust the facts only.

2) look at the products.
-the products must be practical, economical, and safe to use. i recommend daily consumables, health products, and cosmetics(NOT ALL).

3) look at the marketing plan or compensation plan.
-when looking at a marketing plan don't get excited about the percentages and estimates but look at how many people have proven that the marketing plan works.

"LOVE THE INDUSTRY, LOVE YOURSELF"
-FLPPI CULTURE

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by Mikoid
I've been frequently approached by an MLMer to attend a seminar, and despite explicit denials, I keep getting "invitations" on a monthly basis.

What frustrates me is the constant misrepresentation in this industry.

I've received lures from everything ranging from "e-commerce seminars" to "lunch meetings (which just happen to be elaborate sales pitches)".

Why the lack of transparency? Why can't a pitch be made directly up front? Why is it that it has to explained in the context of hopes and dreams fulfilled than in explicit business terms?

In my experience, MLMers seem to believe in their own value propositions, business legitimacy and ability to generate profit. Yet they constantly shroud their business models and processes in order to lure distributors to their indoctrination seminars.

I hope some of the MLMers here can address this issue.

It's because.... people rejects the networker the minute they hear the word MLM or Networking. So we have to guise to get door entry, I myself dont like this part but... what choice do we have against a misinformed public.

However, not all distributors are like this it depends on his/her style.

We use this style of invitation to get the prospect to a meeting place so we can try to open his/her mind about MLM and educate her what MLM is REALLY about.

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by aticus
Originally posted by Mikoid
I've been frequently approached by an MLMer to attend a seminar, and despite explicit denials, I keep getting "invitations" on a monthly basis.

What frustrates me is the constant misrepresentation in this industry.

I've received lures from everything ranging from "e-commerce seminars" to "lunch meetings (which just happen to be elaborate sales pitches)".

Why the lack of transparency? Why can't a pitch be made directly up front? Why is it that it has to explained in the context of hopes and dreams fulfilled than in explicit business terms?


They're trained that way. :D The whole point is their big shots acknowledge that MLM has a bad rep, so they hide the real products/company, etc., bec. they know that when most people get wind of it, they'll say no. They just have to trust in their presenters and presentation materials later on to convince those dumb enough to actually attend their seminars.

Don't get me wrong, Mr. Palacio, I'm not saying that ALL groups do this. I must say that the major MLM groups are generally more forthright about things, especially Amway, since they have a track record spanning many years. I don't want you to suffer from apoplexy. :D

This is true... some MLM companies are like this.

"They just have to trust in their presenters and presentation materials later on to convince those dumb enough to actually attend their seminars." siguro isa ka sa mga yun noh? The proper term is we advertise to get people to buy or join, much like ads in traditional media not all of them are as good as they say they are.

"LOVE THE INDUSTRY, LOVE YOURSELF"
-FLPPI CULTURE

[aticus]

Hmmm... How credible am I? :D It really depends. I never had to deal directly with MLM distributors because the people I dealt with are at the President/CEO/Founder level. (Please note, I've dealt with more than one MLM group, and have attended MLM seminars for more than 5 different groups as part of my work.) So do I understand you at your level? Probably not. I have a slightly different level of understanding... ;)

As for the different "generalizations" you accuse me of making, I invite you to read that post again. When did I ever say that ALL MLM companies were bad? I used words like "many" which does not in any way imply universality. If you got hurt by what you thought was a direct reference to your company, perhaps you found more in my post that hit home than I would have thought you could get from a deliberately vague post (You'll notice I NEVER mentioned Forever Living, or any other MLM group by name. I only mentioned Amway's Glister as an example of a product few would use.)

In fact, look at the two posts directly above this one. You admitted that my answer to Mikoid's question was spot on. I do believe the only word you took exception to was "dumb," but that was meant as a general statement reflecting how most Pinoys feel when they realize they've been hoodwinked and fooled into showing up. Yes, the word "fooled" is a harsh one, but it is true. You yourself have admitted that you DON'T TELL PEOPLE THE WHOLE TRUTH. What, exactly, is that if not fooling someone? And if you attend a seminar in the guise of an IT seminar only to find out you've been invited to an MLM seminar, wouldn't YOU feel dumb?

Once again, if you felt I was targeting Forever Living, I would like to say categorically that I was not. To be frank, your group never entered my mind during any of my posts. If, however, you found things in my posts which hit close to home, perhaps you should look more to your company than to my posts. I mean, if your group is entirely innocent, why bother reacting to what I said? Are you part of the "many" that may be bad? I thought you said you're not. In which case, my posts do not apply to you. To be fair I actually had a decent impression of Forever Living before I read your posts. Now I'm not so sure.

[brownpau]

Palacio_A, I think you're the one who's, um, slundering here. I know what I'm talking about, and Theophilo does, too. He should. I recruited him; he's my downline. :D

Having graduated to the second rung of "Assistant Supervisor" level at Forever Living (FLP), and having read books and articles by authors for and against the MLM system, I can honestly tell you I've seen both sides of the fence. I am familiar with the workings of the business, and I continue to keep an open mind about the gray areas of the MLM debate, but always keeping sound biblical AND economic principles in mind at all times.

Now, market oversaturation isn't likely for a network marketing company like FLP, mainly because the products are consummable, so you continue to buy more as your juices and lotions are depleted; and there's always the chance that you might actually have a satisfied end-user at the bottom of the chain, not recruiting, but still perfectly willing to pay exorbitant prices in exchange for some pretty good products. (e.g. almost P1000 for less than a half-gallon of Aloe Juice!) The question is: can you in good conscience charge that much for the product, knowing full well that its actual price is less than half that, and that the surplus profit is paying the commission of customers whose main advantage is, I reiterate, that they are above you on the chain?

[brownpau]

By the way, I got an excellent Christian perspective on MLM culture and economics from an article by Pastor Dean Van Druff, at http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html .

[aticus]

Actually, brownpau, when you come to think of it, the cost is LESS than 50% of the selling price. How else would all those rich founders make money? :D If your top distributor gets it for 50% off, you can rest assured that means the product probably costs only 25% of the actual price, if not significantly less.

Herbal Life, for instance, charges about a 1000% profit. For every 10 centavos of cost (it's actually much less, believe it or not) they charge the end-user P1.

[bagyoboy]

For the products distributed by traditional methods (i.e. wholesaler-retailer-enduser, e.g. PNG and unilever products), I think the actual cost of the product is also less than 50%. I think about 70% goes to the wholesaler and retailer. Same is true with pharmaceuticals (where marketing cost takes the bulk).

So, with the MLM model, the money that is supposed to go to the wholesaler and retailer goes to the people who can refer as many people as they can and train others in this business of "referring". Like, have you earned a peso for referring a really nice movie to many friends?

[bagyoboy]

When you realize that your MLM business is a multi-million peso (or dollar) business, you don't make deals in the sidewalk or by phone. You meet some place and talk.

Most people who want to know what it is all about on the first phone call and are quick to prejudge usually do not deserve to be in a big business. These are the average and below average people. The achievers are usually more open, and are willing to come over for a cup of coffee or an open meeting, like some of you in this thread. The meeting is just for the prospect to see what the business is so he or she can make an intelligent decision. Isn't this how big business is usually done?

Some MLMers do not realize that what they are offering is a multi-million peso (or dollar) opportunity. So thats why they are not comfortable inviting people. They think they're just in some sideline business. Well, what you think is what you create...

These motivational seminars which sometimes could be "cultic" to some are designed precisely to motivate the MLMer and the new-comer...for them to BECOME WORTHY of a multi-million peso (or dollar) business.

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by bagyoboy
When you realize that your MLM business is a multi-million peso (or dollar) business, you don't make deals in the sidewalk or by phone. You meet some place and talk.

Most people who want to know what it is all about on the first phone call and are quick to prejudge usually do not deserve to be in a big business. These are the average and below average people. The achievers are usually more open, and are willing to come over for a cup of coffee or an open meeting, like some of you in this thread. The meeting is just for the prospect to see what the business is so he or she can make an intelligent decision. Isn't this how big business is usually done?

Some MLMers do not realize that what they are offering is a multi-million peso (or dollar) opportunity. So thats why they are not comfortable inviting people. They think they're just in some sideline business. Well, what you think is what you create...

These motivational seminars which sometimes could be "cultic" to some are designed precisely to motivate the MLMer and the new-comer...for them to BECOME WORTHY of a multi-million peso (or dollar) business.



Do you happen to be a FLPPI distrubutor?

Bec. I believe only FLPPI Dist's have that much knowledge on MLM that most dist. in other companies has, Due to the extensive training i guess. If otherwise, it is nice to hear that other companies are now going into the same picture, investing on knowledge

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by brownpau
Palacio_A, I think you're the one who's, um, slundering here. I know what I'm talking about, and Theophilo does, too. He should. I recruited him; he's my downline. :D

Having graduated to the second rung of "Assistant Supervisor" level at Forever Living (FLP), and having read books and articles by authors for and against the MLM system, I can honestly tell you I've seen both sides of the fence. I am familiar with the workings of the business, and I continue to keep an open mind about the gray areas of the MLM debate, but always keeping sound biblical AND economic principles in mind at all times.

Now, market oversaturation isn't likely for a network marketing company like FLP, mainly because the products are consummable, so you continue to buy more as your juices and lotions are depleted; and there's always the chance that you might actually have a satisfied end-user at the bottom of the chain, not recruiting, but still perfectly willing to pay exorbitant prices in exchange for some pretty good products. (e.g. almost P1000 for less than a half-gallon of Aloe Juice!) The question is: can you in good conscience charge that much for the product, knowing full well that its actual price is less than half that, and that the surplus profit is paying the commission of customers whose main advantage is, I reiterate, that they are above you on the chain?

Fine, then I'm just so sorry that i can't make you look at things in a better lime light. Then it seems that you should stop doing MLM because a prerequisite requirement for a networker is that they believe in the industry. Any lack of it would mean your failure in MLM. So please leave the industry for you'll just add to what we call "worms" they make the business rot from the inside ny spreading negative energy in a particular office.

Sad to say most networkers are like youm, misinformed.

The thing is networking are only for the ELITE with the proper mindset, attitude, and ethics to become succesful financially, emotionally, and spiritually.

The thing is if MLM is what your hyperlinks say it is... then it is up to you to believe it.

I leave you to your own opinion... and i'll carry mine nut one thing is for sure pro's and con's will never meet in the middle.

I would continue to pursue my career as a proffesional networker and you continue on what you like to do, whatever it is, you continue to become con and i'll try to educate the masses.

One thing is for sure and i can stand 4 and i'm ready to kill 4 it.... MLM can change the mindsett of Filipino, and other races as well.... The ability to dream the impossible dream, beleive in the incredible, and achieve the challegnge at hand, TO BECOME A EXTRAORDINARY PERSON AND NOT BE SATISFIED WITH A MEDIOCRE LIFE.

[palacio_a2]

Having graduated to the second rung of "Assistant Supervisor" level at Forever Living (FLP), and having read books and articles by authors for and against the MLM system, I can honestly tell you I've seen both sides of the fence. I am familiar with the workings of the business, and I continue to keep an open mind about the gray areas of the MLM debate, but always keeping sound biblical AND economic principles in mind at all times ---> sorry but he is only an AS to any networkers eyes he's a newbie and the believe system of an AS is so shallow i cant say if an AVERAGE AS would survive a year in MLM... Y? they copied from the wrong person(s).--->i wont contest his well being i dont know him.---->TIME IS THE GREATEST JUDGE OF ALL WE WILL SEE IF A PARTICULAR NEW IDEA IS GOOD OR BAD.... IN DUE TIME.

[palacio_a2]

"...Only the "elite", the achievers, those who can be stable under the greatest pressure, the most intellectual people, the most emotionally sound, those who really want to practice the GOLDEN RULE or universal justice, etc., in other words THE CEAM OF THE CROP can succed in MLM."

-CULTURE of STUDENT CORE INT'L

[bagyoboy]

Originally posted by palacio_a2
Do you happen to be a FLPPI distrubutor?

Bec. I believe only FLPPI Dist's have that much knowledge on MLM that most dist. in other companies has, Due to the extensive training i guess. If otherwise, it is nice to hear that other companies are now going into the same picture, investing on knowledge

Nope I'm not with FLP. I got my training from Network 21, a training company for Amway distributors. Network 21 provides leadership tapes; provides hard-to-find and not-available-in-national-bookstore leadership and business books (e.g. Rich Dad Poor Dad); and organizes functions for distributors and would-be distributors (functions of the Zig Ziglar type, maybe even better, but at more affordable rates). This company is owned by one of the top Amway distributors - Jim Dornan (an aeronautical engineer turned MLMer, and now motivational speaker, and author). N21 is independent of Amway and basically provides training for Dornan's group.

[brownpau]

One thing is for sure and i can stand 4 and i'm ready to kill 4 it....

The thing is networking are only for the ELITE with the proper mindset, attitude, and ethics to become succesful financially, emotionally, and spiritually.

sorry but he is only an AS to any networkers eyes he's a newbie and the believe system of an AS is so shallow i cant say if an AVERAGE AS would survive a year in MLM...



Aaahhhh, I see it now.

Ready to kill for MLM, are we now? Just for the "ELITE", is it? So I'm just a lowly AS newbie, am I?

What kind of business makes you forget your own principles so that you're even ready to kill for it?

What kind of business makes you regard its practitioners as higher, "elite" life forms over the ones who prefer traditional business?

And what kind of business causes you to look down on people who are lower in rank, with little or no respect for their position or dignity?

I'd like to say that I can't believe the utter arrogance of some of the things you spout. But that would be lying. I can believe it, simply because I've heard it from other MLM'ers before. The system got to them, it changed them. And it changed them for the worse. And it's happened to you too. Look at the way you're talking. Take a good, hard look at the way you've displayed yourself in our forum. There's a reason your first nick was banned.

If your aim was to cast MLM's in a better *ahem* "lime light," you've done exactly the opposite, and shown the worst of what an MLM can do to a person. You've lashed out at pro- and anti-MLM'ers alike, and practically flamed anyone whose view deviates even slightly from the wildest fanaticism for your MLM fetish.

It makes me glad I stopped actively recruiting.

(Now go on, rail at me for having a loser's mindset, for settling for mediocre dreams, for putting down the shining gold road to shining success and financial independence.)

[brownpau]

Originally posted by bagyoboy
For the products distributed by traditional methods (i.e. wholesaler-retailer-enduser, e.g. PNG and unilever products), I think the actual cost of the product is also less than 50%. I think about 70% goes to the wholesaler and retailer. Same is true with pharmaceuticals (where marketing cost takes the bulk).

So, with the MLM model, the money that is supposed to go to the wholesaler and retailer goes to the people who can refer as many people as they can and train others in this business of "referring". Like, have you earned a peso for referring a really nice movie to many friends?

Thank you, bagyoboy, I think I prefer that view of the MLM business plan: a generous referral scheme which more evenly distributes the weight of pricing among loyal customers.

For a company like FLP, which produces good-quality products and is able to sustain a consistent cash flow for its harder-working distributors, my MLM qualms are more about scruples than economics. Oversaturation and pricing issues are less of a problem to such a company than the cultic fanaticism arising from the business.

What bugs me is that all of these MLM companies tout the money made by their distributors rather than the products they offer. I don't think that should be the case; a good company should draw in people with the quality of its products or services, not by baiting consumers with the amounts of cash its distributors make.

I think MLM's would enjoy a lot more credibility if they position themselves more as offering products with a generous referral scheme, rather than as furtive moneymaking opportunities using a so-so product just as cover for the "business".

Avon seems to be doing okay with it. Don't they follow a similar multi-tiered networking model? But the company is still about health and beauty products, rather than a moneymaking plan, isn't it?

[zimdude]

Good points in the article, brownpau, I encourage everyone here to read it and find out for themselves if it is correct... in the end it says:


Summary of What's Wrong With Multi-Level Marketing

MLMs are "doomed by design" to recruit too many salespeople, who in turn will then attempt to recruit even more salespeople, ad infinitum.

For many, the real attraction of involvement in multi-level marketing is the thinly veiled pyramid con-scheme made quasi-legal by the presence of a product or service.

The ethical concessions necessary to be "successful" in many MLM companies are stark and difficult to deal with for most people.

Friends and family should be treated as such, and not as "marks" for exploitation

[bagyoboy]

Originally posted by brownpau
For a company like FLP, which produces good-quality products and is able to sustain a consistent cash flow for its harder-working distributors, my MLM qualms are more about scruples than economics. Oversaturation and pricing issues are less of a problem to such a company than the cultic fanaticism arising from the business.

What bugs me is that all of these MLM companies tout the money made by their distributors rather than the products they offer. I don't think that should be the case; a good company should draw in people with the quality of its products or services, not by baiting consumers with the amounts of cash its distributors make.


I agree that touting the amount of money you make (in MLM, traditional business, or traditional employment) is questionable.(This reminds me of a thread here in Working Filipino where people actually disclosed their salaries.) The culture of Network 21, however, is not like this. While its very obvious that everyone is in the "business" to make money, the "network" is actually an organization of people, and as such creates its own "culture" (akin to corporate "culture", and thus sometimes appears to be "cultic"). It involves a whole lot more than money. The training system therefore does not only cover business nuts and bolts, but motivation, leadership training, team building, relationships, and a whole gamut of HR stuff.

This brings me to the elements of a MLM "business":
1. The manufacturer of quality products.
2. Your line of sponsorship, which is your team.
3. The training system
4. and the most important element - YOU

Manufacturer - If you do your investigation on the company, you can check out the owners of the company, how long it has been operating, quality of the products, etc. Are they cost-effective? Even if at first glance the prices are high, it still turns out to be more cost-effective. Established manufacturers are Amway, forever living, Nu skin, etc. How long has the company been in operation? What's the product mix?

Line of Sponsorship - the live people who support you in starting and sustaining the "business".

Training System - This refers to "business training". "Product training" is handled by the manufacturer through its outlets or distributor centers. Is the training system proven? When you start a traditional business, you make plans and budgets and operate based on these budgets. In the same manner, the training system provides you with a "track" to follow. Its not the usual budget in traditional business, because the money invested in your MLM business is very negligible. This "track" is based on the fact that in MLM your "capital" or "inventory" is the organization that you build.

The last element - YOU - is the most critical. That's why most functions/seminars in the training system focus on this. (1. The manufacturer's background and quality of products can be easily checked out. 2. You can find someone in your line of sponsorship with whom you're comfortable to work with, even if your direct sponsor has quit already. 3. The training system being used by successful distributors has a track record.) The YOU part is entirely dependent on YOU. And this is where it's at. I think this is the reason that seminars and functions do not focus on the product, but on things that are really important to YOU - things that matter most to YOU. This, I think, constitutes 80% of the whole system (nos. 1-3 is 20%). When this 80% fails, the business fails, because the 20% is succesful and is in place already. I guess the first thing to realize in order to succeed in MLM is that YOU own your own business. The manufacturer, your line of sponsorship, the training system are there to support you and they are independent of you.

Here's a model that is similar to the MLM model:

A distributorship business is set up here in the Philippines to sell products made of steel from China. This business is based in Manila. When a Philippine customer buys the steel product, he pays direct to the Chinese manufacturer, and the manufacturer gives the distributor a commission, say 4%. Let's say a businessman in Davao referred a customer to the distributor in Manila. The distributor in Manila can negotiate with the Chinese manufacturer, also to give a commission to the one in Davao, say an additional 1%. When this happens the price increases.

In MLM, the distributors are customers themselves, and the manufacturer already expects that the chain will "lengthen". But since this distribution system still gets the product into the market just like the traditional manufacturer-wholesaler-retailer-end-user system, the manufacturer can sell at a price which includes enough commissions for distributors who "qualify". (MLM systems have a qualifying system for distributors to earn commissions.) Thats why one acid test of a legal MLM is: If the product is distributed via the traditional system, will the product sell? If the answer is no, the manufacturer is questionable in choosing the MLM system to distribute its products.

Consider the real-estate broker Rizal, who has an agent Jose. They each earn 3% from every sale. Jose is independent of the Rizal; he is not an employee of Rizal. Rizal invested money, setup office, etc. Jose simply sells. If Rizal wants to earn more he just gets more agents, say Erap, Miriam, and Gringo. This is called leverage. What if Jose wants to earn more? The problem with this set-up is that Jose doesn't have leverage. Only Rizal has leverage. If Jose wants to earn more, he sets up another brokerage firm and competes with Rizal! Who trained him? Rizal!

What if we set it up at the beginning such that Jose also has leverage. He can get agents under him, but Rizal would have to sacrifice and will earn less than 3%. But in the long run, it is for the best financial interest of Rizal because Jose (who is such a productive agent) will not have to compete with Rizal so that he can earn more!

In MLM, the Diamonds (or whatever term it is called) are like the brokers. Those who are at the middle and lower "levels" or "pins" are like the agents.

Read this (http://www.skybusiness.com/hbcardenas).

About 80% of people who sign-up in MLM quit, usually because they don't understand how the system works. Or maybe because they haven't realized that they actually "own" a big business in the first place. Or simply because their heart is not really in it.

Sorry brownpau. I know that economics and pricing issues and legalities are "less of a problem" to you, but these things just came out spontaneously.


I think MLM's would enjoy a lot more credibility if they position themselves more as offering products with a generous referral scheme, rather than as furtive moneymaking opportunities using a so-so product just as cover for the "business".

Avon seems to be doing okay with it. Don't they follow a similar multi-tiered networking model? But the company is still about health and beauty products, rather than a moneymaking plan, isn't it?

As I said, the product is not the focus in functions and seminars because the YOU is 80% of the "business". When the focus is in building a large organization, volume increases, and faster at that. While the ultimate aim is to get the products moving, the way to get it there is to get to the HEART of the YOU. So I would say that the focus is not presenting a "furtive moneymaking opportunity". Of course, we talk about how the money is made, but I would emphasize the 80% of the business which is the HEART of YOU.

Avon is the number one cosmetics company here in the Philippines. Yes its an MLM system that focuses on retailing the products and not on building large organizations. As such, successful distributors have large inventories and centers have large accounts receivables. In other MLM companies, you see the successful distributors "transforming" (mentally,emotionally,spiritually, even physically) as they work in building their organizations, and there are no accounts receivables.

It is interesting to note the experience of Amway Philippines: 50% of its business here is APSA (an agricultural product), which is mostly moved by retail. In Indonesia (which I believe is just as agricultural as the Philippines), APSA I think is only 10% of Amway Indonesia's business. This is an indication that Filipinos are more comfortable with retailing than building large organizations (which is also reflected by brownpau's view of focusing on the product).

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by brownpau

One thing is for sure and i can stand 4 and i'm ready to kill 4 it....

The thing is networking are only for the ELITE with the proper mindset, attitude, and ethics to become succesful financially, emotionally, and spiritually.

sorry but he is only an AS to any networkers eyes he's a newbie and the believe system of an AS is so shallow i cant say if an AVERAGE AS would survive a year in MLM...



Aaahhhh, I see it now.

Ready to kill for MLM, are we now? Just for the "ELITE", is it? So I'm just a lowly AS newbie, am I?



What kind of business makes you forget your own principles so that you're even ready to kill for it?

What kind of business makes you regard its practitioners as higher, "elite" life forms over the ones who prefer traditional business?

And what kind of business causes you to look down on people who are lower in rank, with little or no respect for their position or dignity?

I'd like to say that I can't believe the utter arrogance of some of the things you spout. But that would be lying. I can believe it, simply because I've heard it from other MLM'ers before. The system got to them, it changed them. And it changed them for the worse. And it's happened to you too. Look at the way you're talking. Take a good, hard look at the way you've displayed yourself in our forum. There's a reason your first nick was banned.

If your aim was to cast MLM's in a better *ahem* "lime light," you've done exactly the opposite, and shown the worst of what an MLM can do to a person. You've lashed out at pro- and anti-MLM'ers alike, and practically flamed anyone whose view deviates even slightly from the wildest fanaticism for your MLM fetish.

It makes me glad I stopped actively recruiting.

(Now go on, rail at me for having a loser's mindset, for settling for mediocre dreams, for putting down the shining gold road to shining success and financial independence.)

LOL you make me laugh... you misred my post... sorry but no explanation needed... it is what it is... try to look at it this way... I said something and you jumped in the wrong ones... meaning you overlooked the right ones. sorry but it is what it is... just try to read it again and try reading it without prejudice... sorry but it is what it is... about banning it was about spamming so that particular argument is insubstancial.

LOL you make me laugh.

[palacio_a2]

brownpau...

BTW, good thing you stopped practicing MLM... you could have succeded...

NEWY, do you preach what you preach because you didn't succeed?
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The thing is many people slash at MLM because they succeeded in.... so i think it not fair to slash at the things that made you succeed :>

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Complasancy is what makes people live life as they live it today, those who settle for anything less is what makes people live thier life without direction.

Achieving success requires you to break away from the regular life. this breaking away requires you to leave your comfort zone and thus making yourself uncomfortable... going through many difficulties and trying to still break away from thier regular life... as soon as they stop they are happy to be back where they started... those who successfully broke away are those who can really be called ACHIEVERS and success in life outside MLM is just fine as long as they are achieving... but to those who are not... those are what you can safely call complasant.

When the curch pioneered bleeding they thought that they were doing the most godly thing... when the friars were corrupt we tought them to be holy still... when religion started a war, we thought it to be holy... many examples such as this exist so religion cannot answer all the questions in life, GOD can.

"ask and you shall recieve, seek and you shall find, knock and you shall be opened."

"give man fish and tommorow he will startve, but teach man how to fish and he will be forver be blessed by bountiful catches of fishes."

try to decipher that and you will realize why i said what i said. complacasy is a sin.

[palacio_a2]

Mindsetting is what makes us human. poor mindsett can make you an animal.

Mindsett made people achieve thier goals, achieving is what makes people human.

So the qoute: Ready to kill.... means MLM can teach you how to change your mindsett... it's conviction. when i said it is for the elite i wasnt degrading anyone nor said anything less is junk.

sad to say most people cannot read between the lines.
sad to say many people forget how to dream.
sad to say many live in poverty.
sad to say many still live in misery.
sad to say most people as God for an opportunity and later neglects that opportunity"
sad to say many are complasant.
sad to say many are pessimistic, consiuosly or unconsiuosly.
sad to say many think that this is normal.
sad to say Filipino mindsetting is poor. "anak mag-aral kang mabuti para pag-grad mo makakuha ka ng magandang trabaho."---> do you actually think a good job is the solution to poverty? isn't it suppose to be temporary? business is the only way you can get yourself out of normality... businessmen are "ELITE" just look around.

MLM is business ergo NETWORKERS ARE ELITE.

so now what you want to delete this post?

Sorry but it is true.

"MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN"
-Student core mindsett.

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by bagyoboy
Originally posted by palacio_a2
Do you happen to be a FLPPI distrubutor?

Bec. I believe only FLPPI Dist's have that much knowledge on MLM that most dist. in other companies has, Due to the extensive training i guess. If otherwise, it is nice to hear that other companies are now going into the same picture, investing on knowledge

Nope I'm not with FLP. I got my training from Network 21, a training company for Amway distributors. Network 21 provides leadership tapes; provides hard-to-find and not-available-in-national-bookstore leadership and business books (e.g. Rich Dad Poor Dad); and organizes functions for distributors and would-be distributors (functions of the Zig Ziglar type, maybe even better, but at more affordable rates). This company is owned by one of the top Amway distributors - Jim Dornan (an aeronautical engineer turned MLMer, and now motivational speaker, and author). N21 is independent of Amway and basically provides training for Dornan's group.

Good. nice to hear that... BTW, my friend is in N21.

Goefry miranda you know him?

[brownpau]

so now what you want to delete this post?

Why, I do believe I'm being provoked! :lol:

No, I don't want to delete your post. After all, you do have the right to your opinion, as I said. And you responded EXACTLY as I intended you to. :D Nonetheless, I respect your opinion, even if I don't agree. (Besides, I can't delete posts in The Working Filipino forum; I'm only mod for Realm of Thought.)

I've no more to say for this debate; and so I concede victory to you, palacio_a2. Yes! MLM's truly ARE indeed the wave of the future! Soon, all companies will follow the MLM business model, and we will all not just be buyers, but sellers and recruiters as well! We will ALL be able to reach for our dreams and become the ELITE, as we focus our lives and livelihoods on aloe vera products and recruitment of downlines! The true goals of humanity will finally be achieved, as we are all brought together in one giant, multi-tiered network of selling and recruiting! THAT should be our dream, my friends, THAT should be our dream!

[Edited by brownpau on 02-23-2001 at 04:41 PM]

[aticus]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Well said, brownpau... You almost sounded like a cross between Richard Simmons and Inigo Montoya! :D ("I must... I must... I MUST!!! You killed my father... prepare to die!!!!" :D )

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by brownpau
so now what you want to delete this post?

Why, I do believe I'm being provoked! :lol:

No, I don't want to delete your post. After all, you do have the right to your opinion, as I said. And you responded EXACTLY as I intended you to. :D Nonetheless, I respect your opinion, even if I don't agree. (Besides, I can't delete posts in The Working Filipino forum; I'm only mod for Realm of Thought.)

I've no more to say for this debate; and so I concede victory to you, palacio_a2. Yes! MLM's truly ARE indeed the wave of the future! Soon, all companies will follow the MLM business model, and we will all not just be buyers, but sellers and recruiters as well! We will ALL be able to reach for our dreams and become the ELITE, as we focus our lives and livelihoods on aloe vera products and recruitment of downlines! The true goals of humanity will finally be achieved, as we are all brought together in one giant, multi-tiered network of selling and recruiting! THAT should be our dream, my friends, THAT should be our dream!

[Edited by brownpau on 02-23-2001 at 04:41 PM]

:> hehehehe.... nakakatwa na to ha... para na tayong bata.

lets just leave it to that.

I know your from the realm of thought your watching my mindsett post right??

NEWY, ty for the sarcasm it's quite a treat... :> take care god bless

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by brownpau
so now what you want to delete this post?

Why, I do believe I'm being provoked! :lol:

No, I don't want to delete your post. After all, you do have the right to your opinion, as I said. And you responded EXACTLY as I intended you to. :D Nonetheless, I respect your opinion, even if I don't agree. (Besides, I can't delete posts in The Working Filipino forum; I'm only mod for Realm of Thought.)

I've no more to say for this debate; and so I concede victory to you, palacio_a2. Yes! MLM's truly ARE indeed the wave of the future! Soon, all companies will follow the MLM business model, and we will all not just be buyers, but sellers and recruiters as well! We will ALL be able to reach for our dreams and become the ELITE, as we focus our lives and livelihoods on aloe vera products and recruitment of downlines! The true goals of humanity will finally be achieved, as we are all brought together in one giant, multi-tiered network of selling and recruiting! THAT should be our dream, my friends, THAT should be our dream!

[Edited by brownpau on 02-23-2001 at 04:41 PM]

You forgot one thing though....... not evryone can be a distributor in mlm..... WHO WOULD MAKE OUR CARS?

[batang uliran]

I just wanted to take exception to your assertion that the creme of the crop are the ones who do well with MLM. I would argue that the true creme of the crop don't bother with it - they're too busy being successful corporate executives or tending to their patients (doctors) or clients (lawyers). I doubt you would find a VP at Ayala Corp or P&G engaging in MLM. You probably also wouldn't find a neurosurgeon or a partner at a big law firm like Sycip Salazer or Romulo Mabanta selling nuskin and other similar products.

[brownpau]

Originally posted by palacio_a2
I know your from the realm of thought your watching my mindsett post right??


Hey, don't worry about it. Just avoid the out-of-place sales pitches; otherwise the thread's fine. Peace!

[zimdude]

OK, this is not a statement for or against MLM strategy. The question is, if you get into it and FAIL, how much can you lose? (In money; time is hard to quantify).

However, I don't agree completely with this part of the site:

4. True leverage. This happens when everyone in the organization has the same amount to gain

because:

The geometric shape is not the problem. The pyramid is the shape of our family tree, our government, and to the architect it’s the strongest structure known to man. Even the corporate structure is a pyramid! The CEO earns the most money! There’s noone below the CEO that can ever earn more money than the CEO

This may be true for the CEO, but in tech companies the techies can earn more than their managers.

And for:

In this model, an impressive resume and years of seniority is not anymore the measuring stick of compensation.

You're assuming that most if not all want to be salespeople. I personally am weak in salesmanship - by nature of my personality perhaps - and am more suited for a marketing or business development job if ever I had to bring in money directly. But then I would rather bring in revenues for the company by working on its core products and services.

But that's just me, of course.

Network marketing is the most ethical business I’ve ever seen. It actually builds people when done correctly. You’ve leveraged yourself. Shoe strings are still being tied but not by you. That’s because you’ve invested your time by training others vs. expending your time doing things the quicker way or the easier way. That’s what the wealthy know and implement. Network marketing is brilliant compensation. What you train and teach others to do is duplicate what you do. This is multiplying you not just duplicating you.

This is good in principle, but we're assuming here that the people you will build will succeed. If they buy or resell products then fail anyway, you benefit from that, don't you?

[bagyoboy]

Originally posted by zimdude
OK, this is not a statement for or against MLM strategy. The question is, if you get into it and FAIL, how much can you lose? (In money; time is hard to quantify).


You lose: cost of registration, plus cost of business support materials, plus cost of meals and transportation. It doesn't hurt much to lose this little money. That's why its easy to just give up an MLM venture.

If you invest millions in, say a restaurant that didn't generate the projected revenue you would definitely stay the course and do all changes in your operations so that you may get your millions back.


However, I don't agree completely with this part of the site:

4. True leverage. This happens when everyone in the organization has the same amount to gain

because:

The geometric shape is not the problem. The pyramid is the shape of our family tree, our government, and to the architect it’s the strongest structure known to man. Even the corporate structure is a pyramid! The CEO earns the most money! There’s noone below the CEO that can ever earn more money than the CEO

This may be true for the CEO, but in tech companies the techies can earn more than their managers.


Yes, even salesmen can earn more than their managers. The point is, everyone in an MLM organization is a "CEO". Everyone has the same potential.


And for:

In this model, an impressive resume and years of seniority is not anymore the measuring stick of compensation.

You're assuming that most if not all want to be salespeople. I personally am weak in salesmanship - by nature of my personality perhaps - and am more suited for a marketing or business development job if ever I had to bring in money directly. But then I would rather bring in revenues for the company by working on its core products and services.

But that's just me, of course.


The use of the resume and seniority is the norm in all of the corporate world, not just in traditional sales and marketing.


Network marketing is the most ethical business I’ve ever seen. It actually builds people when done correctly. You’ve leveraged yourself. Shoe strings are still being tied but not by you. That’s because you’ve invested your time by training others vs. expending your time doing things the quicker way or the easier way. That’s what the wealthy know and implement. Network marketing is brilliant compensation. What you train and teach others to do is duplicate what you do. This is multiplying you not just duplicating you.

This is good in principle, but we're assuming here that the people you will build will succeed. If they buy or resell products then fail anyway, you benefit from that, don't you?


Yes I earn commission IF I qualify based on the marketing plan.

Along our way to success, there are people who support us and there are people we in turn help and support. This applies wherever in life we may be - both in our professional and personal lives. At the end of the day, however, our success is our own personal responsibility. It rests entirely on our shoulders and not on someone else's.

Peole come and go. In corporations, gone are the days that one would work for one company for his entire life. These days, one would even have three, four, five, six, even seven careers in his lifetime. Even in churches, people come and go in search of spiritual enlightenment. People go to where they find fulfillment and happiness.

Should it be any different in MLM?

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by batang uliran
I just wanted to take exception to your assertion that the creme of the crop are the ones who do well with MLM. I would argue that the true creme of the crop don't bother with it - they're too busy being successful corporate executives or tending to their patients (doctors) or clients (lawyers). I doubt you would find a VP at Ayala Corp or P&G engaging in MLM. You probably also wouldn't find a neurosurgeon or a partner at a big law firm like Sycip Salazer or Romulo Mabanta selling nuskin and other similar products.

The thing is.... (this is my second post what happened to the first!!!)... These are excactly the people in MLM, not the above people but their proffesions, they are the people who are already fullfilled in thier career but still they would rather do MLM.

Examples are:
A director of the heart center of the Phil.
A prominent Artist, apo ng greatest comedy star
A corporate lawyer of BPI
A famous industrialist, controls 90% of the copper coil distribution.
An owner of a law firm
A.... and so on.

The thing is they went MLM to get the leverage... that is what makes a person successful in terms of money and time freedom.

I will agree to this... NOT EVERYBODY WILL GO MLM... we have our dreams and they differ from people to people... but the majority still likes to have time and financial freedom ---> not all likes to die a hero, they rather live than die.

Leverage is what makes business succeed... this what makes Lucio Tan rich, this waht makes proctor and gamble a billion dollar company, and so...

Leverage is the THING in MLM that attracts the people who can understand it.

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by batang uliran
I just wanted to take exception to your assertion that the creme of the crop are the ones who do well with MLM. I would argue that the true creme of the crop don't bother with it - they're too busy being successful corporate executives or tending to their patients (doctors) or clients (lawyers). I doubt you would find a VP at Ayala Corp or P&G engaging in MLM. You probably also wouldn't find a neurosurgeon or a partner at a big law firm like Sycip Salazer or Romulo Mabanta selling nuskin and other similar products.

BTW, I said they are part of it and not the only...

[palacio_a2]

:zzz:

What happend to the peeps?

[moonrush]

I'll tell you this. As someone involved in Network Marketing you can become a millionaire if you truely work it and work it consistently. The greatest thing about it is there comes a point when you can walk away from it and still have the income. I am involved in a online business that is network marketing and it's paying off handsomely. My profile has the link.

[craziegirl]

Im in a mlm right now and its pretty ez. Ganito yon you give 400 pesos and with that comes a globe 250 prepaid card then they give you an i.d and 30 pcs of applications in which you hand out to people and recruit for 400 psos if they are globe users or 450 for smart prepaid users. There is no quota all you have to do is recruit and you get big bucks like me. For instance if I recruite A, A will become the 2nd level guy, if A recruits B, A will move on to the first level and B to the 2nd and if B recruits C, B will move to the first level, A to the top now if C choses to recruit 10 people A will get a 1000 pesos, that is a hundred for each person recruited. Its easy to move up because your name is on the application and the level you are in. Its just 3 levels so its easy. Nice diba. Any one interested text at 09174097104. No scam kasi Im into it right now its fun actually and its ez.

[ecboydon]

Originally posted by arsel
earthwarrior1: are you now engage in MLM?

If not what's the best MLM here in the Philippines that you know? Yong affordable lang ha sa bulsa? :)

I know a very good MLM opportunity here in the Philippine and it is 100% Filipino-owned. Eventually it will go global and that's what I'm excited about. Imagine, this time, instead na tayo ang downlines ng mga Amerikano, we will have people in other countries as our downlines. Hindi ba lalabas ang pera sa Pilipinas, instead, papasok ang mga dollars.

It costs only PhP 7,000 to join. It is based on a network marketing model but it makes use of e-commerce to make it efficient. The beautiful thing about it is that the company has created a very efficient way of doing the business so that the marketers can focus more on what they need to do best which is marketing and relating to people and customers. Things like order processing, distribution and accounting are all done online so you don't have to worry about the nitty-gritty of doing the business. We call the system relational e-commerce.

Email me at ecboydon@philwebinc.com and I'll tell you more.

[Anck-Su-Namun]

Is there a difference between MLM, pyramiding, and networking?

[bagyoboy]

MLM=multilevel marketing=network marketing=networking
This is legal.

Pyramiding is illegal for two reasons I can think of from the top of my head:
1. There's no product immediately delivered in exchange for your money.
2. You earn commission from recruitment and not from the sale of products.

[kucha]

Guys maybe your interested on joining Dragon-summit. I have joined and attend diffirent MLM companies . So far it is Dragon Summit that gives the best pay . Almost all MLM requires you to recruit or sell to earn and to get your investment. Some MLM companies even requires you to recruit 9 people to earn . In Dragon-Summit you don't have to recuit and sell in order to earn. And only Drgon Summit will make you a Millionaire in 1-2 years. Can't believe their marketing plan?Email me (gucci_27@hotmail.com) I could show you how.

[zimdude]

So what was the MLM that really works? (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=48347)

(Of course I just wanted to revive this topic.)

[bagyoboy]

depends

[DEATHWALK]

AHHH AT LAST.... NAKAPAGPOST DIN, HI PPL ACTUALLY IM ALWAYS READING UR TOPIC ABOUT THE NETWORK MARKETING THING BUT I CANT GET TO POST ANYTHING COZ I FORGOT MY UNAME AND PASS. SO BAD TRIP NA BAD TRIP AKO PERO AT LEAST NA RETRIEVE KO NA. AHEHEHE!!


ANYWAY ....GOING BACK TO THE TOPIC I JUST WANT TO SHARE SOME INFOS. ABOUT THAT.

ACTUALLY MY FAMILY AND I HAD EXPERIENCED A LOT OF HARDSHIPS AND FAILURE WHEN IT COMES TO NETWORKING KSE THERE ARE MANY WAYS PARA MALAMAN KUNG OK ANG ISANG NETWORKING

1. SCAM - KAYA LANG NAGIGING SCAM ANG ISANG NETWORKING CO. AY PAG MAY NANLOLOKO OR NILOLOKO YUNG MGA TAO...IN OTHER WORD PINAG KAKAPERAHAN LANG. FOR EXAMPLE IN JOINING A NETWORKING GROUP STUDY FIRST THE PRODUCT, IF THE PRICE IS REASONABLE OR OVERPRICING, SO PAG OVERPRICING ANG PROD. DUN PA LANG 1 WAY NA NG PANLOLOKO. SECOND, PAG ANG MARKETING PLAN OR INCENTIVES IS NOT REASONABLE ALSO PARANG GANITO,....THEY GIVE U THE PRIVILEDGE TO BUY SOMETHING IN THEIR CATALOGUE BUT THEY WILL PUT A HUNDRED PERCENT MARKUP ON THE THING THAT U WILL BUY. AND THEN SASABIHIN NILA PARA DAW KUMITA ANG COMPANY....PERO ANG TOTOO SOBRA SOBRA ANG PATONG NILA SA MGA PROD.

ANOTHER THING TO DETERMINE IF A NETWORKING IS GOOD IS IF THE PRODUCT THAT UR SELLING IS FOR LONG TERM OR NOT. WHAT I MEAN IS THIS..... IF EVER UR THE LAST PERSON THAT JOINED THE COMPANY WHO ESLE WILL BUY ....NO ONE RIGHT!?? UNLESS THE PROD. IS COMSUMABLE AND MAKING A GOOD EFFECT ON URSELF. FOR EXAMPLE I CAN ADMIT THAT "FLP" IS ONE NETWORKING BUSINESS THAT IS FOR LONG TERM.

BY THE WAY IM NOT A MEMBER OF FLP, I WAS A FORMER MEMBER OF PROSPERITY.COM.....ALTHOUGH THEY ALREADY CHANGED THEIR NAME, I LEARNED A LOT ON THAT NETWORKING.......

IM NOW A MEMBER OF A CERTAIN NETWORKING GROUP THAT I CAN SAY BETTER THAN THE OTHERS(THAT'S ON MY OWN VIEW ONLY ).....
COZ' MY UPLINE HERE IS A MEMBER ALSO OF THE FLP BUT HE'S CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN MY NETWORKING GROUP AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE LEARNED A LOT FROM FLP......FLP MADE HIM A TRUE NETWORKER COZ' HE LEARNED A LOT OF TECHNIQUES AND TRAINING.

AS OF JUNE 15 2001 I ALREADY HAVE 2 DOWNLINES UP TO NOW....
AND STILL WORKING ON IT...ITS TRUE THAT NETWORKING IS NOT AN EASY TO GET RICH BUSINESS... U HAVE TO WORK FOR IT BUT THE PAYBACK IS WORTH IT. BY THE WAY MY UPLINE IS ALSO A FORMER MEMBER OF THE NET IOL BUSINESS.

IF UR INTERESTED JUST E MAIL ME BACK....I HOPE THIS MAY HELP..!


DEATHWALK

[DELISYUS]

in the long run....are MLMs good for the economy???

i understand how people at the top (or the first batch of uplines) are the ones who benefit the most.......but a part of me thinks that those who are in the downlines wouldn't have earned that kind of money another way.....

[DEATHWALK]

OK I'LL TELL YOU PPL HOW THIS NETWORKING OF MINE GOES:

The name of the company is "Prozinergy" , it is the marketing arm of "The Professional Group" which is the product provider and created Prozinergy. The Professional Group is the first pension plan company in the Philippines. And its been here for 25 yrs now. But the "Prozinergy" is 3 months pa lang. So mas ok kse bago pa lang!

Here's the unique part in TPG not like typical networking companies. Worst comes to worst....in all networking companies you're gonna have downlines in order for u to earn. What if your donwnlines dont move, what will happen to your investment. Wala na right, but in TPG even if the networking business is gone, you still have your money because you are not actually paying something, you're actually saving your money for the future, remember its a pension plan. And what is a pension plan, a pension plan provides a specific amount to be paid to the planholder at a specific future date. Payment could be in lump sum or in regular continuous payment over a period of time. So when you reach the maturity date that's on the tenth year, whether you like it or not you're gonna recieve P100,000 or you can choose from their 3 maturity options on what you want to do on your P100,000.

Here's more good news, while you are doing your networking business, of course you meet a lot of people outside, whatever happens to you, (accident, death , dismemberment, disable) you are insured. Your beneficiary or you can recieve double the maturity value which is P200,000. So your safety is secured and so as your money. coz' even the networking stops you're really gonna have your money back with the interest on your maturity date. At least your money is safe and you as well. THAT'S FOR THE PRODUCT PA LANG!!!!!!.


Now let's talk about the marketing plan, they also applied the Binary Networking System... the No.1 system al over the world. So here it goes.... Binary system simply means you have to have 2 downlines, one on your left and one on your right. Each time you achieve 1 pair, you will get P2,500.
And then if you achieve 3 to 15 pairs a day, you get P2,500 each pair plus $10 each pair. For example you achieve 10 pairs in a day.... so u get (P2,500 * 10) plus $100 and that's up to 15 pairs. And then if you achieve 16 pairs a day....the company will pay you not P2,500 per pair but P3,000 per pair plus $200. So what do you think... and that's not all.

Every time you achieve the 5th pair, that will go to what they call "The Zinergy Club" and that is used to pay your succeeding premium so you wont have to worry about next year. Coz' this pension plan is 5 yrs. to pay and then you wait another 5 yrs. then you get the maturity value plus the APC. So aside from the maturity value that you will get you're still earning in your networking. You can also use the "Zinergy Club" to purchase house, car, educational plans and other plans and a lot more.

You will get your income weekly based on how many pairs entered your network. But the key here is teamwork, so no worries.

For me, this is one of the networking co. that i can say it's good, coz' im secured, my money is safe, and the product is very easy to sell and it is for long term. What more will i ask....

As of now i already have 3 downlines and i joined only last June 15, 2001 and to think of it i haven't done anything yet.

Well its up to you guys on what you will think of it but for me i think i got the right decision.

By the way the initial that you are going to pay is P15,028
and you will pay "annually" and not monthly or semi-annual.


If anyone is interested just email me : walk17@hotmail.com


DEATHWALK

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by Anck-Su-Namun
Is there a difference between MLM, pyramiding, and networking?

Read a book about the subject.

MLM = Networking = hard work

Pyramid = You sit down and make money while people work hard for it.

There is no LEGIT MLM that will give you income when your not being productive.

MLM MUST BE RETAIL BASED NOT MEMBERSHIP BASED.

BTW, MLM ALSO HAS A CODE OF ETHICS, pyramid has none.

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by DELISYUS
in the long run....are MLMs good for the economy???

i understand how people at the top (or the first batch of uplines) are the ones who benefit the most.......but a part of me thinks that those who are in the downlines wouldn't have earned that kind of money another way..... ------->Thats pyramiding honey.

MLM=whoever is the one who is working the hardest and the smartest and the most productive.

[palacio_a2]

let the law decide if it is legal or not.

i've read the article in manila times that it under investigation by SEC and DTI.

Prosperity is already padlocked and powerhomes is linked with prosperity i suggest you stand and watch.

if you want to get into networking read books first then you decide wich company to join.

REMEMBER! not all MLM companies are stable and lucrative.

but i guess mistake is an ingridient of learning.

Take care

here are some pointers in choosing a good MLM company:

1) review the company background/history. remeber in networking the longer the more stable and better. check the company if it has debts, law suits against that company, how many braches it has in the world and in the Phil., etc....

2) Check thier product. QUALITY! QUALITY! QUALITY! it's all about quality. dont look at the price... look at the quality! example: what will you choose, a kia pride or a honda civic? IMPORTANT THE PRODUCT MUST BE TANGIBLE AND CONSUMABLE.

3) Check if thier marketing plan. check how many people in the company is earning the promised income potential.

WARNING!

BEWARE NOT ALL MLM COMPANIES ARE LEGIT AND PROFITABLE!

[enchantress]

whatever...

basta, all i can say is that i've been burned by mlm. i joined a legit company naman a few years back. unfortunately, after i joined tsaka ko lang na-realize na mlm is not me. i don't have a "salesman" personality kse.

i noticed that people who succeed in mlm has this personality na talagang go-getter and can sell matches to the devil.

if any of you are going into mlm, research well. make sure na ok itong pinapasukan ninyo. and remember to see rin if this type of business is for you. no matter what they say, you have to SELL, either their products or their company. make sure lang its not yourself or your ethics.

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by enchantress
whatever...

basta, all i can say is that i've been burned by mlm. i joined a legit company naman a few years back. unfortunately, after i joined tsaka ko lang na-realize na mlm is not me. i don't have a "salesman" personality kse.

i noticed that people who succeed in mlm has this personality na talagang go-getter and can sell matches to the devil.

if any of you are going into mlm, research well. make sure na ok itong pinapasukan ninyo. and remember to see rin if this type of business is for you. no matter what they say, you have to SELL, either their products or their company. make sure lang its not yourself or your ethics.

sad but true... those who succeed in MLM are those who have, or adopted, the attitude of... persistence, hard work, and a commitment or dedication beyond imagining... they do thier work whatever it takes.

usually, those who desperately wants to achieve thier dreams... btw, experiences and success rates vary between different MLM companies.

KAYA NGA CHOSE CAREFULLY EH!

PEACE! :angel:

[Mymnosene]

i used to be with skybiz. legit, but it makes you wonder....

henniway, can i ask for an interview with the peeps who are into this kind of biz? identities and details will be protected, i just want to get a feel of MLM to put out a general article about it. Please reply.

[Leigh]

FTC levels charges in Net pyramid scheme
By The Associated Press
Special to CNET News.com
June 18, 2001, 4:10 p.m. PT

WASHINGTON--The government has charged four companies with using the Internet to con consumers around the globe out of about $175 million in a massive pyramid scheme.

SkyBiz.com, based in Tulsa, Okla., and three partner companies promoted a work-at-home business, charging $125 for an educational software package and the opportunity to earn money by recruiting others to buy the packages, the Federal Trade Commission said Monday.

The recruits would have to buy one or more packages and then could recruit still more people and so on, earning commissions for those above them in the recruiting chain, the agency said, announcing the details of sealed civil charges filed on May 30.

"This is one of the biggest pyramid schemes we've seen," said Howard Beales, director of the FTC's consumer protection bureau. He said the Internet is a "quick, cheap way to reach consumers around the world with whatever the latest con is, and here it has provided a forum to resurrect one of the oldest scams around."

Full Article (http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-6313130.html?tag=mn_hd)

[palacio_a2]

Originally posted by Mymnosene
i used to be with skybiz. legit, but it makes you wonder....

henniway, can i ask for an interview with the peeps who are into this kind of biz? identities and details will be protected, i just want to get a feel of MLM to put out a general article about it. Please reply.

cge email me at palacio_a@edsamail.com.ph

[DEATHWALK]

OK I'LL TELL YOU PPL HOW THIS NETWORKING OF MINE GOES:

The name of the company is "Prozinergy" , it is the marketing arm of "The Professional Group" which is the product provider and created Prozinergy. The Professional Group is the first pension plan company in the Philippines. And its been here for 25 yrs now. But the "Prozinergy" is 3 months pa lang. So mas ok kse bago pa lang!

Here's the unique part in TPG not like typical networking companies. Worst comes to worst....in all networking companies you're gonna have downlines in order for u to earn. What if your donwnlines dont move, what will happen to your investment. Wala na right, but in TPG even if the networking business is gone, you still have your money because you are not actually paying something, you're actually saving your money for the future, remember its a pension plan. And what is a pension plan, a pension plan provides a specific amount to be paid to the planholder at a specific future date. Payment could be in lump sum or in regular continuous payment over a period of time. So when you reach the maturity date that's on the tenth year, whether you like it or not you're gonna recieve P100,000 or you can choose from their 3 maturity options on what you want to do on your P100,000.

Here's more good news, while you are doing your networking business, of course you meet a lot of people outside, whatever happens to you, (accident, death , dismemberment, disable) you are insured. Your beneficiary or you can recieve double the maturity value which is P200,000. So your safety is secured and so as your money. coz' even the networking stops you're really gonna have your money back with the interest on your maturity date. At least your money is safe and you as well. THAT'S FOR THE PRODUCT PA LANG!!!!!!.


Now let's talk about the marketing plan, they also applied the Binary Networking System... the No.1 system al over the world. So here it goes.... Binary system simply means you have to have 2 downlines, one on your left and one on your right. Each time you achieve 1 pair, you will get P2,500.
And then if you achieve 3 to 15 pairs a day, you get P2,500 each pair plus $10 each pair. For example you achieve 10 pairs in a day.... so u get (P2,500 * 10) plus $100 and that's up to 15 pairs. And then if you achieve 16 pairs a day....the company will pay you not P2,500 per pair but P3,000 per pair plus $200. So what do you think... and that's not all.

Every time you achieve the 5th pair, that will go to what they call "The Zinergy Club" and that is used to pay your succeeding premium so you wont have to worry about next year. Coz' this pension plan is 5 yrs. to pay and then you wait another 5 yrs. then you get the maturity value plus the APC. So aside from the maturity value that you will get you're still earning in your networking. You can also use the "Zinergy Club" to purchase house, car, educational plans and other plans and a lot more.

You will get your income weekly based on how many pairs entered your network. But the key here is teamwork, so no worries.

For me, this is one of the networking co. that i can say it's good, coz' im secured, my money is safe, and the product is very easy to sell and it is for long term. What more will i ask....

As of now i already have 6 downlines and i joined only last June 15, 2001 and to think of it i haven't done anything yet.

Well its up to you guys on what you will think of it but for me i think i got the right decision.

By the way the initial that you are going to pay is P15,028 and you are automatically a plan holder and you will pay "annually" and not monthly or semi-annual.


If anyone is interested just email me : walk17@hotmail.com


DEATHWALK

[DELISYUS]

Originally posted by Mymnosene
i used to be with skybiz. legit, but it makes you wonder....

henniway, can i ask for an interview with the peeps who are into this kind of biz? identities and details will be protected, i just want to get a feel of MLM to put out a general article about it. Please reply.

while you're at it.....will you include POWERHOMES??? :) tnx :)

[prince_a1]

Originally posted by DELISYUS


while you're at it.....will you include POWERHOMES??? :) tnx :)

Deli,

Why not try looking at other MLM companies that arent in trouble with DTI or SEC. Try keeping your options open and attend seminars of other MLM companies.

[twentysix]

MLM won't definitely work for me, but for people with great determination and patience, I guess it will.

[stanley]

I've been attending seminars at the Dusit Hotel with Skybiz.com...
I've already signed up, but haven't paid yet..
And just recently I heard from the news that another company, I think it's Prosperity.com, was filed charges in court...

Could this signify a chain of events with Network Marketing companies????

Pls... help.....

[Leigh]

Actually, with Prosperity, they still have seminars now and they are holding office in Tektite, my suggestion is, maybe you can ask some of the people who have actually tried it...i think Mymnosene has tried Skybiz....

Skybiz is actually having trouble in the U.S. now - please check the post i have placed before :)

Goodluck.

[stanley]

Thanks, ma'm.

;)

[CaRaMBa]

I'm not comfortable with it. If the product is really good, then why aren't they into traditional marketing so that it will reach more people? Well, that's just me. I respect you guys who are into this.

[prince_a1]

answer.......

mlm will give you more market over traditional channels of distribution.

example:

if a certain mlm company has 1M active distributors they all will work thier share to earn money... they are driven by thier goals and aspirations... hence the will produce, or move products, or train another generation of networkers to do the job for them.

did i make any sense?

anyway, this will ensure you 1M people moving the products for you instead of retailers selling for you who dont care but just for profit.

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

:|

[KuHRant^21]

Originally posted by CaRaMBa
I'm not comfortable with it. If the product is really good, then why aren't they into traditional marketing so that it will reach more people? Well, that's just me. I respect you guys who are into this.

Network marketing basically uses word of mouth marketing to distribute their products, instead of putting up advertisements or billboards, primarily because it is more reliable to do so. It isn't necessarily selling, but more of recommending something.

So many traditional companies are also using network marketing to distribute their products nowadays.. companies like Sky cable, Coke, and Proctor & Gamble.

Ex. If you watch a good movie, you'd tend to tell your girl friends about it right? of course they'd believe you more than any high budget trailer. So they watch it, but instead of you making the money for referring it, the movie house did.

Word of mouth advertising basically is just more reliable because it comes from a reliable source.

[KuHRant^21]

Facts and views about MLM / Network Marketing

- Network Marketing is generally a reliable channel for distributing products/services.
- An acuired skill is always an advantage, but a background in sales is unnecessary
- The reason why word of mouth advertising is better than any form of advertising is because it's based on relationship. Relationships have what advertising will never have, and that's trust.
- Never "fall in love" with the company. As with all businesses, it should be treated as such, a business.
- You are not limited to a single geographical location, in other words, it's a global business. (that's big)

There are a lot of MLM companies out there that promise wealth and instant cash.. and most of the time they aren't lying. Although it takes a keen eye and due diligence to spot the legit ones and the ones which would produce a lot of money. (they may be legit ones but the potentials for wealth are already gone) It's like looking at what good stocks to buy and invest in.. You have to do your research before you get in.

There are 4 business principles you have to spot:
1. Huge expanding market
2. Unique and consummable products
3. Timing in trends
4. Ability to create leverage

It also has to comply with the Anti-Pyramiding Act.
There are 3 vital factors which determine or not a company is involved in an illegal pyramid scheme:

1. Does the product have the right quality, price and value. Often pyramid schemes offer poor quality products that are overpriced. Pyramids don't have verifiable service capabilities. They are simply hole in the wall operations which thrive on the recruiting surge and later disappear. Typically even legitimate MLM companies have products more expensive than the retail trade.

2. The second is in the design of its marketing plan. Is the marketing plan strictly a recruiting plan? Pyramid plans are slanted into recruiting primarily because the product being offered cannot be retailed because of its quality, value, and/or price. As such the real value of the business opportunity is through recruiting. US Federal Trade Commission laws have concluded that such plans are pyramids.

3. The third factor is the company policies and practices. The FTC with one glance call tell weather a company is a pyramid operations or not. A company's policy manual will reveal this. Tell tale signs are: Repurchase of product, retail policy, emphasis on product or service.

Here is a list of a few companies.. FLP (forever living products), Nuskin, Amway, Cosway, DXN, Skybiz, Powerhomes, Herbalife, Lifestyles, Prozinergy, and many others.

Here are just a few comments:

I am a current user of Forever living products and Nuskin, because, quite frankly, they are really good. But then the mechanics for generating wealth are deminishing, that's why I didn't get in. (I'm not saying that you shouldn't) I know these two companies from the inside out, so if you have any questions and comments, pm or e-mail me.

Prosperity was recently closed for violating the Anti-Pyramiding Act, in fact, the owner is a drug addict. Skybiz has relatively the same business operations.

I know the thought of earning 50T, 80T, or even 180T/mo. may sound very inviting or tempting, but why settle for that when you can earn bigger? I've met people and have friends who are earning 2M, even 4M/mo. And most of them were there when it started. The key is pioneering.

If you want to know what company I'm in right now or comments/questions about skybiz, forever living, nuskin, or powerhomes, don't hesitate to pm me or send me an e-mail at
kconstantine@hotmail.com

[amegs_VA]

na-catch attention ko nitong thread... i tried cosway (binanggit pa e no? :) -- napamahal kase yon sa kin e), it worked kaya lang hindi ako nag-concentrate sa pag-re-recruite kaya nong nag-resign ako nawala ang market ko :( pero nong time na nag se-sell ako, may market pa ko non, nakakatanggap ako ng commission na Php20,000+ a month kaya encouraging. so next time nagkaron uli ako ng "opportunity" kinagat ko. kaya lang itong isang ito nakakapagod kase sa Makati kami kumukuha ng product pero malayo kami don. may meeting every week at kailangan ko talaga ng maraming time (di ba promise nila hindi ka raw nila hihingan ng maraming time :( -- halos lagi nga ako nong wala sa bahay pag may pagkakataon para lang ibenta yong products nila at mag-recruit, nakakapagod), tuturuan ka nila mag marketing pero nakakapagod at magastos. pero dahil hindi naman lahat ng MLM ganon, hahanap ka lang ng babagay sa yo at yong legit, magwo-work yon kailangan talaga ng sipag at tyaga... wag kang magmamadali dahil don ka mag-uumpisang masiraan ng loob.

please visit my website: http://www.amegs-bizonline.com

salamat sa pagpapaunlak :sunnysmile:

[Leigh]

Yesterday, i got to watch Extra-Extra about their MLM feature - it's about Powerhomes and Trevoca, i actually didn't get to watch the whole segment, i came when the staff of extra-extra were mentioning that the people from Powerhomes were giving them money "pangmerienda", they said that it was an obvious form of "lagay" since i didn't get to watch the whole report on Powerhomes, i can't react.

Then there was trevoca, The CEO was the one who gave the interview, that's really nice coz so far, i have never seen an interview by any MLM company head. He said that you can earn two ways - one by recruitment and the other one by selling the number boxes of Trevoca. Alma Concepcion(the actress) was even there to testify that she earned 50,000 in 6 months.

KuHRant^21, you mentioned the Anti-Pyramiding Act, how would you know if the items are "fairly priced"? The show also mentioned that if they ask you a certain amount as joining fee, you have to be careful about this

[jazzy]

My personal insight =)

I've attended few seminars with different company that has this scheme. Ok naman sila like foreverliving, amway... and others :)

I made some guidlines for myself before joining. Pwede nyo ring i-take consideration before joining.

1. How stable is the company. Consider reputation and performance.
- kaya nasira ang term na "networking" because of some companies na niloloko lang ang tao... kaya kung mag invite ka ng friend, relative on this and mention "networking" ayaw na nila. did i hear amen? :)

2. How good the product is. How easily can you sell it.
- isipin nyo din kung gano kadaming tao ang gagamit ng product nyo. like beauty products, most likely you excluded majority of men, so it is hard to sell. I consider the price of the product as secondary to the quality of the product or services. Again, like website, sino lang ba ang gusto magkaroon ng website.

3. Are these scheme pro-people or pro-company?
- if the money use to pay the agents are coming from the recruits itself, kalokohan yan. the money should be from the profit of the product. the company cuts their part and give it to the agents.

these are just few guidelines
;)

[KuHRant^21]

Originally posted by Leigh
Yesterday, i got to watch Extra-Extra about their MLM feature - it's about Powerhomes and Trevoca, i actually didn't get to watch the whole segment, i came when the staff of extra-extra were mentioning that the people from Powerhomes were giving them money "pangmerienda", they said that it was an obvious form of "lagay" since i didn't get to watch the whole report on Powerhomes, i can't react.

Then there was trevoca, The CEO was the one who gave the interview, that's really nice coz so far, i have never seen an interview by any MLM company head. He said that you can earn two ways - one by recruitment and the other one by selling the number boxes of Trevoca. Alma Concepcion(the actress) was even there to testify that she earned 50,000 in 6 months.

KuHRant^21, you mentioned the Anti-Pyramiding Act, how would you know if the items are "fairly priced"? The show also mentioned that if they ask you a certain amount as joining fee, you have to be careful about this

Good question Leigh. I'm also in Trevoca and I know Alma. She's doing it full time now actually.

The product has to be competitive in pricing with the products in the market. The price range of the product is in direct comparison to Pharmaton. ( Pharmaton=P20/Trevoca=P17.50 ) But the quality is comparable to GNC products. So with that, The value of the product even exeeds its price.
The "joining fee" is nothing more that an investment to the business. As long as the products are worth the price, then its legal.
Just like buying a franchise, but at a lot cheaper cost and the returns are even greater.
If you win P20,000,000 in the lotto, you had to but the ticket first right?

People are making $700 - $7,000/ per week. with Trevoca (considering it just started operating this March 2001), and that's just the beginning. Wait till it goes global. I'm sure it was well worth the small investment, wouldn't you agree? :)

[jazzy]

DEATHWALK, i'm also into ProZinergy right now. well, i think it's the best right now.

with no risk at all. purely saving and earning.

who doesn't want that?

[KuHRant^21]

In able to attain great wealth, one must learn to manage risk, not avoid them.

[amegs_VA]

Naniniwala parin ako sa MLM... marami namang legit... mag-iingat lang kayo :sunnysmile:

[KuHRant^21]

Here's a sample of a weekly check that a friend of mine receives. You don't actually cut it out. It automatically goes to your dollar account t Unionbank and you can monitor it through your passbook every Friday, and everything is computed online.
She's 20 (still in college), 6 months in the business, ave. working time: 2 hrs a day (actually anytime she wants).
I just started last week so I'm still in the 100's.

The company is set to go global starting this December. You just have to ride the wave.

[jazzy]

Originally posted by KuHRant^21
In able to attain great wealth, one must learn to manage risk, not avoid them.

And why would you take the risk if you don't have to?

maybe you're into a risky business now.:D
maybe you should open your eyes to other options.

i'll talk to you if interested.

[zimdude]

What kind of business has no risk?
Claiming there's no risk in any business, including MLM is misleading... you really can't say that money will just pour in.

[TOGOODTOBETRUE]

There is no doubt that at least ONE strong network marketing arm exist here in the Philippines

Business Seminar Of A Lifetime Opportunity

I am inviting Everyone to attend a seminar, This is network marketing. I GUARANTEE YOU that what you will be attending is NOT a waste of time.
“Income Becomes Savings And At The Same Time The Savings Becomes the Income.”

The Success of Anyone In Any MLM Business:

-Stable Company
-Acceptable Products
-Good Marketing Plan
-You (Your A S K) (Attitude Skill & Knowledge)

For those people who are interested.
mail me at zinergy2001@yahoo.com
just leave your personal info,

"Success Is Not What You Earn Today, But What You Save For The Future"

[jazzy]

Originally posted by zimdude
What kind of business has no risk?
Claiming there's no risk in any business, including MLM is misleading... you really can't say that money will just pour in.

i agree on that. to make my statement clear, i'm saying that in the business that i'm into, there's no risk of losing your money since your actually saving and not investing.

clear so far? intruiging huh? that's how good this business is.

[poweredarcher]

Guys the network mktg. business I've barely started for about two weeks have created great results. It's comparatively easy and it will definitely not cost you a fortune to start. Actually, at most that you will invest is P1,250.00 and with a maximum output of P4,000.00/day or P100T+ / month. The system uses Binary CRP = 1/1.

Simple no? you can reach me @ e-mail: junz@greenarcher.net or mobile no. (0917) 503.0322.

Give me 20 minutes and i'll show you a world of difference.

[Leigh]

KuHRant^21,

thanks for the information, everything is clearer now.

Good luck to you guys.

[Malachii]

ey guys! we just launched a company last week and a friend of mine already earned more than P200,000 in one day!!! dats right, in ONE DAY!!!! to those of you who are interested...please email me at passion016@hotmail.com
:D

[KuHRant^21]

Here's some good advice for those who are considering to invest in an MLM company:

1. To do your due diligence and research first about a specific company before you engage in it. You could check if it's registered with the S.E.C., D.T.I. and if it has a consumable product (ie. multivitamins, coffee, aloe, etc.) the BFAD.
2. Attend a lot of different "seminars" to determine what company you think would suit your interests and where you would be the most productive in, therefore yielding greater or the best results.
3. Seek different opinions from people who've tried the company that you might be interested in investing in (not currently into, because they tend to sugarcoat and give biased responses). If they voice out so much frustration, then you should take that into notice. If the company is relatively new, #1 and #4, and #5.
4. Also take into consideration the market size of the product and/or service it offers and also how long it has been in operation, globally or locally. Better if it offers a consumable product for residual income.
5. If it operates using a Binary system, check whether it is not in violation of the Anti - Pyramiding Act.

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

hhhmmm.... so malachii are you also earning that same amount just like your friend?


:)

[amegs_VA]

I tried doing MLM a couple of times and I don't easily give up, it's lucrative as long as you know how to manage it well. Good luck to all of us :)

To those of you who have a US mailing address, please visit website located at http://www.amegs-bizonline.com, if you want to ask further about the business, you can contact me at amegs (amegsbizonline@yahoo.com).
If you are not living in the US, I would appreciate it very very much if you can help me introduce the business by referring the website to your family and/or friends in the US whom might get interested as well which can be done directly through the site by clicking the Refer-A-Friend at the top portion of the page.

thanks for your help and support.

:sunnysmile:

[Malachii]

well clairechill to be honest...nope not YET;) but with a little hardwork, i'm not that far from earning the same amount:) anyway, if ur interestd to learn more about the company, text me at 0917-5316080 or email me at passion016@hotmail.com believe me u wont regret it:)

[rubberdorkey]

Originally posted by DEATHWALK
OK I'LL TELL YOU PPL HOW THIS NETWORKING OF MINE GOES:

The name of the company is "Prozinergy" , it is the marketing arm of "The Professional Group" which is the product provider and created Prozinergy. The Professional Group is the first pension plan company in the Philippines. And its been here for 25 yrs now. But the "Prozinergy" is 3 months pa lang. So mas ok kse bago pa lang!


DEATHWALK is correct.

I work for TPG as an employee. It's a 25 year pre-need company offering Pension and Academic Plan, so it's VERY LEGIT. With Pro-Zinergy as it's marketing arm, you have the option of buying a pension plan with a maturity value of P100,000 and earn at the same time.

It's not a 'racket' just like the others. Kasi bibili ka ng plano mo na 5 years to pay (annual payment). The fun part is that since you already have a plan, you may earn as well by referring at least two (2) referrals who are interested in 'buying' a plan. If you are not able to get these referrals, no problem, may pension plan ka pa rin.

if you are interested for more details you may send me a PM or email me at agp@compass.com.ph

DEATHWALK, my sincere apology for sharing in with your biz in this space. :)

[jazzy]

Differences with Scam, Pyramyding and True Networking.

Scam - with these, there are no products involved. these are purely money. incentives are all from registration fee of all recruits.

Pyramiding - this time, it has products or services but are over priced. just imagine if these products will still be competitive if you removed the sponsoring or networking. i know a big MLM company has toothpaste worth P350 =) ooopppsss... :shutup:

True Networking - has a value products and sponsoring.

Note: beware of a syndicate of Networkers. this group are jumping from one company to another just to take advantage of being a pioneer on the network. these people has no concerns with the company they are into, it's pure greed. their faces are very familiar to you, maybe you saw some of them on T.V. :D

God bless the Philippines! *orangeangel*

[eurocivic]

isn't it illegal?:rolleyes:

[pinkmoon]

I've had various first and second-hand experiences with MLM companies:

1. My husband's best friend was recruited by a company that was an off shoot of Amway. The same guy that recruited him and his then wife tried to recruit myself and my husband as well, but we turned it down. My friend based his calculations on the recruiter's entire presentation, not accounting for a lot of unseen factors like actual networking and selling, etc. Basta nakita niya lang yung figures and swallowed stories of wealth, kumagat na siya. It wasn't necessarily a bad experience but it's been two years since he was first recruited and to this day, nothing substantial has happened to him.

2. A friend of a friend was recruited into Amway when she first moved here to Canada because she wasn't able to find a job right away. She had to give it up because basically she said it was hard to work at it not knowing anyone and not having an existing network.

3. My ninang from the States was one of the first people to bring NuSkin to the Philippines. She's a doctor and I guess her expertise helped shed a different light on the MLM aspect of the product, even downplaying the networking and selling part. I actually didn't realize it was an MLM scheme until later on when the group started holding their first major recruiting seminars.

4. My mother-in-law encountered a certain juice product that unfortunately did not live up to its hype. When my husband and I looked into the background of the product and company and found out that it was MLM-based, it explained a lot of things.

5. My mom's friend was into HerbaLife for a while and she almost got into it pero wala ring nangyari, and for my mom's friend it was only ever a sideline until he gave it up.

6. When I was in Manila last year, my mom told me that her and my titas were into that SkyBiz thing for a while, but I guess it fizzled out rin at least for them kasi wala na rin akong narinig about it after.

Moral of the story: so far no one I know involved in any MLM schemes have claimed that it really lives up to the hype, except of course for my ninang who was already making a good living as a doctor anyway, plus she was at the top of the ranks where the real money comes in.

[jazzy]

Originally posted by eurocivic
isn't it illegal?:rolleyes:

It is legal of course. Pyramidying is Illegal. I think Network Marketing is now being teach in different universities here in the Philippines.

[Leigh]

jazzy - thanks for the definition of terms :)

Powerhomes just celebrated their 1 year anniversary, i guess they are doing well.

[evz39]

EARN P4,000 / DAY - Capital: P1,250.00 - Simple system

LIFELINK - Earning big & fast was never this simple.

THE LIFELINK BUSINESS.

Guys the business I've been doing for only a month now has created great results already. It's comparatively easy and it will definitely not cost you a fortune to start. Actually, at most that you will invest is P1,250.00 and with a maximum output of P4,000.00/day or P100T+ / month. Like many companies today, we apply the Binary CRP = 1/1 system because it is simply more effective.

Simple no? you can e-mail me: jun_zulueta@yahoo.com or mobile no. (0917) 503.0322 or if you can provide me with your numbers that would be great.

Give me 20 minutes and i'll show you a world of difference

[KuHRant^21]

Originally posted by jazzy

Pyramiding - this time, it has products or services but are over priced. just imagine if these products will still be competitive if you removed the sponsoring or networking. i know a big MLM company has toothpaste worth P350 =) ooopppsss... :shutup:

Note: beware of a syndicate of Networkers. this group are jumping from one company to another just to take advantage of being a pioneer on the network. these people has no concerns with the company they are into, it's pure greed. their faces are very familiar to you, maybe you saw some of them on T.V. :D


probably you could site these companies instead eh? tayo tayo lang naman dito, and we'll see if you indeed know what you're talking about.

[jazzy]

Originally posted by Leigh
jazzy - thanks for the definition of terms :)

Powerhomes just celebrated their 1 year anniversary, i guess they are doing well.

Congratulations!

[jazzy]

Originally posted by KuHRant^21


probably you could site these companies instead eh? tayo tayo lang naman dito, and we'll see if you indeed know what you're talking about.

Gustong-gusto ko sana kaya lang tiyak makaka-sagasa ako. I joined pex to learn from others and hoping also to educate to some. If anyone of you in MLM now, try to know more about your leaders. What do they think about networking?

If they're saying that you can be one of the pioneer, think again specially if they already earned 200T in just a week. Ilang downlines yun ??? :)

[poweredarcher]

P90,000 TO UNLIMITED / Mo, CAPITAL: P1,250.00

P90T to UNLIMITED / Month, Capital: P1,250.00

THE LIFELINK BUSINESS.

Guys the business I've barely started for about a month now has created results that has exceeded my expectations. It's comparatively easy and it will definitely not cost you a fortune to start. Actually, at most that you will invest is P1,250.00 and with a maximum output of P4,000.00/day or P100T+ / month.

You can leave your names and numbers at my e-mail: junz@greenarcher.net OR txt/call me at my
mobile no.(0917) 503.0322.

Give me 30 minutes and i'll show you a world of difference.
This ad is purely based on facts!

[KuHRant^21]

Well if you look at it... in all network marketing companies, there are pioneers.
It only depends if you'll be pioneering a legit company.
As I've mentioned before, it's a matter of managing risk, not avoiding it. So if you're a pioneer of a legal company, and even better yet, if it's set to go global... pat yourself on the back for doing your due diligence because you're a very very lucky person.

[Netrepreneur]

last summer kasi naghahanap ako ng OJT or part time, required kasi sa course, may tinawagan akong ads tapos he disguise his company and change its name, instead of interviewing me in their office, sa McDonalgs Kamuning nya ko pinapunta, akala ko with connections sya sa McDo, tapos isinama nya ako sa Office nila sa Greenhills, yun pala Networking about food/healt suppliment sor something yung product nila, OK naman kasi sana, I'm willing to go to listen to them kaya lang pinaikot pa niya ako, and they keep on flashing their checks, eh ano paki ko doon di naman nila ibibigay sakin yun.

I'm also Involved in Networkmarketing we currently oppened a company here in the Philippines to represent our US company, ang hirap kasi sa iba, pilit nilang tinatago ang mga companies nila.they are afraid to talk about their products and services, puro pera pera lang, hindi ako nagmamalinis, kaya lang we should take this business with respect to others, kasi legitimate naman ito and i consider it as a career.

kayo ano mga experience nyo.

This is our company and I'm not ashamed of it http://www.my21stnetwork.cjb.net

[crazy_fool_22]

i was once invited and became a member of a particular MLM company.
i liked the marketing plan and all.. i didnt mind the selling and recruiting coz somehow, i found myself attracting whatever and whoever i needed for the business. i knew i had the potentials in that sort of business. but somehow, i guess i dont really belong there. i needed to leave the country.
so much for MLM companies... but i had lots of fun doing it! i've learned a lot of things..

[noniegood]

hello buddy! why dont you try eduplan's specialized marketing. it's easier and affordable. currently, our group is looking for key leaders for our metro manila business center. baka gusto mo. you can call me or text me at 09192707908. il be glad to assist you. you can also email me at noniegood@yahoo.com. thanks and looking forward to meeting you and hopefully doing business with you.


noniegood

[Netrepreneur]

noniegood, I posted this topic to discuss about bad experiences in mlm, i"m not looking for another company, I'm sorry, you can post your offer somewhere and start your own post. please give respect to my readers.

go to classifed ads, and let this post remain to its topic. thank you.

[thehitman]

Kinda hard to distinguish between MLM and pyramid. I was nearly suckered into signing up for Skybiz a year ago. Good thing I balked at the $125 joining fee. Who would have thought that one year later that Skybiz would be exposed as a pyramid, with no real products to offer.

Another one is the outrageousness of the prices. I got feedback from someone who joined NU Skin. The concept was okay, the business was legit, the products were excellent, but part of the marketing gimik was to withhold the prices of the products. The catalog would only be released once one has joined. No matter how effective the product is, the average person would not spend P500 for a bar of soap. Especially now that money is hard to come by these days, luxury items are hard to market, regardless of their effectiveness.

[rains_delight]

here is the story, I was looking for a company that is looking for a part time accountant. So one of my co member in our cooperative told me that his friend is looking for one. So we met in our place and went to Greenhills. I thought we will meet him in Pizza hut. We were late for the appointment so we immediately went to his office.That was his claim. I saw a lot of people in the place. I t was really odd because it was a Saturday 5:00 pm and normally, people's productivity are low,

Finally, I was introduced to Forever Living. I got so pissed with my co member for not telling the truth, and he is sure that I will say no as an answer.

Since I am a graduate of MBA, I bombarded them with questions they cannot answer. Imagine, there were five trainors in front of me, convincing to join their network. I was firm, I said "no". I started my lecture on how to Motivate People.

In short, natigalgal sila.

[GOwin]

since this is a networking business thread, i'd like to invite everyone to a NEW business opportunity.

You can have a chance of earning money from text messages sent to your mobile phone! Just imagine what opportunities are available in the Philippines - the SMS/texting capital of the world!

For more info, please see their site (http://www.dynamicsms.com.au/intro.asp?ref=9179016562&refc=382) or my post (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=67918) at the classifieds forum.

[VINCEsanity]

sino ba ang nasa marketing *****?

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

What if yung product ng MLM eh na pull out ng BFAD? gano kalaki ang magiging negative effect nito sa mga members ng MLM company na to and ang magiging impact nito sa mga consumer ng product nila?

Well i ask this kasi kahapon daw nai-report sa Alas Singko Y Medya na pinull-out daw ng BFAD ang Gano

[jazzy]

mukhang lahat ayaw na sa Forever Living. :)

mahirap kasi dun. i know some friends who was once obsessed with the company and their products. The company promised fortune in a simpliest way, pero pag pasok ka na, hindi pala.

People you usually see and hear active on this company are usually baguhan. They just begun in few months, but after few more months mag sasawa din and they'll realize na mahirap pa la. Also, during business preview, di nila sasabihin na may quota pala. Pag pasok ka na, dun mo lang malalaman.

The reason na tinatago nila, alam nilang dina kakagat ang tao.
Pagod na ang tao sa pagiging tindero't tindera. Pagod na sa pagiging walking sari-sari store.

Sarado pa isip ng mga yun pag sinabihan mo :)

I'm also with a MLM Company, http://www.prozinergy.com/

[jazzy]

Originally posted by CLaiRe_ChiLL
What if yung product ng MLM eh na pull out ng BFAD? gano kalaki ang magiging negative effect nito sa mga members ng MLM company na to and ang magiging impact nito sa mga consumer ng product nila?

Well i ask this kasi kahapon daw nai-report sa Alas Singko Y Medya na pinull-out daw ng BFAD ang Gano

what MLM company is that? anybody should not sell any products that are not recognized by BFAD. I think it is the start of downfall of that MLM company.

[SILENTMAX]

stay away from mlm
it is evil,evil i say
it will suck you into its greed machine
my sis attended one and the guy who sponsored it drove a mercedes- benze slk and said they can get one to if they do it.
evil........

[spicyham]

sm1 invited me 4 prozinergy but my mom cautioned me with regards to trust funds.
may kinausap akong financial analyst ng metrobank and he said that the main difference with PRENEED PLAN (ex.prozinergy) and LIFE INSURANCE is that mas stable ang life insurance because life insurance is governed by the insurance commission which is a government body.

yung trust fund sa preneed plans ay nakapangalan sa may ari ng company and if something happens sila and may authority kung san mapupunta yung pera, meaning pwede nila ipambayad kung san man nila gustohin, kung ihonor nila ang obligations muna nila sa investors o hinde). marami na preneed plans nagsara, manulife lang name naalala ko.

sa insurance naman, protected by law na ang trust fund ay para lamang sa pagsettle ng repayments to investors lang. the insurance company has the jurisdiction over the trust fund of a life insurance.

depende kse sa pagmanage ng trust fund ang stability ng company. would you trust your money kung kani-kanino lang? (even CAP education plans is having some problems sabi ng tito ko, im not sure kung nawork out na nila) kung may milagrong mangyari sa trust fund, lipad din pera mo. so maghanap kayo ng company na stable and may pangalan.

[sadirmata]

anong masasabi niyo sa mlm na zibycom.com? OK bang mag-venture dito?

[Pogiii]

wow i didnt know there was a thread here at pex about this
anyone as old as me here? im 18

skybiz is allright now, the court ruled out the decision already
they juz changed their marketing plan
zibycom is just like skybiz(if not the same, they have one of the founders ata of skybiz)

i have joined almost all of these mlms, starting with skybiz then they were sued, then i joined forever and the others...but right now im with lifestyles, i see the marketing plan as the easiest and the product is also the best (dont flame me) *hides under table* LOL! haha

the second thing i would recommend is forever along with zibycom

If anyone is interested with Lifestyles and its products, id be glad to explain eveything to u...i gaurantee u that it wont be any scam or crap
0917-8940629
-Dennis

[pwe]

It feeds on gullible people hoping to find the easy way out.

If you can control this, then success will be on your side. But if you disagree with me, then your are one of those gullible ones--- don't be a victim. Stay away from it!!!!!

[tadeus]

...ey guys i've attended a MLM seminar and sorry to say esp to the Pro-MLM that Im NOT convinced...

...for me , Can a company reward you a Ferrari here in the Phils!? C'mon man...

...one thing is that when I ask a question to the speaker 'bout his ITR, he said that he don't need one 'coz their company pays them?!?!?...

...dunno man if the speaker is a newbie, don't know the answer or just covering something...

...ok you can earn that money if you work hard for it...

...an easy money is dirty money...

...one thing I will join them if I met or they a show proof that those guys with a brand new car and P100,000++/mon money that they indeed have it?...ITR?...

...btw im only just a guy looking for answers and proofs 'bout MLM. if offense were made, my apologogies...

[tadeus]

...one thing I hate 'bout MLM is the way they recruit...

...they show you cars, houses and big cash...

...y don't just they recruit them as a simple member or only a psy warfare...

[Pogiii]

hahaha
onga e

some companies go overboard into letting u see cars and houses
pero ako, naniwala ako dahil *** isang close friend ko naprove nya sakin so i joined instantly

so anung mlm seminar pinuntahan mo? about what?

[jazzy]

Originally posted by spicyham
sm1 invited me 4 prozinergy but my mom cautioned me with regards to trust funds.
may kinausap akong financial analyst ng metrobank and he said that the main difference with PRENEED PLAN (ex.prozinergy) and LIFE INSURANCE is that mas stable ang life insurance because life insurance is governed by the insurance commission which is a government body.


Maybe you should do your own research first. Trust Fund is governed by Securities And Exchange Commision(SEC) and Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas. This gov't bodies has the power on this funds.
:)

[EricGozar]

Well, nuthin' here to say with MLM in Pinas. Do it via the internet, all you spend is your time on your computer. Tried one program for a week and I earned $101 already. Not bad ha? And that was just one program! Now I am into various programs and earning $$ like crazy!

Interested? Maybe this link will help you:
http://geocities.com/ericgozar/mlmpage.html

Or send me an email: optin_list@ericgozar.mailshell.com so I could send you a text file directly to link you to it! Hurry! For a limited time only so that you could experience making money via the internet. No selling, no travelling, no learning - just join and it's all automatic! Easy? You bet!

[tadeus]

...jazzy...

...sorry about my rude behavior...

...but I just don't believe that you can earn that money in a little time with just P15,000(?) investment?!...

[DEATHWALK]

Originally posted by tadeus
...jazzy...

...sorry about my rude behavior...

...but I just don't believe that you can earn that money in a little time with just P15,000(?) investment?!...


i can testify to that.... lammo tadeus there are some opportunities that are too good to be true. You just have to analyze it very well. What jazzy is saying is really happening, in fact me myself earned in this company. Di naman mahirap paniwalaan ang isang bagay if you're just gonna be open minded.

Maybe the reason why r u like that is bcoz u had bad experiences about MLM but i tell u this. In any business there is risk. you just have to choose the best one and you must know the right way how to run the system. For sure you're going to be successful.

[tadeus]

...I do believe in a MLM products cuz it's natural but...

...well, one of so-called "multi-millionaire" in their "catalog" is a co-villager of mine. Indeed, I saw his/her (sorry don't want to mention identities) Pajero. Then after hearing the story about it, most of our villagers join MLM...

...but when you analyze the "multi-millionaire", They got a P1.6M Pajero(been there for months) in their garage and they can't even replace their 70's vintage rusted gate, have the roof painted or just have the house repaired first. The "catalog" stated that he/she earned a P100,000++/month, a million peso car and doesn't have a money to spend to repair their house?...:confused:

[jazzy]

Hehehehe. sino kaya yun? :glee:

baka naman bibili na sila ng bahay sa Dasmariñas Village. :idea:

[tadeus]

Originally posted by jazzy
Hehehehe. sino kaya yun? :glee:

baka naman bibili na sila ng bahay sa Dasmariñas Village. :idea:

...that is do not know...:nope::)

[sadirmata]

Originally posted by Pogiii
the second thing i would recommend is forever along with zibycom

If anyone is interested with Lifestyles and its products, id be glad to explain eveything to u...i gaurantee u that it wont be any scam or crap
0917-8940629
-Dennis

forever... yung Forever Living products ba ang tinutukoy mo? believe din ako sa FLP kasi i have friends na talagang malaki na ang monthly ay tinatanggap and some have their own cars na nga rin. parang gusto ko na nga ring sumali, kaso limited oras ko dahil sa trabaho ko.

yang Lifestyles, pls provide more info naman, wala bang website?

[dreyes]

Sadirmata,
website ng Lifestyles ay www.lifestyles.net. Okey ang produkto proven na effective. Dalawa na ang office sa Phil, isa sa Greenhills at sa Tarlac. Plano pa atang magbukas sa Cebu. If your interested for more info. e-mail me a dennisbreyes@yahoo.com

[Pogiii]

Originally posted by dreyes
Sadirmata,
website ng Lifestyles ay www.lifestyles.net. Okey ang produkto proven na effective. Dalawa na ang office sa Phil, isa sa Greenhills at sa Tarlac. Plano pa atang magbukas sa Cebu. If your interested for more info. e-mail me a dennisbreyes@yahoo.com


LoL

naunahan ako a
kawawa naman ako hehehe

basta trust the product
its great

and its 3 offices
alabang office just opened din

[racho]

I'm part of a start-up Network Marketing company.

I have to say that Network Marketing is inevitable. Malaysia is now in the top 3 countries of Asia, and it is not even a part of APEC. Kasi nininetwork nila lahat ng mga produkto doon.

Maski gulay (vegetables) nininetwork!

The government itself sponsors. It is their fight against poverty.


How many of you have seen Harry Potter or will see Lord of the Rings? If you refer your friend and he watches it, who makes money? The cinema. Do you make money? You basically closed the sale for the company and they didn't pay you a single cent.

That's essentially how Network Marketing works.


As for myself:

I really believe in the product that I am using (which is why I got multiple businesses from the same company.)

I am not afraid to say that what I am doing is Network Marketing.

If anyone is interested in what I have to offer, please contact me.

It may or may not be for you, but it is worth considering.
(How much more ethical can one get...)

6400aday@GetResponse.com


David Racho

[EricGozar]

Hi Everyone, - Just excited to ask all of you to join my mailing list;
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or post your ADS to my Free Classified Ad page:
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The site is for serious mlm'ers. Contrary to a lot of skeptics, the programs are real and the hosts really pays. So much so that so many companies are into it big time. See for yourself by trying out one like "Nitroclicks" which pays around $12/day.

Remember the "letter" that was posted sometime here in PEX? I tried it and it is really working and is paying. He, he, he! The internet money machines are here to stay.

=========================================
Discover how internet money-making machines are crawling the entire internet! Web crawlers, viral crawlers, banner exchangers, traffic multipliers and all the multi-level marketing and downline building are making everyone a possible prospect client of some sort.

These companies make a lot of money through these programs and is predicted to stay for a long time. Email marketing will be "passe" in the future and "web crawlers" & "viral traffic creators" will be the in thing on the internet. Large corporations are into it, because of the anticipated income in billions of US$ due to the fact that 170,000 internet addresses are being created EVERYDAY yes, Everyday!! That is 62,050,000 a year, and that is a lot of clients!

Internet marketing is here to stay! Would you like to be left out?

[racho]

This is what I believe is the most powerful technique for building a business today. It is also the single best way for hard-working people to translate their effort into equity, their toil into treasure. The technique I'm talking about has allowed me and an associate to build a company that now does over $25 million in annual sales. And we did it with:

No Employees
No accounts receivable
No accounts payable
No overhead and
Very little inventory.

Now, I realize that this may sound too good to be true. Some people say that. But is that any reason to stop looking at this technique - just because the upside is so good? I don't think so.

If you are interested in starting a business like mine, I suggest you do more than read this article. Study it. Write in the margins. Think about it. Because it just might be the pivot that turns your life in a new direction.

Why do so many people in our economy work so hard, yet still never manage to accumulate wealth? Because they lack the one thing that makes it possible to turn work into wealth: leverage. We're not really taught how to get leverage in our society. We're trained to go get a good education, build a résumé and exchange our time and effort for someone else's dollars.

The problem with this model is that whenever we're not out working, we're not making any money. That means vacation time is costly, a walk around the golf course is costly, family time (although extremely important) is costly. Your time isn't really your own - you have to buy every moment of freedom by sacrificing wealth. Through leverage, you can break out of this time-for-money model. One form of leverage is investing. Say you had $5 million invested at 10 percent interest. That would yield you about $41,000 a month in income. So, whether you're enjoying family time, playing golf, or vacationing, you'd still be earning $41,000 a month. That's a type of leverage everyone would love, but few have.

Turning Work into Wealth


Let me explain another kind of leverage that's available to everyone - including you. Imagine, if you will, that you owned a company, and you employed just one person - me. I work for eight hours on Monday. You work for the same eight hours on Monday that I do. Now, listen closely. You get paid on 16 hours worth of work because you take a portion of my productivity, which is worth more than what you're paying me. You're leveraging my efforts because I'm your employee. So theoretically, the more employees you have working for you, the more leverage you have - right?

You might not say that if you have ever had employees.

In theory, hiring employees and delegating much of the work to them sounds great. But in fact, it's very difficult to attain leverage through employees. There's a reason for this: No employee will ever work as hard for your company as you will. Because he doesn't own it. As soon as the boss walks out of the office - it's time to throw the feet up and make long-distance phone calls. When the employee goes to the supply cabinet for just one pen, he's tempted to loot the place. He will typically do things the easy - and more expensive - way, rather than take extra trouble to help you make more money. But what can you do?

To gain true leverage, you must create a situation in which everyone has the same amount to gain.

Let me give you an example of this type of leverage. Let's say that I'm a real estate broker and I hire you as an agent.

You go out and sell a building. You earn a percentage of the selling price of the building. As the broker, I get a percentage of your sale, too, since I paid for the advertising, set up the office and probably trained you, too.

But you don't work for me as an employee - you're an independent contractor. You just hang your real estate license on my wall. In this case, the broker and the agent each have something to gain from every sale. It's in your interest to earn more money for yourself and for me, the broker. Now I have leverage.

But as my agent, you don't have leverage. As broker, I can have multiple agents, but my agents can't have agents - so they're still trading time for money. But then the moment arrives that most brokers like me dread. You leave, to become your own broker and get leverage of your own. Is this good for me? No! Because as soon as you become a broker, bad things happen to me:

First, you break away from me, and I lose you as an income source. Second - and even worse - you're now my competitor, whom I have trained. You know all my good stuff.

By the way, this doesn't just happen in the real estate industry. This happens in practically every industry. Have you ever heard the expression, "I'm just going to work there for experience"? What does that really mean?

It means, "I'm going to strip them of their knowledge and then go do it myself." If I am a business owner, how many people have I trained who are no longer working for me? How many people have I trained to be my competitors?

Well, this gets worse. Let's go back to the real estate example. Let's say that you, my former agent, are setting up as a broker right down the street from me. What will you do next?

Personal time is costly for salaried employees. They only earn while they're working.


Aggressive Fairness

You'll go out and hire your own agents. They'll compete with me too. Then some of them will split off from you, become brokers and hire agents - and compete with both of us. All of these agents competing with me are people I have trained, directly or indirectly. So maybe I shouldn't hire or train anyone, you might think.

Wrong. Instead of becoming defensive, why not try a paradigm shift? Here's where this becomes brilliant. Let's say that instead of hiring you or trying to keep you as an agent, I'm going to empower you to become a broker - in fact, I want you to become a broker as soon as possible and to sponsor your own agents. So from day one, I'm going to help you become a broker.


Why would I encourage you to do this? Because in this new situation, I have an incentive: let's now suppose that I earn a percentage of what you and your agents sell. That's fair, isn't it? I trained you, I put up the risk capital to start you in the business, and so on. The percentage I earn from you and your organization should be a lot smaller than when you were just my agent, but I should still earn a percentage. That's my incentive to keep working with you.

And you will keep working with me. I will have managed to retain a leader, by providing you with the same opportunity for growth that I have. Hence, this is an opportunity where everyone involved stands to gain.

Now all this makes sense, but it also makes some people uncomfortable. Just about now, some of you may be saying to yourself, "Oh no, isn't this one of those pyramid schemes?"

We all know what's wrong with pyramid schemes - the people at the top make all the money, and the people down below do all the work.

When you think about it, isn't this true of every corporate structure - that the fat cats at the top make much more than the mass of employees below them? In fact, the conventional corporate structure is something of a pyramid scheme: People at the top make the big salaries and stock options, and the people at the bottom of the pyramid don't.

The executives of any corporation earn off the productivity of (and get leverage from) everyone beneath them, whether or not they recruited them, or one of their employees recruited them.

In the business model that I'm calling "brilliant," you - the individual - have the same leverage as any corporate CEO. You can earn from the efforts of the people below you, and from the efforts of the people they recruit, for several generations. This model is called network marketing, "multi-level marketing," or MLM.

Remember when I said that to reach true leverage you must create a situation where everyone has something to gain? Well, that's what I've just described. That's what makes the network marketing structure the most fair arrangement in business today. In most network marketing companies, everyone can draw revenue from a certain number of levels below him in the organization he's built - sometime four, sometimes six generations down.

So if I built an organization that was more productive than that of the people above me, then I would earn more money than anyone else - including my sponsors, or what network marketing pros call my "upline."

In fact, there are people in my own organization - or "downline" - right now who earn more money than I do. Do you know what that's called? Fair. Shouldn't it be that way? In any structure, shouldn't the most productive person make the most money? What does a nice résumé or years of seniority have to do with productivity? You don't normally find a person on the 5th level of a corporation earning more money than people at the top. But in network marketing, it happens all the time.

Network marketing is now an $80-billion industry - and still growing.

Precisely because of this aggressive fairness, major corporations have recognized network marketing's power and have begun to distribute some of their products and services through network marketing channels. These companies include, but are not limited to, Gillette, Colgate, Citibank, MCI, IBM, Toyota, Xerox, Texas Instruments, General Motors, General Electric, and Coca-Cola. These companies are smart to include network marketing as one of their channels. In fact, an estimated 30 percent of AT&T's long distance service has been taken because of network marketing activity.

In 1992, 200,000 new people became MLM distributors. In 1993, that shot up to 600,000. In 1994, it was 900,000 - and in 1995, 1,300,000 new people joined this industry. In 1996, it was estimated that $80 billion in goods and services moved through network marketing channels.

Wealth is hidden to those who must do it all themselves. Wealth reveals itself to those who are willing to train others.

You Build It, They'll Come

You may be asking yourself "How would I go about finding my own brokers and agents?" In the same places you'd look if you were starting any other kind of business. If you needed an assistant, a salesman or a board member for any new company, where would you go to find him?

You'd go to people you've worked with in the past, maybe family members, or people who you went to school with. I came into this industry by answering an ad in the newspaper. But if a friend of mine had called me, I would have gladly built my business within his company. Because it doesn't matter to me where I build my company.


In network marketing, every participant is distributing goods or services directly from the supplier - with no jobbers, wholesalers, supermarket chains or middlemen taking a cut, and no money spent on advertising. Network marketing companies turn much more of their revenue into profits - which are therefore avaliable to be shared among you and your downline. The system is brilliant because it cuts all the fat out of the distribution process - and turns it into gravy for you and yours.

The network marketing company's staff deals with employees, inventory, manufacturing, warehousing, pricing, packaging, shipping, R&D, catalogues, brochures, quality control, accounting, government relations, and payroll. We, the distributors, are free to sell and build.

So why does this work so effectively? Because the best person to market a product or service is a satisfied customer. Such customers create "word of mouth" or "buzz" about a product.

It happens all the time. You sit down to dinner at a restaurant one of your colleagues recommended - that's word-of-mouth marketing. One of your buddies notices your new watch, and asks about it. You tell him - thereby marketing a product. Your friend's wife takes out a nifty new cellular phone. You ask about it; she sings its praises - again, marketing a product. And so on.

All day, every day, we sell products to each other - except we don't get paid for it. Network marketing is a way to harness this natural process for profit and financial freedom.

The final element is trust. You're more likely to take the recommendation of someone you know and trust over the word of some actor in a TV commercial. And your friends will probably listen to you with that same level of trust.

Through network marketing, you can put that trust to work, by sharing good products and a great opportunity with friends and family. No other form of marketing even comes close to that kind of power.

I wish you the best of luck in building your dreams.


You could be at the beginning of a start up network marketing company. The grand launch will be in January of 2002.


6400aday@GetResponse.com

[rosychik]

If you've heard about Forever Living, Herbalife, Amway... then those are MLM or multi-level marketing companies.

What do you know about MLM? Will u try this business for yourself (or are involved in one, now)?

Or like other people, will u avoid it like the plague?

Share ur views.

[honey20]

mlm is like networking right? for me the concept of multi level marketing is like this: the person who invited you ("upline" is the term) will be the first one who earns. if you ("downline") don't work at all, nothing will happen to you. but your upline already earned from you.

if you are interested, be very, very smart in choosing the company. based from experience i was a victim of 2 mlm's company....most of the mlm here in the phil. is a scam.... actually, there's no harm in trying. right now, i'm into another company but this time it's really business. it is somehow related to mlm but it has different concept. actually, there are a lot of concepts involved. and in my case, i guess i finally found (parang song ha?) the right business for me.

[CLaiRe_ChiLL]

hhmmm so what were the two mlm's you once joined honey20? what are your experiences doon? grabe parang ang sayang naman ng perang ininvest mo....

[b_9904]

Originally posted by honey20
mlm is like networking right? for me the concept of multi level marketing is like this: the person who invited you ("upline" is the term) will be the first one who earns. if you ("downline") don't work at all, nothing will happen to you. but your upline already earned from you.

if you are interested, be very, very smart in choosing the company. based from experience i was a victim of 2 mlm's company....most of the mlm here in the phil. is a scam.... actually, there's no harm in trying. right now, i'm into another company but this time it's really business. it is somehow related to mlm but it has different concept. actually, there are a lot of concepts involved. and in my case, i guess i finally found (parang song ha?) the right business for me.

OMG, hangang ngayon.........

Misconceptions....

grabe i think we should just stop replying here unless you are well informed, no offense.

In MLM unless you work really really really hard and unless you really really really desperately need to become successful in MLM/Networking then you will never ever be succesful in MLM.

YES, your uplines DESERVE to earn from you.... she just kicked her a$$ off just to open your mind, invite you to the seminars, etc. she has already worked.... GOD! when will people realize in MLM when you join your upline he or she already done her part.

Remeber in MLM the most industrious and patient, include perserverance and hardwork, nerve of steel and No bull$**** attitude, will win the day. As opposed to non-MLM business.

[settelee]

i was also a victim of MLM, nakuha nila ang P 5,600 ko.
ang company ay NET-IOL.
the site is www.NET-IOL.com, now unreachable.
sabi ng ang iba "there's no harm in trying" ...thats my first lesson.

So i prefer a FREE membership program!!!

Visit

http://kuwarta.tripod.com

for FREE TUTORIAL/LESSONS ABOUT MLM/NETWORKING


"LET YOUR COMPUTER TO WORK FOR YOU"

[b_9904]

BEWARE of free membership MLM companies.

i'm trying to discourage you or anything like that but in my experience most MLM companies that is FLY BY NIGHT are FREE.

Sorry to hear that you have been victimized by a FLY BY NIGHT COmpany but you should have known better than jump into the band wagon and blame the industry.

for more INFORMED INFO i suggest you follow the threads up for BETTER REFERENCES

1 book that i've read that is good, credible, and the author is the ATENEAN PROF.

"build, grow, and susutain your" Network Marketing by JOSIA GO

[jbalmeo]

And yes,nasubukan ko na yung isa tungkol sa gold.... and hindi ko nakumpleto yung 5 on d left and 5 on d right ko...
pero wats good about it na cancell ko siya dahil may money back guarantee... nakuha ko yung 2 half 0z gold coins at naibenta ko kaya nga lang nalugi pa rin ako compared sa
registration ko na USD340 x 2....

But guess *** i learned so now i'm into one.... and i'll be soon earning 29K monthly and that's passive referring...
and the best thing about it they put your downlines.... so u just have to wait.....pag gusto mong doblehin 58K then you need to actively refer!!!!----- another best thing about its services and not products......

[misbee]

i was almost recruited by my cousin into WMA which i believe practices MLM strategies. i did my own research about the company and found out some not so good things so i decided to back off.

be careful with this kind of schemes 'coz most of the time they are just too good to be true. be wary of sales pitches. do your research before you get into this kind of things.

[Kace]

Originally posted by jbalmeo
----- another best thing about its services and not products......

this comment got my attention. Why would you consider it to be the "best thing" if products are not concerned or involved in the business?

[b_9904]

Originally posted by Kace


this comment got my attention. Why would you consider it to be the "best thing" if products are not concerned or involved in the business?

BUT there are services..... in MLM you earn by reffering the product or service offered by the company in which people buy or avail of the service offered. i think the guy is safe from anything negative for now..... i have no idea about the company background but if you'll scroll up to the other pages you'll find very informative posts and replies by our fellow pexers with experience in MLM.

[KuHRant^21]

Originally posted by Kace


this comment got my attention. Why would you consider it to be the "best thing" if products are not concerned or involved in the business?

Actually, having a product (especially a consumable one) is very important for the continued growth and stability of the company and the residual income of its distributors.

regarding a service-based MLM:

If you're the last person to join the company, will you be able to resell your service in order to (partially) gain back your investment?

Will you still make money even if you don't sponsor anyone?

These could be done if you had a product.

[zimdude]

:wave: hey KuHRant^21, business guru! :D



yeah, good question. I think a fundamental point of MLM is that there is something tangible and countable (e.g. x units of goods). well, it could be a commodity service naman, but I can't think of any at the moment... so what is this service MLM? :confused:



hmm about the gold stuff, that really smells fishy... why would people want to keep gold? is that for jewelry... or gold as a financial instrument... aba securities trading na yan!! :glee:

[KuHRant^21]

Do you really want a lucrative MLM business? go to www.trevoca.com (http://www.trevoca.com) and study it. If you don't see any value in it, well..that's just too bad.

Hey zimdude! pare, when do you plan to have another book sale? medyo nabitin tayo the last time! :D

[Kace]

Most people in the world have jobs and professions - existances if you will, - that can fulfill their potential. The scope of their labor is confined to narrow limits; their toil hinders rather than fosters their growth; they dislike everything about their employment except the sense of security its familiarity has bred in them. So instead of venturing into what they don't know and might love, they allow themselves to be trapped by what they do know and don't like.

[zimdude]

Kace:

True, but then again not everyone is meant to be an entrepreneur or a salesperson. I'm definitely not a salesperson. :D



KuHRant^21:

Say hello to Dave Q for me, hehe.

About the booksale, yeah we're sure to have another one, just need to plan.



Plugging lang, if you're free the night of Feb 22, we have the PEx Business Club (http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=10698) meeting. Only legitimate MLM businesses allowed! :laugh:

[crazy_fool_22]

hello! :wave: napadaan lang....
hey KuHRant^21 ! hehehe! business guru ka na pala dito!! keep it up!! :)

[Sira-Ulo]

Narinig nyo na ba ang tungkol sa zibycom????? ok pa ito, website nila ay www.zibycom.com, kasi may friend ako na gusto nya akong isali, ito yun site nya http://www.cagayanet.zibycom.com...

[zimdude]

zibycom - online training using a website?
that won't work with our Internet connection speeds here.
and for $199/year? real-life local training costs much less.

:confused:

[w4nd3r3r]

If you guys really don't like MLM, why don't you go into a different company. MLM is not the only marketing plan used by networking companies. What I don't like about MLM is that you personally have to get a lot of people.

I'm into a networking company and it's marketing plan doesn't require you to know a lot of people, just that you know a couple of people and they know a couple of other people. Anyone interested can just email me. :)

[b_9904]

Originally posted by w4nd3r3r
If you guys really don't like MLM, why don't you go into a different company. MLM is not the only marketing plan used by networking companies. What I don't like about MLM is that you personally have to get a lot of people.

I'm into a networking company and it's marketing plan doesn't require you to know a lot of people, just that you know a couple of people and they know a couple of other people. Anyone interested can just email me. :)

another one falls for the trap!

kahit saang MLM co you need people irregardless kung madami o konti! it is how you utilize the man power dude.

the good side in mlm if you dont know a lot of people you can get tips on how to persuade people who dont know you to join and actually force you to find NEW friends to eventually offer the business but NOT by force. if they reject you gain a friend if they accept you gain a business partner.

[digital_potato]

hi! in my own opinion, i really do think na MLM can work wonders. you really just have to choose the company well. i read one post here (forgot the nick) na choose the company na matagal ng existing. stability wise. tsaka you have to devise your own marketing strategy. choose the people who you will work with.

tsaka i think MLM is a good way to meet new people and gain new friends. :D

[sexygoon]

Sa tingin ko ok naman ang MLM. Nag try ako, 1 month pa lang ako. Although di pa ko kumikita ng ganong kalaki alam ko SIPAG at TIYAGA lang ang katapat nian.

Effective yung mga products at talagang di ka mapapahiya. Hindi rin mabigat ang mga presyo. Yung nga ang maganda di mo na kailangang gumastos ng malaki, matutulungan kapa. Mura din ang membership. 500.00 may business ka na.

So sa mga interested just contact my cell 09192388444 or 9194550011 look for Raymond or just text me, OK.

[tadeus]

...halos lahat naman ng nagsasabing ok ang MLM ay kasali doon or giving their contact nos. to recruit others.

...right?!

[b_9904]

Originally posted by tadeus
...halos lahat naman ng nagsasabing ok ang MLM ay kasali doon or giving their contact nos. to recruit others.

...right?!

hahaha... ako lang ang hindi. pero once i did the mistake of giving it out though pero in the AD forum

[superb]

sexygoon:

i think we have the same business... go for it... you'll do good... i have a high position already there in 6 months of work...

tip: try to "kidnap" some members of our competitors. you'll do good... it's my style... good luck!!!

anybody in Cavite area wanna join? PM me about it... i have a service center for y'all to vibe with...

[sexygoon]

SUPERB:
GRABEEEEEE ANG DAMI NG NAGLIPATAN SA TIN. *** IBANG BALIW MAS LALONG NABALIW. LALO NA NUNG NALAMAN NILA MARKETING PLAN NATIN.GRABEE.

MARAMI RIN NABALIW SA MGA PRODUCT NATIN, GRABEE!! MADAMI NA RIN AKONG MGA REGULAR COSTUMER KASI MABILIS NILANG NAKIKITA ANG REACTION AT EFFECTIVE TALAGA.

KUHA MO BA PM KO SA YO?

[Strange_Dejavu]

sexygoon mag tatayo daw ng STARBUCKS at SEATTLE'S BEST COFFEE jan sa may POEA ha?..................

LAGOOOOOOOOT!

:D

[spicyham]

as of my last post, hindi regulated lahat ng preneed na company, kaya nga nagkamove to regulate it (read the papers) by specifying a lower limit na capitalization

ang SEC more on list list register mo company mo dun, that's where we do our research sa mga financial reports ng company, DEFINITELY WALA sila power regarding the judicious investment of funds,

and regarding trust funds, ang company ang may discretion mag invest ng trust funds, (kaya nga kadalasan may investment arm pag preneed plan or insurance company)
HINDI bangko sentral ng pilipinas anu-pwera na lang kung ideposit nila yun sa bsp, otherwise walang magagawa ang bangko sentral ng pilipinas kung palpak mga investment/hindi magyield ng enough to satisfy ridiculously high promises of returns, familiar ka ba sa manulife? example ng bumagsak na preneed company

i asked kasi my facts from my father's friend who owns an insurance company and has an MBA from the states AND a bachelor of laws degree from up, kaya she really knows what shes talking about, business side and legalities-wise

[edselmartinez]

for those who are interested...I can get you in our company for FREE. Just pm me so I can send the details to you by mail. there is no harm in trying because this is risk free. income potential is 3000 to 40,000 per day. Who woudn't want this offer? Hurry and pm me now!!!

people are always complaining about the fees mlm companies are requiring before they can start the biz...this may be the answer to your prayers...;)

[edselmartinez]

watch ***KAYA MONG MAGING MILLIONAIRE*** every Saturday at 12mn and every Sunday at 2:00pm, channel 13. Think about it, baka ito na ang sagot sa mga pangarap nyo...pm me for details. ;)

[Strange_Dejavu]

SEC warns public
on Powerhomes
Posted: 2:14 AM (Manila Time) | Feb. 09, 2002
By Elena R. Torrijos
Inquirer News Service

THE SECURITIES and Exchange Commission has reiterated its warning to the public against dealing with real estate network firm Powerhomes Ltd.

SEC compliance and enforcement director Tomas Syquia told reporters there remained a pending case at the Court of Appeals on a cease-and-desist order that the SEC issued last year against Powerhomes for allegedly dealing in unregistered investment contracts.


The court issued an injunction preventing the execution of the cease-and-desist order but the SEC has asked that this be lifted.

"We are reiterating to the public there is a case pending against Powerhomes and that it is true CREBA (Chamber of Real Estate and Builders Association) has suspended membership of Powerhomes, and reason for suspension is engaging in pyramiding scheme," Syquia said.

"Any news coming from them that it's finished and done with is not true because there's an ongoing case," Syquia stressed.

http://www.inq7.net/brk/2002/feb/09/brkbus_1-1.htm

just something i got from the net... i thought it might be useful.

peace!:D

[alvinex]

Hello all,

In my opinion, the best type of business is a formidable and effective combination of both the strengths of traditional business and MLM business, while learning from history and covering their inherent weaknesses.

Basically, it must be able to give free membership (no fees to be a seller), wherein a seller is not required to buy products of the company as a membership fee. Yes, their products are a necessity, products people are already buying actually, that's why the company has been in business for years now.

This strategy has made this internet home business, the largest currently (over 1 million sellers). I'll make it short by presenting proof of my "scanned checks" delivered to my address here in Las Pinas, Philippines (yes, they deliver to our country). My scanned checks are at http://yourdecision.20m.com

My summary of the business and contact info is also there.

As final note, I believe we will be seeing more of this trend, as more traditional companies, corporations adapt and mix strategies from MLM (and vice-versa), resulting in more "hybrid" forms of business. If we learn from history, we can make business models better over time...

Any business that has products that people will buy, even without any income opportunity, and have competitive prices shall succeed.

GOD Bless,

Alex C

"Souls who spread the honor of my mercy, I will shield their entire life as a tender mother her infant; and at the hour of death, I will not be a judge for them but the merciful Savior." - Divine Mercy Message of Jesus

[edselmartinez]

Originally posted by Strange_Dejavu
SEC warns public
on Powerhomes
Posted: 2:14 AM (Manila Time) | Feb. 09, 2002
By Elena R. Torrijos
Inquirer News Service

THE SECURITIES and Exchange Commission has reiterated its warning to the public against dealing with real estate network firm Powerhomes Ltd.

SEC compliance and enforcement director Tomas Syquia told reporters there remained a pending case at the Court of Appeals on a cease-and-desist order that the SEC issued last year against Powerhomes for allegedly dealing in unregistered investment contracts.


The court issued an injunction preventing the execution of the cease-and-desist order but the SEC has asked that this be lifted.

"We are reiterating to the public there is a case pending against Powerhomes and that it is true CREBA (Chamber of Real Estate and Builders Association) has suspended membership of Powerhomes, and reason for suspension is engaging in pyramiding scheme," Syquia said.

"Any news coming from them that it's finished and done with is not true because there's an ongoing case," Syquia stressed.

http://www.inq7.net/brk/2002/feb/09/brkbus_1-1.htm

just something i got from the net... i thought it might be useful.

peace!:D

3rd paragraph please---

"The court issued an injunction preventing the execution of the cease-and-desist order but the SEC has asked that this be lifted."

---this simply means that the Court of Appeals doesn't find anything wrong about powerhomes and should not be hindered in pursuing their business. The SEC tried to pursue with the case but they already lost 3 times, hence, the company grows stronger than ever. A letter of appology from the director of SEC Davao was sent to us afterwards because, maybe, he realized that there is nothing illegal about PH.---

copies of the documents concerning this issue is available to anybody upon request...

it's up to you... all i know is a lot of people are already enjoying the benefits of PH...
;)

[Leeloo]

anybody who has had any negative experience with or has any useful information about power homes? please pm me. :)

[mdupet]

I'm going to start an FLP thread soon....i'll give the details of the marketing plan....wait for it...

[manoyfrancis]

networking companies claim that it is only here in the philippines that it got a bad reputation. i don't believe in them.

here are some helpful sites that can give info and a headstart if you wish to be in a MLM (multi-level marketing) / networking enterprise:


FTC Consumer EducationPublications: Get-Rich-Quick Schemes (http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/getrich/index.html)
Get Rich Quick Schemes Exposed! (http://www.newvimall.com/getrich.htm)
Get-Rich-Quick Scams (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/03/rich.htm)
MLM (Multi-Level Marketing) (http://www.lawpublish.com/mlm.html)
How To Evaluate a Network Marketing (MLM) (http://home.earthlink.net/~beand/mlm/planeval.htm)

[stunning_me]

wow! nice thread in here huh! i browse and read through all the pages of the discussion re mlm before i go to aim for another networking seminar. i'm still in the learning stage at N21. I'm just still in the stage of satisfying my curiosity that's why i'm checking this out. anyway, those who invited me are really credible people naman that i really respect.

anyone from N21 here, would you like to encourage me more by stating the facts that sometimes i couldn't ask straight to the person whom invited me? thanks!

[hello_pain]

pasensya na pero i havent got the time to read posts here but i need to ask some questions.

see my gf and i are about to join a "networking" company. what do you think of the networking company e-cards? do you think it is legiitmate? what are their products? to e-cards member ok ba jan?

to all who will give an answer to my questions, thank you in advance.:)

[erikaque]

hi i'm with mlm also... prudential life ang company and mas madali kumita kasi walang pairing and money back guarantee...... i'm doing this very part time ksi busy sa school.. pero kahit na ganun okay pa rin ang kitaan =)